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BSS_Goat
03-08-2005, 08:39 AM
When your on the runway and you max out one engine, leaving the other at idle, the torque will swing the nose around. Is this possible in flight to help in a turn? If I was at home I would try it but I'm working(very hard I might add)

TgD Thunderbolt56
03-08-2005, 08:49 AM
Yes it is possible. I know of one particular pilot who flies the P-38 ANY chance he gets and has his prop pitch on a rotary and adjust it during battle to encourage his lightning to turn more quickly. To good effectiveness i might add, but it's not for the weak of heart nor the ones who simply want to fly and fight. It takes perseverence, practice and a good understanding of aerodynamics.

I'll also add that the engine torque in the P-38 is modelled incorrectly (as has been stated before in these forums) so, take it with a grain of salt.


TB

Platypus_1.JaVA
03-08-2005, 08:59 AM
That's not torque, that is just diffrential thrust. It will probably help you in a turn but, do you really want to cut the power back on one engine? I prefer all the power I can get.

BSS_Goat
03-08-2005, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
That's not torque, that is just diffrential thrust. It will probably help you in a turn but, do you really want to cut the power back on one engine? I prefer all the power I can get. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, differential thrust.
If I'm caught low and slow I want every trick I can get.

VW-IceFire
03-08-2005, 09:37 AM
P-38 on combat flaps is a deadly low speed fighter. Last night I forced a few 109s to do a low speed fight with me and they lost...crashing into the ground.

Maybe not the best 109 pilots around but I did pretty well and I was out of options at that point. Going at 450kph in a shallow dive, not even a 109 can follow in a turn with a P-38 banking hard.

Trouble with the P-38 is its size. A few MK108s and you're toast.

TAGERT.
03-08-2005, 09:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
When your on the runway and you max out one engine, leaving the other at idle, the torque will swing the nose around. Is this possible in flight to help in a turn? If I was at home I would try it but I'm working(very hard I might add) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I wish IL2-PF supported multi thorttle settings.. ie seperate throttle per engine.. Then we could make use of some of the P38's tricks.. But as it stands now, IT IS DOABLE, but it would be a multi button nightmare managment to do it.

We really should requst Oleg to do this.. Would help alot with all multi eng planes. Are you with me? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT.
03-08-2005, 09:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Platypus_1.JaVA:
That's not torque, that is just diffrential thrust. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That induces a torque in the YAW axis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Daiichidoku
03-08-2005, 09:55 AM
just make the 38 props rotate in same direction as the 109Z, which seems to eliminate all the torque! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif



better yet, transplant the 109Z FM into the P 38 have done with it!

be a helluva lot more accurate 38 then IMHO

Blackdog5555
03-08-2005, 11:00 AM
That is funny Daiichidoku.. I noticed that too. If only Kelly Johnson could have stolen the Secret plans to the 190Z. //////
Ice-Fire whre you in the J or L?

Blackdog5555
03-08-2005, 11:30 AM
BTW..Engine torque helps you Roll with the torque but also keeps you from Rolling in the other direction. For example, the Zero had a serious torque problem. They only rolled in one direction well which was usful to those who could remember which direction... (ok, Zero rolled poorly in both directions but Really poorly in one) I cant remember which one and its not modeled in the game. An Old DOS game Reb Baron did a great job on modeling the torgue of the ole rotary engines. cheers. P38 had zero torque...not modeled either. LOL

bolillo_loco
03-08-2005, 02:16 PM
expecting results at this game would be similar to expecting god to appear infront of you and explain how women think.

p1ngu666
03-08-2005, 02:28 PM
i agree with daii http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

p1ngu666
03-08-2005, 02:33 PM
sigtest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

VW-IceFire
03-08-2005, 05:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Blackdog5555:
That is funny Daiichidoku.. I noticed that too. If only Kelly Johnson could have stolen the Secret plans to the 190Z. //////
Ice-Fire whre you in the J or L? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Was flying a J with 25% fuel...which is all you need really.

Bull_dog_
03-08-2005, 05:24 PM
There is a side of me that thinks there is something coded wrong with the lightning...in that I mean that one engine has more horsepower than the other.

I say this because in WW view with the circle gunsite you can see the little landing aid circle off to one side...that is a sign of torque. Fly some other twins and you'll find the circle is perfectly centered without trim.

So it is possible to have a plane with no torque, yet the Lightning does have some kind of torque and stalls like it has torque...so assuming Oleg knows this, I wonder if there is a typo in the code of the FM that causes one engine to be more powerful than the other...very easy for a programmer to make that mistake and very hard for said programmer to find it.... call it intuition.

Blackdog5555
03-08-2005, 06:17 PM
Jeesh. GOD JUST APPEARED BEFORE ME. He said he didnt know how girls think. He said that they are missing some important parts but he could fix it in 2 weeks. Be sure! That was 50,000 years ago. still not fixed. LOL..Cheers BD