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spm1138
02-19-2010, 10:59 AM
So, if you're unaware:

http://kotaku.com/5475349/ubis...-new-pc-drm-measures (http://kotaku.com/5475349/ubisoft-on-the-campaign-trail-over-new-pc-drm-measures)

Personally this sounds beyond irritating and I would have to think very hard before buying a game with this feature.

What does everyone else think?

spm1138
02-19-2010, 10:59 AM
So, if you're unaware:

http://kotaku.com/5475349/ubis...-new-pc-drm-measures (http://kotaku.com/5475349/ubisoft-on-the-campaign-trail-over-new-pc-drm-measures)

Personally this sounds beyond irritating and I would have to think very hard before buying a game with this feature.

What does everyone else think?

Mr_Shade
02-19-2010, 11:27 AM
To be honest, from the people who have already been using it, it does not seem to affect your gameplay at all?

While I can see it being a problem for the small amount of people who do not have their PC connected to the internet, with a game like GR - I expect 99.9% of people will be wanting to play online as well as single player - so most will be connected anyway?

And while it may seem 'scary' - alot of people are connected to MSN / Facebook / Twitter when ever they use the pc anyway.. so having a 'always on' connection is normal for a lot of people..

The amount of data it needs to send /receive is not that great, so people on limited download qouta's shouldn't worry.. or that it will slow your pc down.

If you lose connection for a split second - it wont affect it at all- if it's down longer, it pauses it while it 'reconnects' [all automatically] - and then when it's connected again, it carries on or it goes back to the last 'check point' [depending on the game]

So even if you do have an outage, it may not be a major problem.. you just have to wait for it to reconnect.

If your playing the game online, goes without saying it needs to be connected anyway. and if your net goes down, your out of the game anyway..

The above is just my opinion on the system - I personally think it's better than a lot of people think, due to a lot of people getting caught up in the 'drama' around it, rightly so for some..

But I hope people will wait and see it working, before passing judgment on it.. after all GR:FS is a little ways off yet - so plenty of time to get feed back from others using it on other games?

spm1138
02-19-2010, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If your playing the game online, goes without saying it needs to be connected anyway. and if your net goes down, your out of the game anyway.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well obviously that isn't an issue for anyone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

It's more people losing connection while playing singleplayer and getting dumped back to their last save http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif or just not being able to play at all.

Nobody is complaining about being connected all the time to facebook because facebook is an online service. It's in the nature of it that you have to be online because that's where all the data is.

A better point of comparison might be offline software like MS Office where you're not actually using any data outside of your computer so there's just not the same expectation of needing to be online.

It's an extra irritation with no benefit.

I have used a similar system with DoW2 and GFWL and I found that sufficiently annoying that I haven't bought Bioshock 2.

Mr_Shade
02-19-2010, 12:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by spm1138:


It's more people losing connection while playing singleplayer and getting dumped back to their last save http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif or just not being able to play at all.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>If it can't connect it keeps trying...

When it then connects - depending on the game, it either carries on.. or goes back to a check point, not the last save...

The amount of date it sends /receives is tiny, and even people with 'ropey' or slow connections have found it to be not that much of a hassle on the beta that recently used it..

If it can't connect at all - and you decide to give up, after however long you decide then I guess you will have to make that choice...

But I won't say about not buying a game due to the new DRM until it's rolled out.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WhiteKnight77
02-19-2010, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Shade:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by spm1138:


It's more people losing connection while playing singleplayer and getting dumped back to their last save http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif or just not being able to play at all.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>If it can't connect it keeps trying...

When it then connects - depending on the game, it either carries on.. or goes back to a check point, not the last save...

The amount of date it sends /receives is tiny, and even people with 'ropey' or slow connections have found it to be not that much of a hassle on the beta that recently used it..

If it can't connect at all - and you decide to give up, after however long you decide then I guess you will have to make that choice...

But I won't say about not buying a game due to the new DRM until it's rolled out.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not many people are going to want to sit around for hours waiting for a connection to play an SP game.

Bogiegraphics
02-19-2010, 06:40 PM
I will still buy the game regardless of the new DRM as I really enjoy the brand.

