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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:02 AM
Maybe this is just me, or I don't know a lot about history, but for some reason It takes me A LOT of ammo to kill russian planes in a 109 F-2. Just today it took me all my ammo to kill a Pe-2, and I hit it with about 75 % of my ammo load. However I was not aiming for anything in particular, just the plane itself. SHould I be, or is the 109 F-2 just supposed to be that weak?

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:02 AM
Maybe this is just me, or I don't know a lot about history, but for some reason It takes me A LOT of ammo to kill russian planes in a 109 F-2. Just today it took me all my ammo to kill a Pe-2, and I hit it with about 75 % of my ammo load. However I was not aiming for anything in particular, just the plane itself. SHould I be, or is the 109 F-2 just supposed to be that weak?

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:09 AM
Well Galland did call it the "unarmed version" of the 109F...

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:13 AM
The armanent is quite effective on yaks and light russian fighters, but not against bombers.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:16 AM
remember you only have a pair of 7.62 mm (equivalent to the .303 in the hurri but only two of them) and one mg151/15 (slightly bigger than the .50 cal but one of themn vs the eight .50 cal you get in a P47)




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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:16 AM
Allright lol, then its not just me...

Its OK against the fighters, but you still need 3-5 good bursts on a I-I53 before it flames up.

I'm pretty new to the game, so does anyone remember which mission (Fighter Campaign) on the original Il-2 you get a different 109?

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:23 AM
You'll get a F-4 soon, which has a 20mm cannon. Sometime in the winter you should get one. Then after that you get a G-2 and when you finally get a G-6, you'll really have some guns.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:26 AM
though most people seem to prefer the G2 to over the G6 in the campaign

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:30 AM
No Fw-190 in the campaign?!? :-(

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:39 AM
not as far as i remember

tehr emay be some downloadable campaigns that make more use of the 190 .. not sure

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:48 AM
No, you don't get to fly 190s in the campaign. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:55 AM
Anyone have a link for a good site with a lot of campaigns? Il-2 Hangar seemed to have gotten rid of the Original Il-2 Campaigns.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:14 AM
I remember hearing somewhere that the Germans referred to that 151/15 as the "Doorknocker"...for good reason too. That thing is next to useless.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 02:34 PM
Chipaev wrote:
- Anyone have a link for a good site with a lot of
- campaigns? Il-2 Hangar seemed to have gotten rid of
- the Original Il-2 Campaigns.
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-

Anyone?

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:02 PM
Just use this little program for your campaigns. It allows you to change at will or do it the historical way.

http://members.shaw.ca/lowengrin/

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 05:24 PM
Korolov wrote:
"The armanent is quite effective on yaks and light
russian fighters, but not against bombers."

That depends on which bomber you are talking about.
I was in the 109F2 for a long time in a offline
campaign and I got as many bombers as I did fighters.
But the campaigns I was in did not have any PE-2s,
It was always other types of bombers. I was patient and
carefully aimed for the engines. I was able to get as
many as three bombers in one mission. But typically it was only one bomber. Funny thing about the PE-2, I'm glad it
was not in the campaign I flew, because the DM is porked on
PE-2s and 3s. The engines, even though they are inline,
are almost totally invulnerable, like the engine on the LAGG-3s. This is a goof by maddox and I hope they fix it.
Consequently, PEs are hard to down since you have one less way to kill them, with the engine being out of the equation.
If you use a Mk-108 you may be able to kill a PE engine, but MGs and smaller cannons will not hurt them. You can't get them on fire or even smoking. I have seen posts where guys claim they have gotten their engines smoking before but I think they were seeing a fuel leak, not engine smoke. The PE series tend to get a fuel leak right around the engines, which fools you ino thinking you smoked their engine, when you really didn't.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 05:37 PM
WTE_Galway, the 2 7.26mm even had enough firepower to down an aircraft, but in fb many of the guns are much weaker then thier life. In the black cross red stars theres pilots who claim to have gotten multiple kills with just 2 smgs.

Hopefully oleg and team will fix aircraft dm's and gunstrenghts not testing them on ai only who bail from minimal damage.




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