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Blue_Phazon
06-14-2007, 10:05 AM
Is there any chance this game will be rated T. I do not play M rated games. It's just over the limit for me, so please don't try to pick a fight about that.

Here is my point though. If Ubisoft makes this a T rated game there going to get double the profit, because me and many of my friends will buy a T game but not a M game. It may sound silly but that extra level of blood rushing out of someone just makes a game unenjoyable and not worth my purchase.

This game looks amazing! It looks like it is going to have amazing replay value too. I really want to get it. But if everytime I hit a guy with my sword 5 gallons of blood gush out and he utters profanity... I'm going to have to skip what is a really cool game that has useless "M" content in it.

This game doesn't need a "M" content to be one of the best games ever. Please Ubisoft, make this a game I can play! I don't mind violence, heck thats part of the fun of a sword battle, but you have to draw the line some where, so please do!

I was just thinking of how good shadow of the colosus was and how it didn't depart into "M" rated waters. It is possible!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

moqqy
06-14-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by Blue_Phazon:
Is there any chance this game will be rated T. I do not play M rated games. It's just over the limit for me, so please don't try to pick a fight about that.

Here is my point though. If Ubisoft makes this a T rated game there going to get double the profit, because me and many of my friends will buy a T game but not a M game. It may sound silly but that extra level of blood rushing out of someone just makes a game unenjoyable and not worth my purchase.

This game looks amazing! It looks like it is going to have amazing replay value too. I really want to get it. But if everytime I hit a guy with my sword 5 gallons of blood gush out and he utters profanity... I'm going to have to skip what is a really cool game that has useless "M" content in it.

This game doesn't need a "M" content to be one of the best games ever. Please Ubisoft, make this a game I can play! I don't mind violence, heck thats part of the fun of a sword battle, but you have to draw the line some where, so please do!

I was just thinking of how good shadow of the colosus was and how it didn't depart into "M" rated waters. It is possible!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That would take alot out of the game imo. An assassin themed game with "T" rating? No thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif And ubi wouldn't get double the profits just because you and few of your friends would buy it then :P
Many people buy it because of the "M" too.

And I think that the blood shown is just realistic, not 5 gallons.

And no they're not going to change the "M" rated thing because of this, but it may change, sure, before the release. However it's unlikely that it will change after they have released the rating..

So I guess you're gonna have to skip'

P.S Would be stupid to have "T" rated game in the crusades anyways, since it was a cruel and bloody time

Micheal_Yar
06-14-2007, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by Blue_Phazon:
Is there any chance this game will be rated T. I do not play M rated games. It's just over the limit for me, so please don't try to pick a fight about that.

Here is my point though. If Ubisoft makes this a T rated game there going to get double the profit, because me and many of my friends will buy a T game but not a M game. It may sound silly but that extra level of blood rushing out of someone just makes a game unenjoyable and not worth my purchase.

This game looks amazing! It looks like it is going to have amazing replay value too. I really want to get it. But if everytime I hit a guy with my sword 5 gallons of blood gush out and he utters profanity... I'm going to have to skip what is a really cool game that has useless "M" content in it.

This game doesn't need a "M" content to be one of the best games ever. Please Ubisoft, make this a game I can play! I don't mind violence, heck thats part of the fun of a sword battle, but you have to draw the line some where, so please do!

I was just thinking of how good shadow of the colosus was and how it didn't depart into "M" rated waters. It is possible!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I respect your opinion but I would say that it is nonsense that when you slash at a guy with a sword he won't bleed at all.

Starsunders
06-14-2007, 10:32 AM
Limiting yourself by the rating a bunch of old men who sit around in a room looking at trailers came up with is one of the more idiotic things any gamer can do.

When playing a game noone gives to craps about a rating on the box unless they bought it for their child. Common sense can tell you what a child should and should not play not a bunch of old guys who get bribed to put a certain rating on a game, or movie.

The game is called ASSASSIN's Creed... Any game where the main focus is for you to be unseen and KILL People is bound to have a M rating due to the content and violence involved alone. Just like there is no way you could put higher than a G rating on almost ANY disney game. Notice I said almost. Same is true for a game being very realistic yet also fantasy at the same time based on KILLING people.

moqqy
06-14-2007, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by Starsunders:
Limiting yourself by the rating a bunch of old men who sit around in a room looking at trailers came up with is one of the more idiotic things any gamer can do.

Well in Assassin's Creed's case the dev team decided the rating, and then when the game is out it's going to be checked by another company ( the one that does these rating stuff )

JN006
06-14-2007, 10:52 AM
ESRB is establishing the rating according to the game devs vision and what they accomplished. But keep in mind that getting an M rating is not only due to the fact that there is no blood, lots of bloods or tons of bloods.

Other stuff gets in line for the ratings.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Everything you need to know about Game Ratings (http://www.esrb.org/index-js.jsp)

knife_X
06-14-2007, 11:04 AM
I`d be suprised if there was no blood however I am not expecting UBI to go crazy, cause then they will get less $$$ But sinse this is realism based game I belive you will not see a T rated game. Off course you got language, level of difficulty and drugs etc etc

ryukoken69
06-14-2007, 11:12 AM
Well Blue I think you'll be SOL
Sorry to say it but if Ubi is going for a realistic game as they have said and then leave the gore of that time period out is just stupid.

If this game gets anything below a M rating then Ubi left stuff out and the game will not be nearly as good as it should be.

MKCC14
06-14-2007, 03:34 PM
The game is made to be a Mature game in the first place. I dont like when devs dumb down a game just to get a lower rating.

ThePheonix1030
06-14-2007, 03:58 PM
If this game turns out to be rated T, I'll cut my toes off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif And I have to agree with Michael_Yar. A game without blood isn't realistic at all...

homeman8u
06-14-2007, 04:09 PM
highly doubt game will be T rated, because of the amount of blood in the trailer already and the violence. The game's objective is to kill, if the devs want to make it realistic, there would be blood and enough to make it rated M.

princeofyo
06-14-2007, 04:12 PM
God I hate it when kids say, "Oh no, my mom won't let me buy the game since it's rated M."

Sorry but the rest of us would like to play this as it should be (an M rated game). Since it has quite a lot of blood and intense combat (As it should!) it will probably be rated M.

The M rating would make it better. It doesn't need profanity but it does need blood. And I'm pretty sure stabbing someone in the neck with blood coming out would also make it M rated.

In the end if the game was rated T because they toned the violance down that would bring the game down to. Don't ask for a game to be rated T just so you can buy it. That's pretty selfish of you.

You LOSE...good day sir.

Super-Spartan
06-14-2007, 04:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif princeofyo that is a pretty mean thing to say didn't you ever have a game that you could not get

princeofyo
06-14-2007, 04:33 PM
No.

