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Pirschjaeger
12-02-2006, 01:57 AM
Maybe some of you guys already know about this but I hadn't heard of it until lastnight, from a BBC documentary.

http://web.umr.edu/~rogersda/forensic_geology/Japenese%...ce%20bombs%20new.htm (http://web.umr.edu/%7Erogersda/forensic_geology/Japenese%20vengenance%20bombs%20new.htm)

What's interesting is that in the documentary the Canadian involved in studying the bombs said that to hide the facts from the American people a story was made up. They didn't want the Americans to know that the enemy had successfully bombed and killed people on American soil.

So, they story given to the public was that a Canadian bomber was flying over the US and accidently dropped the bombs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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berg417448
12-02-2006, 10:19 AM
A bigger reason to hide the deaths was to keep the Japanese from knowing that the balloon attack had been successful.

StG77_Stuka
12-02-2006, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
A bigger reason to hide the deaths was to keep the Japanese from knowing that the balloon attack had been successful.

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jarink
12-02-2006, 12:23 PM
They also dropped some incendiary bombs from floatplanes lauched from subs. They were dropped out in the forest in an effort to create large forest fires. This happened in 1942.

From I-Boat Captain by Zenji Orita ISBN 0-89041-103-4, pages 119-126:


Fujita (the pilot) had been worried about the bombs. each wieghed 154 pounds and was armed by a wind-spun propeller as it fell. And each carried 512 tiny fire bombs in its thin casing. I-25 had taken six such bombs aboard at Yokosuka, so that three missions could be flown. The bombs were designed to scatter the incendiary capsules on impact, making a circle of fire 200 yards in diameter, with each tiny bomb burning at 2000 degress. Planners in Tokyo felt this was certain to cause tremendous forest fires and gave Fujita specific orders to drop them in unsettled areas only, distant from inhabitants, so they would have a good start before fire fighters got to them. It was hoped that large fires would spread panic in Oregon and other forested areas. Public opinion might be aroused and a demand raised to pull back American ships from mid-Pacific operations to guard the shoreline against repeat attacks. <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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jensenpark
12-02-2006, 12:51 PM
Was just up at RCAF museum at CFB Comox (on Vancouver Island, BC) and they have the remains of one of the bomb baskets.

Part of the display shows how far they drifted - some as far as Texas...useless weapon - but amazing how far they got.

The guide at the museum commented on big part of the failures - they were released and (mistakenly) timed so that they hit the North America coastal areas during the rainy season. Hard to start a forest fire in those conditions.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BSS_CUDA
12-02-2006, 05:58 PM
and the U.S. thought about attaching little incendiary Bombs to bats and releasing them over Japan to roost in their wooden houses<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Nimits
12-02-2006, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by berg417448:
A bigger reason to hide the deaths was to keep the Japanese from knowing that the balloon attack had been successful.

Exactly. A handful of hot air balloons with oversized firecrackers were not going to scare the US civilian populationout of the war. It might have made them madder than usual at the Japanse, but that was about it. As I recall, though, some in the US were afraid the Japanse might "wise up" and try sending chemical, biological, or radioactive weapons (they had experimented with some of those in China) over on the balloons the next time around.

DuxCorvan
12-03-2006, 06:57 AM
In fact, there was a secret Spanish plan to destroy NY, in case Spain entered the war along the Axis.

It consisted in drinking nitroglicerine and pi$s it thru the Atlantic Ocean, by specially trained Spanish legion soldiers with superstrong bladders.

The project was a failure because nitroglicerine was easily metabolized by Spaniards, getting in the muscles and reproductive ****** instead of being filtered thru the kidneys. The only attempt -performed by a squadron of volunteers, the "Blue Bladders"- just managed to get a soft, harmless yellow rain over New Jersey.

It was called the Pi$s-Off Project.

Chuck_Older
12-03-2006, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
In fact, there was a secret Spanish plan to destroy NY, in case Spain entered the war along the Axis.

It consisted in drinking nitroglicerine and pi$s it thru the Atlantic Ocean, by specially trained Spanish legion soldiers with superstrong bladders.

The project was a failure because nitroglicerine was easily metabolized by Spaniards, getting in the muscles and reproductive ****** instead of being filtered thru the kidneys. The only attempt -performed by a squadron of volunteers, the "Blue Bladders"- just managed to get a soft, harmless yellow rain over New Jersey.

