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constipated_can
01-26-2006, 08:29 PM
I use a Saitek x45 hotas setup.I just got it last night at a auction in the next town over.it cost me 10 bucks. Ive only used it on a few games so far but seems to work wonderfully. So anyway i was just wondering what kind of flightstick or controller you use and what do you think is the best?

constipated_can
01-26-2006, 08:29 PM
I use a Saitek x45 hotas setup.I just got it last night at a auction in the next town over.it cost me 10 bucks. Ive only used it on a few games so far but seems to work wonderfully. So anyway i was just wondering what kind of flightstick or controller you use and what do you think is the best?

Stigler_9_JG52
01-26-2006, 08:56 PM
Cougar.

'Nuff said.

constipated_can
01-26-2006, 09:19 PM
A Cougar? Ive never heard of one of those but im not up to date on things like everybody else is on this board lol. Btw that auction i went to was an estate auction.I love going to those cause you can get computers and computer parts for cheap that are really nice. I bought a 1969 Charger for 2200 bucks last year and sold it for 4 times as much. Bought me a 2004 beetle with that money.used of course.

madsarmy
01-27-2006, 03:03 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/tommybomb/controlsetup.jpg http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Bearcat99
01-27-2006, 05:57 AM
MSFFB2/X-45/CH Pedals/TIR............... best of all worlds IMO.

BlitzPig_DDT
01-27-2006, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
MSFFB2/X-45/CH Pedals/TIR............... best of all worlds IMO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you've not used a good condition Cougar HOTAS with ThrustMaster Rudder Pedals. Be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

codeseven7
01-27-2006, 10:50 AM
Take a look at this thread...

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/7461001093/p/1

And also this one....

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/8011053404

steve_v
01-27-2006, 02:53 PM
CH Fighterstick (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?cPath=84&products_id=316) and CH Pro Pedals (USB) (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?cPath=84&products_id=314)

Great products, at a great price, from a first class retailer.

FoolTrottel
01-27-2006, 02:59 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Joystick.jpg

FoolTrottel
01-27-2006, 03:01 PM
Okay, that was foolish... now for real:

Guillemot FFB Stick:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/GuillemotFFB.jpg

Controller:
(Note: Old pic, currently modified to a total of five sliders and twenty buttons)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Throttle.jpg

Pedals:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/PedalsV2-01.jpg

Oh, and I think, my setup is the best! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

henriksultan
01-27-2006, 05:40 PM
Just got me Saitek X52 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Any suggestions on rudder pedals to use?

codeseven7
01-27-2006, 05:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by steve_v:
CH Fighterstick (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?cPath=84&products_id=316) and CH Pro Pedals (USB) (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?cPath=84&products_id=314)

Great products, at a great price, from a first class retailer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I totally agree, but for me, they just dont make a FF stick anymore. I have the CH Pro Pedals, love'em.

Tully__
01-28-2006, 03:23 AM
Saitek X-52

Draughluin1
01-28-2006, 03:47 AM
I guess the expensive option for pedals is the excellent CH gear. I'm using a cheap old Thrustmaster FF racing wheel and pedals with my X52. Just plug them both in and assign the pedals on the Hotas.(-Z Axis rotation ID2) Use the pedals and forget about the wheel but keep it plugged in and out of the way. Seems to be working okay as flight pedals.

Dumbo_AK32nd
01-28-2006, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by steve_v:
CH Fighterstick (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?cPath=84&products_id=316) and CH Pro Pedals (USB) (https://magnum-pc.securewebsiteserver.net/product_info.php?cPath=84&products_id=314)

I'll second that.