My concern would be how long the game will be received by the community as well as how long the game will last with the DRM. GRAW2 is such a fine game that seemed to really lose it's luster in a very short timespan. Several of us made a decision to learn the technology to make mods, maps and missions just to keep people interested in the game - which seemed to succeed.

With this type of technology, will we see an adverse impact? I personally love this brand back to Tom Clancy's Rogue Spear series and of course the original Ghost Recon. But with multiple titles in this genre, could the DRM be a deciding factor for consumers when selecting a game?

On the hacking front, it appears that more PC hackers are collectors versus players and/or they play a short period of time anyway (usually cheating their way through). With the DRM, my logic tells me that the DRM enabled games would be ideal targets for these knuckleheads and folks not wanting to risk loss of internet, would gravitate towards this activity.

For the long-term, hard core fans of the GR series, it just seems disappointing. Not that I am concerned that my internet will go down, but that there may be less gamers out there getting hooked on GR:Crack. I did read UBI's response and I like that you can install on multiple machines, so I am assuming that you would still need to purchase separate keys for us that have 2 PCs and usually buy 2 copies for when company comes over.

In any case, I trust that UBI will do what is best for the brand.

Thanks,
Bogie

WhiteKnight77
02-19-2010, 06:51 PM
The way I understand it, there will be no serial numbers from the way are they stating it in the FAQ. As you have to log into the server to play, you can only play on one PC at a time.

BSR_RuGGBuTT
02-19-2010, 09:54 PM
UBI has no clue about DRM. They used Starforce for a long time and finally got rid of it cuz of the uproar in the community. This new DRM is worse. Granted, I have an always on internet connection but it's ridiculous to not use an authentication server and serial numbered account.

So I prolly won't be buying.

WhiteKnight77
02-20-2010, 08:10 AM
Actually, Ubi dumped SF due to a $5 million class action lawsuit.

REMORSELESS
02-20-2010, 09:11 AM
What doesn't make sense to me is how they're cutting out people without Internet access in an effort to combat piracy when the people who don't have Internet are probably the LEAST likely people to be pirates, given the fact that they can't easily torrent anything. Makes no sense.

rat0a
02-20-2010, 09:35 PM
Mr Shade

I'm not really worried about my end here on the other hand I'm really worry about UBI side of the deal the reality is UBI sucks in the support dept, when a company like UBI suggest to their custumers to use a NO-CD crack from the warez scene to fix R6V then something is wrong in my eyes. I guess you know about the issues but you are a forum manager and you don't have any Idea of the on the technical aspects of this new DRM in theory the is a wonderfull thing, I guees we have to wait and see don't we?

REMORSELESS
02-24-2010, 12:16 PM
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/...e-soldiers-story.ars (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/02/the-victims-of-pc-gaming-drm-one-soldiers-story.ars)

DRM doesn't support the troops.

GuZZ33
02-25-2010, 09:34 AM
Are ubisoft trying to stop any sort of pc game development altogether?, is it part of their master plan: to phase out the windows platform?, reason i ask this is because this constant connection to their master server to play single player is not welcome by me personaly, infact i think it is quite preposterous. If this is the only way to play ubisofts up coming titles (for me = tom clancy games)then i guess we are stuck with it, what can one do about it?. All i have to say is just make sure please that you develop the pc games with full features, no half baked products please.

BOTA-16
02-25-2010, 06:48 PM
I don't think the new DRM is a problem for me as I typically play MP/Coop only and so having a constant internet connection is already required. But what does concern me is UBI login server are no where near what I would call reliable or stable. I cant count how many times they went down in Ravenshield, Vegas, Vegas 2.

fires2006
02-25-2010, 11:01 PM
Well you might think twice about that because it dpends on how much bandwidth is used. In Australia we have download caps and if any game or serveral games with DRM add to the quota those games will die a quick death here. For me I would want to know how much bandwidth is used so I can make an educated decision on whether to buy the game or not.Or an alternative is UBI can contribute money so I can increase my download limit per month.

