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himmit
12-30-2003, 03:32 PM
My cheap Logitech "Wingman extreme digital 3d" joystick is going to the great waste dump soon, so I'm on the lookout for something better..I currently considering the infamous
Saitek X45 or the Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner Forcefeedback
http://europe.thrustmaster.com/products/d_prd.php?p=T62&fam=6

The price difference is small with 98 euro for the Thrustmaster or 105 euro for the x45..

which of those two would you reccomend. I'm partially tempted by the force feeback, but some say it's a must other that it sucks. The X45 recives a lot of praise but some complains about the durability....

and no the cougar is not an option for 350 euro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif yet

himmit
12-30-2003, 03:32 PM
My cheap Logitech "Wingman extreme digital 3d" joystick is going to the great waste dump soon, so I'm on the lookout for something better..I currently considering the infamous
Saitek X45 or the Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner Forcefeedback
http://europe.thrustmaster.com/products/d_prd.php?p=T62&fam=6

The price difference is small with 98 euro for the Thrustmaster or 105 euro for the x45..

which of those two would you reccomend. I'm partially tempted by the force feeback, but some say it's a must other that it sucks. The X45 recives a lot of praise but some complains about the durability....

and no the cougar is not an option for 350 euro http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif yet

PXR_5
12-30-2003, 03:45 PM
Have you considered the Micro soft Sidewinder ff2 ?
i feel its far superior to most of the ff sticks available and ive tried a few

himmit
12-30-2003, 03:49 PM
Yes I have considered it, and I can get one for around 50 - 80 euro, if it's still there after new years eve, but I'm looking for a HOTAS package..altough I could get a separate throttlethingt for the ms sw ffb, I becomes a roundabout manner

chunkylovepony
12-30-2003, 03:58 PM
I have the saitek X-45 and all in all, it is a good stick. The reason to me that it is good is because of the throttle feature. This adds a whole new realm to the game, but the rocker rudder is very hard to get used to. The stick itself IMHO leaves a lot to be desired. The set up and multitudes of buttons are great but, I feel that the stick is too loose. I have exchanged 2 of them and both have a center play in them about 2.5cm to the left or right. To me this is unacceptable for stable flying. I have read posts in these forums where people have nothing but praise for the stick and I am not trying to discount them, but it simply was not true in my case. It could be that my experience was out of the ordinary (which I doubt as there is a 4 page thread in the Saitek forum that addresse the problem with no real solution found)I am not trying to dump on the X45, So take my words as you will, I just thought it may help your decision by hearing from one who has had problems.
PS I am currently using the X45 throttle with that very same logitech you are getting rid of. (love the twisty rudder) Good luck in your hunt

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SI90
12-30-2003, 03:59 PM
I've got a Logitech Wingman Attack 2, ok sort of stick. But it needs a rudder. What stick is best for Il2 FB?

gates123
12-30-2003, 04:02 PM
not logitec

Bearcat99
12-30-2003, 04:46 PM
The X45 will give the most bang for your buck.

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tenmmike
12-30-2003, 08:41 PM
i sugest you try very hard to go find a msffb2.. they are very rapidly becoming hard to get (at least in my area)..the x-45 is ok especaly as a throttle / button bay along with the stick part but i find it near unflyable with the PISS POOR rudder control...i use both the x-45 and the sidewinder ffb combined... if you can get them both together itll only cost about 140 -150 bucks and then youll have a awsome stick/hotas combo..and well worth it .and im poor..im a recent convert to the force feed back club and now feel it is essential to get the most from any of the planes ...........my .02cents

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AJRobson
12-30-2003, 08:56 PM
Too bad Saitek doesn't sell just the throttle. I was playing with it a bit today at BestBuy and don't like the feel of the stick at all.

But I do like my Saitek Cyborg 3D Force Stick.

steve_v
12-30-2003, 09:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
The X45 will give the most bang for your buck.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Couldn't agree more. Took along time to get comfortable with the rudder rocker. All sticks have their good and bad points. Decide what works best for you and enjoy it.

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Tully__
12-30-2003, 09:24 PM
Joystick preferences are very personal. I have the X45 and like it. It's been running reliably for me for nearly 2 years, which far exceeds the durability of any other joystick I've owned.

My recommendation is that you try (if possible) the candidates and pick the one you like. As long as you're spending at least US$40 the precision and stability will usually be good, beyond that it's a matter of your preference and your budget.

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Snoop_Baron
12-30-2003, 09:43 PM
I used to use the X45 stick before getting my MS FF2. It does have some center play but if you set your first "response line" in FB to zero it will make it so that the airplane does not respond within the center loose area. After you do that it works great. It doesn't have force feed back which is why I now use it only for the buttons and the throttle.

XyZspineZyX
12-30-2003, 09:56 PM
I have an X-45 and swear by it, not at it.
True the rudder rocker is something that took a while to get used to but I was fortunate as my previous stick was a Saitek X7-38, a 3 axis-4 button job that had no rudder. Any rudder control is preferable to using the keyboard.
Unlike others I have never had a problem with center-play in the stick and not having force-feedback wasn't an issue for the same reason as not having a rudder. The spring is tight (some say too tight) so it keeps me from having too heavy a hand.
All in all I think the X-45 is the best value for the money IMHO.
If you can try both out, do so. Your preferences may vary.

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12-30-2003, 10:07 PM
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himmit
12-31-2003, 02:11 AM
Thanks for all the input