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paulhager
01-14-2006, 11:21 AM
All of the action on this patrol took place over a three day period, the end of August.

U-319, Type IX-C. First generation radar, Alberich coating, conning tower 3, first generation sonar. Loadout: 16 T-III electric torpedoes.

Went to my €œpatrol area€ and meandered for more than a week, finally receiving a report from BdU on 29/08/1942 @ 09:19 of a convoy.
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I closed with the convoy and observed a C3 and one of the outer escorts. I reported to BdU.
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I received the acknowledgement two hours later.
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I shadowed the convoy throughout the day, waiting in vain for the Luftwaffe to attack. Since there were now a few hours of semi-darkness, I decided to make an attack run after sundown.
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When I made my attack, the starboard front corner escort was off on extended search so I was completely unmolested. I targeted a T3 and a Liberty ship with spreads, hitting and sinking both. Here€s the T3 going down.
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While I was engaged in sinking the two merchants, the escort returned from its meander, coming in at high speed. It wasn€t pinging, so I remained hanging at P-depth and targeted it with both stern torps as it raced past. One hit.
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I dove and withdrew from the area as the convoy raced on. Once it was far enough away I went to P-depth and began reloading torps. During this process, I witnessed sunrise through the periscope.
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I surfaced and went to full speed to reacquire the convoy. Eventually, I saw the rear starboard corner escort and it was sufficient for a report to BdU, which acknowledged.
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I finally got into shadowing position off the starboard front corner of the convoy.
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I shadowed for several hours and no Luftwaffe. I knew there was another T3 in the convoy so I decided to close and go after it. I was confident that my T-III electrics would allow me to attack and escape safely. I got into position and was able to track the convoy and the starboard side escort getting good solutions. I fired on the T3 at around 2000 meters and turned away but remained at P-depth. If the flank escort continued on course, I€d have an easy shot at it.
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It did and I did.
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After I took out the escort I retired and then spent a couple of hours getting back into position. Finally a lookout called, aircraft spotted. It was the first of several waves of Ju-88€s coming in to attack the convoy.
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Here€s a view of the attack from a Ju-88 in the second wave.
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The C3 behind the T2 is hit. It will later be on fire.
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The aftermath of the attack.
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I continued to shadow the convoy. Here€s a view through the UZO showing one of the damaged ships.
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I maintained contact and sent a patrol report. Nine torpedoes expended, two tankers, one cargo and 2 escorts. Not bad so far.
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After a time, I decided maybe I should go after the heavily damaged C3 and any other targets that presented themselves. I closed and took out that ship with a single torp, impact, and hit a near C3 with a spread of two, sinking it. Two more cargoes added to my score.
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At this point, I€m very pleased with the patrol: 12 torpedoes expended, 2 T3€s, 2 C3€s, a Liberty, and two V&W DD€s. And plenty of juicy targets remain.

Again, I resumed position on the starboard (southern) side of the convoy. I was just in time to see several waves of Ju-87€s pass overhead on the way to the attack.
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This sequence shows the attack on a cargo ship by one of the Ju-87€s.
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Here is the result of the attack. You can see one of the Ju-87€s has crashed into the sea in the background.
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Since there were some more cripples, I decided it was time to make another attack. I moved to the head of the convoy at full speed and submerged. When I raised the scope, I saw another air attack was in progress.
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It was easy to get into position and take out the T2.
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I withdrew and, after a full speed run, took up shadowing station again. I sent another report. You€ll notice that the convoy speed is given as 5 kts. This is because at initial contact I was looking at one of two damaged cargo ships that were beginning to lag behind the main convoy..
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As I finally got into position, the watch spotted an FW-200 flying in to attack. For the first time, I wasn€t happy to see the Luftwaffe. There were two injured cargo ships I aimed to bag and I didn€t want to see credit go to the flyboys. Here is a shot from the lead FW-200. Note the U-319 visible, just right of top-center.
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All three FW-200€s went after the lead 4 ships in the convoy. This sequence shows the actual attack of the €œCondors€.
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As the Condors returned to base, I went after the two stragglers. I figured that since two more cargo ships had been heavily damaged, I might be able to pick those up as well.

I dispatched the first ship with one torpedo.
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The other C2 turned out to be made of sterner stuff. When I finished firing torpedoes into the hulk, I was down to 3.
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Well, there were still two damaged cargo ships and a small tanker up ahead. I might be able to sink all three with my remaining torpedoes.