Blackland
02-26-2010, 06:47 AM
I´ts easy: New DRM = NO Deal!

I will not let me impose! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

baff6
02-26-2010, 09:41 AM
Does this affect my ability to give away my game to friend?

Or resell it to the shop I bought it from?

If it does, I expect to see Ubisoft in court again very soon. As usual.


Obviously as some who often plays SP games when my internet goes down this isn't a big plus for me.

Also I think it's pretty much a given that on release day all the servers will be flooded and no one will be able to play at all.
That's par for the course.

Not only will I not be able to play an SP game when my internet goes down, but also I will not be able to play when UBI's internet goes down.

Clearly there aren't any advantages to the consumer with this at all. Quite the opposite.



Will this be the decider for me wether or not I buy this game?
I'm not expecting to buy this game or any of UBISofts upcoming titles currently so no, it won't.

But er... it's certainly a turn off.
If I was in the game shop and this title was in the bargain bin for £10, it might be enough to disuade me from an impulse buy.

I'd have to be pretty confident that the pirates had found a user friendly way around this before I'd pick it up.



Here is what Hitler has to say about it!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...ure=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzGNd98Hjo8&feature=player_embedded#)

Thereare also some nice Das DRM youtubes out there for any SH fans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...x2-M&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMfBSq8x2-M&feature=related)

spm1138
03-01-2010, 08:34 AM
Well this was pointless. There aren't enough people poasting in here to get the poll going http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

GuZZ33
03-08-2010, 03:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">In Australia we have download caps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Some if not all ISP's have download limits/caps.

But if i may ask you ...When playing Ghost Recon Future Soldier sp or mp on the pc, what exactly do you think you will be downloading to play Ubisoft PC games with their new DRM/Protection ??.

spm1138
03-08-2010, 04:28 AM
http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubis...out-paying-customers (http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubisofts-new-drm-system-falls-down-locks-out-paying-customers)

GuZZ33
03-09-2010, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by spm1138:
http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubis...out-paying-customers (http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubisofts-new-drm-system-falls-down-locks-out-paying-customers) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What has that link got to do with anything of any real life giving interest, or more to the point ..this thread ???lolzzzz.

Sorry m8 i just thought your link was pointless.

Cons72
03-09-2010, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuZZ33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by spm1138:
http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubis...out-paying-customers (http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubisofts-new-drm-system-falls-down-locks-out-paying-customers) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What has that link got to do with anything of any real life giving interest, or more to the point ..this thread ???lolzzzz.

Sorry m8 i just thought your link was pointless. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? You can't figure that out? An article on how Ubi servers were down for the weekend, so people couldn't play their games, because they couldn't connect to the servers, and you can't figure out how that is relevant?

spm1138
03-10-2010, 05:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuZZ33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by spm1138:
http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubis...out-paying-customers (http://kotaku.com/5487918/ubisofts-new-drm-system-falls-down-locks-out-paying-customers) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What has that link got to do with anything of any real life giving interest, or more to the point ..this thread ???lolzzzz.

Sorry m8 i just thought your link was pointless. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are you sure you want the PC forums?

fires2006
03-10-2010, 10:45 PM
@GuZZ33 not sure what you mean. The problem is that even if you play MP the constant connections to UBI's servers is additional bandwidth usage above the MP usage, how much bandwidth it is only UBI can tell you. Personally I dont have a problem with DRM but I do have a problem with a company leeching my bandwidth. Its a dumb idea and I feel sorry people who have connection problems for the SP experience. I can see this kind of DRM causing the game to be an epic fail after the servers went down for AC2 no one would want to be subjected to that kind of frustration with this game too. At the end of the day its just not worth the hassle.

GuZZ33
03-11-2010, 03:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">servers were down for the weekend. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Oh boo flippin hoo, get a grip mate, this happens with many games servers.

GuZZ33
03-11-2010, 03:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Are you sure you want the PC forums? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes ...i'm a PC gamer, i'm liking the new dx render path with win7 x64, so any games that sport this new tech is cool imho, i like new pc hardware, i enjoy overclocking pc hardware and i'm just testing out some pc games with a radeon 5970, nice card, might get another one ?.