And that "You LOSE...good day sir" is from Willy Wonka...don't take it seriously... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ThePheonix1030
06-14-2007, 04:37 PM
I remember when I was at EB Games and GTA: Vice City just came out, this little kid no more than 10 years old had a copy in his hands and his mom said he couldn't get it and he started kicking and screaming http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif hilarious. How old are you anyway, Blue_Phazon?

mormonplyr
06-14-2007, 07:04 PM
I thought ubi said it would be teen 16+

ThePheonix1030
06-14-2007, 07:14 PM
Originally posted by mormonplyr:
I thought ubi said it would be teen 16+

...I didn't even know there was a teen 16+ rating http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif cool beans

wolfe-1
06-14-2007, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mormonplyr:
I thought ubi said it would be teen 16+

...I didn't even know there was a teen 16+ rating http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif cool beans </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that rating only exists in Europe lol, anyway,

As for this game, at least the direction I see it going, the rating should not hold true if the person playing the game has a reasonable grasp on reality.

chewie1890
06-14-2007, 08:40 PM
I will not get this game if it's rated M by a group of old people who don't play videogames. Especially if that group of old people is under extreme pressure from Jack Thompson and various activists/political groups who think videogames are the devils tools for destroying our youth and our morals.

As for what I think the Rating should be? I don't really care what it is, because no matter what it is I will buy it. I could understand it being T, I mean Oblivion was rated T and within fifteen minutes of playing it I was slaying rats in skull filled caverns while my sword was coated in blood.

Pepedou
06-14-2007, 09:12 PM
Ehmm I don't know which version of Oblivion you are talkin about but the PS3 version is M and I think the Xbox 360's also. Maybe the PC?
Anyways, I think it would suck if Assassin's Creed was T rated. It really pisses me off. Like in all those T-rated fps where you shoot a guy in the face and it seems you shot a doll or something. Besides in the latest trailer you can see blood coming out of the body of a guard while Altair cuts him! Yeah!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

wolfe-1
06-14-2007, 09:16 PM
Originally posted by chewie1890:
I will not get this game if it's rated M by a group of old people who don't play videogames.
They actually have to play the game to rate it and, it will be M in the U.S.

ryukoken69
06-14-2007, 09:29 PM
Chewie, This is what they post as to how the ESRB rates games

Ratings Process
Prior to a game being released to the public, game publishers submit responses to a detailed written ESRB questionnaire (often supplementing such responses with lyric sheets, scripts, etc.), specifying exactly what pertinent content will be in the game. Along with the written submission materials, publishers must provide a videotape or DVD which captures all pertinent content (as defined by ESRB), including the most extreme instances, across all relevant categories including but not limited to violence, language, sex, controlled substances and gambling. Pertinent content that is not playable, but will exist in the game code on the final game disc, must also be disclosed.

Once the submission is checked by ESRB for completeness, which may also involve ESRB staff members playing a beta or alpha version of the game, the video footage is independently reviewed by at least three (and oftentimes more) specially trained game raters who are recruited from one of the most culturally diverse populations in the world - the New York metropolitan area. These raters are all adults and typically have experience with children, whether through their profession, education or by being parents or caregivers themselves.

Upon reviewing the video or DVD, the raters use their own judgment to recommend appropriate rating categories and content descriptors for the specific scenes and depictions reviewed and the game overall. ESRB staff checks the raters' recommendations for consensus, conducts a parity examination where appropriate to maintain consistency in rating assignments, and issues a certificate with the official rating assignment to the game publisher. The publisher may either accept the rating as final or revise the game's content and resubmit the game to the ESRB, at which time the process starts anew. Publishers also have the ability to appeal an ESRB rating assignment to an Appeals Board, which is made up of publishers, retailers and other professionals.

When the game is ready for release to the public, publishers send copies of the final product to the ESRB. The game packaging is reviewed to make sure the rating information is displayed accurately and in accordance with ESRB requirements. Additionally, ESRB's in-house game experts play the final version of both a random sample of games as well as a number of hand-selected titles to verify that all the materials provided by the game's publisher during the rating process were accurate and complete.

So it may not be a bunch of old people, just not some young yahoos Just good gamers maybe

ThePheonix1030
06-14-2007, 09:35 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif ryukoken69, you are a genious This thread is closed...

ryukoken69
06-15-2007, 08:12 AM
ThePheonix1030 ......
I shall have to dine on your soul soon for forgeting the word EVIL before genious!!!!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s94/TKqwerty/Funny%20Pics/Smilys/ththblowup.gif http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j174/debserendipity/emoticons/evil-bbq.gif http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w238/TX1138/Emoticons/vampire.gif http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/ehmaysinkxicons/EMOticons/_zombiepoke__by_darkmoon3636.gif

RetiredHatch
06-15-2007, 08:25 AM
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread i figured that most of you would be whining about how it has to be rated M to be a good game and such i did read the first post

well i'm here to add that a rating DOES NOT NOT NOT NOT make a game no matter what it's rated if the ESRB decided to be stupid one day and rate it E does not mean this game will be full of bunnies jumping around and singing happy songs no there will still be the same amount of blood the game developers DONT make games to gear towards the rating system they make them the way the see fit and then they submit their videos and their resume about what's bad in the game and then the ESRB sticks their stupid sticker on the box and it's done

so YOU watch the videos of the game YOU check how much blood there is YOU see if it's worth your time NEVER trust the ESRB on ratings they are stupid and that stupid little letter on the side of the box means ****

that's your thing if you dont buy games for blood i for one know alot of M rated games where blood hardly shows up the first ghost recon being one it's exactly the same as all the other ones (except for the fact that it's not as good hehe) but somehow that got a M rating? there wasnt any excess blood in that one no more than the ones you play now

now again i say YOU make your own decisions about a game dont ever trust the ESRB to tell you which games you wont be able to buy for alot of blood or not i trust your older than 17 because you seemed pretty mature in your post you just dont want to see the extra blood and i agree with you there if it's unncessary shouldnt be there that makes sense well please make that decision for yourself instead of letting the ESRB

wolfe-1
06-15-2007, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread
I stopped right about there....

ThePheonix1030
06-15-2007, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by ryukoken69:
ThePheonix1030 ......
I shall have to dine on your soul soon for forgeting the word EVIL before genious!!!!

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s94/TKqwerty/Funny%20Pics/Smilys/ththblowup.gif http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j174/debserendipity/emoticons/evil-bbq.gif http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w238/TX1138/Emoticons/vampire.gif http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u50/ehmaysinkxicons/EMOticons/_zombiepoke__by_darkmoon3636.gif

Oh, my apoligies, dear ryukoken69. How foolish of me...evil genious!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

ryukoken69
06-15-2007, 09:16 AM
thats better!!!
Now I must start my plan on how to take the world over today...

