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SeaFireLIV
02-02-2008, 03:06 AM
Some may know of my saga in finding a new joystick after my Sidewinder died a miserable, agonising death.

I went through several joysticks including the Extreme Wingman Pro by logitec, the ST290 by saitek and a couple of others. Itried to get an X45 off ebay, but got instantly out bid, a couger hotas - outbid. just too expensive.

Then I saw a relatively cheap stick for under £30 - an AV8R... by Saitek again. Even though my last Saitek just didn`t seem to work right with my aircraft in IL2 I was interested still.

Well, I love this stick. It has numerous buttons that look like something off the front of a WWII aircraft, plus a main switch which I now use to switch my engine on/off. It has 2 separate throttle controls which are incredibly useful and most of all the joystick response is just right!

I dunno what it is about the stick, but it immediately improved my flying on and offline. I was getting kills again and outmanoevering aircraft, just like in the old days, even in my beloved I16.

It`s not Force feedback and the silly redlight is not needed, but this is a GREAT cheap stick.

I`m gonna buy another one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

slipBall
02-02-2008, 03:11 AM
Good find http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif...enjoy

Friendly_flyer
02-02-2008, 03:16 AM
This one?

http://news.mydrivers.com/img/20070404/11413484.jpg

It looks good! I got a Saitek X45 (with throttle) cheaply off a friend, and though it works well, I'm bothered by the modern look.

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2008, 03:20 AM
Yea, that`s the one. the handle looks simple and I was anooyed at first because your hand will slip down the stick sometimes, but then I spotted a handrest that was hidden in the box. excellent!

I dunno if it`ll suit everyone - It`s very light, but I still really like it, especially since my flying`s back to how it should be again.

Mercanario
02-02-2008, 04:10 AM
ive liked the look of the AV8R for a while, but like so many good things you just cant get them in Australia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

F19_Orheim
02-02-2008, 05:11 AM
twist rudder?

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2008, 05:43 AM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
twist rudder?

I gues you mean if it has a twist rudder or what is the twist rudder like?

It has a twist rudder, but I don`t useit since I have pedals.

leitmotiv
02-02-2008, 05:48 AM
"I had one fitted in my 109 and shot down half of 11 Group in one mission. Twist rudder? Ach, of course I use a twist rudder. Do you think I'm one of those elitist prats who use pedals?!"

http://www.elknet.pl/acestory/foto/bar1.jpg

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2008, 05:54 AM
yawn. Did someone just post something? No, nothing.

leitmotiv
02-02-2008, 06:01 AM
http://www.new-pup.com/images/standard-poodle.jpg

Deedsundone
02-02-2008, 06:02 AM
Got it too,although canĀ“t really decide to use it or the Evo stick.Like all buttons on the avaiator but the evo have a better handrest and pov hat.Got a handrest of an old broken Evo and thinking to put it on the aviator but a bit afraid to break it,although I got two of those aviators http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif (double order,didnĀ“t bother to send it back)
Overall itĀ“s a nice stick.

JG52Uther
02-02-2008, 06:59 AM
It is an interesting stick,but the twisty rudder bothers me.How 'hard' is the twist function,as I too use pedals and don't really need that.It would be nice if you could lock the twist function.

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2008, 07:06 AM
I use the Saitek programming software to neutralise the rudder twist completely by adding loads of deadzone. Works a treat.



Guess Leitmotiv doesn`t like me any more. Well that`s my life complete then. And the poodle response to everyone is getting sad now, m8. Really. Surely you can think of something more original with that dry wit of yours.

JG52Uther
02-02-2008, 07:17 AM
Thanks SeaFire! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sokol__1
02-02-2008, 08:17 AM
Radical AV8R "mod".

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2083/av8rmodva3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I dont know where the stick handle was put... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Sokol1

Bearcat99
02-02-2008, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by Sokol__1:
Radical AV8R "mod".

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2083/av8rmodva3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I dont know where the stick handle was put... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Sokol1

Man Sokol.. thatsd interesting... you do know that you were the inspiration for my Franken45 right.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hey Seafire since you already have pedals a very good function for the Saitek twist rudder is rudder trim. Why waste the function by disabling it right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif It is instinctive (trim on the twist) and using the Saitek software you can band the Z axis so that is functions as a switch. If you band it so that there is say a 15% band on either end with a 70% null zone in the middle it will work like a champ. Just use whatever Yaw indicator your plane has.. I am assuming you are a Spitfire fan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Look here in this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1031054785) for details of how to do it. In that thread I banded my X-45's rocker so that it would work my flaps.. but the same principle applies to any axis on a Saitek stick that can be banded.. just assign L & R rudder to either end and use the ball as your guide. I use the rotary on my X-45 for that so I can get more precise.. but if I had a stick with a twist rudder and pedals I would definitely use the twist for trim. I wish I could find a way to assign that axis to my MS stick in a banded fashion but all I can do is assign the twist on that stick to a HOTAS.

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2008, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sokol__1:
Radical AV8R "mod".

