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Renegade_50
09-27-2004, 06:37 AM
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Well After reading the list of WIP Planes for PF I can certainly tell you none of the 25 Folks that we sim with will be buying this garbage. The fact that there is NO intention to format a PLAYER JOINABLE BOMBARDIER postion is bad enough. But to not have any of the Heavy BOMBERS as FLYABLE makes this game the laughing stock of our gaming community. But your right this is a DOG FIGHT GAME so just drop all the bombers and youll have more room for biplanes, zepplins and stuff. ALSO if none of you have noticed the Torpedo planes are all AI too.
Ya know if i ran into Oleg id pick him up by his n u t z and drop him on his head. Thats what Bomber Pilots do to Fighter Jocks that get in thier way. oh and this is my opinion it in no way reflects the Official opinion or postion of the Renegade_Commandos " Online gaming group.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif wasted game potential.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif Points at all the replies that put the B-17 into play. I never cried about any B-17. Nor did i say anything about 10 gunstations id be happy with a bombardier in the planes we have but go ahead morons put words in my post. then scroll up and see if they are there. And im sure Ivan can attest to the fact that im not a habitual whiner and i dont cry because the whatever plane was without it's special butt pad or some crap. ALL im saying is that 1C Does have the resources to model the game correctly but they CHOOSE not to. PERIOD. So keep buying Thier second rate product and they will sell you another each year until they retire. If we all pulled together they would have to to some or all that we ask. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Renegade_50
09-27-2004, 06:37 AM
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Well After reading the list of WIP Planes for PF I can certainly tell you none of the 25 Folks that we sim with will be buying this garbage. The fact that there is NO intention to format a PLAYER JOINABLE BOMBARDIER postion is bad enough. But to not have any of the Heavy BOMBERS as FLYABLE makes this game the laughing stock of our gaming community. But your right this is a DOG FIGHT GAME so just drop all the bombers and youll have more room for biplanes, zepplins and stuff. ALSO if none of you have noticed the Torpedo planes are all AI too.
Ya know if i ran into Oleg id pick him up by his n u t z and drop him on his head. Thats what Bomber Pilots do to Fighter Jocks that get in thier way. oh and this is my opinion it in no way reflects the Official opinion or postion of the Renegade_Commandos " Online gaming group.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif wasted game potential.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif Points at all the replies that put the B-17 into play. I never cried about any B-17. Nor did i say anything about 10 gunstations id be happy with a bombardier in the planes we have but go ahead morons put words in my post. then scroll up and see if they are there. And im sure Ivan can attest to the fact that im not a habitual whiner and i dont cry because the whatever plane was without it's special butt pad or some crap. ALL im saying is that 1C Does have the resources to model the game correctly but they CHOOSE not to. PERIOD. So keep buying Thier second rate product and they will sell you another each year until they retire. If we all pulled together they would have to to some or all that we ask. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

JG53Frankyboy
09-27-2004, 06:42 AM
the IJNAF listed the G4M as a heavy bomber http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

csThor
09-27-2004, 06:55 AM
You know I find the steady insistance on the inclusion of a B17/24-type bomber into FB/PF quite amusing. On the other hand I have to shake my head at the steady ignorance of the highly important fact that <span class="ev_code_RED">the largest currently available map</span> (Gulf of Finland) is barely sufficient to simulate the use of tactical (read = medium) bombers (and we have no idea how big the maps in PF are). What are you going to do with the heavies - run three rings around the map just to gain alt? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

VW-IceFire
09-27-2004, 07:05 AM
I used to have sympathy but with the plethora of twin engined medium bombers being available and in such quantity...I hardly do.

There is a project to model a B-17 (and a Lancaster) afoot but it takes a bloody long time.

actionhank1786
09-27-2004, 07:22 AM
Consider the fact that any one position on a heavy bomber (read: gunner's stations, bombardier stations, navigation room) is in itself a small cockpit. Why would he want to blow what could be 10 other planes, on one large plane that only a handful of people would ever get to know?
Maybe in a later patch you'll get one, but for now, be happy with what you have

Tully__
09-27-2004, 07:30 AM
Japan gets Betty

Allies get Havoc and Mitchell

A cockpit takes as long to model (longer for some planes) as the aircraft exterior.