GuZZ33
03-11-2010, 03:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The problem is that even if you play MP the constant connections to UBI's servers is additional bandwidth usage above the MP usage. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then move on mate, forget about it, don't waste your time and mental prowess on such trivial matters.

baff6
03-11-2010, 11:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fires2006:
@GuZZ33 not sure what you mean. The problem is that even if you play MP the constant connections to UBI's servers is additional bandwidth usage above the MP usage, how much bandwidth it is only UBI can tell you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No no.
I can tell you how much bandwidth too.

An insignificant amount only.
Too small to mention.

Less than sending an IM.

fires2006
03-13-2010, 09:57 PM
GuZZ33 dont tell me whats trivial and what isnt dude. You're obviously clueless about the DRM and the hassles people are experiencing. Its not a trivial matter for UBI when thier servers dont deliver and for people who have internet connection problems. Its even worse for those fans of the series who have no internet and want to play sp only, now cannot access the game.

GuZZ33
03-14-2010, 11:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fires2006:
GuZZ33 dont tell me whats trivial and what isnt dude. You're obviously clueless about the DRM and the hassles people are experiencing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It is true ..i don't know everything about everything http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, but i do know not everyone is experiencing problems with the drm http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif .

werelamb
03-17-2010, 05:06 AM
The problem with the DRM is not only that it excludes people without constant internet connections, but it also means that in a couple of years when Ubi stop maintaining the relevant servers or go bust or whatever, we would in theory never be able to play the game again despite having payed for it. So its more like renting the game off them, with Ubi having the ability to cancel our ability to play at any given time. Ridiculous scam in my opinion and someone should be fired over this idea. I have all the Ghost Recon games and was looking forward to this one but now I won't be buying it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

GuZZ33
03-24-2010, 03:41 AM
Stop crying like babys over the drm.

fires2006
03-24-2010, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuZZ33:
Stop crying like babys over the drm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seriously dude what is your problem? The concern over UBI's DRM is legit and is worthy of discussion. Stop trolling!

MiNeRvA.
03-24-2010, 11:33 AM
Guzz, If you have no interest in a topic please refrain from posting in it altogether.

Tinker1971
03-24-2010, 11:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fires2006:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuZZ33:
Stop crying like babys over the drm. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seriously dude what is your problem? The concern over UBI's DRM is legit and is worthy of discussion. Stop trolling! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

DRM is a major problem, and needs raising to the highest levels.

Look at EA Command & Conquor 4.

EA editor in chief admits CC4 DRM is a FAIL after he suffering issues with EA's new title.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Booted twice—and progress lost—on my single-player C&C4 game because my DSL connection blinked. DRM fail. We need new solutions </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LINK (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/03/eas-mouthpiece-foiled-by-command-and-conquer-drm.ars)

Now UBI need to realize the same.

Mr_Shade
03-25-2010, 07:01 AM
I have been using the new DRM for the past week or so..

No issues to report - fast simple to start a game.. and no problems while playing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So if your able to run it [you have an interent connection] then you should have no problems..

And since GR:FS is multiplater enabled - I would expect most people to have a connection of some sort?

Those who own £2000 gaming laptops and travel may be missing out though - unless they have a 3G mobile internet dongle.

But if they do, bandwidth requirements are low for it, as long as your playing single player, it shoudln't amount to a large amount of data. One of the Mod team has been playing on such a dongle, and it uses a lot less than he thought - less than reading the forums infact http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fires2006
03-25-2010, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr_Shade:
I have been using the new DRM for the past week or so..

No issues to report - fast simple to start a game.. and no problems while playing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So if your able to run it [you have an interent connection] then you should have no problems..

And since GR:FS is multiplater enabled - I would expect most people to have a connection of some sort?

Those who own £2000 gaming laptops and travel may be missing out though - unless they have a 3G mobile internet dongle.