Great products, at a great price, from a first class retailer. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bearcat99
01-28-2006, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
MSFFB2/X-45/CH Pedals/TIR............... best of all worlds IMO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you've not used a good condition Cougar HOTAS with ThrustMaster Rudder Pedals. Be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I am sure that the above mentioned sticks are good... IMO nothing beats a good MSFFB2 stick for flying... even with the full FFB turned off and just the flight parameters on the stick (Which is how I use it) IMO nothing beats it.. it is smooth... it varies with plane conditions like loadout, altitude, fuel load, damage etc.. and IMO for the price.. the X-45 is just plain hard to beat. I have used a MSFFB2 since 2001.... and I have a spare unused in my closet... to me it is that good. By best of all worlds of course I mean a good HOTAS setup with FFB and rudder pedals & TIR... As good as CH and Cougar are (If I had to choose between the two I would go with CH myself... since I have heard some bad things about the Cougars.... price to reliability wise) .... they dont have a decent FFB stick.. (Cougar has the Thrustmaster.. but it is certainly not on the same level as the MSFFB2.. at least from what I felt) and until they do I will be running as I am. I also have a spare X-45 just in case I pork my stick with this upcoming mod I plan to do to it (Mergeing the inputs from the stick onto the throttle and just usint the one controller).

BlitzPig_DDT
01-28-2006, 07:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BlitzPig_DDT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
MSFFB2/X-45/CH Pedals/TIR............... best of all worlds IMO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you've not used a good condition Cougar HOTAS with ThrustMaster Rudder Pedals. Be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I am sure that the above mentioned sticks are good... IMO nothing beats a good MSFFB2 stick for flying... even with the full FFB turned off and just the flight parameters on the stick (Which is how I use it) IMO nothing beats it.. it is smooth... it varies with plane conditions like loadout, altitude, fuel load, damage etc.. and IMO for the price.. the X-45 is just plain hard to beat. I have used a MSFFB2 since 2001.... and I have a spare unused in my closet... to me it is that good. By best of all worlds of course I mean a good HOTAS setup with FFB and rudder pedals & TIR... As good as CH and Cougar are (If I had to choose between the two I would go with CH myself... since I have heard some bad things about the Cougars.... price to reliability wise) .... they dont have a decent FFB stick.. (Cougar has the Thrustmaster.. but it is certainly not on the same level as the MSFFB2.. at least from what I felt) and until they do I will be running as I am. I also have a spare X-45 just in case I pork my stick with this upcoming mod I plan to do to it (Mergeing the inputs from the stick onto the throttle and just usint the one controller). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you confused me on one point there - Cougar is made by Thrustmaster.... what were you trying to say? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Force Feedback.... I remember really thinking it would be a great idea. Then I tried one.... I disliked pretty much everything about it, not least was the way the centering forces felt, and center play. Nevermind that it was a cheap plastic gaudy toy without enough buttons. And, FFB is useless in jet sims.

I've been a Thrustmaster user since the original Mark 1 came out. I went through 2 of those (or was it 3?), then I got the Pro Flight Control System (a Mark 1 with much stiffer springs and an aluminum base). Loved it once I got used to the springs. Later I supplemented that with the TM RCS (Rudder Control System), and WCS (Weapon Control System - the TM throttle, basically).

Once I heard about the Cougar, I knew I had to have it.

For one thing - it uses the analog RCS. As I was planning the move to XP at the time, I was going to be forced to leave behind my analog pedals unless I could manage a work around. And the CH pedals are too close together with crappy action.

Then I heard about it's flexibility.... I absolutely had to have it then. And I got it. $270 with free shipping from Amazon, one of the early units (AFAIK), and have never looked back.

Let me put it this way - BlitzPig_Rip was dragged into fixed wing sims kicking and screaming (from MW4), and didn't see much point to spending a lot of money on them, or their controllers. And he was already in hot water with the Mrs. for buying the games. Though he was tempted by the Cougar's functionality, he couldn't justify it.

.....then he tried mine. He went home and ordered himself one immediately, and scrounged some pedals off of eBay.

I'm reminded of the old Packard slogan - "Ask the man who owns one." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Since then, another BP has acquired one, and previously had an X45. He has told me several times over the last few days how amazed he is with the Cougar, and how much better it is than the X45. He mentioned that another BP was saying how his X45 worked great, and we commented that that was sort of like saying "my TV is great", without having actually watched HDTV before.