It had taken so long to deal with the cripples that the convoy was now some distance away. As this BdU report indicated, it had also changed course.
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I went to flank speed and finally made contact during the short night. It was one of the escorts running a search pattern. I slowed and pursued an oblique course to evade.
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Resuming course, I went to full speed and began to edge closer to the convoy. I was able to determine that it had rearranged itself. The four remaining merchants €" two of them damaged and smoking heavily €" were in the center and the four escorts were in a diamond formation around them. The convoy was also beginning to move away from Luftwaffe range, so I decided that I was only going to get one more attack. I went to flank speed to get into ambush position. Shortly thereafter, the southern point of the diamond, a J-type DD began to run an outward search pattern. I changed course slightly south but maintained speed. I watched the DD closely, breathing a sigh of relief as it began to turn away. Moments later, it heeled over and started a high speed run straight for me. It commenced fire at long range. I dove and went silent. The escort also slowed but continued in my general direction. I decided to engage. When the escort came within 1,000 meters I fired a close spread from Tubes II & III. Both torpedoes hit.
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Now down to one torpedo, I returned to base.

Praetorian_Elite
01-14-2006, 12:25 PM
Amazing. I have yet to see anything come from my contact reports I give close to German held lands.

That's one thing I need to see, and also a battleship or carrier or something.

paulhager
01-14-2006, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Praetorian_Elite:
Amazing. I have yet to see anything come from my contact reports I give close to German held lands.

That's one thing I need to see, and also a battleship or carrier or something.

Give it time. I've encountered everything but a CV (fleet carrier).

I now think that it is possible to get air support against the convoys coming into Liverpool from the U.S. Generally, BdU doesn't report these convoys - you have to spot them by making hydrophone checks. You would have to contact the convoy and shadow it into shallow water, which would also put you in RAF range. That area is very heavily patrolled by the Royal Navy so even a late 1940/early 1941 operation would be somewhat dangerous. Still, if the Luftwaffe created a lot of cripples it could pay substantial dividends. I figure any convoy withing 400 km of land can potentially be attacked. FW-200 Condors have very long range but other than in the Artic and the Med, I've never seen them attack.

Grrbob25
01-14-2006, 03:41 PM
80K!!!! R U KIDDING ME!!! IVE ONLY GOT 53K FOR EVERY MISSION ON IM ON MY 19th PATROL!!!!!!!

paulhager
01-14-2006, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by Grrbob25:
80K!!!! R U KIDDING ME!!! IVE ONLY GOT 53K FOR EVERY MISSION ON IM ON MY 19th PATROL!!!!!!!

The Luftwaffe was very helpful, as you can see. The air attacks damaged a number of ships which, with one exception, I was able to dispatch easily with single torpedoes. I think I ended up burning 3 torpedoes on that "damaged" C2 right at the end. I might have had a shot at 100K if not for that.

Interestingly, I did manage 100K twice in this career in early 1941. Freakishly good weather and liberal use of the deck gun made it possible. It is fair to say that the accuracy and ease of use of the deck gun is a bit unrealistic.

I'm currently on Murmansk patrol #5. I've sunk 5 tankers - 3 T3's and 2 T2's - in two separate convoys at a cost of 11 torpedoes. I'm currently shadowing a convoy, and have received an acknowledge from BdU so I'm hoping for the Luftwaffe to help me out. Will I hit 100K? Probably not, but 80K is beginning to look like a good possibility.

So long as the Luftwaffe continues to be of assistance, I think it more than offsets the renown hit that comes from not going to the designated PZ.

WilhelmSchulz.
01-14-2006, 06:51 PM
Can you give links to the other attacks this it the first one I bothered to read. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

paulhager
01-14-2006, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
Can you give links to the other attacks this it the first one I bothered to read. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Happy to oblige.

<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
<LI>Murmansk #1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/857101043/m/1391013693) - this is where I discovered that one can call in the Luftwaffe. I didn't get any interesting pictures of an attack in progress but the weather was fairly bad most of the time.
<LI>Murmansk #2 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/857101043/m/3011086693) - this time I did get some screen shots.
<LI>Murmansk #3 (last part) (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/857101043/m/8261045793) - this has the pointer to part 2 right at the start. Part 1 is just the screenshot of the initial BdU report.
[/list]

In Murmansk #4, I was most successful in taking advantage of the Luftwaffe. Currently, in Murmansk #5, my "pace" is better than #4.

paulhager
01-14-2006, 10:02 PM
RE: Murmansk #5. I ended up getting just over 70K but the Luftwaffe never was involved. The longer nights were a factor - I had to be in Luftwaffe range in the daytime. Arranging for that was taking a lot of time so I made a sundown attack and burned up a bunch of torpedoes to sink two C3's. Result: just over 70K.