ThePheonix1030
06-15-2007, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by ryukoken69:
thats better!!!
Now I must start my plan on how to take the world over today...
I have faith in you... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

deskpe
06-15-2007, 09:36 AM
dunno if anyones said this but....

you can see the blood in one of the trailers, and it looks realistic, and to me the game looks 16+

personaly i dont care if theres a little too much blood, lol ... im a big saw fan.. "oh yes there will be blood" lol

AldirTheKnight
06-15-2007, 09:45 AM
yes I'm 15 and my daddy buys me everything, lol

deskpe
06-15-2007, 09:55 AM
ohh, is it like you CAN NOT buy M games if you are to young?, because here we can buy whatever we want

im in norway

RetiredHatch
06-15-2007, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread
I stopped right about there.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i recommend you continue because everything i said made sense i read all the important notes and you note that i'm a avid poster and usually dont say anything stupid in this forum

unlike you mister 29 posts

EDIT: I see this topic has died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif even after i worked so hard to type out my first post

chewie1890
06-15-2007, 02:14 PM
Note: I am doing this on my brothers mac which has a funky keyboard so ignore a few grammar mistakes please.


Originally posted by Ryukoken69
[QUOTE]Ratings Process
Prior to a game being released to the public, game publishers submit responses to a detailed written ESRB questionnaire (often supplementing such responses with lyric sheets, scripts, etc.), specifying exactly what pertinent content will be in the game. Along with the written submission materials, publishers must provide a videotape or DVD which captures all pertinent content (as defined by ESRB), including the most extreme instances, across all relevant categories including but not limited to violence, language, sex, controlled substances and gambling. Pertinent content that is not playable, but will exist in the game code on the final game disc, must also be disclosed.


Wow excellent even parts of the game which are NEVER meant to be played or accesed are being included in the rating. So if you had a game which was rated E but for some reason it had some 'bad' content which was locked away and only accessible due to ILLEGAL third party modification they could make it rated M. Fantastic, I trust the ratings so much!


Ratings Process
Once the submission is checked by ESRB for completeness, which may also involve ESRB staff members playing a beta or alpha version of the game, the video footage is independently reviewed by at least three (and oftentimes more) specially trained game raters who are recruited from one of the most culturally diverse populations in the world - the New York metropolitan area. These raters are all adults and typically have experience with children, whether through their profession, education or by being parents or caregivers themselves.


Wonderful, it MAY have the ESRB staff play an alpha or a beta version of the game. Then it is usually looked over by three adults who might have some experience with children. The only requirement is having experience with children? So these crazy moms who think that videogames are pure evil and are bad for their children can become raters? Great! Personally I don't think being a parent is good enough for them to be 'trained' raters. If anyone is 'trained' to be a game rater then it should be pyschologists. I bet they don't get many psychologists though because it's been shown that videogames don't affect children into aggressive behavior so theres no point.

Seems to me like they're using a whole lot of 'ifs' and 'maybes'.



Ratings Process
Upon reviewing the video or DVD, the raters use their own judgment to recommend appropriate rating categories and content descriptors for the specific scenes and depictions reviewed and the game overall. ESRB staff checks the raters' recommendations for consensus, conducts a parity examination where appropriate to maintain consistency in rating assignments, and issues a certificate with the official rating assignment to the game publisher. The publisher may either accept the rating as final or revise the game's content and resubmit the game to the ESRB, at which time the process starts anew. Publishers also have the ability to appeal an ESRB rating assignment to an Appeals Board, which is made up of publishers, retailers and other professionals.


Upon review of a VIDEO of a videogame the raters will use their own judgement. See we don't even NEED the ESRB. If parents would stop being such lazy dolts who don't monitor what their kids are playing then they could use THEIR judgement instead of relying on someone elses judgement to do the judging for you, when you know YOUR kid better than he does. You know what they can handle and what they can't handle, so use that information to decide what games they should get.

They don't see a video of the whole game either, only 'specific' scenes which are deemed 'extreme' it seems to me like if they're only seeing the extreme scenes then they're probably going to think that the game is like that all the time since they aren't seeing it in context of what was happening. I don't blame them for not making their raters play through every game because that would be an insane thing for me to ask of them, but this just doesn't work.



Ratings Process
When the game is ready for release to the public, publishers send copies of the final product to the ESRB. The game packaging is reviewed to make sure the rating information is displayed accurately and in accordance with ESRB requirements. Additionally, ESRB's in-house game experts play the final version of both a random sample of games as well as a number of hand-selected titles to verify that all the materials provided by the game's publisher during the rating process were accurate and complete.

Their 'in house game experts'? What exactly makes someone a 'game expert'? And what makes their judgement better than someone who's not a 'game expert'?


Ratings Process
So it may not be a bunch of old people, just not some young yahoos Just good gamers maybe

BZZT!!! Wrong! Quotes taken directly from the ESRB FAQ:


ESRB raters do not actually play the games they rate


They are not required to have advanced skills as computer and video game players

Oh well. Though the ESRB sounds good on the outside they're filled with too many 'ifs' and 'maybes' to be truly effective. Though I still think that their general rating is alright. But not something I would rely on if I was a parent.

To the guy who didn't know what Oblivion I was talking about. The original Oblivion was rated Teen until a mod was released which allowed a female characters chest to be seen, which caused an outrage and made the game be re-labeled as mature. Similar to what happened in the Hot Coffee mod from Rockstar.

Pinjani10
06-15-2007, 02:50 PM
Right now I am 14 yrs old. My parents let me get certain M rated games. For example I was allowed to get Oblivion (when the rating was M) because there wasnt any Gun based violence (they think ill go nuts and shoot up my school :P). I wasnt able to get Hitman:Blood Money which is another reason I REALLY want to get this game. As long as there isnt much about Sexual Content on the back ill get it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ThePheonix1030
06-15-2007, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by Pinjani10:
Right now I am 14 yrs old. My parents let me get certain M rated games. For example I was allowed to get Oblivion (when the rating was M) because there wasnt any Gun based violence (they think ill go nuts and shoot up my school :P). I wasnt able to get Hitman:Blood Money which is another reason I REALLY want to get this game. As long as there isnt much about Sexual Content on the back ill get it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

As long as rated M games are historic, nonsexual, and politic, then you're okay Pinjani10 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

cudbug
06-15-2007, 03:15 PM
Does it matter what the rating is to be a good game? I dont like the fact that in todays society a game has to be gory to be fun but that is SO TRUE. I love gears of war because of the head exploding action, But im not a phsyco. I am mature enough to know not to shoot up my school. If you are not than I dont even think you should watch the previews.

ThePheonix1030
06-15-2007, 03:23 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I'm totally with you cudbug...people are so stupid these days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

wolfe-1
06-15-2007, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread
I stopped right about there.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i recommend you continue because everything i said made sense i read all the important notes and you note that i'm a avid poster and usually dont say anything stupid in this forum

unlike you mister 29 posts

EDIT: I see this topic has died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif even after i worked so hard to type out my first post </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I see, more posts means your better than me and can just ignore the opinions of others lol, elitists make me laugh

Crazeelax608
06-15-2007, 04:26 PM
Well if you look at the lonely souls trailer, besides that one nasty bloody upper cut, most of the fighting included very little blood, almost none. Unless I missed it...

cudbug
06-15-2007, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by ThePheonix1030:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I'm totally with you cudbug...people are so stupid these days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Thanks man/woman.