B-17 and B-29 have 10 crew positions, that's 4-5 times longer to model than one flyable fighter. Lancaster, B-24 etc. would take similarly long. As someone above pointed out, modelling these heavies would not be economical in time terms (and I suspect in money terms either, as most of the sales appeal is in the fighter aircraft).

While I share your disappointment to some extent, I think you're over-reacting. Much of the pleasure to be had from bombing can be had in the mediums already available. I agree that it'd be nice to have a bombardier as a seperate position, but with the current game engine there are good technical reasons why this hasn't been done (ie: it wouldn't work). The game developers are well aware of the demand for this sort of flying and will no doubt include it in later sims if the time/money economics allow.

triggerhappyfin
09-27-2004, 07:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by csThor:
You know I find the steady insistance on the inclusion of a B17/24-type bomber into FB/PF quite amusing. On the other hand I have to shake my head at the steady ignorance of the highly important fact that <span class="ev_code_RED">_the largest currently available map_</span> (Gulf of Finland) is barely sufficient to simulate the use of tactical (read = medium) bombers (and we have no idea how big the maps in PF are). <span class="ev_code_RED">What are you going to do with the heavies - run three rings around the map just to gain alt?</span> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually this was what the allies did during WW2.
Circeling around over England gaining alt and forming up.
The germans could spot them circeling on their radars and were alerted early.

Jetdoc_5th
09-27-2004, 08:30 AM
just figures asual the Fighters get their toys because it is so easly to model a fighter but Bombers are just to hard this is supposed to be the #1 flight sim give us a break you cry babies fighter pukes you could not have gutts to fly bomber hold it on course and drop a load on target and the Bomber Boys get kicked in the Teeth again. Come on no more exuces the data is there put a team on it and put the Bombers in it make this the very best ever that the entire world can sit up and say WOW !!!!! did you hear this they have the most complete Flight ever it has Flyable Bombers,Fighters,NightFighters,DiveBombers,and Torp.Bombers. Make it so everyone will be scracing their heads and saying I wish we thought of that then you can say you own the Flight sim world

IV_JG51_Razor
09-27-2004, 08:54 AM
Very mature post there renegade. You represent your group well. I hope the rest are as well behaved as you. Maybe you just need a little nappy, or some grahm crackers and milk?

Tully__
09-27-2004, 08:56 AM
Jetdoc, you're volunteering to pay the wages of this "team"?

Flight sims are not a big money product, total sales are less than 10% of those achieved by a reasonably succesful fps game. It is just not possible to throw buckets of money at development the way some of the fps developers can. The development team have to make some hard decisions about where the available staff and time can be spent if we're not going to wait until 2025 for the game to be ready for release.

Edit: btw, it'd be good if you could cut about 250 pixels of the right hand side of your sig, it's too wide for the forum default at it's current width (on a 1024x768 desktop resolution).

402Cdn.Valkyrie
09-27-2004, 09:30 AM
He,good post Renegade... Why dont you try and read up on some of the threads and not just whine when you dont get your way?

Try and look here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=220100052), and i dislike very much that you blame this on Oleg and his team.. If YOU are so cleaver then why dont you just make the cockpits and gunstations for the heavy bombers? I'm sure Oleg would take em in and make em flyable.

TAGERT.
09-27-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Renegade_50:
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Well After reading the list of WIP Planes for PF I can certainly tell you none of the 25 Folks that we sim with will be buying this garbage. The fact that there is NO intention to format a PLAYER JOINABLE BOMBARDIER postion is bad enough. But to not have any of the Heavy BOMBERS as FLYABLE makes this game the laughing stock of our gaming community. But your right this is a DOG FIGHT GAME so just drop all the bombers and youll have more room for biplanes, zepplins and stuff. ALSO if none of you have noticed the Torpedo planes are all AI too.
Ya know if i ran into Oleg id pick him up by his n u t z and drop him on his head. Thats what Bomber Pilots do to Fighter Jocks that get in thier way. oh and this is my opinion it in no way reflects the Official opinion or postion of the Renegade_Commandos " Online gaming group.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif wasted game potential. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dont get me wrong here.. I would LOVE to be able to fly a B17 in this game.. But you are really need to stop and smell the rosese sometimes.. And when you do, take a deep breath and NOTE that when PF comes out this so called FIGHTER SIMULATION has more flyable bombers in it then any WWII sim ever sold in the last 5 years... If not ever.. Maybe Air Warrior had more.. but it was more of an online pay to play product.