Have started Murmansk #6 but it's November, very little daylight, and I'm in the midst of a storm. I doubt the Luftwaffe will be of any use at all until spring 1943.

paulhager
01-15-2006, 05:04 PM
RE: Murmansk #6. I ignored a small convoy returning from Russia but after several weeks of waiting, no large convoy materialized. I decided to go to my assigned patrol zone - DT something-or-other. I continued along the probable convoy axis but still didn't contact anything. Ended up making a convoy attack when I reached the AL grid. I made a couple of attacks, sank two T3's and a troop transport but was eventually chased off by DD's.

I'm now in #7 - early Feb 1943. Have fired 8 torpedoes for 1 C3 and one T3. The lead DD - a J-type - appears to have radar. It's getting tougher ...

paulhager
01-16-2006, 12:08 AM
I completed Murmansk #7 - here are a couple of screenshots.

After a very bad start, I ended up sinking 60K. It helps to have 24 hours of darkness €¦ actually 20 hours of darkness and 4 hours of twilight. Having FaT€s also helped€¦

This shot was from my second attack. In my first attack I fired 6 torpedoes and got 1 hit but it did sink a T3 tanker. In the second attack I got a better position and fired a FaT each at the remaining T3 and T2 tankers. I was just outside the screen, and this J-type DD was passing in front at close range. All torpedoes hit, sinking the T3 and DD. The T2 was slowed. I bagged it later.
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After my third attack I damaged 2 C3€s. One was put dead in the water and I was able to easily dispatch it. The other was making 4 or 5 knots. I eventually got in position and hit it with a spread. This screenshot is right after I fired the spread.
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doug.d
01-16-2006, 12:20 AM
A good collaborative action and some good pics, well done Paul. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I've yet to see the flyboys actually sink anything in career mode, although I've seen it in single mission mode (they sank the C2 I was hiding under which came down on my head, handing my now damaged U-boat to the DD's circling around! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

paulhager
01-16-2006, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by doug.d:
A good collaborative action and some good pics, well done Paul. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I've yet to see the flyboys actually sink anything in career mode, although I've seen it in single mission mode (they sank the C2 I was hiding under which came down on my head, handing my now damaged U-boat to the DD's circling around! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif)

When I did a stint in the Med in a previous career, I saw ships sunk by aircraft.

In the various Murmansk mission I've seen ships badly damaged and gotten screenshots of same. Fortunately, I always managed to sink the cripples before the aircraft did.

paulhager
01-16-2006, 05:31 PM
Murmansk #8

Action, early March, 1943.

This time, no report from BdU. Picked up convoy on sound check. It was roughly an hour after sunrise. I decided to attack but I had to reposition. When I dove, the SO picked up an escort closing at high speed. It was a J-type, which frequently (always?) leads the Murmansk convoys. It had probably picked me up on radar although my radar warning had not sounded. I went quiet and waited. The DD slowed and I hit it with a spread at 800-900 meters. One torp hit. I decided to close on the convoy from the front. When I raised the scope, I saw that it was under attack. Here€s the only screenshot I got. The attack had just ended and a plane was in the process of crashing.
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Since the escorts had been busy dealing with the attack, I was able to get in good position for my attack. Then I made the mistake of starting my engines before the flank escort had passed. I had just fired FaT€s at the two T3 tankers and a spread at the T2, when the escort started pinging me. It turned for its attack run. I barely had time to fire a €œKentucky Windage€ spread from the stern tubes and crash dive. One of the torpedoes hit the escort. One of the FaT€s missed and never hit anything. At least two torpedoes hit an intervening C3 and sank it. Not sure what happened to the fourth torpedo €" it may have hit the C3 as well.

In the process of eluding the escorts, I saw the symbols for sunk ships and saw the two escorts and the C3. I also saw a grayed-out symbol. I was able to determine that the Luftwaffe had sunk the port rear corner ship, probably a Liberty.

After that fiasco of an attack, I repositioned for a night attack. Here€s a shot of the convoy shortly before sundown. This picture shows another cargo ship damaged by the air attack.
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Here is a shot through the periscope as the convoy approaches. You can just barely make out a couple of cargo ships.
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This attack went much better. Both T3€s were hit by FaT€s, one sank. One torpedo hit the T2, the other missed but hit a C2 in the bow. Both the damaged C2 and T3 were slowed down, but the T2 wasn€t.
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I was ultimately able to sink both the T3 and C2 but at that point I decided to break off the action and return to base as I was going to be hard pressed to catch the convoy and I had again been profligate of torpedoes. Score was around 40K.

The_Silent_O
01-17-2006, 09:16 AM
Great shot on the last destroyer kill...you caught it in mid blast!