ThePheonix1030
06-15-2007, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by cudbug:
Thanks man/woman.

Woman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

adio540
06-15-2007, 05:21 PM
well like JN006 said
its not just based on blood
just the theme alone could be enough to stir one of the people there to vote for M or however that works lol

i could swear ive seen an M game that under the rating the only thing was "violence"

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread
I stopped right about there.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i recommend you continue because everything i said made sense i read all the important notes and you note that i'm a avid poster and usually dont say anything stupid in this forum

unlike you mister 29 posts

EDIT: I see this topic has died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif even after i worked so hard to type out my first post </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I see, more posts means your better than me and can just ignore the opinions of others lol, elitists make me laugh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


no the fact that i'm an avid poster in these forums and have seen like 10 of these topics pop up in the past and know exactly what everyone will say lets me do that

and if it's any consolation i went back and read the topic after i posted that and it WAS a bunch of people whining about how the rating not being M would ruin the game so i win

you for only having 29 posts can't say i'll stop right at 1 sentence because your in no position to do so if you knew me which you dont cause yo've only been a member for 5 days would know for anythign that my posts are most always worth reading or i dont post

Comfy_Numb
06-16-2007, 08:35 AM
Grow some balls then come back kid...

moqqy
06-16-2007, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread i figured that most of you would be whining about how it has to be rated M to be a good game and such i did read the first post

well i'm here to add that a rating DOES NOT NOT NOT NOT make a game no matter what it's rated if the ESRB decided to be stupid one day and rate it E does not mean this game will be full of bunnies jumping around and singing happy songs no there will still be the same amount of blood the game developers DONT make games to gear towards the rating system they make them the way the see fit and then they submit their videos and their resume about what's bad in the game and then the ESRB sticks their stupid sticker on the box and it's done

so YOU watch the videos of the game YOU check how much blood there is YOU see if it's worth your time NEVER trust the ESRB on ratings they are stupid and that stupid little letter on the side of the box means ****

that's your thing if you dont buy games for blood i for one know alot of M rated games where blood hardly shows up the first ghost recon being one it's exactly the same as all the other ones (except for the fact that it's not as good hehe) but somehow that got a M rating? there wasnt any excess blood in that one no more than the ones you play now

now again i say YOU make your own decisions about a game dont ever trust the ESRB to tell you which games you wont be able to buy for alot of blood or not i trust your older than 17 because you seemed pretty mature in your post you just dont want to see the extra blood and i agree with you there if it's unncessary shouldnt be there that makes sense well please make that decision for yourself instead of letting the ESRB


if its rated E then it does pretty much mean theres bunnies jumping everywhere, and if its rated E there wont be blood or violence. this kind of mistakes do not happen, if they do tell me one example, that hasnt been fixed really quickly.

i agree that you make the decision, but the letter gives you an idea what kinda game it is.

and as JN said not only the blood makes the rating..

and kinda offtopic, but i believe the OP is under 17, but you cant really know if he is since there was no real "maturity" in his post, its not an offence, it was a good post but not showing his age at anyway.

and its not whining about the rating, its their opinion, which i believe to be true

wolfe-1
06-16-2007, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread
I stopped right about there.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i recommend you continue because everything i said made sense i read all the important notes and you note that i'm a avid poster and usually dont say anything stupid in this forum

unlike you mister 29 posts

EDIT: I see this topic has died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif even after i worked so hard to type out my first post </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I see, more posts means your better than me and can just ignore the opinions of others lol, elitists make me laugh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


no the fact that i'm an avid poster in these forums and have seen like 10 of these topics pop up in the past and know exactly what everyone will say lets me do that

and if it's any consolation i went back and read the topic after i posted that and it WAS a bunch of people whining about how the rating not being M would ruin the game so i win

you for only having 29 posts can't say i'll stop right at 1 sentence because your in no position to do so if you knew me which you dont cause yo've only been a member for 5 days would know for anythign that my posts are most always worth reading or i dont post </div></BLOCKQUOTE>yup I registered just 5 days ago, back in....July of 2004, you caught me.

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 11:12 AM
i'm not going to argue with you on something stupid what you said was rude and had absolutely no basis but i'm done your an idiot nuff said


Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread i figured that most of you would be whining about how it has to be rated M to be a good game and such i did read the first post

well i'm here to add that a rating DOES NOT NOT NOT NOT make a game no matter what it's rated if the ESRB decided to be stupid one day and rate it E does not mean this game will be full of bunnies jumping around and singing happy songs no there will still be the same amount of blood the game developers DONT make games to gear towards the rating system they make them the way the see fit and then they submit their videos and their resume about what's bad in the game and then the ESRB sticks their stupid sticker on the box and it's done

so YOU watch the videos of the game YOU check how much blood there is YOU see if it's worth your time NEVER trust the ESRB on ratings they are stupid and that stupid little letter on the side of the box means ****

that's your thing if you dont buy games for blood i for one know alot of M rated games where blood hardly shows up the first ghost recon being one it's exactly the same as all the other ones (except for the fact that it's not as good hehe) but somehow that got a M rating? there wasnt any excess blood in that one no more than the ones you play now

now again i say YOU make your own decisions about a game dont ever trust the ESRB to tell you which games you wont be able to buy for alot of blood or not i trust your older than 17 because you seemed pretty mature in your post you just dont want to see the extra blood and i agree with you there if it's unncessary shouldnt be there that makes sense well please make that decision for yourself instead of letting the ESRB


if its rated E then it does pretty much mean theres bunnies jumping everywhere, and if its rated E there wont be blood or violence. this kind of mistakes do not happen, if they do tell me one example, that hasnt been fixed really quickly.

i agree that you make the decision, but the letter gives you an idea what kinda game it is.

and as JN said not only the blood makes the rating..

and kinda offtopic, but i believe the OP is under 17, but you cant really know if he is since there was no real "maturity" in his post, its not an offence, it was a good post but not showing his age at anyway.

and its not whining about the rating, its their opinion, which i believe to be true </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

my point is that you shouldnt look at the letter if you have a problem with the blood and other stuff look at the screens of the game and the reviews dont look at the letter dont not buy a game cause it's rated M dont buy it cause it does have excess blood and violence he was saying he didnt want the game rated M cause then it would have alot of violence well even if it was rated T it would have the same amount of blood violence language etc (i used violence as an example in my original post because thats what his post was geared towards i'm aware that it takes more tha violence to merit a M rating) but look at super smash bros for the Gamecube that's rated T i cant imagine why that'd EVER not be E the rating people are ridiculous you shouldnt trust them you should look at the screens and videos yourself and decide if that's the right type of game for you not the little letter on the back of the box

moqqy
06-16-2007, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
i'm not going to argue with you on something stupid what you said was rude and had absolutely no basis but i'm done your an idiot nuff said

actually his post wasnt rude, since you just said you didnt read the other posts, and then called them "Whining"

youre calling him an idiot, just because he spoke the truth but he did nothing to offend you. seems like its the reverse thing