But if they do, bandwidth requirements are low for it, as long as your playing single player, it shoudln't amount to a large amount of data. One of the Mod team has been playing on such a dongle, and it uses a lot less than he thought - less than reading the forums infact http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just out of curiosty why does the connection have to be constant? why cant you simply login and verify your details like Steam does or play the game in offline mode like the Steam service allows when a connection becomes unreliable or in some cases disconnected because of technical reasons for long periods?

GuZZ33
03-25-2010, 03:41 PM
My apologies ladies and gents if i offended some with my comments, whilst i don't personaly have a problem with ubisoft's drm i do understand some might have grievance's with it.

jonobp
03-26-2010, 08:30 PM
Saw the new trailer and came here to see if Ubi was still moving on with their horrible DRM and it appears so.

Well, as nice as the trailer looked you can subtract 7 sales across your 3 platforms from myself and the kids. Sad as it looked like it would be a blast to play no matter the direction it is moving in from the previous editions.

No reason to get grumpy as there are plenty of other games out there but Ubi should see people are voting with their wallets. I travel and my laptop cannot and will not ever see the internet due to the nature of the work that I do. My home PC for gaming runs Windows and I do not trust it to be online, don't play multiplayers so no reason to be either...not paranoid just have a junk PC to do all the web stuff so I can re-image it when it gets hosed and doesn't get on the network with other things. Anyway, there are many like me that travel. I can't comment on the 3G card as Shade mentioned but here in the US I'd just say good luck with that. I've seen people with perfect connections not able to connect to play AC2 yet some on dial up can. The DDOS's probably won't stop knowing the nature of the internet, though they aren't keeping paying customers from playing, the DRM is.

Either way, rambling, just wanted to say it is disappointing to see the DRM continue as this looked like another game well worth the price. With the DRM though, it just isn't going to happen, I have little financial worries but will not RENT a game or support a very bad idea that has little to no benefit for the customer. Consoles are not subject to this but you lost my console sales as well.

trentventure
04-12-2010, 09:10 PM
I feel theres a great danger looming on the horizon,with this DRM.
A big reason gamers don't always buy the lastest game is they
OWN something better in THEIR games collection.
If the latest "FIFA" game isn't as good or better than the last why would you buy it?
But what if you didn't have that choice? What if you YOU OWNED NOTHING.


Traditionally you pay your 40 bucks and you get your game.
Its yours once its on your machine and effectively it belongs to you.
Why? because ONLY you can take it off.NO ONE CAN TAKE YOUR GAME AWAY FROM YOU.
Now under this DRM they can TAKE away your GAME whenever they feel like it.
You now RENT your game out and you ask permission to play it online everytime
it's fired up.

That Games collection can become Junk overnight.
Older versions of games can have support "Droped".I still play the Older Ghost Recons with mods and friends.That stuffs going on 10 years old,you think UBISOFTs gonna keep supporting them if they had this DRM?
It will be costing them money.
THEY want you to buy the new versions.
You can see were this will be going and theres not a dam thing you can do about it.

Sorry,I'm not buying into this system.
Call me weird but my software collections mine.
I'm not giving anyone the power to "Takes away" my games collection in front of me as and when "THEY" feel like it.I PAID for these games.
This is wrong.

MikDawg
04-14-2010, 08:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trentventure:
I feel theres a great danger looming on the horizon,with this DRM.
A big reason gamers don't always buy the lastest game is they
OWN something better in THEIR games collection.
If the latest "FIFA" game isn't as good or better than the last why would you buy it?
But what if you didn't have that choice? What if you YOU OWNED NOTHING.


Traditionally you pay your 40 bucks and you get your game.
Its yours once its on your machine and effectively it belongs to you.
Why? because ONLY you can take it off.NO ONE CAN TAKE YOUR GAME AWAY FROM YOU.
Now under this DRM they can TAKE away your GAME whenever they feel like it.
You now RENT your game out and you ask permission to play it online everytime
it's fired up.

That Games collection can become Junk overnight.
Older versions of games can have support "Droped".I still play the Older Ghost Recons with mods and friends.That stuffs going on 10 years old,you think UBISOFTs gonna keep supporting them if they had this DRM?
It will be costing them money.
THEY want you to buy the new versions.
You can see were this will be going and theres not a dam thing you can do about it.