So, be a man.. and ACK like a real WWII bomber pilot and STHU an deal with it!

csThor
09-27-2004, 10:40 AM
Jetdoc you make it sound as if someone just has to snap with his fingers and magically talented modellers/researchers/artists pop up in an empty office along with the necessary computers, the software and other financial ressources. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Jippo and Dietger worked over two years to complete the Ju 88 (some 15 months alone researching the required documentation) - a smaller aircraft compared to B-17/24/29. The amount of time/manpower/ressources swallowed by multi-engined planes is 4-5 times larger than that of a single-engined plane. Look how long the 3rd party team worked on the Bf 110 G-2 - we saw rather complete cockpit shots roughly a year before its release!!!

crazyivan1970
09-27-2004, 10:55 AM
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The190Flyer
09-27-2004, 10:56 AM
good call tagert, geez renegade have a cow man. It's not the end of the world just because your beloved B-17 is not modeled for cockpit or gunner positions, you'll just have to deal with it. Just think of the time that Oleg and crew have put into this new game and appreciate it. I would love to have fortresses and Liberators too but, oh well so we dont have em, just fly em in AI mode. Sad that your not buying the game, I'm gonna eat it up the first day it comes out, I can't wait.

VW-IceFire
09-27-2004, 11:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TAGERT.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Renegade_50:
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Well After reading the list of WIP Planes for PF I can certainly tell you none of the 25 Folks that we sim with will be buying this garbage. The fact that there is NO intention to format a PLAYER JOINABLE BOMBARDIER postion is bad enough. But to not have any of the Heavy BOMBERS as FLYABLE makes this game the laughing stock of our gaming community. But your right this is a DOG FIGHT GAME so just drop all the bombers and youll have more room for biplanes, zepplins and stuff. ALSO if none of you have noticed the Torpedo planes are all AI too.
Ya know if i ran into Oleg id pick him up by his n u t z and drop him on his head. Thats what Bomber Pilots do to Fighter Jocks that get in thier way. oh and this is my opinion it in no way reflects the Official opinion or postion of the Renegade_Commandos " Online gaming group.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif wasted game potential. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dont get me wrong here.. I would LOVE to be able to fly a B17 in this game.. But you are really need to stop and smell the rosese sometimes.. And when you do, take a deep breath and NOTE that when PF comes out this so called FIGHTER SIMULATION has more flyable bombers in it then any WWII sim ever sold in the last 5 years... If not ever.. Maybe Air Warrior had more.. but it was more of an online pay to play product.

So, be a man.. and ACK like a real WWII bomber pilot and STHU an deal with it! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Agreed there. Someone find us another sim where this many bombers are flyable. The answer is that there are none.

There are more bombers in the upcoming PF that ever before. They aren't just fighter-bombers or carrier borne bombers...but full blown multi-station medium bombers used in level bombing, low altitude attack, anti-shipping, and a multitude of other purposes.

How about the Ju-88 thats coming with the multiple variants, armament combinations (including the machine gun sprinkler system), and so on.

So not including submodels and assuming that you have AEP+PF (plus upcoming patches) you will have:

G4M Betty (I think just one version)
B-25 (in multiple sub versions)
A-20 (in I believe 2 sub versions)
He-111 (two versions)
Ju-88 (a number of versions)
TB-3 (a number of versions including the parasite fighter version)
Pe-2 (probably a few minor sub-variants)

Thats alot of bombers coming or in progress.