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
i'm not going to argue with you on something stupid what you said was rude and had absolutely no basis but i'm done your an idiot nuff said

actually his post wasnt rude, since you just said you didnt read the other posts, and then called them "Whining"

youre calling him an idiot, just because he spoke the truth but he did nothing to offend you. seems like its the reverse thing </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

whatever man it was rude i didnt read 90% of the posts cause i read the first 3 and skimmed through the rest and they were all saying

THIS GAME WOULD BE **** WITHOUT AN M RATING except the couple few that i did read that were smart hence the 90% instead of the 100%

Karl_93
06-16-2007, 11:27 AM
srry if I repeat soemthing, dont have the energy to read the whole topic.
watch the last trailer, many ppl are actually complaining that everytime he hits someone with his sword, there is actually to little blood. There was only a "gush" of blood when he hit one guard, otherwise there was hardly any to be seen. The only reason that i care about ratings is that i have to call my parents when i want to buy a game. (im 14) Dont give a **** about the ratings, they mean absolutly nothing.

RetiredHatch
06-16-2007, 11:33 AM
Yea the blood looks just fine now that i think of it splinter cell had about no blood (at all seriously) and it was rated M =\ i understand why it was rated M still though that just about proves this game is rated M cause this ones going to be more graphic than that one i'd say =\ whatcha think?

ThePheonix1030
06-16-2007, 11:38 AM
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z126/ThePheonix1030/blood.jpg
The game is definately gonna be rated M...

sambates12345
06-17-2007, 02:46 AM
i say just make the amunt of blood as realistic as possible like if you stab somone in the bak there will be less blood than if you chop his head off or somthing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

so please make it a gory game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gifPLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gifIMAG000CAFE88I8

borat1985
06-17-2007, 07:58 AM
if u can only buy T rated games get Someone else to buy if for ya

Howler13
06-17-2007, 08:29 AM
Who here played Oblivion? That had violence. People bled when you slashed them, and it got on your sword and splattered on the ground. The Dark Brotherhood quests were all about assassinating. There was even some mild language (nothing major, but still words that can't be posted on these forums). It had all these elements you guys have been saying are reasons the game will be M... and Oblivion was T! It was re-rated because, like Morrowind, people can mod the clothes out of the PC version (perverts), but besides that it had the right level of violence and blood to seem realistic and cool, but kept it low enough not to send the ESRB into a tizzy-fit.

moqqy
06-17-2007, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Howler13:
Who here played Oblivion? That had violence. People bled when you slashed them, and it got on your sword and splattered on the ground. The Dark Brotherhood quests were all about assassinating. There was even some mild language (nothing major, but still words that can't be posted on these forums). It had all these elements you guys have been saying are reasons the game will be M... and Oblivion was T! It was re-rated because, like Morrowind, people can mod the clothes out of the PC version (perverts), but besides that it had the right level of violence and blood to seem realistic and cool, but kept it low enough not to send the ESRB into a tizzy-fit.

But Oblivion is fantasy, you kill catmen and orcs etc, that takes something out of the rating.

Phreaky_McGeek
06-17-2007, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Comfy_Numb:
Grow some balls then come back kid...
Funny how this guy only makes negative comments and insults everyone yet everyone ignores his posts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There's not that much blood, keep in mind there may also be use of drugs (what assassins took before the kill etc) that might bolster the rating...


Originally posted by moqqy:
But Oblivion is fantasy, you kill catmen and orcs etc, that takes something out of the rating.
There's still the killing of humans, I don't see how adding more things to kill can take the rating down.

DOGSKING
06-17-2007, 09:00 AM
Over here ( http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif England http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif ) Its a 16+ so dunno in america

moqqy
06-17-2007, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Phreaky_McGeek:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Comfy_Numb:
Grow some balls then come back kid...
Funny how this guy only makes negative comments and insults everyone yet everyone ignores his posts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There's not that much blood, keep in mind there may also be use of drugs (what assassins took before the kill etc) that might bolster the rating...


Originally posted by moqqy:
But Oblivion is fantasy, you kill catmen and orcs etc, that takes something out of the rating.
There's still the killing of humans, I don't see how adding more things to kill can take the rating down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, but if it didn't then shouldn't it have the same rating as GTA games? Since Oblivion is free roaming like that too.

andy276
06-17-2007, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phreaky_McGeek:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Comfy_Numb:
Grow some balls then come back kid...
Funny how this guy only makes negative comments and insults everyone yet everyone ignores his posts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There's not that much blood, keep in mind there may also be use of drugs (what assassins took before the kill etc) that might bolster the rating...


Originally posted by moqqy:
But Oblivion is fantasy, you kill catmen and orcs etc, that takes something out of the rating.
There's still the killing of humans, I don't see how adding more things to kill can take the rating down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, but if it didn't then shouldn't it have the same rating as GTA games? Since Oblivion is free roaming like that too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Since when does the fact that a game is free roaming affect the game's rating?

moqqy
06-17-2007, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by andy276:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phreaky_McGeek:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Comfy_Numb:
Grow some balls then come back kid...
Funny how this guy only makes negative comments and insults everyone yet everyone ignores his posts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There's not that much blood, keep in mind there may also be use of drugs (what assassins took before the kill etc) that might bolster the rating...


Originally posted by moqqy:
But Oblivion is fantasy, you kill catmen and orcs etc, that takes something out of the rating.
There's still the killing of humans, I don't see how adding more things to kill can take the rating down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep, but if it didn't then shouldn't it have the same rating as GTA games? Since Oblivion is free roaming like that too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Since when does the fact that a game is free roaming affect the game's rating? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because you can kill who ever you want? Old men/women etc?

Phreaky_McGeek
06-17-2007, 12:07 PM
In many free-roamers you can't kill whoever you want. Oblivion was rated with moderate violence, and GTA VC was rated with violence, blood and gore, and strong language (the game also contained use of sex and (?) drugs).

Howler13
06-17-2007, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:
Because you can kill who ever you want? Old men/women etc?
I'm sure you'll have the ability/option to kill whomever you'd like in AC, but (like Oblivion) it wouldn't be the smart thing to do. That should have no bearing on the rating.

moqqy
06-17-2007, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by Howler13:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
Because you can kill who ever you want? Old men/women etc?
I'm sure you'll have the ability/option to kill whomever you'd like in AC, but (like Oblivion) it wouldn't be the smart thing to do. That should have no bearing on the rating. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But you CAN. It's not a smart thing to do in GTA either.