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2083/av8rmodva3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I dont know where the stick handle was put... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Sokol1

Man Sokol.. thatsd interesting... you do know that you were the inspiration for my Franken45 right.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Hey Seafire since you already have pedals a very good function for the Saitek twist rudder is rudder trim. Why waste the function by disabling it right? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif It is instinctive (trim on the twist) and using the Saitek software you can band the Z axis so that is functions as a switch. If you band it so that there is say a 15% band on either end with a 70% null zone in the middle it will work like a champ. Just use whatever Yaw indicator your plane has.. I am assuming you are a Spitfire fan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Look here in this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/1031054785) for details of how to do it. In that thread I banded my X-45's rocker so that it would work my flaps.. but the same principle applies to any axis on a Saitek stick that can be banded.. just assign L & R rudder to either end and use the ball as your guide. I use the rotary on my X-45 for that so I can get more precise.. but if I had a stick with a twist rudder and pedals I would definitely use the twist for trim. I wish I could find a way to assign that axis to my MS stick in a banded fashion but all I can do is assign the twist on that stick to a HOTAS. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never really thought of doing that. i`ll give it a try. Cheers.

@Sokol__1

I`m actually buying a second stick to do something very similar. I intend to use the second stick as just an extra set of switches and throttle after removing the handle part.

Ernst_Bremmer
02-02-2008, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
but this is a GREAT cheap stick. I`m gonna buy another one. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've had a Saitek AV8R ever since they came out, love the simplicity and the layout!

Bearcat99
02-02-2008, 10:06 AM
One question about the Av8r.... are the two throttles two seperate axii or are they just one axis with two controls?

Deedsundone
02-02-2008, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
One question about the Av8r.... are the two throttles two seperate axii or are they just one axis with two controls?

Two seperate ones.

fabianfred
02-02-2008, 10:17 AM
I've had an AV8R for 9 months now...its great

Two axis BC...one I use for elevator trim

I do not like a very stiff stick with strong spring centreing force....so i disabled it on mine...by lifting the sprung collar right up to the top compressing the spring...and super-glued it in place...

now I have a MSFFBSW2 I have my aviator on top of the desk...facing away from me...so I use the two sliders for rudder trim and prop pitch...which face towards me...

haven't gone as far as cutting it in half though...lol

I've been used to twist rudder since my Logitech days

Chivas
02-02-2008, 10:47 AM
The Aviator is a great stick. I use one as a backup for my MSFF2. It has the precision and some of the feel of the MS stick.

You might want to try an easy mod for the stick to strengthen the spring and stop the spring plate from slapping against the base. I cut out a peice of thick neoprene rubber (approx 3/8 to 5/16 inches thick) in the shape of washer and pulled it over the top of the stick and down under the spring plate. It increased the tension of the spring and nicely smoothed out the sticks operation at its extremes.

zardozid
02-02-2008, 12:22 PM
It's funny you posted this, at this time...I just ordered one. I'm glad to hear they work so well. The main selling point for me (at this time) was the price. (I was thinking of saving-up and buying a M$FFSW joystick)...thanks

Bearcat99
02-02-2008, 12:28 PM
Hmmmm the AV8R woukld make a great throttle quadrant. Cut it in half and take the X & Y pots and the switches on the stick and remount them... You have a 4 axis throttle with what..... 7 switches and a hat switch? If my modfied X-45 ever dies since I sold my spare I might just get an AV8R and modify it.

SeaFireLIV
02-02-2008, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Chivas:
The Aviator is a great stick. I use one as a backup for my MSFF2. It has the precision and some of the feel of the MS stick..

Maybe that`s it. It does `feel` the closest to my former sidewinder.



Originally posted by Chivas:
You might want to try an easy mod for the stick to strengthen the spring and stop the spring plate from slapping against the base. I cut out a peice of thick neoprene rubber (approx 3/8 to 5/16 inches thick) in the shape of washer and pulled it over the top of the stick and down under the spring plate. It increased the tension of the spring and nicely smoothed out the sticks operation at its extremes.

Good info. cheers. it`s good to give info and get back too!

TSmoke
02-02-2008, 08:38 PM
Looks like this stick is finally getting some recognition, it's a cheaply priced stick, but dead accurate.

Had mine for 14 months now, not a problem. It replaces the MSFFB2's that I have gathering dust. Best stick ever!

biggs222
02-02-2008, 08:58 PM
i still use keyboard buttons for rudders... does that make me a bad person? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

tagTaken2
02-02-2008, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Mercanario:
ive liked the look of the AV8R for a while, but like so many good things you just cant get them in Australia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

If you live near Melbourne, I've seen the AV8R in a PC shop in Elizabeth St.
Unless you're out in the sticks, it's always worth checking where products are shipped from. I've saved $60+ postage before just by taking a train across to the distribution centre.

fabianfred
02-03-2008, 12:46 AM
I bought mine (two now) from an ebay dealer in the UK and he sent them to me in thailand within a week

fabianfred
02-03-2008, 12:52 AM
http://212.124.199.72:8080/FCIProject/ge-tec_018.htm

this is hoped to be available for the Aviator too one day...to have the use of both throttles