NegativeGee
09-27-2004, 01:36 PM
This is one of those "is the glass 5% empty or is it 95% full" situations http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

goshikisen
09-27-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jetdoc_5th:
just figures asual the Fighters get their toys because it is so easly to model a fighter but Bombers are just to hard this is supposed to be the #1 flight sim give us a break you cry babies fighter pukes you could not have gutts to fly bomber hold it on course and drop a load on target and the Bomber Boys get kicked in the Teeth again. Come on no more exuces the data is there put a team on it and put the Bombers in it make this the very best ever that the entire world can sit up and say WOW !!!!! did you hear this they have the most complete Flight ever it has Flyable Bombers,Fighters,NightFighters,DiveBombers,and Torp.Bombers. Make it so everyone will be scracing their heads and saying I wish we thought of that then you can say you own the Flight sim world <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is great stream of conciousness stuff... you missed your true calling as a beat poet. It must bother you that you were born almost 50 years too late. Get this man a pair of shades, a beret, and a taxi ride to the nearest coffee house.

AtomicRunt
09-27-2004, 02:26 PM
Hate to see what a couple well flown BeauFighters and B-25's could do to a target. Ever looked at what a Mk21 could carry?

olaleier
09-27-2004, 02:42 PM
Rumours say flyable B-24 in first patch, but since they can't please you be telling all their plans before the game is out and the work is done, I suggest you don't buy the game and stop posting on the forums.

VW-IceFire
09-27-2004, 03:19 PM
Wow? B-24? Flyable? Thats out of the dark. Would be immensley cool.

LEXX_Luthor
09-27-2004, 04:33 PM
I was (choke) wrong.

Granted 2 engine bombers are easier to make, and more useful tactically over battlefield, but I forgot TB~3 was one of my Faves. So yes, 4 engine bombers are needed too.

3 engine Italian bombers also needed (or...i can't handle 3D max).

darkhorizon11
09-27-2004, 05:13 PM
"Well After reading the list of WIP Planes for PF I can certainly tell you none of the 25 Folks that we sim with will be buying this garbage. The fact that there is NO intention to format a PLAYER JOINABLE BOMBARDIER postion is bad enough. But to not have any of the Heavy BOMBERS as FLYABLE makes this game the laughing stock of our gaming community. But your right this is a DOG FIGHT GAME so just drop all the bombers and youll have more room for biplanes, zepplins and stuff. ALSO if none of you have noticed the Torpedo planes are all AI too.
Ya know if i ran into Oleg id pick him up by his n u t z and drop him on his head. Thats what Bomber Pilots do to Fighter Jocks that get in thier way. oh and this is my opinion it in no way reflects the Official opinion or postion of the Renegade_Commandos " Online gaming group.

wasted game potential."


Geez, everyone else is all sad about this guy not playing. I'm glad, just one less ret@rd to deal with. Grow up cowboy, the world does not revolve around your expectations. I guarantee two months from now you come onto this forum and everyone else will be posting how much fun they're having playing PF and you'll go out and buy it yourself.

Another note: If you ever wanna be taken seriously son, don't threaten too hold the chief designer of the game upside down by his nuts. It makes you look stupid.

Were not laughing with you, were laughing at you.

flyingbullseye
09-27-2004, 05:17 PM
Well I guess I will put my two cents worth in this subject. I might remind some that most if not all the US Army fighters in this game and some of the Japanese planes are already done in FB. If the heavies are not done now then as long as they are modeled in the patch and mentioned to be done in the patch I will be happy. So far the game looks great and since I have interest in more than just the heavies I can't wait to get some flight time in that F4U!!

GT182
09-27-2004, 06:46 PM
Besides, you won't get a workable Norden in any of the US heavies, or B-25s and A-20s, so why bother having them in PF. AI will be good enough for them.

Sorry but I'm spoiled with the Norden in B17 Flying Fortress "The Mighty 8th". It isn't the real workable Norden, but as close as us dummies can get unless we want 12 weeks or more of schooling to use it the way it was meant to be.

Snootles
09-27-2004, 08:51 PM
Why wouldn't it be possible? I don't know anything about the Norden, except that it was considered TOP SECRET.