Howler13
06-17-2007, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:
But you CAN. It's not a smart thing to do in GTA either.
Well, in that case...
ESRB: "Hm, in this otherwise T-rated game, you can set the controller down and let the enemies defeat you. OMGH! That's suicide! M!"
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
My point is, in GTA, I don't think it's that you're killing someone, it's more the ways that you do it and why. Take out the drugs, language, and gang stuff, it would still probably be T (though, admittedly, pointless and boring).

ElKvass
06-17-2007, 06:04 PM
Since when has some blood spoiled a game? The lack of blood though has ruined many great gaming moments. Man do you even remember how great it was to pop some guy's head of in vice city and watch the exadurated amount of blood pouring out? I know I may sound psycho but a realistic amount of blood would just be great. This game is ment to be realistic and if they spoil some of the realism by not having blood in the game I'm gonna be pissed off.

cudbug
06-17-2007, 06:11 PM
Everyone read this.
Go outside. Get in a car. Go to new york city. Sit in an ally and wait for it to get dark. Chances are you will see things that are not pretty. Its a HORRIBLE world out there. That blood is the most realistic you will ever see. That person was most likely killed over drugs. People are still going to be exposed to bad things weather or not in a video game. People just have to know that its wrong.

chewie1890
06-17-2007, 07:47 PM
So what you're saying is. If it happens in an alley in New York very late at night that drug addicts happen to be in, then it should be alright to have in videogames and no one should be bothered by it?


That sounds like a plan.

cudbug
06-18-2007, 05:37 AM
No I didn't. Read it again.
Are you telling me that you think its ok to kill and do drugs because you see it in a game?

moqqy
06-18-2007, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by cudbug:
No I didn't. Read it again.
Are you telling me that you think its ok to kill and do drugs because you see it in a game?

im not sure what ur post about new york and drugs got to do with anything in here, but if youre going to make a game about assassins there should be violence.

chewie1890
06-18-2007, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by cudbug:
No I didn't. Read it again.
Are you telling me that you think its ok to kill and do drugs because you see it in a game?

I have no idea how you could even manage to mis-read it that much. I didn't even say anything about that, I said that just because it happens in real-life it doesn't mean no one's going to be bothered by it in a videogame. Sex happens in real life, that doesn't mean that it's going to be allowed in videogames.

I've re-read your post a total of 5 times simply during the writing of this post. I still come to the conclusion that you think because it happens in real life, people should still know that it's wrong and it shouldn't bother them in a videogame... I don't really understand what it is you're trying to say.

fiso16
06-18-2007, 01:51 PM
Ok if you all would go to the assassins creed website, at the bottom it says the expected rating will be 16+. there thats the rating that it should be

END OF STORY

chewie1890
06-18-2007, 02:17 PM
America doesn't have a 16+ rating. That means that it will most likely have a teen/mature rating though.

Besides according the ESRB website this game hasn't been rated yet so it's just speculation.

tailstriker
06-18-2007, 03:52 PM
basically the things that could bump it up are possible drug usage and violence.

on the violence side, it generally matters how much there is, if it is gratuatous or not, and blood/gore.

I doubt there will be sex, but there is always the potential for that....



personally i think it will be rated M. Slo-mo stabbings with cool sound effects and stuff probably wont make parents happy.

altairiscool
06-19-2007, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread
I stopped right about there.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i recommend you continue because everything i said made sense i read all the important notes and you note that i'm a avid poster and usually dont say anything stupid in this forum

unlike you mister 29 posts

EDIT: I see this topic has died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif even after i worked so hard to type out my first post </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I see, more posts means your better than me and can just ignore the opinions of others lol, elitists make me laugh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


no the fact that i'm an avid poster in these forums and have seen like 10 of these topics pop up in the past and know exactly what everyone will say lets me do that

and if it's any consolation i went back and read the topic after i posted that and it WAS a bunch of people whining about how the rating not being M would ruin the game so i win

you for only having 29 posts can't say i'll stop right at 1 sentence because your in no position to do so if you knew me which you dont cause yo've only been a member for 5 days would know for anythign that my posts are most always worth reading or i dont post </div></BLOCKQUOTE>actually retired just because someone seems new doesn't mean he is. I have been reading these forums for almost 2 years and I have never posted or even felt the need to make an account. Usually because I don't have much to contribute to the conversation.

moqqy
06-19-2007, 04:15 AM
Originally posted by tailstriker:
basically the things that could bump it up are possible drug usage and violence.

on the violence side, it generally matters how much there is, if it is gratuatous or not, and blood/gore.

I doubt there will be sex, but there is always the potential for that....



personally i think it will be rated M. Slo-mo stabbings with cool sound effects and stuff probably wont make parents happy.
NO DRUGS, I BEG! not that i have anything against drugs in games in general, but if they were in the assassins would use them.. and they said they read the book "Alamut" which has all these garden and drug stuff so they believe in it probably..

since the book is really old and is based on marco polo etc

RetiredHatch
06-19-2007, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by altairiscool:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wolfe-1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
I didnt read about 90% of the posts in this thread
I stopped right about there.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well i recommend you continue because everything i said made sense i read all the important notes and you note that i'm a avid poster and usually dont say anything stupid in this forum

unlike you mister 29 posts

EDIT: I see this topic has died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif even after i worked so hard to type out my first post </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I see, more posts means your better than me and can just ignore the opinions of others lol, elitists make me laugh </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


no the fact that i'm an avid poster in these forums and have seen like 10 of these topics pop up in the past and know exactly what everyone will say lets me do that

and if it's any consolation i went back and read the topic after i posted that and it WAS a bunch of people whining about how the rating not being M would ruin the game so i win

you for only having 29 posts can't say i'll stop right at 1 sentence because your in no position to do so if you knew me which you dont cause yo've only been a member for 5 days would know for anythign that my posts are most always worth reading or i dont post </div></BLOCKQUOTE>actually retired just because someone seems new doesn't mean he is. I have been reading these forums for almost 2 years and I have never posted or even felt the need to make an account. Usually because I don't have much to contribute to the conversation. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My point is i have contributed to the forum and have been posting for a LONG time 600 posts if you include the ones before the forums crashed and the fact that he decided to STATE that he didnt read my post because i decided to skip the ones that are a waste of time i found rude and very unnecessary to the conversation if he's only going to post 30 times might aswell make those 30 posts not a waste

considering i always read 9 pages worth of **** before i start posting) and just so you know that case has been closed for a long time and i'd rather not bring it back up

AldirTheKnight
06-19-2007, 05:25 AM
"Any chance this game won't be rated M?"


no, sorry

MrMoo333
06-19-2007, 12:08 PM
#1: The demos don't have any blood, only red effect around the target when you kill him/her.
#2: There will probly be lots of drinking, beacuse EVERY assassin has to go to a pub and attempt to drink away his sins.
#3: No sex or nudity as the leader of the project was a woman, and she won't be having another Level 2 from God of War, if you know what I mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
#3: No drugs because there were no legit drugs back then, except maybe the incense that the monks use.
#4: There will ne violence, but not that much, I mean, WWII games have more violence than this will have, this is short violence, but adrenaline that will keep you running for months.
#5: Language will probly be frequent, in those times it was their main tougue, but I doubt it will be anything like a GTA or Saints Row, where everyone you pass yells at you.
#6: You cannot find a game out there these days without Sugjested Themes. I think the new Spy Fox game (Don't laugh, it is like the oldest little tikes game to date... and yes I still have it!) probly has Sugjested Themes.