Funny I was just reading last night about how capable the JU-88 was...during the PQ-17 debacle, the JU-88A-4s were fitted with torpedo racks and did damage or sink many ships this way...it looks like yours are dive bombing...also a know capability. I believe they belonged to KG 100 based in Norway. Later on the torpedo versions became known as JU-88A-17 and could carry two torpedos side by side.


Next career I'm going to work my way up to the Murmansk convoys!

paulhager
01-17-2006, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by The_Silent_O:
Great shot on the last destroyer kill...you caught it in mid blast!

Funny I was just reading last night about how capable the JU-88 was...during the PQ-17 debacle, the JU-88A-4s were fitted with torpedo racks and did damage or sink many ships this way...it looks like yours are dive bombing...also a know capability. I believe they belonged to KG 100 based in Norway. Later on the torpedo versions became known as JU-88A-17 and could carry two torpedos side by side.


To my knowledge, the game doesn't model torpedo-carrying aircraft, which is too bad. Of course, in the event of a torpedo attack, the correct tactic would be for the convoy to turn away - might play hob with a U-boat attack taking place at the same time.



Next career I'm going to work my way up to the Murmansk convoys!

It does make for interesting action. You can have several patrols in a row in which night action is guaranteed, then several in a row in which it is nothing but day action but with possible Luftwaffe support.

When you know you're only going to attack at night, you can load up on the steam FaT's. When its day only, probably T-III electrics is the way to go. I bought two electric FaT's and I think they were ultimately a waste of renown because I ended up using them like standard electrics.

Trydan
01-17-2006, 11:32 AM
Hi Paul... well done on all those patrols. I've now completed two artic patrols, with plenty of success but not when it comes to combined force operations.

I did my missions in June and August of 1943. In the first, I didn't find a convoy before running low on fuel, but I did cross paths with a German Taskforce (namely Tirpitz, Prinz Eugen and three Typ-34 destroyers). Here's a screen shot (click on it for an enlargement).

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/184/tirpitz3xa.th.jpg (http://img482.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tirpitz3xa.jpg)

In the second mission, I did encounter a convoy, but despite radioing every 12 hours, nothing showed up to help me destroy it. In the end I sank just over 70k tonnes, before returning to Narvik.

In that convoy, there was an escort carrier, two Dido cruisers, three Hunt destroyers and two flower corvettes were trailing about 100km behind (odd). I made a point of destroying all the warships first, before moving onto the Liberty ships. I figured that if a task force or the Luftwaffe turned up, they'd appreciate it if I'd already knocked out the convoy elements that could return fire. I was more interested in wiping out the entire convoy, rather than getting a personal high-score. (I've loads of screen shots, but I think that Paul's a generally more spectacular.)

Anyway, nothing turned up... so maybe next time.

paulhager
01-17-2006, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by Trydan:
Hi Paul... well done on all those patrols. I've now completed two artic patrols, with plenty of success but not when it comes to combined force operations.

I did my missions in June and August of 1943. In the first, I didn't find a convoy before running low on fuel, but I did cross paths with a German Taskforce (namely Tirpitz, Prinz Eugen and three Typ-34 destroyers). Here's a screen shot (click on it for an enlargement).

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/184/tirpitz3xa.th.jpg (http://img482.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tirpitz3xa.jpg)

Most impressive.



In the second mission, I did encounter a convoy, but despite radioing every 12 hours, nothing showed up to help me destroy it. In the end I sank just over 70k tonnes, before returning to Narvik.

In that convoy, there was an escort carrier, two Dido cruisers, three Hunt destroyers and two flower corvettes were trailing about 100km behind (odd). I made a point of destroying all the warships first, before moving onto the Liberty ships. I figured that if a task force or the Luftwaffe turned up, they'd appreciate it if I'd already knocked out the convoy elements that could return fire. I was more interested in wiping out the entire convoy, rather than getting a personal high-score. (I've loads of screen shots, but I think that Paul's a generally more spectacular.)

Anyway, nothing turned up... so maybe next time.

I have a suspicion from your description of the CVE and cruisers that you're running a mod. The only Mod I have is the sensor mod and whatever came with it. Everything else is plain vanilla.

I have wondered whether or not hunter-killer CVE TF's show up in the far north. I've been too busy attacking convoys to go check.

Cragger
01-17-2006, 06:50 PM
I only allow the crew to use the deckgun, I find the accuracy and effectiveness of it far more realistic then.

Trydan
01-18-2006, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by paulhager:
I have a suspicion from your description of the CVE and cruisers that you're running a mod. The only Mod I have is the sensor mod and whatever came with it. Everything else is plain vanilla. Yes, I am running some mods... my configuration (in order of installation) is:
SH3 + Patch-1.4 + Seew¶lfe + RuB-1.44.