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FPSOLKOR
12-28-2005, 02:32 AM
Avanesov PtII
Q: If I remember correctly you said that you used some not very usual method of bomb aiming?
A: Yes. You see, the problem in MBR-2 was that usual, standard aiming device, the OBP-1 was designed to aim from 2000 m only. No higher or lower. what we did €" we would draw differently coloured lines in the side of the cabin and aim with an MG. it was extremely precise method, and we did not have to fiddle with the alt change charts, what in turn seriousely shortened attack time. Catalinas had good, precise, but mechanically complex and unreliable sight.
Q: What was common bomb load?
A: 1 FAB-100, 3 PLAB-100 10, 30, 60m fuses. A hit within 10-15m was a shure kill due to hydraulic impact, especially at depth.
Q: If You were at sea and You would find a ship, how you would confirm if it was enemy?
A: well, no ship would be at sea only because captain wants it to be there. We received ossible areas of our fleet positions for the duration of flight. Enemy ships would reveal it self very soon, as it would throw everything at you on approach. The ship we sunk by MG fire was depleted of ammo, and that was the only reason we got close enough to shoot. 2-3 times a year we would loose one of our planes to surface friendly-fire. In July 1941 we lost one from two-plane flight to the patrol boat. We gathered our selves, and went to that ship, beat the gunners and threw them overboard. But stuff like that happened.
Q: Was defence good enough?
A: Well, we could cover all upper hemisphere in both planes, but lower part was undefended, of course. Seriouselly speaking, one of my colleagues managed to shoot down 2 me-109 with ShKAS. My gun had special stoppers made for not shooting through engine.
Q: Meeting enemy planes was not really common thing?
A: meeting a fighter would usually end up in being shot down. No surprise really. But usually we would meet Do-18, 24 or 4-engined FW-200 patrollers. But usually we would gallantly fly by our business, not forgetting to notify our fighter regiments. It was not our business to deal with them. Though, I remember that neighbouring regiments pilot flew under such boat ant gunner shot its belly seriouselly. Most likely it sunk after landing.
Q: What would happen if You would have a damaged belly?
A: on landing we would have full fuselage of water, so that th plane will gradually sunk. If the side floats would be damaged, we wouldn€t even have time to get out. On the initial run we would loose some skin bits.
Q: was it difficult to land these planes?
A: Oh, yes. On take off most difficult part was the wild ducks€¦ There were lots of €˜em, and at take off speed about 150 km\h duck would do same damage as 20mm explosive shell. Landing on 3 ball sea was considered as dangerous, and 3,5 impossible. Surprisingly, most planes were lost on still water (pilots couldn€t see where the water level was), so that we had speed boats going cross our landing approach to create waves. If we would land on to the log under water the plane would disintegrate, and they are only visible in wavy conditions€¦
Q: Do You remember Your last combat sortie?
A: September 1945. Don€t be surprised, we kept flying convoy cover until 1946. The point was that we could see the mines under water surface and warn ships. Even now once in a 3-4 years ships would be damaged by those mines€¦ So our presence was needed. I ended war with 380+ missions.