Sorry,I'm not buying into this system.
Call me weird but my software collections mine.
I'm not giving anyone the power to "Takes away" my games collection in front of me as and when "THEY" feel like it.I PAID for these games.
This is wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well said man.

I urge everyone to let Ubi know it sucks with your wallets, sales figures is something they are listening to, not forum threads. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GuZZ33
04-14-2010, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trentventure:
Call me weird but my software collections mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actualy, this might sound weird to some?, but, as far as i am aware the term "software" refers to the intellectual properties, therefore you don't actualy own it, it's not yours. If you have purchased or obtained software legally then according to most EULA's you have the legal licence to use said software. Your collection that you own is made up of a disc the case and a manual and any other paraphernalia like a book or art work or a t-shirt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

funkmunky80
04-16-2010, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by athenian:
I don't think the new DRM is a problem for me as I typically play MP/Coop only and so having a constant internet connection is already required. But what does concern me is UBI login server are no where near what I would call reliable or stable. I cant count how many times they went down in Ravenshield, Vegas, Vegas 2. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They're still going down all the time...

zedex26
04-19-2010, 09:27 AM
personally, I will not buy any game with an Always On DRM...

quite often, I get internet slowdowns where only MSN would work and even youtube videos won't load, or outright no internet at all...

most of the things I do use internet, so what do I do? play single player games... like what? well, advance in campaigns of many games, do some races on NFS Shift, fly a bit in HAWX *was such a disappointment of a game... could've been SOOO MUCH better* or plan some more assassinations in Assassin's Creed (1)

but what can I do now? nothing... and they're supposed to be games I'm supposed to be able to play without being connected!

it's not like I've never tried playing a game with similar DRM... GTA4 had something similar, where you need to connect to Rockstar Social Club to launch the game every time... but you "can" keep playing if your internet goes down... you just can't save... or if the game crashes, you can't restart because you're not connected... and that is the main reason why I hated GTA4, albeit it being one of the best games I've ever played, I still hated it... because I couldn't always play it whenever I wanted...

this DRM is even worse than what GTA4 did... not only do you need internet to launch, you need internet to KEEP PLAYING! whereas GTA4 let me keep playing until I reconnected to save the game, this DRM will outright kick me out... this is simply outrageous!

and since November, I really looked forward to Assassin's Creed 2, and the Splinter Cell Conviction... but I did not and will not buy neither of them simply because of the DRM... and this is a shame because I would really love to support my local developer, Ubisoft Montreal, where I live... who made both of those mentioned games... I have bought the original Splinter Cell, (3 CDs) and bought digital copy of Assassin's Creed from UBI's online store... I even carry around an UBISOFT keychain that an employee from the studio gave me a few years before:
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/zedex26/IMAG0001.jpg

I feel really bad about not buying them, but I know I will regret it when I do...

and of course, I have the means to pirate the game, and I am aware there's virtual server cracks out now to let you play the game without connections, but I will simply refuse to play the game, period. I don't care how good the game is, I just won't play it. I'll content myself with watching video walkthroughs and playthroughs to know what's going on with the story.

baff6
04-21-2010, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GuZZ33:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by trentventure:
Call me weird but my software collections mine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actualy, this might sound weird to some?, but, as far as i am aware the term "software" refers to the intellectual properties, therefore you don't actualy own it, it's not yours. If you have purchased or obtained software legally then according to most EULA's you have the legal licence to use said software. Your collection that you own is made up of a disc the case and a manual and any other paraphernalia like a book or art work or a t-shirt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think you've confused ownership with ownership of the copyright.

He doesn't own the intellectual properties, he owns a copy of the game. It's his. He owns it.



You also seem unsure about the differentiation between lisencing and purchasing.

When purchasing you exchange money for goods. Once the tranactions are complete those goods are yours to do with as you please within the laws of the land.
Typically you purchase goods from a retailer.



With lisencing, a company offers you a service or a product under certain conditions, if you agree with those conditions you first sign an agreement to this end with a representative of the company and then you hand over the money.
Once you have handed over the money, the people you have signed an agreement with provide you a signed confirmation of their own acceptance of the terms of your lisencing.


