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neural_dream
06-28-2010, 04:34 AM
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sww2/il2t.html

What's your view?

Waldo.Pepper
06-28-2010, 11:47 AM
The link you posted is pretty clear I think.

One unit field modded the Il-2 in 1944 to carry the torpedo by removing the 20mm and ammo, and beefing up the landing gears so that the plane can carry a weapon that normally exceeds the payload limit of the plane by some 200 kilos.

There is no documentary record of the Il-2t's production/modification (nothing.) Only the testimony of some Veterans. There is room for skepticism as there is no paper trail of the unit that is reputed to have used torpedoes having ordering the weapons as they were used in combat. The article mentions their existence in a few books. But that is it.

VW-IceFire
06-29-2010, 02:43 PM
Sounds reasonably plausible. There are so many examples of field modifications to aircraft in all of the air forces during the war. From the early modified B-25 gunships and hot rodded P-47s to these IL-2s. It certainly happened elsewhere... so I suppose it could here too.

Weird that the IL-2 representation doesn't have the removed cannons.

Romanator21
06-29-2010, 02:53 PM
The Il-2 T has no cannons and reduced loadout for the the ShKAS guns, so it matches the description.

M_Gunz
06-29-2010, 05:20 PM
I was reading earlier today in a Secret Weapons book that only 12 6-pounder equipped Mossies were ever made,
that a switch to rockets ended the conversions and only one squadron got them.

TinyTim
06-30-2010, 10:44 AM
The 45-36-AN torpedo weighted 940 kg - this appears to be quite a lot for an ordinary Il-2. Besides cannons and ammo they'd probably have to remove some of the armor too to make this kind of external loadout feasible. Normal IL-2 carried 700kg of armor (!) with 600kg as an absolute max. bombload (already designated as "overload"), where 4 out of 6 FAB-100 100kg bombs were carried internally. So, at least 350kg needed to be freed up in order to carry the torpedo externally. The Volkov Yartsev VYa-23 cannons with ammo weighted about 200kg (70kg gun + 30kg ammo apiece), which leaves us with about 150kg of overloading (over "standard" overload http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif). Reducing ammo for ShKAS (only one pass is needed, and even this only to prevent AAA gunners from shooting), reducing fuel load if possible, and maybe taking off some of the side armour and you are there.

From this perspective at least we can see it could be done without drastic modifications.

VW-IceFire
06-30-2010, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Romanator21:
The Il-2 T has no cannons and reduced loadout for the the ShKAS guns, so it matches the description.
You're right... weird. I could have sworn it still had the cannons.

Tooz_69GIAP
06-30-2010, 11:41 AM
There is mention of the IL-2T modification in the book by Yefim Gordon and Sergey Komissarov: "Ilyushin IL-2 and IL-10 Shturmovik".

Although it does say in the single column on page 57 that "this information has been contested by some Russian aviation historians who are extremely sceptical about the existence of the IL-2T. They point out that no documentary evidence to corroborate the use of torpedoes by IL-2s has been found."

Ba5tard5word
06-30-2010, 01:28 PM
Did the Russians engage in much naval warfare stuff? Did they sink any ships with torpedos?

Waldo.Pepper
06-30-2010, 09:14 PM
The original article/link. Translated into English(ish) and converted to PDF.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JFL4SNQC

Also on rapidshare.

http://rapidshare.com/files/404188441/IL-2t.pdf.html