FPSOLKOR
12-28-2005, 02:33 AM
Tikhomirov PtIV
Q: You told me once about your fight with La-5FN€¦
A: That was in 1944. We were stationed at Lavensaari Island, when 3-d guards regiment arrived there. Usual pilot talk started €" who flies better, which plane was faster and more maneuverable€¦ They called us whistler for the sound of Yak engine, and we called them growlers for bobbling sound of ASh-82. There is only one way to solve such argument. So we were called in the air. €œWho among You, whistlers, can challenge our pilot?€. Whistler in Russian can be translated also as liar, so this was an insult. Regiment commander called me and said €œtake anybody with you and kick their asses!€ the rules were simple: simultaneous take off, then flight in 2 circles over base and then separation in opposite directions for 30 second and engagement. Winning pilot is the one who stays on the others tail for at least 30 seconds, as this is more than enough to aim and kill. Wingmen were to provide top cover against any German attacker. We took off, and started dogfight he tried to go below me and get me from there, but I made Nesterov€s loop, and we started horizontal fight. There was no way to win it, same as to loose it, so at one point I broke off into the sun, and waited for him to loose me. Then I aligned my self behind-below and won. We were circling for 15 minutes, and I couldn€t get out of cockpit without help. We met with my opponent, and I said, €œIs it clear who is a whistler now?€ it really wasn€t a machine that won, it was the pilot.
Q: were you really that tired every time you flew?
A: it was common for a pilot to loose up to 5-6 kilo€s in one flight. We usually wore some worm stuff, and sweated severely, and without it sometimes we would get frostbites even at the summer. If we covered Strums, we would wear only kitel. But fight was really tiresome, although it rarely longed for more than 2-3 minutes.
Q: 3-d GvIAP KBF? Golubev€s?
A: That€s right.
Q: some historians say that he did kill a lot less planes than he claimed?
A: I told You once, I€m in no position to discuss that matter. It is all how pilot turns it. I, for instance, never claimed as kill those who did not fall instantly. If it went all ablaze, but outside my vision, it was not a kill, it was probable, and they did not count. Some high positioned pilots, especially at 3-d and 4-th GvIAP were shooting their ammo at the enemy still 5-6 km away, and claim kills. Unpleasant, but it happened. Not often, though, usually if one needed 1-2 kills for HSU. As Suvorov said: €œthere is no reason to take pity of the enemy€, drawing couple of more zero€s to the battle kill report in 18-th century€¦
Q: a lot of questions arose about that €œmarauder€ your wingmen shot down; can you describe what happened exactly?
A: We were stationed near Konigsberg, Kaliningrad now, then it was still German territory. The Americans flew from their part of Germany to Baltic Sea, and then south into Poland. The aim was reconnaissance. We had then, if I€m not mistaken 9U-s, first of which I brought to base 3-d of May 1945. Our mission was to cover Poland. First engagement was in July, when we intercepted B-25. We flew circles around, but without permition to fire we could do nothing to hamper his activity. Second bomber I intercepted was B-17. Those fired at me, but I still had no permition to open fire. When I returned my regiment commander shouted at me €œwhy you did not shoot him down?€ I said €œyou forbid it€. He answered €œif you€d kill him, it would be a lot better, since Rokossovskii (then commander of polish armed forces) was angry€. In late July I was scrambled with a direct order to shoot any American down at any cost. What we did in a first pass. I flew from behind and my wingman from behind-low. He shot and killed him, and I did not have the ammo to shoot. British did not get deep enough for us to intercept, but they were always at our borders. The order to shoot Americans was given out at July 1945 until a-bomb explosion. During that time we shot down at least 4 bombers to 1 our and 2 Catalina€s. Next order was out at 1948 and that was closed by moron Gorbachev. And that was the reason why Rust managed to get to Red Square. As far as I know after that the order is out once again.
Q: Actual time of flight in Yaks?
A: Ha! Stupid question, really. About 1,5 hour supposedly, but experienced pilots could fly twice this time. No fights, of course. Besides, engines did not like this. 7-9 had same tanks, but 3 volume was a lot less. On the other hand it weighted like modern car.
Q: what fuel you used for planes?
A: no less than 92. In Germany there was a lot of 87 and 78, so some engines were rebuilt.
Q: do you remember anything specific about your planes?
A: Not really, except in all my planes I had a special compartment made by mech to store PPSh in case if I will go down behind enemy lines.

joeap
12-28-2005, 03:03 AM
Excellent, I love the way to deal with freindly fire...beating up the gunners. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Well sorry not funny considering they lost their comrades, but happens in every war, even hi-tech eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Kuna15
12-28-2005, 03:14 AM
Hi mate glad to see you again. More good stuff... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


...but I made Nesterov€s loop...

http://www.aeroflot.ru/eng/attach.asp?a_no=856
Is this Nesterov's loop?


meeting a fighter would usually end up in being shot down. No surprise really

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FPSOLKOR
12-28-2005, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Hi mate glad to see you again. More good stuff... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...but I made Nesterov€s loop...

http://www.aeroflot.ru/eng/attach.asp?a_no=856
Is this Nesterov's loop? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, i've been pretty tied up at work lately, but check your mail... and some more left there. the nesterov's loop, or death loop is complete loop made in vertical plane without spinning after finishing. As far as i know in states it is some times called doolittle loop, but it is wrong.

FPSOLKOR
12-28-2005, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by joeap:
Excellent, I love the way to deal with freindly fire...beating up the gunners. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Well sorry not funny considering they lost their comrades, but happens in every war, even hi-tech eh? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Well, it's better then have 'em court martialled, for thing like this they would get deth penalty for sure. on the other hand flyers had their satisfaction...

HotelBushranger
12-28-2005, 03:36 AM
Thanks again mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

FPSOLKOR
12-28-2005, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Thanks again mate http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
It's a pleasure! Glad You like it!