Arguably, a EULA, is just some nonsense they write on games.
It certainly is not a legal agreement, nor does it have any established legal precedent.

OOO EULA! Gamers Boogieman!!! Bill Gates owns joo!!
Lol.

BSR_RuGGBuTT
04-22-2010, 12:00 PM
The good news is that the DRM will not affect me in the least. This was UBI's last chance and not gheying up the Ghost Recon series. But since I won't be buying then I don't have to deal with the DRM.

NJ UBI! You guys get dumber and dumber.

fires2006
04-23-2010, 02:36 AM
What UBI dont seem to understand is this. I live in Australia, I most probably will have to connect to a server to verify the game is legit from thousands of kms away. Although I have a constant connection its just getting the packets to the damn server is the problem. Even if I do manage to connect theres always a high probability of dropouts even in Multiplay aswell. Why the hell does it have to be a constant connection beggars belief. If the game is verified within the first few seconds as legit why keep the connection constant? It doesnt make sense. Im not buying this game for this reason alone its just not worth all the hassles.

Rod_Borza
05-01-2010, 10:11 PM
Just for the sake of it. I love Ghost Recon, love Splinter Cell, love Raibow Six but won't buy any new game from Ubisoft.
If you guys look at what Ubi did to Splinter Cell... lots of people having video issues, crash issues, not being able to connect and other stuff.
"There will be no peace while Kirk remains alive" - said the Klingons
"There will be no peace while DRM remains alive" - say the Ubi customers.

BSR_RuGGBuTT
05-03-2010, 08:44 AM
Something visual to show you about the realities of UBI's DRM.

http://beachestatelagunareal.com/Ubisoft_vs_Pirates.gif

Rod_Borza
05-04-2010, 08:47 AM
Very funny ...LOL...

The way I see it the DRM is not only an annoying feature.
The worst thing about the DRM is that we have to trust them to disconnect the DRM if they decide to pull the plug. It is giving the game company the monopoly of the gamers actions. And taking all of our freedom.
If they ever think that a game is obsolete, they will just shut it down. Now we run the very risky of games with an expiration date.
There are some people out there still playing Jane's Longbow2, a 1992 game. Ok, that's may be too much, but I just finished Splinter Cell 1 last week again. If Ubisoft one day says that "this and this games will no longer be supported by their new servers due to imcompability with the new software language" then they will simply shut them down. And that's really bad.

pootin
05-04-2010, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rod_Borza:
Very funny ...LOL...

The way I see it the DRM is not only an annoying feature.
The worst thing about the DRM is that we have to trust them to disconnect the DRM if they decide to pull the plug. It is giving the game company the monopoly of the gamers actions. And taking all of our freedom.
If they ever think that a game is obsolete, they will just shut it down. Now we run the very risky of games with an expiration date.
There are some people out there still playing Jane's Longbow2, a 1992 game. Ok, that's may be too much, but I just finished Splinter Cell 1 last week again. If Ubisoft one day says that "this and this games will no longer be supported by their new servers due to imcompability with the new software language" then they will simply shut them down. And that's really bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Perfect Point.

Kaerar
05-05-2010, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pootin:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rod_Borza:
Very funny ...LOL...

The way I see it the DRM is not only an annoying feature.
The worst thing about the DRM is that we have to trust them to disconnect the DRM if they decide to pull the plug. It is giving the game company the monopoly of the gamers actions. And taking all of our freedom.
If they ever think that a game is obsolete, they will just shut it down. Now we run the very risky of games with an expiration date.
There are some people out there still playing Jane's Longbow2, a 1992 game. Ok, that's may be too much, but I just finished Splinter Cell 1 last week again. If Ubisoft one day says that "this and this games will no longer be supported by their new servers due to imcompability with the new software language" then they will simply shut them down. And that's really bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Perfect Point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Even more amusing is that the crackers are actually protecting the consumer rights by allowing the legit customers to play the game offline instead of when Ubisoft decides to allow everyone to play...
Oh and in the case of them not giving a fix for the DRM at a later stage, just look to the people that Ubisoft are desperately trying to stop cracking the games they publish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BSR_RuGGBuTT
05-05-2010, 09:37 PM
You make a good point Kaerar. UBI didn't support GRAW2 (PC) much after it was released. It's shown as time goes on that UBI doesn't support it's games, it just pumps them out as fast as possible. I don't know why anyone would expect them to go back to a title they abandoned and remove the DRM. Because that costs money and time and UBI won't spend either.