It was called the Pi$s-Off Project.

I could have sworn there was a scheme to use the remnant of the Spanish Inquistion to paralyze NYC with comfy pillows

slipBall
12-03-2006, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
In fact, there was a secret Spanish plan to destroy NY, in case Spain entered the war along the Axis.

It consisted in drinking nitroglicerine and pi$s it thru the Atlantic Ocean, by specially trained Spanish legion soldiers with superstrong bladders.

The project was a failure because nitroglicerine was easily metabolized by Spaniards, getting in the muscles and reproductive ****** instead of being filtered thru the kidneys. The only attempt -performed by a squadron of volunteers, the "Blue Bladders"- just managed to get a soft, harmless yellow rain over New Jersey.

It was called the Pi$s-Off Project.



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-HH- Beebop
12-03-2006, 07:45 AM
Here is more on the Japanese ballon bombs:

"Today In WW II History" Thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1771097952?r=4641061813#4641061813)

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darkhorizon11
12-03-2006, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by StG77_Stuka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
A bigger reason to hide the deaths was to keep the Japanese from knowing that the balloon attack had been successful.

<span class="ev_code_RED">PRECISELY!</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you consider 1 out of 9000 actually killing anyone successful. And if you consider killing a minister and Sunday school children successful. Remember the mission was to start forest fires and divert man power from the war effort...

Skycat_2
12-03-2006, 05:49 PM
Wasn't the intent of the Japanese bombs (partially at least) to cause large forest fires along the West coast?

If this is covered in -HH- Bebop's link, I apologize. I'm just remembering something I think I read or else saw on the History Channel.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Skycat_2
12-03-2006, 05:51 PM
Duhh, now I see that darkhorizon11 just said that very thing about the forest fires. (Edit: and jarink also. Maybe I should read more carefully and stop getting distracted by the sig pics.)

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RedDeth
12-03-2006, 06:06 PM
actually that bomb was not successful. reading this thread makes it sound like the bomb went off by being successfully dropped. it wasnt.

the bomb landed without detonation in the middle of the wilderness. unfortunately for the sunday school kids the USA correctly hid the fact of these bombs landing in the usa.

the kids went up to investigate what looked like a downed hot air balloon and as kids do began poking around. thus setting off the bombs and killing themselves.

it was a freak accident not a successful japanese attack.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Pirschjaeger
12-03-2006, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by darkhorizon11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StG77_Stuka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
A bigger reason to hide the deaths was to keep the Japanese from knowing that the balloon attack had been successful.

<span class="ev_code_RED">PRECISELY!</span> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you consider 1 out of 9000 actually killing anyone successful. And if you consider killing a minister and Sunday school children successful. Remember the mission was to start forest fires and divert man power from the war effort... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"successfully bombed"

Starting a forest fire is pretty easy. The hard part was getting the bomb from Japan to the US, dropping it in the US, and detonation. This was achieved.

"and killed people on American soil"

I'm sure the Japanese would have been happy to know they had done this. It makes great propaganda.

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Heliopause
12-04-2006, 05:21 AM
I believe the US investigaters used a French book from the 18 century describing the different sands in Japan.

I also read something about a P-40 claiming one of these balloons over America.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WWMaxGunz
12-04-2006, 05:34 AM
The Germans perhaps did more damage shelling parts of the east coast. Probably the crews
mistook lights on shore as having come from ships. The shelled at least one amusement park
which if you're trying to stay hidden until a valuable target comes along is not a good thing.
I knew a guy who said he jumped from more than one ship being shelled just outside of Bangor,
he was merchant marine.

whiteladder
12-04-2006, 06:57 AM
There was a report in the uk news about 3 years ago of a very similar device being developed by the Taliban in Afganistan. It was basically a helium filled ballon carrying a box with anthrax spores(or other agaents), a simple GPS navigation system was wired to release the spores if it drifted past a number of waypoints held in its memory. Pretty frightening really.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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berg417448
12-04-2006, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by Heliopause:
I believe the US investigaters used a French book from the 18 century describing the different sands in Japan.

I also read something about a P-40 claiming one of these balloons over America.

I've read about a Canadian P-40 shooting one down and I've read about a couple of balloons being shot down by P-38s.

P-38 gun camera shot of balloon shoot down:


http://nopukob.com/ww2_stories/balloon.htm