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WildeSau
12-19-2004, 10:57 AM
I have heard of different typs of ships of which I dont know what they are exactly for and what the difference between them is:

- Battleship
- Cruiser
- Frigate

Can someone tell me the difference between these ships.

Thanks

Michael the WildeSau

Tater-SW-
12-19-2004, 11:50 AM
"Explain naval warfare. Be brief"

lol

tater

WildeSau
12-19-2004, 11:51 AM
if you are not able to explain, then why writte an answer which is not constructive in any way?

BTW: I never said "be brief".

VMF223_Smitty
12-19-2004, 12:00 PM
Wildesau -
You might want to check out these sites. Quite comphrensive and I have others if you need more information.

Naval War in the Pacific 1941-1945 (http://pacific.valka.cz/index.htm)

The Dictionary of American Fighting Ships (http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/)

Other countries sometimes have different qualifications for their ships and different protocol for naming them.

Too bad that you can't get a straight answer to a serious question sometimes. Everyone's a comedian.

Soapy_112th
12-19-2004, 12:03 PM
You can find the definitons in this article :

http://www.wwiitechpubs.info/dock/nv-ship-types/nv-ship-types-ftr.html

ie For Battleship <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> capital ship is defined in the 1922 Washington Treaty as:

€œA surface vessel of war, the standard displacement of which exceeds 10,000 tons (10,160 metric tons) or with a gun above 8 inches (203 mm) in calibre.€

In the 1922 Washington Treaty it was agreed that no ships with a standard displacement of over 35,000 tons would be built, no ships fitted with guns in excess of 14 inches, and no secondary guns fitted in excess of 6 inches, however this treaty lapsed shortly before the start of the Second World War. In addition, some existing ships that displaced more than 35,000 tons were permitted to be retained.

The broad definition of a capital ship includes many types of warship (including battleships, battle cruisers, pocket battleships and monitors). The term €˜battleship€ applies to conventional capital ships, intended to fight other ships at sea, well armed, heavily armoured and relatively slow (typically with a speed of between 25 and 30 knots). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tully__
12-19-2004, 12:10 PM
Battleship: Largest of the gunships and heavily armoured. In world war 2 they typically were equipped with between 6 and 12 main guns in the 10-16 inch caliber range, with a variety of smaller armaments ranging from 8 inches down to .50 & .30 calibre machine guns.

Cruiser: Armanents very close to that fitted on a smaller battleship, but with much lighter armour, the cruiser was more vulnerable to enemy fire but faster and more manouverable than the battleship.

Destroyer: Small & fast but lightly armed/armoured. The main armament would be in the order of 2 - 6 guns of 5 - 8 inches. Amour was in most cases not sufficient to stop much more than 20mm cannon.

Frigate: According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate) the term "frigate" passed out of use with the early steamships and wasn't re-introduced until after world war 2. At the time of its re-introduction the term was applied to the vessels that had been known during the war as escort destroyers. These were cheaper destroyers that aren't as fast as the "full" destroyers and were commisioned to escort commercial shipping & hunt subs. The full destroyers had to be a good 10 knots or more faster to keep up with the capital ships (battleships, cruisers & carriers).

Disclaimer: As my knowledge of naval terms is very slim, someone is bound to correct me or add to these definitions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

RocketDog
12-19-2004, 12:12 PM
As I understand it:

- Battleship
The heaviest class of gun-armed warship. No longer used because of their vulnerability to aircraft and subs, but before WWII regarded as the most powerful ships in a navy. Designed to slug it out and win with any opponent, and so heavily armoured as well as heavily armed. Disadvantages were great size, massive cost, modest speed and vulnerability to aircraft. The great surprise of WWII was how useless battleships actually turned out to be when faced with aircraft carriers. Examples include the Turpitz.


- Cruiser
A smaller vessel than a battleship. The armament was still heavy, but armour was traded for high speed. The idea was that a cruiser could outgun any smaller vessel and run from a bigger one. Cruisers made excellent commerce raiders. Cruisers were at a significant disadvantage when facing battleships.

- Frigate
A small vessel, but larger than a destroyer. Fast, but lightly armed. In WWII, these turned out to be very useful ships.

Regards,

RocketDog.

EDIT - Tully beat me to it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tully__
12-19-2004, 12:17 PM
An additional disclaimer: Just like the difference between Machine Gun & Cannon, the definitions will vary somewhat depending on which navy you ask.

WildeSau
12-19-2004, 12:42 PM
thank you all guys - you proofed that a short but informative answer is possible.

WildeSau

VMF223_Smitty
12-19-2004, 03:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildeSau:
thank you all guys - you proofed that a short but informative answer is possible.

WildeSau <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Latico
12-19-2004, 03:33 PM
US battle ships were used allot as offshore artilery platform in the bombardment of beachheads prior to amphibious landings. They could also be called on for close ground support. They were use primarily for this purpose during the Korean Conflict and later when Lybia was being a snot.

Fliger747
12-20-2004, 08:08 PM
And of course 'Carriers' carried airplanes and were able to launch and recover them. The Japanese had some 'Hybrid' Battleships which were fitted with half of a flight deck aft. There were (generally) CV's, (Fleet carriers), CVL's (light fleet carriers built on crusier hulls) and CVE's (built on merchant or equivilent hulls). Japanese useage varied a bit, but more or less had similar types.

J30Vader
12-20-2004, 11:22 PM
The sinking of the HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Repulse proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that warships were vulnerable to aircraft.

Up until that time, no capital ship was sunk by aircraft while under way.

My definations: (WW2 only)

BB: Carried the most armor and guns from 12" to 18.1", 14" being the most common. many WW1 era ships were modernized and served.

BC: Battlecruiser. Armed like the above but armored like a cruiser. The brainchild of Lord Jackie Fisher, the idea was to outrun what they couldn't outfight, and viceversa. Great for running down cruisers, as at the Battle of the Falklands, they were showed how flawed they were at Jutland. Examples would be HMS Hood, SMS Scharnhorst, and IJN Kirishima.

CA: Fast and fairly armored, the standard weapon was the 8" gun. An oddball ship was the German Pocket Battleship. A CA with 6x11" guns.

Then you have the CL, DD, DE. I think a frigate and destroyer escort are roughly the same.