Tacamo
05-06-2010, 01:33 AM
Hey who here remembers that one game that Ubi actually got rid of the DRM and CD check due to it causing errors? Pretty funny they got the bulk if not all of the code from a crack released by the warez community.

BSR_RuGGBuTT
05-06-2010, 03:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tacamo:
Hey who here remembers that one game that Ubi actually got rid of the DRM and CD check due to it causing errors? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
They did that with Lock On with the 1.02 patch.

rutix
05-15-2010, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rod_Borza:
Very funny ...LOL...

The way I see it the DRM is not only an annoying feature.
The worst thing about the DRM is that we have to trust them to disconnect the DRM if they decide to pull the plug. It is giving the game company the monopoly of the gamers actions. And taking all of our freedom.
If they ever think that a game is obsolete, they will just shut it down. Now we run the very risky of games with an expiration date.
There are some people out there still playing Jane's Longbow2, a 1992 game. Ok, that's may be too much, but I just finished Splinter Cell 1 last week again. If Ubisoft one day says that "this and this games will no longer be supported by their new servers due to imcompability with the new software language" then they will simply shut them down. And that's really bad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed and the point is that the drm doesn't even work. It has been cracked and the scene thanked ubisoft for the challenge.

MikeOrtega
10-06-2010, 11:36 AM
DRM SYSTEM... NO WAY.... WONT BUY GRFS THEN.

UBI listen the Ghost Recon Community and dont become a failure. DRM doesnt work good and you guys will lose a truly fans of this series like me.

UBI JUST LISTEN HOW THE COMMUNITY WANT THE GAME TO BE...

kirn1
02-21-2011, 04:37 PM
the call of duty games have all had pirated copys on the internet and they have constantly beaten sales records or at least seen large profits if a games not average to begin with money will be made. people will buy and support games if they are worth it like almost anything bought in this world there is return policys money back if you arnt happy or even replacements of inferior products. this does not apply to games at all. try before you buy seems fair to me because there will be no refunds if the game does turn out rubish

kalenath
02-22-2011, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MikeOrtega:
DRM SYSTEM... NO WAY.... WONT BUY GRFS THEN.

UBI listen the Ghost Recon Community and dont become a failure. DRM doesnt work good and you guys will lose a truly fans of this series like me.

UBI JUST LISTEN HOW THE COMMUNITY WANT THE GAME TO BE... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And they should care about the community...why?

They make money no matter WHAT they do. So why should they care about their fans? All we do is whine, complain and generally make nuisances of ourselves. People WILL buy the game no matter how buggy, DRM infested or stupid it is. And that is ALL that matters to Ubisoft now.

We are apparently about as important as a pile of dog dung. Why would they tell us ANYTHING? Oh, right... They DON'T.

Corporate policy is to keep the fans in the dark and feed them excrement. After all, it builds the excitement, right? People get more excited when they know NOTHING about the game other than it is coming, right?

Here is a hint, Ubisoft...

Wrong

You don't care if you lose customers obviously. So fine, go do whatever the hell you are going to do. Make a game with some invasive DRM. Make a game with NO plot, crappy story, and no support for it, like so many other of your recent titles. I won't buy it no matter how good it LOOKS.

To me you are the same as Sony Online Entertainment and NCSoft now. Liars, cheats and thieves who get their rocks off by lying to their player bases and listening to them whine when they get shafted. Hey, its the wave of the future. Lie to your customers, hell, we won't care will we?

I don't know about anyone else, but I DO. Your company has lost all credibility with me, and I will continue to ridicule you and try to keep other players from buying your crap. Oh and uh... Have a nice day.