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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:51 PM
This test was carried out with a 1945 model of the Fw 190D-9 with MW50 boost and 2240hp. A full ammo load aswell as full fuel was used during this test.

I started my timer when the airspeed reached best climbspeed of 280km/h TAS.

I maintained this speed all the way up to 5000m.

Here's the results.

Min and sec

0.39 = 1000m
1.27 = 2000m
2.15 = 3000m
3.0 = 4000m
3.50 = 5000m

1min = 1400m
2min = 2700m
3min = 4000m
4min = 5250m

This shows an average of 1300m/min = 4264ft/min! Which is VERY close to the real numbers! GOOD JOB Oleg and staff!!

Anybody have some other figures to show? On other aircrafts aswell?





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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 10:51 PM
This test was carried out with a 1945 model of the Fw 190D-9 with MW50 boost and 2240hp. A full ammo load aswell as full fuel was used during this test.

I started my timer when the airspeed reached best climbspeed of 280km/h TAS.

I maintained this speed all the way up to 5000m.

Here's the results.

Min and sec

0.39 = 1000m
1.27 = 2000m
2.15 = 3000m
3.0 = 4000m
3.50 = 5000m

1min = 1400m
2min = 2700m
3min = 4000m
4min = 5250m

This shows an average of 1300m/min = 4264ft/min! Which is VERY close to the real numbers! GOOD JOB Oleg and staff!!

Anybody have some other figures to show? On other aircrafts aswell?





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XyZspineZyX
08-12-2003, 11:28 PM
Here are the numbers for the La-7.

Same procedure as above.

Min and sec

0.35 = 1000m
1.15 = 2000m
2.0 = 3000m
2.55 = 4000m
4.0 = 5000m

1min = 1700m
2min = 3000m
3min = 4100m
4min = 5000m

The La-7 shows a clear advantage over the Dora at low altitude but as height increases climb performance drops rappidly. Giving the advantage to the Dora. However I don't know if 280km/h is the best climb speed for the La-7 so maybe it can better my figures.

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Message Edited on 08/12/0310:29PM by robban75

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:05 AM
Just incase anybody missed it./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Bumpy!

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:11 AM
Good to see the Dora climbing well.
Hmmm, do you think the Dora is preferable to an A-9 with a couple of 108s?



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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:23 AM
The only shortcommings with the Dora compared to the A series is it's armament. But now MG151's are deadly but not nearly as deadly as the Mk108 though. I think the D-12 would be a great addon as it would allow the Langnasen to perform ground attack aswell!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:30 AM
I guess it's all down to trying them out online now and see which one gets the kills and which one brings you home.
I hope we get the D-12 too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 10:49 AM
i have same result as you

la7 28m/sec initialclimb much better as k4

she has real 22m/sec initialclimb ,the same as 45 dora


fb was her climb 22m/sec initial



robban75 wrote:
- Here are the numbers for the La-7.
-
- Same procedure as above.
-
- Min and sec
-
- 0.35 = 1000m
- 1.15 = 2000m
- 2.0 = 3000m
- 2.55 = 4000m
- 4.0 = 5000m
-
- 1min = 1700m
- 2min = 3000m
- 3min = 4100m
- 4min = 5000m


Message Edited on 08/13/0307:04PM by Skalgrim

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 11:45 AM
I as just online fighting against a Fw 190A-9 in my Dora. He caught me just as I was airborn. Good thing I noticed him in time to stop my climb to altitude and I started accelerating instead. I managed to keep him at a safe distance end ever so slightly I walked away from him. The Dora can hold 615km/h with MW50. However acclerating directly after T/O will only give you 570+km/h. In order to get 615km/h at sea level you need to dive it there.
I find it much harder to remain fast in the Dora now. Probably because of the highly effective elevators. E-bleed is insane when turning. It now very much resembles the original Fw version in IL2.

The Dora is not and I stress not an Ubermachine. She still needs to be flown properly. And energy tactics are more vital now then ever before. She turns good, but the speed loss is so excessive that turning it gently is much better!