Mercanario
02-03-2008, 02:19 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Saitek-Aviator-Computer-Joystick...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Saitek-Aviator-Computer-Joystick-AV8R01-PC-Game-Control_W0QQitemZ250211731717QQihZ015QQcategoryZ36 77QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

tagTaken2
02-03-2008, 03:07 AM
Screw it, get this:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MICROSOFT-sidewinder-precision-2...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MICROSOFT-sidewinder-precision-2-JOYSTICK-USB_W0QQitemZ330209047285QQihZ014QQcategoryZ130738 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Best joystick I've owned, hands-down.

x6BL_Brando
02-03-2008, 05:28 AM
I think I'll look out for one as well now that I've seen the cut-up pics. That's a very cool idea Sokol and thanks for sharing it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I use a CH Hotas that I constructed from a pair of Fightersticks that I melded together, using the second set of stick axes configured to the three trims and the throttle mounted in the stick. It gives me nearly 200 potential button commands (if I could ever remember them) and is truly HOTAS in the important moments, like when I'm in the middle of a hot action needing FOV changes, trim, mix, supercharger, flaps and all the rest without taking my eyes out of the screen http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

But, like anyone with a dedicated simpit I am always in need of buttons, rotary and flick-switches, and levers. It's one thing to think Joystick2/Mode3/shift/button11=tailhook - and much simpler and more natural to reach out and flick a switch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I hope the switches and pots are fairly rugged. If so this will be a very useful addition - now where's that hacksaw? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Brando

Sillius_Sodus
02-03-2008, 01:01 PM
Get two AV8TR's, use one for pitch and roll, the other for rudder. It takes a bit of getting used to but you'll find that shooting accuracy will improve. With a twist rudder it's very hard not to have a bit of rudder input when you move the stick around in pitch and yaw, which throws your aim off.

Good hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

M_Gunz
02-03-2008, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by biggs222:
i still use keyboard buttons for rudders... does that make me a bad person? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

No but you must have a hard time keeping the ball centered.

M_Gunz
02-03-2008, 03:18 PM
Still using an X-52 but I have a brother who asked about the AV8R, and what I hear is GOOD.

Question: how do they hold up over time?

SeaFireLIV
02-03-2008, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by M_Gunz:


Question: how do they hold up over time?

Well, that`s the question isn`t it? That`s the only question for me too, though some seem to have done ok with it.

Flieger7
02-03-2008, 04:45 PM
ur lucky the cougar was to much money! ive gone through 2 cougars and every time the x and y axis wears out within a week

Chivas
02-03-2008, 05:46 PM
Originally posted by Flieger7:
ur lucky the cougar was to much money! ive gone through 2 cougars and every time the x and y axis wears out within a week

Put the Cougar Joystick under your desk and just use the throttle inconjuction with a decent stick. Unless you can afford to Uber Mod it.

Intel 6850 @3.8gig
4gigs of Corsair DDR2-1066 PC 8500
Nvidia 7900GTX
Multisync FP2141SB
MSFF2
Cougar Throttle
Saitek Pro Rudder pedals
Voice Activation Controls

http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/e/8/1/120773/picture010-0.jpg

zardozid
02-03-2008, 05:54 PM
(thinking out loud...) I really have to get myself some rudder pedals. My game suffers...

Phobia337
02-04-2008, 10:53 AM
I love my AV8R.

Only complaint is placment of throttle, being on backside of stick is not the best idea but it does work.

Left side placment would of been much better and closer to my old MSFF.

zardozid
02-05-2008, 10:29 AM
My "Aviator" just arrived in the mail...I got it out of the box and gave it a test spin (I use windows drivers)...in a word, nice! The "Aviator" is a very accurate and comfortable stick...it's going to take me a few sorties before I'm used to the button placement, but thats natural.

The big thing this stick is missing (not the sticks fault) is "Force Feedback"...I (now) have no feel for the fighters "stall point". The stick is accurate and smooth, but its amazing how much information about my flight I got through the "Force Feedback" information...I miss it!

Does anyone know anything about the "Micro $ofty" Force Feedback sticks (http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=27947627&extid=Froogle) that are being sold on the web??? Are these "new old stock"?

Urufu_Shinjiro
02-05-2008, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by zardozid:
My "Aviator" just arrived in the mail...I got it out of the box and gave it a test spin (I use windows drivers)...in a word, nice! The "Aviator" is a very accurate and comfortable stick...it's going to take me a few sorties before I'm used to the button placement, but thats natural.

The big thing this stick is missing (not the sticks fault) is "Force Feedback"...I (now) have no feel for the fighters "stall point". The stick is accurate and smooth, but its amazing how much information about my flight I got through the "Force Feedback" information...I miss it!

Does anyone know anything about the "Micro $ofty" Force Feedback sticks (http://www.gogamer.com/viewproduct.htm?productId=27947627&extid=Froogle) that are being sold on the web??? Are these "new old stock"?

Rgr, they got ahold of a warehouse full of them that had just been sitting around new in box.

Chivas
02-05-2008, 11:29 AM
The one I bought was brand new, about a year ago.