So I would say that equals up to rated T, but if they are anything like Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, It'll be rated AO :P

Wangzter
06-19-2007, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by MrMoo333:
#2: There will probly be lots of drinking, beacuse EVERY assassin has to go to a pub and attempt to drink away his sins.

Where'd you learn that at. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

MrMoo333
06-19-2007, 12:28 PM
Heh, have you EVER seen an assassin movie or read an assassin book? They always do that, they do the dramatic sit at the counter, and some drunk guy come and sits next to em' and starts talking to him, or a gang surrounds him and starts trying to push him around or make fun of him and Kung-Fu's em to the ground?

Waatch "The Matador"

MrMoo333
06-19-2007, 12:30 PM
And I'm part time assassin after Im done puttin in hours at Target. O.O

:EDIT:
O RLY? Haha, yea I love assassin movies/books/GAMES!:P hah

Wangzter
06-19-2007, 12:31 PM
No, I don't tend to watch assassin movies or read assassin books. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Maybe if I did, I would see something like that happen. And I never doubted you, just wondered why you'd say that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EDIT: And don't forget, edit is yer friend! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Phreaky_McGeek
06-19-2007, 01:08 PM
Yeah... and an entire assassin group was supposedly named after this drug they took.

Wangzter
06-19-2007, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by Phreaky_McGeek:
Yeah... and an entire assassin group was supposedly named after this drug they took.

Lmao. I heard of that, and I thought the drug was named after them? What total BS, though.

moqqy
06-19-2007, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by MrMoo333:
#1: The demos don't have any blood, only red effect around the target when you kill him/her.
#2: There will probly be lots of drinking, beacuse EVERY assassin has to go to a pub and attempt to drink away his sins.
#3: No sex or nudity as the leader of the project was a woman, and she won't be having another Level 2 from God of War, if you know what I mean http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
#3: No drugs because there were no legit drugs back then, except maybe the incense that the monks use.
#4: There will ne violence, but not that much, I mean, WWII games have more violence than this will have, this is short violence, but adrenaline that will keep you running for months.
#5: Language will probly be frequent, in those times it was their main tougue, but I doubt it will be anything like a GTA or Saints Row, where everyone you pass yells at you.
#6: You cannot find a game out there these days without Sugjested Themes. I think the new Spy Fox game (Don't laugh, it is like the oldest little tikes game to date... and yes I still have it!) probly has Sugjested Themes.

So I would say that equals up to rated T, but if they are anything like Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory, It'll be rated AO :P

1. There is blood shown.
2.:P or not
3.Sinan wouldn't like being called a woman http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
4. ( or another 3 as you say.. ) there were drugs
5. how do you know there wont be as much violence as in WWII games? or more? imo doing nasty tricks with a dagger is far nasteir than shooting you with a pistol.
6.sugjested themes? :P

P.S they were named after the drug.. the word also means outlaw

chewie1890
06-19-2007, 01:48 PM
He meant Jade, not Sinan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

He didn't think a woman would let there be sex scenes in a videogame similar to that of God of War. The project = Assassins Creed.

moqqy
06-19-2007, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by chewie1890:
He meant Jade, not Sinan. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

He didn't think a woman would let there be sex scenes in a videogame similar to that of God of War. The project = Assassins Creed.

ah, THAT project lol. why wouldnt a woman let there be sex in a game tho?

chewie1890
06-19-2007, 01:55 PM
Beats me. He might think that she's more respectable than that, or that as a woman she might think it's degrading. There's plenty of reasons I personally think Jade wouldn't allow sex in the game because she seems more respectable than that, but hey i've been proven wrong before.

moqqy
06-19-2007, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by chewie1890:
Beats me. He might think that she's more respectable than that, or that as a woman she might think it's degrading. There's plenty of reasons I personally think Jade wouldn't allow sex in the game because she seems more respectable than that, but hey i've been proven wrong before.

just 'coz shes a woman doesnt mean shes like that... and she cant say everything they do, or can she? neways, i dont think there will be sex since it wouldnt realy fit into the theme of the game

chewie1890
06-19-2007, 02:24 PM
I didn't mean it just because she was a female, but rather when we've seen her interviewed she's seemed very modest. I mean look at the dutch interview (I think it was dutch, might not be) that we saw a bit ago, one of the questions was "Being such a beautiful girl what's it like working in a typically male industry" or something along those lines. She laughed and said "I guess that's a compliment" and shrugged it off.

AldirTheKnight
06-19-2007, 03:43 PM
but Alta´r has to have a son...

cudbug
06-19-2007, 05:39 PM
Of course! If he didn't who would take over his assassin buissines? Well if I was in that time period I would. Actually i probably wouldn't. Killing is not my thing.

Wanted_David
06-19-2007, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:
but Alta´r has to have a son...

so what? you expect to see altair and his girl actually MAKING the baby? perv http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

PS: btw, those smilies don't represent my emotions...they were just a way to illustrate a kind of sex practice...

MrMoo333
06-19-2007, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
#5: There will ne violence, but not that much, I mean, WWII games have more violence than this will have, this is short violence, but adrenaline that will keep you running for months.


5. how do you know there wont be as much violence as in WWII games? or more? imo doing nasty tricks with a dagger is far nasteir than shooting you with a pistol.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea you do more nasty things but not much, there are your targets and the guard, and with the guards its realistic, so you always take defensive poses and only strike when its open, WWII games are all shooting all the time, hitting people with vehicles, and not to mention in the CoD games theres blood everytime you shoot em', a little fountain :P

yoo_luke
06-20-2007, 12:06 AM
Well the site says it's aiming for a 16+ (is that teen or M?) but who knows. Maybe there's going to be another hot coffee incident and Jack Thompson will go balistic!

moqqy
06-20-2007, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by MrMoo333:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by moqqy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrMoo333:
#5: There will ne violence, but not that much, I mean, WWII games have more violence than this will have, this is short violence, but adrenaline that will keep you running for months.