Kuna15
12-28-2005, 11:23 AM
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First five pictures... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ytareh
12-28-2005, 01:45 PM
QUOTE The order to shoot Americans was given out at July 1945 until a-bomb explosion. During that time we shot down at least 4 bombers to 1 our and 2 Catalina€s. Next order was out at 1948 and that was closed by moron Gorbachev. And that was the reason why Rust managed to get to Red Square. As far as I know after that the order is out once again

These reports are pure goldThanks!Wow, this sounds like very "hot" beginnings to the cold war!Never heard of this before.
Do the final few sentences of this quote mean that the interviewed veteran pilot felt that the shoot overflying "NATO" planes rule was reinstated in 1948 and remained in place until Gorbachev/the fall of Communism("rust in Red Square"?).And its now back in place under Putin?

Enforcer572005
12-29-2005, 08:53 PM
wow, this is great. and http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif.....Im really curious as to the meaning of the last sentence, as it seems to lose something in translation.

interesting that they were ordered to shoot at american planes even before the japanese surrendered and while they were still officially allied to us, since they joined the pacific war in 45. This is fascinating.

HotelBushranger
12-29-2005, 10:34 PM
Indeed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Und thanks for the photos!

neural_dream
12-30-2005, 12:07 AM
Don't you think all that should be gathered in one thread and the mods should shortcut it to the other forums?

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
First five pictures... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

1. Tikhomirov nowadays.
2. Postcaeds like this were made with portrets of people who conducted something heroic. Here is a man from tikhomirov school. He is a sailor of KBF.
3. October 1944. In one month he got 4-th red banner.
4. Tikhomirov is a member of veterans commetee of KBF Pilots at the memorial at former Borki AB. Wears about half of his decorations.
5. Dismemberment of 12-th regiment. He is with a flag.

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by ytareh:
QUOTE The order to shoot Americans was given out at July 1945 until a-bomb explosion. During that time we shot down at least 4 bombers to 1 our and 2 Catalina€s. Next order was out at 1948 and that was closed by moron Gorbachev. And that was the reason why Rust managed to get to Red Square. As far as I know after that the order is out once again

These reports are pure goldThanks!Wow, this sounds like very "hot" beginnings to the cold war!Never heard of this before.
Do the final few sentences of this quote mean that the interviewed veteran pilot felt that the shoot overflying "NATO" planes rule was reinstated in 1948 and remained in place until Gorbachev/the fall of Communism("rust in Red Square"?).And its now back in place under Putin? Rust was a german sportsman, who landed on a red square in 1987. This was possible only because noone was capable to override gorbachevs order not to shoot tresspassers. immideatelly after it order was reinstalled, and is on now.

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 04:45 AM
Originally posted by Enforcer572005:
interesting that they were ordered to shoot at american planes even before the japanese surrendered and while they were still officially allied to us, since they joined the pacific war in 45. This is fascinating.

Well, since Patton wanted to order "drive to the east", and it was well known, all overflys were conscidered as possible recon in order to start a war. Enemy should be dealt accordingly.
It were AMERICAN POLITICIANS who started cold war, from our point of view, since it is not a matter of people who to fight with. And i do think that we can live in peace, if we would dispose of the nations leaders (No attempt to start revolution or any other problem). Pacific war was not JOINED. It was Soviet-Japanise war, and it was pronounced as such. No alliance was at this time already.

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Don't you think all that should be gathered in one thread and the mods should shortcut it to the other forums?
Possibly yes, but i'm not sure if anybody except me will be willing or able to post stuff like it... So the thread will be short-living.

Kuna15
12-30-2005, 05:47 AM
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Pictures 5-10.
@ FPSOLKOR should I post them all in one post or better 5 per post (to ease up things for slower internet connections 56kers)?

Kuna15
12-30-2005, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Don't you think all that should be gathered in one thread and the mods should shortcut it to the other forums?
Possibly yes, but i'm not sure if anybody except me will be willing or able to post stuff like it... So the thread will be short-living. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This sort of things are real gem for any serious ww2 aviation fan.
TBH I am really surprised how come that this thread and all other in series (and other similar threads, there were one about Hartmann recently get 5-7 replies iirc) aren't getting much much more attention on this forums. On the other hand some complete useless threads with flammatory content are getting all attention and much replies... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

IMO it only proves that there is much more gamers around here than ww2 aviation fans. Shame.

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Pictures 5-10.
@ FPSOLKOR should I post them all in one post or better 5 per post (to ease up things for slower internet connections 56kers)?

yes, by 5 will be nice.
9i'm on a dial up as well.