Jason Bourne
09-27-2004, 09:12 PM
yah, even though the german bomb sites were actually better from about 1942ish onward. Also, on the bomber front, I read somewhere thta there will actually be a separate CD with twin engine bombers on it, i asked for confermation, am yet to get it.

xTHRUDx
09-27-2004, 09:35 PM
i think there is a good chunk of the community that would be happy with the pilots station and just the bomb site of the heavies. the gunners' stations can be built in later patches.

Copperhead310th
09-27-2004, 11:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
i think there is a good chunk of the community that would be happy with the pilots station and just the bomb site of the heavies. the gunners' stations can be built in later patches. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

can't belive i read 2 whole pages of this thread.

You know that actually makes sence thrud.

As the Co of the 380th Bomb Group i hear my pilots whining and *****ing all the time about the lack of our B-24's. Or any flyble US Bomber for that matter. <span class="ev_code_RED">But none of them come on the boards and make an *** of themselves the way Renagade just did.</span>
way to slit an atom there Einstien. good job. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

We've been flying tb-3's and he-111's and Ai B-25's/17's. it's all we have. so we make due with what oleg gives us. and that's that.
Same with our Night fighter squadron.
we're flying p-38L's (makeshift p-38 M's), and as soon as PF hits the shelf, ai P-61's & A-20's (p-70). and
ai b-24's for the bomb group. and b-25's in pit.
I want flyble heavies as much as anyone. and there will be a good use for them.
LOL just ask one of the TX guys what a flight of 380th BG b-17's did to the TX server one night. we were 10+ strong and in formation.
Un- Stopble. Look it's like this.
we getting the bombers. it's just taking time.
takes a lot of time , money , and resources to do one of these right and Oleg tries never to do anything in half messures. Just look at the sim we have. it's the best there is. BAR NONE.
and it still has a long way to go. I'll still be playing this sim long after BoB gets old and dusty on the shelf. (one only Maddox product i don't plane to purchase- lack of interst)
So i stress that we need to be very paitnt.
Fellow bomber jocks....our day will come. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TAGERT.
09-27-2004, 11:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
i think there is a good chunk of the community that would be happy with the pilots station and just the bomb site of the heavies. the gunners' stations can be built in later patches. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Heck.. at this point I would be happy if they just enabled the WONDER WOMAN view as the default cockpit and gun position views.. And use the He111 bomb sight as a default.. On All the AI bombers until their cockpits are done. This would open up alot of opertunitys for some cool missions.. THAT and we could than have more realistic server settings when you make use of AI bombers. That is to say if we had the WONDER WOMAN view enabled as the cockpit view.. Then we could disable externals because you could now fly the bombers from the interal WONDER WOMAN view. Granted, it is a FUDGE until the cockpits are done.. Granted the FM's for most AI bombers are not up to standards.. But it is an OPTION that you can CHOOSE to use or not use.

609IAP_Recon
09-28-2004, 06:02 AM
I understand his sediment, although his approach is lacking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But, to shed some positive light - as mentioned, we are getting some medium bombers and they tend to fit in with the gameplay well.

The idea of a pe2, ju88, b25, betty, a20 - wow.

Although I do get cynical about what we will and won't recieved - ie. when is the 'bomber' addon patch coming with the pe2 and ju88?

But, again, a positive light - at least they are on the radar screen now, it's been a long time coming!

carguy_
09-28-2004, 07:55 AM
From my point of view maybe 10% of AEP gamers are bomber pilots.

Ofcourse besides fighters people love to fly two-engined aircraft such as P38 or Me110 but that`s it.As I see it nobody wants to sit there for 30minutes just to get shot down by flak.

Call me ignorant,but I don`t understand why should anyone waste so much resources for such a small group.

camped69
09-28-2004, 08:36 AM
What. No Liberator? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wseivelod
09-28-2004, 10:29 AM
Ya know, an early B-17 C or D would probably be easier to model then the late model ones. Besides, I would love to see a flyable D because of it's beautiful curves. It has less crew positions, too.