A good thing is the dive. During the same online fight I was attacked by a La-7 which started out at a higher altitude than me. He was soon on my six and I couldn't shake him. We were at 2500m so my higher topspeed at that altitude saved me for sure. However, I couldn't shake him, but I rolled inverted and dove earthwards, him following me, after a little while he started losing ailerons, and a second later he exploded! So, with altitude below you, he's playing in your ballpark!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 12:04 PM
rob, La can not roll at all if hitting 600kph. Just to have some space bellow, and you should outroll and outdive it.



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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 12:27 PM
I flew the La-7 yesterday and I shocked by how heavy its controls were at 600km/h. However at the lower speeds it kicks b-tt for sure, and it should!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 01:23 PM
Nice results. I'm glad my fav plane of the game is properly modeled.

Too bad the La7 is now an ├╝berclimber at low alt.

By the way. Do one still need WEP+103% throttle to achieve max performance, or should one now use 100%?

Nic

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Message Edited on 08/13/0302:42PM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:03 PM
I use full throttle 110% and WEP to achieve max performance, although the Dora will overheat within 2 minutes. When the overheat warning appears I throttle down to 101% and open the radiator one notch, it helps. The La-7 will go almost 4 minutes at full power without overheating so no luck there.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:21 PM
OK so the 103/104% could still be useful for long fights..

Nic

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:30 PM
Ok, climbtest 1944 Dora.

Procedure as above.

1000m = 0.35
2000m = 1.20
3000m = 2.05
4000m = 2.50
5000m = 3.34
6000m = 4.20

1min = 1580m
2min = 2890m
3min = 4200m
4min = 5500m

Hmm, climbtime is better than for the 1945 Dora. Am I doing something wrong or is the D-9 '44 overmodelled?

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Message Edited on 08/13/0301:31PM by robban75

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:34 PM
Maybe the D is faster, climbs better and has improved armament now. This will not prevent the LAs and YAKs from turning away easly when attacked by a D. The D can simply not follow these planes into hard flown turns or it is turned-out when playing the YAKs and LAs game beyond the strictly recommended B&Z-tactic for the D. This will keep the LAs and YAKs in the first position as best all over planes and reduce the D to plane flown by experts as seen before. Business as usual.

Petrus
member of the Butcher Bird Brotherhood

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:50 PM
The 44 Dora was better in FB 1.0 already, I have no clue why. Maybe it benefits from something that wasn't available in 1945 Doras?

By the way how's the Ta152 model going?

Nic

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 02:55 PM
nicolas10 wrote:
- By the way how's the Ta152 model going?
-
- Nic

It's going well thanks! The panel lines are now marked, the cockpit and the spinner are painted, so it looks like a well used warbird! But it still needs a nice coat of paint. I'm not sure what colours to use yet.

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:14 PM
3:34 for 5000m seems too quick for me..

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XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 03:46 PM
These numbers are taken from a chart produced by Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau G.M.B.H dated March 26, 1945.

2.0km

1.64 min Sonder-Notleistung/Special Emergency

1.94 min Start-und-Notleistung/Take-off & Emergency

2.24 min Steig und Kampfleistung/Combat & Climb

3.03 min Hoechstzul. Dauerleistung/Power for best endurance


4.0km

3.39 min

4.01 min

4.62 min

6.23 min


6.0km

5.43 min

6.29 min

7.22 min

9.89 min


climb rate(m/s)

0.0km

22.0 Sonder-Notleistung/Special Emergency

18.1 Start-und-Notleistung/Take-off & Emergency

15.6 Steig und Kampfleistung/Combat & Climb

11.9 Hoechstzul. Dauerleistung/Power for best endurance


2.0km

20.3

17.6

15.4

11.3


4.0km

18.9

15.2

13.8

10.0

full data from http://jagdhund.homestead.com/files/Dora.htm
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Message Edited on 08/13/0310:47AM by MiloMorai

XyZspineZyX
08-13-2003, 04:17 PM
robban75 wrote:
- Here are the numbers for the La-7.
-
- Same procedure as above.
-
- Min and sec
-
- 0.35 = 1000m
- 1.15 = 2000m
- 2.0 = 3000m
- 2.55 = 4000m
- 4.0 = 5000m
-
- 1min = 1700m
- 2min = 3000m
- 3min = 4100m
- 4min = 5000m

Climbrates Real
La7 44 45 La7Tk
5000 m 5.1 5.3 4.5

So clearly too fast .