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mariuszj1939
07-21-2008, 01:57 PM
It's very interested for me however British archives of Sikorski are still secret for next 42 years (extended till 2050 !) :
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/poland-exhumes-body-of-wwii-hero/80976/

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3826/churchilsikorski99838lap1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_Sikorski

mariuszj1939
07-21-2008, 01:57 PM
It's very interested for me however British archives of Sikorski are still secret for next 42 years (extended till 2050 !) :
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/poland-exhumes-body-of-wwii-hero/80976/

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3826/churchilsikorski99838lap1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82adys%C5%82aw_Sikorski

Celeon999
07-21-2008, 02:17 PM
Interesting. Until now, i didnt know that there was a mystery surrounding his death at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


There are so many other still unsolved ww2 mysteries. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Was there really a hidden Japanese submarine refit base hidden on mexican soil in ww2 ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Was the "Brandenburger" commando unit really working on a plan to kidnap Winston Churchill ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


Is there more to Rudolf Hess's famous "peace flight" to Britian ?


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mariuszj1939
07-21-2008, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:

Is there more to Rudolf Hess's famous "peace flight" to Britian ?


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rudolf Hess - That's reminded me - my first and the last West Berlin visit. We (my school friend and me) had almost no "western currency" and full day for sight-seeing of West Berlin /yes I still remember Berlin Wall and East Germans "uniformes"/ so we chosen ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- to see Spandau where was only one prisoner that time ... Rudolf Hess
Of course we have seen just British soldiers but ... after one month he suddenly died http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Messervy
07-21-2008, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's very interested for me however British archives of Sikorski are still secret for next 42 years (extended till 2050 !) : </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I allways loved Vinston for his way with the words, but more I read about WW ll and the archieves being unveiled, bloodiier his hands appear.

mariuszj1939
11-12-2008, 05:47 AM
Gen. Sikorski body will be exhumed on the last day on November. During several hours all tests (incl. comp. tomograph, toxic test, DNA etc) will be done and later on official 3rd funeral on Wawel castle is planned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wawel
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3578/sikorskiqc7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Realjambo
11-12-2008, 09:10 AM
Fascinating reading, thanks for sharing Mariuszj! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Mittelwaechter
11-12-2008, 09:53 AM
Thanks for sharing! You can allways learn something in here...

K_Freddie
11-13-2008, 03:25 AM
If govs keep it secret, it means they've got something to hide. Extending the secret means something very very dirty is at hand.

Generally keeping it secret until the last culprit has died, be it natural death or imposed, so that there is nobody else to blame - Someone like Bush will use 'Plausible Deniability' when his time comes. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Heinrich505
11-13-2008, 12:08 PM
Very interesting. I am presently reading a book by Gregor Dallas, entitled 1945, The War That Never Ended, and in it, Dallas makes a very convincing argument that the crash was not an accident, and was engineered by the Soviets (read that...Stalin) to ultimately derail the Polish attempts to escape the absorbing of their shattered country by the hungry Red Bear.

The same sort of planning by local French Communist organizations was being considered to off de Gaulle, but they never came to fruition, and the Polish "question" was far more important to Stalin at the time. He could afford to wait and watch the rest of Europe crumble while his organizations eroded them from within.

It is an extremely interesting book, and brings up some embarrassing points about repatriation, and certain things the West allowed to happen that shaped the course of history and allowed the famous "Iron Curtain."

While Churchill's hands were certainly bloody, Roosevelts were equally bloody due to his inaction and infatuation with "Uncle Joe" as a misunderstood regular guy - just ignore his murderous streak and people will forget it.....

I'd highly recommend the book, although it doesn't have anything about U-Boats in it...yes, I know, a definite turn off, heh heh.

Heinrich505

mariuszj1939
11-13-2008, 02:34 PM
Thanks Heinrich505,

I'm not surprised "engineered by the Soviets (read that...Stalin)".
Will revert with official info after exhume.

BTW - Excellent story and a lot of hidden info you can find in American authors book
(also not connected to u-boot) - I recommend it as one of the best I ever read :
http://www.lynneolson.com/questionofhonor/

klcarroll
11-13-2008, 02:43 PM
The whole world loves "Conspiracy Theories".

Just remember two things:

1) The more distant the event, the easier it is to create the appearance of a mystery.

2) REAL conspiracies fail at a geometrically increasing rate, .....tied to the number of people who know the secret, and the amount of time since the event.

If one person knows a secret, you have a chance of keeping it so. If two people know a secret, it may stay a secret for a couple of months. If three people know the secret, it will last only a matter of weeks: .....If four or more are "in the know" .....forget about it!!!

klcarroll

NaKacu
11-13-2008, 09:12 PM
Mariusz and Heinrich505

thanks for the tips! I was just going to take a break from "Aaaaaalarm!" type of books and the two suggestions sound very good.

Thanks guys!

f14driver
11-15-2008, 02:42 AM
16 seconds after take off........
Wasn't Socko's Uboat near Gibraltar at that time ???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
I think I read that somewhere....... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

mariuszj1939
11-25-2008, 07:32 AM
Today was opened Sikorski's grave in Cracow
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6429/ekshumacjagenerala29791zo3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4282/ekshumacjagenerala29801fp3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2654/ekshumacjagenerala29801iz0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
His picture from 1940-41
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/5492/generalsikorski2976196di5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
and first funeral
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/2753/generalsikorski2976205py8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Realjambo
11-25-2008, 08:03 AM
Thanks for sharing, Marisuzj - Have the engineers lifted the stone casing up and onto the grey metal frame in the photo's? That must have been quite a weight!

mariuszj1939
11-25-2008, 10:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
Thanks for sharing, Marisuzj - Have the engineers lifted the stone casing up and onto the grey metal frame in the photo's? That must have been quite a weight! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Weight of cover - 2 tons !

mariuszj1939
01-29-2009, 07:44 AM
Official info in today newspapers :

General Sikorski's body is in 99,2 % his body after several DNA tests. He died in plane accident - no poison or similar substances found.
He was no shot, killed by knife etc ...
So no secret anymore ...
below picture of his skull and old picture with famous Polish fighter pilots in UK
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7926/sikorsfu3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/149/05tologetshonorec8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Heinrich505
01-29-2009, 10:08 PM
Mariusj,
Thanks for the follow-up. I was very curious on the outcome. So, no smoking gun, eh. Now we should focus on how the Soviets managed to get the plane to crash....hmmm.....

Heinrich505

mariuszj1939
01-30-2009, 01:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Heinrich505:
Mariusj,
Thanks for the follow-up. I was very curious on the outcome. So, no smoking gun, eh. Now we should focus on how the Soviets managed to get the plane to crash....hmmm.....

Heinrich505 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, This is not the end of story
Now we know : Sikorski's body is his own and he died but nobody knowns where he finally died
in this plane or in other place ...
Unfortunately, now after so many years it's impossible to check kind of water (salt or fresh) in his body ...
We're still waiting for British secret reports prepared after accident and other materials
stored in archivas (of course we can forget about Russian)...
Bodies of 4 plane's crew will be checked additonally (if possible) to compare with Sikorski damages.
One thing is very interesting - British authorities refused plane's producer to pull out parts of Liberator for final checking/testing ...
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http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/407/z6215880xee5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)