1. Belayev, 12iap kbf commander
2. Regiment foto at Marienfelde AB (with 190d's)
3. Pilots recieving a mission plan. Left - seaman, mech.
4.Pilots with a "stab rat" - pisar (whose hand wrighting amased people. Left- Tikhomirov.
5.Tikhomirov with mechanic.

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 06:06 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
Don't you think all that should be gathered in one thread and the mods should shortcut it to the other forums?
Possibly yes, but i'm not sure if anybody except me will be willing or able to post stuff like it... So the thread will be short-living. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This sort of things are real gem for any serious ww2 aviation fan.
TBH I am really surprised how come that this thread and all other in series (and other similar threads, there were one about Hartmann recently get 5-7 replies iirc) aren't getting much much more attention on this forums. On the other hand some complete useless threads with flammatory content are getting all attention and much replies... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

IMO it only proves that there is much more gamers around here than ww2 aviation fans. Shame. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd have to agree on that, but i simply do not have the time to search the web and do the talks with other moderators or host to put it there. I'd like to say that it would be great to assemble it somewhere in one piece. The pilots themselves are completely supportive of this, but once again, lack of time for me.

neural_dream
12-30-2005, 06:14 AM
Don't worry. A little later, one of us, maybe myself, maybe Kuna, will compile it all in one thread in the General Discussion forum, where these memoirs belong to and will get the attention they deserve.

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by neural_dream:
Don't worry. A little later, one of us, maybe myself, maybe Kuna, will compile it all in one thread in the General Discussion forum, where these memoirs belong to and will get the attention they deserve.
That would be great, but i thought about placing it somewhere else, on some special site maybe? it should be available... But thanks anyway!

Kuna15
12-30-2005, 01:11 PM
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Xiolablu3
12-30-2005, 02:31 PM
Great read, thankyou!

It is sad that he thinks Gorbachov is a Moron, he probably did the most to end the cold war http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I guess the world now is very different to the world he remembers. The fact that he thinks that the US went to war in WW2 'for money' says a lot.

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Pictures 10-15.

1. At august 1944. Things they do to the pisar is a very old tradition - on a birthday you had to pull the mans ears to the same amount of times as his new age.
2. Yalta 1940
3. Same as above. Note following: he wears standard pre-war pilots uniform. In the war pictures you will note that he wears black naval uniform.
4. 1941, instructor, in standard winter outfit.
5. Yalta 1940

FPSOLKOR
12-30-2005, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Great read, thankyou!

It is sad that he thinks Gorbachov is a Moron, he probably did the most to end the cold war http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I guess the world now is very different to the world he remembers. The fact that he thinks that the US went to war in WW2 'for money' says a lot.
I'm not in a position to discuss this matter here, as i fear it might cause a flameout, but you have to either live in both worlds(which i did), or not try to IMAGINE what it is to live in another world. If you want our part of the story do not look for the answers at the discovery channel, come here, and i'll show you wwhat its like. On the other hand people would have sorted their problems a lot faster without governments...

Kuna15
12-31-2005, 12:50 AM
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Pictures 15-20.

zoinksu52
12-31-2005, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
...sorted their problems a lot faster without governments...

i always thought that governments were the ones having problems and the people were left to sort them out by dying in war.

FPSOLKOR
01-01-2006, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Pictures 15-20.

1. Avanesov is on the right, Izvestia correspondent in the mid, left - navigator Miroshnichenko. Behind Avanesov his MBR-2. Upper right- on the wing of MBR.
2. 9-th of May 1945. Avanesov in mid with his cap moved back. Happy and drunk.
3. Yalta 1940 Tikhomirov. Note different types of uniforms.
4. Reprint from a newspaper article.
5. On the airbase giving out the orders.

actionhank1786
01-01-2006, 03:06 AM
Wow, these threads were a great way to kick off the new year!
Thanks for all the hard work in this.
And give the pilot my regards!

Kuna15
01-01-2006, 10:08 AM
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Pictures 20-25.

FPSOLKOR
01-02-2006, 03:12 AM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
Pictures 20-25.
1. Break after work. Note - both pilots have red banners 2 each, but they are attached differently.
2. Smoking after battle
3. Group photo of the squad members. Tikhomirov with moustage, note unty on legs.
4. Preflight briefing at Yak 9 side.
5. Another rest photo

Ala11_Kal
01-06-2006, 03:22 AM
Bump and thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Locodoc
01-06-2006, 10:27 AM
Thank You for this contribuition.
Very good stuff and nice reading.
Its a shame that only few URSS historys (compared with US, DE and GB arms) are avaiable yet.


Loco
Brazil