Another local friend of mine was hooked on FB by coming over to my place and playing it. But he did so on my Cougar and RCS. Once he got a system of his own, he tried every stick he could find in the stores, and hated them all - as he had already experienced the Cougar.

Now, there are, of course, always going to be unhappy customers. Doesn't matter what bit of merchandise you are talking about, *someone* will end up bitterly unhappy with it and make lots of noise to that effect.

Yes, there are problems. For starters, it is expensive. No doubt. But then, so are video cards..... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

And it *is* high maintenance, and is a bit wanting in internal material strength. At least with the first run or 2, not sure about more recent ones. But I would say it's likely that any owner will end up wanting to modify theirs at some point. Which means spending even more money on an already expensive unit.

Now, if that is too much of a put off, well, then it's not for you.

I liken it to a sports car. You spend anywhere from $30G to $50G on one, and then what does the typical buyer do? They dump more money into it - exhaust, engine work, chassis mods, suspension work, etc, etc.

My car, for example, is not known for particularly stellar build quality, or interior materials (but the engine is bullet proof). However.... it is one of hte meanest looking cars ever made, it's fast as hell, and one hell of a lot of fun. And despite having experienced several somewhat disappointing issues already, I'm not put off in the least. I will simply repair, replace, and upgrade those items and others. I will probably spend a lot of money and time on this car.

But that's part of the point. If I wanted a car that I never had to open, or spend another dime on, I would't be buying a bloody sports car in the first place.

However (back to sticks), if a joystick isn't that important, if it's just a basic control system that you can't see spending much money on and never want to have to touch it after you buy it, then yeah, a Cougar is *not* for you.

(that's "you" in general, not "you" specifically Bearcat)

Malahl1
01-28-2006, 07:14 PM
I went from FFB2

to SaitekX52

Now I have Full CH setup. And I have no regrets

BlitzPig_DDT
01-28-2006, 07:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Malahl1:
I went from FFB2

to SaitekX52

Now I have Full CH setup. And I have no regrets </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Saitek people claim the X52 is the be-all/end-all stick. What made you switch, and what is it that leaves you happier now? Just wonderin'. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Dexmeister
01-29-2006, 10:26 AM
I've gone through sticks as fast as I go through girlfriends. I'm really buzzed because I looked for an X52 for the longest time and finally found one refurbed for 50CDN yesterday. Hooked it up, went for a flight in FS2004 and WOW, what a beauty she is!!!!!! Going to rig her for PF next, but two thumbs up.

This is coming from a broken Logitech 2.4ghz, then to a Microsoft Sidewinder original (my backup stick).

So now, I seem to have:
-CH yoke (not used for PF)
-CH Pedals
-X52

The X52 in a Warbird feels so "right"! Wicked!

nakamura_kenji
01-29-2006, 06:28 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/nakamura_kenji/cyborg3ddigitalstickgold.gif

all need ^_^ fly, make gigle think kill someone spend much money on stick/pedal/tir where be use old cheap nice stick i use ^_^

TC_Stele
01-29-2006, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoolTrottel:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/fooltrottel/Joystick.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the cutest thing I ever did see! ^_^

FPSOLKOR
01-31-2006, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> So anyway i was just wondering what kind of flightstick or controller you use and what do you think is the best? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AVB Pegasus is the stick, its a pity they ended production...

EJGrOst_Caspar
01-31-2006, 09:44 AM
A Saitek Cyborg 3D USB and a new Saitek Cyborg 3D EVO ... I am just switching over to the new one. Got me some complications by its different sensibility.

ATLAS_DEATH
01-31-2006, 09:49 AM
I currently use an X52... my backups are an X45 and MSFFB2. If I get rudder pedals.. They would have to be made to realistic dimensions.. as the gas/brake pedals things are to close together for extended use... I have good hand dexterity and don't see the twist rudder as that bad... I got used to it on the MSFFB2.. so maybe that has something to do with it.

dove_58
01-31-2006, 11:45 AM
Trying to survive offline (not tried online yet) with Saitek X45, Simped Vario Pro Pedals and TIR 3 Pro.