5. how do you know there wont be as much violence as in WWII games? or more? imo doing nasty tricks with a dagger is far nasteir than shooting you with a pistol.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea you do more nasty things but not much, there are your targets and the guard, and with the guards its realistic, so you always take defensive poses and only strike when its open, WWII games are all shooting all the time, hitting people with vehicles, and not to mention in the CoD games theres blood everytime you shoot em', a little fountain :P </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i find games where you play with sword MUCH more violent than any shooters, since in shooters it's not so.. "personal"

like Dark Messiah was more violent than CoD's, easy.

a-secret-threat
06-21-2007, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Blue_Phazon:
Is there any chance this game will be rated T. I do not play M rated games. It's just over the limit for me, so please don't try to pick a fight about that.

Here is my point though. If Ubisoft makes this a T rated game there going to get double the profit, because me and many of my friends will buy a T game but not a M game. It may sound silly but that extra level of blood rushing out of someone just makes a game unenjoyable and not worth my purchase.

This game looks amazing! It looks like it is going to have amazing replay value too. I really want to get it. But if everytime I hit a guy with my sword 5 gallons of blood gush out and he utters profanity... I'm going to have to skip what is a really cool game that has useless "M" content in it.

This game doesn't need a "M" content to be one of the best games ever. Please Ubisoft, make this a game I can play! I don't mind violence, heck thats part of the fun of a sword battle, but you have to draw the line some where, so please do!

I was just thinking of how good shadow of the colosus was and how it didn't depart into "M" rated waters. It is possible!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

sry... if violence is y u play a sword fight, then shouldnt there be blood... theres no line to draw... it will look cheesy and wont be as rewarding when u assassinate a "boss" and u dont see any blood coming from his body while he lays on the floor dieing..
and blood usually can make a game be rater M instead of T all on its own

Brad3192
06-21-2007, 09:45 PM
****.... i'm 14 and been play m rated games since i was like 8 so i don't care what its rated as long i got money i can get it because i'm hardcore like that 8)

davo81
06-21-2007, 11:49 PM
Ok this thread doesn't really make any sense, just about every game ive played was MA or M oblivion was M on PS3 PC and 360 aswell with half life 2, doom3, counter strike 1.6 and source, dark messiah, quake series, stalker, Doom95, call of duty series, area 51,
blood omen 2, half life, call of juraz, Ghost recon series ETC.

It's obviously going to be rated MA... the game is aimed at assassinating key guys anyway. so.. i come out of nowhere and slice a sword into a guys neck and...it's rated 'T' or 'G'? good luck mate.

ThePheonix1030
06-22-2007, 07:25 AM
What's a "G" rating? For girls http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

altairiscool
06-22-2007, 10:57 AM
Yeah this game will be rated mature. Plain and simple.I just dont see how it isnt. give me 1 good reason that it isn't m.

AldirTheKnight
06-22-2007, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Wanted_David:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AldirTheKnight:
but Alta´r has to have a son...

so what? you expect to see altair and his girl actually MAKING the baby? perv http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

PS: btw, those smilies don't represent my emotions...they were just a way to illustrate a kind of sex practice... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i'm not a perv you are!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

and so a baby is born, lol, I just depicted a life in smilies

Barthe7ruth
06-22-2007, 03:31 PM
What's all this about drugs and alcohol?
1. The Assassin's were a sect of Islam, and alcohol is forbidden in the Qur'an.
2. The drug they were reputed to do was hashish. Muslim sources from the period, however, make absolutely no mention of the drug in connection to them. Also, the word Hashashin (hashish-eaters) was used for law-breakers and hooligans generally, so it doesn't tell much about their practices. And Marco Polo was damn liar!

But anyway, the point:
Toning down the game for a lower rating would severely piss me off. A group of creative minds is creating a piece of art, and I bloody well want to experience it the way they envisioned it. If that keeps a bunch of kids from playing it too, then that's even better. Little *******s probably wouldn't appreciate it properly anyway. Besides, when I was their age I found ways around the law; I think they're just lazy. Go back to shouting obscenities at strangers over X-box Live (which you shouldn't have either, you little ****es).

Oh, and to the original poster: since it's your personal choice not to play M-rated games, why are you considering a game set in one of the most violent, intolerant periods of history? Bugger off and let the rest of us enjoy it.

Man, I got a little vitriolic there. I should probably go play a hyper-violent video game to get rid of my stress. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

AldirTheKnight
06-22-2007, 04:17 PM
Aldir-Gears of War?

Evil Aldir- yes, long live the carnage!

Wangzter
06-22-2007, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Barthe7ruth:
What's all this about drugs and alcohol?
1. The Assassin's were a sect of Islam, and alcohol is forbidden in the Qur'an.
2. The drug they were reputed to do was hashish. Muslim sources from the period, however, make absolutely no mention of the drug in connection to them. Also, the word Hashashin (hashish-eaters) was used for law-breakers and hooligans generally, so it doesn't tell much about their practices. And Marco Polo was damn liar!

But anyway, the point:
Toning down the game for a lower rating would severely piss me off. A group of creative minds is creating a piece of art, and I bloody well want to experience it the way they envisioned it. If that keeps a bunch of kids from playing it too, then that's even better. Little *******s probably wouldn't appreciate it properly anyway. Besides, when I was their age I found ways around the law; I think they're just lazy. Go back to shouting obscenities at strangers over X-box Live (which you shouldn't have either, you little ****es).

Oh, and to the original poster: since it's your personal choice not to play M-rated games, why are you considering a game set in one of the most violent, intolerant periods of history? Bugger off and let the rest of us enjoy it.

Man, I got a little vitriolic there. I should probably go play a hyper-violent video game to get rid of my stress. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Though a little more vulgar then what I would of come up with.

cudbug
06-25-2007, 11:27 AM
You know people this game will most likely be rated M but its not for sure. Dont just come in and say "This is going to be rated M. Plain and simple. No arguement!"

Well there argueing and people are going to do it. You are not always wright, Live with it.

Mojo_69
06-25-2007, 12:23 PM
Sayin that you will ake double the profit with a teen rating is stupid. Many people love the blood and extra violence and the entire game is about assassinations of course it will be rated M. Also in the video it has a cool shot of when the blade punctures the inside of someone, it intense but an excellent thing to add.

HeresToAtomBomb
06-25-2007, 12:48 PM
When have videogames, in the eyes of the gamers themselves, become about making the various devs/producers money? We should be concerned with elements such as gameplay, graphics, and the greatness-affordability ratio instead.

RetiredHatch
06-25-2007, 12:48 PM
Ubisoft will not change anything they had planned for the game to get a T rating regardless of what anyone asks them to do

now after reading that lemme ask you a question?

if this game got a T rating the ESRB decided to rrate it T would it be a bad game? like so many of you are implying

davo81
06-26-2007, 01:08 AM
Well, on the assassin's creed official site, they have a "16+" rating clearly marked at the bottom of the page. In Australia the age 15 is the restriction for "MA15+" games so i dunno what internation ratings are like but it says "16+" on the site so in theory it would be rated "MA15+" in Australia.