1.Pilot
2.Belly/tub Gunner
3.Left Waist Gunner
4.Right Waist Gunner
5.Top Rear Gunner
6.Bombsight

There ya go.... SIX positions, two being almost identical. I realize referrences for early model B-17 interiors might be hard to find, but I know they are out there and the B-17 would be flyable for a variety of situations;

1. B-17s were used to ferry Gen. MacArther to Darwin from the Philipines.
2. B-17Cs were first used by the British in 1940 (or maybe it was '41) against Germany from altitudes as high as 32,000 FT., and even faced BF-109E's and H's
3. Early anti-shipping raids were carried out by B-17Ds.

So, there is my argument on why we should have the early B-17 modeled first.

Thud-487BS
09-28-2004, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Call me ignorant,but I don`t understand why should anyone waste so much resources for such a small group. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Build it and they will come.

Available Bombers, 128 player capable DF servers, and cooperation between Fighter & Bomber Squadrons. Sounds to me like one heck of an immersive game.

alky_6
09-28-2004, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GT182:
Sorry but I'm spoiled with the Norden in B17 Flying Fortress "The Mighty 8th". It isn't the real workable Norden, but as close as us dummies can get unless we want 12 weeks or more of schooling to use it the way it was meant to be. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Norden sight in Air Warrior was awesome, and very accurate from 30,000 ft http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Someone send the programmers of PF a copy of AW and let them hack it to see how it's done LOL.
They were doing heavy bombers with gunners and bomb sights over 10 years ago, programming for top end computers with 8 and 16 megs total memory LOL

Obi_Kwiet
09-28-2004, 06:07 PM
Let's see, we could have the B-17 and the B-29, or we could have the other AC in the PF theater. I'm sorry if this does not appeal to you and the 30 other people like you, who buy a sim just to fly for hours to your target and get back, but that's just too bad. If your so jolly well concerned about these AC, buy 3DSMAX and do them your self. Then you might appreciate the ammount of work that goes into those things. BTW, now that your quiting the IL2 series, what sim will you fly?

Aztek_Eagle
09-28-2004, 06:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
Jetdoc, you're volunteering to pay the wages of this "team"?

resolution). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dont we already do? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Jason Bourne
09-28-2004, 07:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Obi_Kwiet:
Let's see, we could have the B-17 and the B-29, or we could have the other AC in the PF theater. I'm sorry if this does not appeal to you and the 30 other people like you, who buy a sim just to fly for hours to your target and get back, but that's just too bad. If your so jolly well concerned about these AC, buy 3DSMAX and do them your self. Then you might appreciate the ammount of work that goes into those things. BTW, now that your quiting the IL2 series, what sim will you fly? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you want the other AC in PF, go get 3dsmax yourself and make them. the thing is, some people like to use bombers, and seeing that there will already be ALOT of fighters in game, it seems to me that it is ok to throw the bomber people a bone once in a while, and Aztek, yes we do already.

james_ander
09-28-2004, 08:25 PM
I think 1C should consider a bomber expansion pack. Maybe 4 to 5 bombers as well as a handful of single missions and campaign for each bomber. Charge an expansion pack price. That's it. Who wouldn't pay this just to have the bombers? I would, even I barely the fly what's there now, just to keep the collection complete. So they take a long time to develop fine. Charge us.

Copperhead310th
09-28-2004, 11:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thud-487BS:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
Call me ignorant,but I don`t understand why should anyone waste so much resources for such a small group. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Build it and they will come.

Available Bombers, 128 player capable DF servers, and cooperation between Fighter & Bomber Squadrons. Sounds to me like one heck of an immersive game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At last somebody gets it.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gifhit the nail on the head my man. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

csThor
09-29-2004, 12:01 AM
Honestly I do not think a 128 Player Dogfightserver will be a common sight at the Hyperlobby. The hardware ressources necessary for that are IMO a notch above what most of us could afford.

Thud-487BS
09-29-2004, 04:36 AM
Yep csThor, I tend to agree with you on that limit. I guess we'll know for sure once PF is released. Even so, half that limit would still make a fine game for bomber squadrons.

james_ander, I agree. A paid bomber expansion pack would definately pay off. Heck, add a few fighters in it to make the furballers happy too.