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NorrisMcWhirter
12-02-2004, 06:41 PM
Hi,

I thought the 190 problem where, when hit in the engine to cause a trail of thin brown smoke, the plane soon runs out of fuel had gone away. So, we are now back to the land of AEP where this 'rugged' fighter bomber is out of fuel within a few minutes because of a few hits to the engine compartment.

I wasn't aware that the 190 didn't have self sealing tanks..nor was I aware that the 190 had a fuel tank under the engine cowling. What with the reduced speed after dropping bomb bug, is 3.01/3.02 one step forward, two steps back?

And yes, I'll try to post some screens ASAP.

Cheers,
Norris

3.JG51_BigBear
12-02-2004, 07:06 PM
I got hit in a wing last night and it sealed right up. If the hole in the tank is too big it might not be able to seal. As far as a tank under the engine coweling, you might have been hit in the fuel line. These are just suggestions.

LLv34_Flanker
12-03-2004, 01:51 AM
S!

Since we are not able to switch fuel tanks or transfer fuel, any leak is disastrous. This partially due the fuel system is modelled as one tank...

JG5_UnKle
12-03-2004, 01:52 AM
I took a .50 cal hit from a P-38 in the wing and ran out of fuel in just under 4 minutes - didn't get a track of it though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif It was with a squad mate P-38J vs Fw-190 A-4.

I could see the vapour but figured I would be OK. Makes a heavy glider from 8000M I can tell you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

JG53Frankyboy
12-03-2004, 01:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG5_UnKle:
I took a .50 cal hit from a P-38 in the wing and ran out of fuel in just under 4 minutes - didn't get a track of it though http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif It was with a squad mate P-38J vs Fw-190 A-4.

I could see the fuel draining away as vapour but figured I would be OK. Makes a heavy glider from 8000M I can tell you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

sure about getting only a hit in the wing ?
Fw190s had no wingtanks . the whole fuel was in the fuselage below the pilot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
12-03-2004, 02:05 AM
all i can say.

cal 303 is enough.
i got 1 Cal 303 hit (Arcade 1) from an AI-Controlled Spit MKV it drained all my fuel within 3:40 minutes (i was flying with 100%).

NorrisMcWhirter
12-03-2004, 04:40 AM
Hi,

This bug isn't to do with the wings; I was hit in the engine cowling causing the aircraft to trail thin brown smoke.

No leaks were evident from the wings (certainly no vapour trails) which is expected as the tanks, as stated, are not there; they are underneath and slightly behind the pilot, proteced by armour plating and, as I understand it, were self sealing.

When you see the thin brown smoke, you run out of fuel..only seconds later. No self seal. No whiteish vapour trail except the thin brown smoke which implies engine damage only.

So, does the 190 have hits to the fuel lines modelled? If so, why is the same modelling not applied to other aircraft? I wasn't aware that the 190 had any particular problems in this department. Maybe it's a way of modelling the vunerable oil cooler just behind the prop but, if that is the case, why not have the engine overheat and seize instead of this??

This was in AEP but went away in v3.00 as far as I could tell. Now it's back again, it would seem. Odd, really, considering that the readmes say no changes have been made to the 190.

Cheers,
Norris

JG5_UnKle
12-03-2004, 06:27 AM
Sorry Norris, yes I took a hit in the nose area too - I could easily see the wing hits is what I meant to see.

Thin brown smoke trail, engine didn't have time to run rough as it ran out of gas http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

NorrisMcWhirter
12-03-2004, 06:37 AM
^ Aye...I was in the A4 at the time so I wonder if the problem is restricted to that version? I couldn't believe it when I saw the fuel gauge dropping again....I wisnae impressed!

Anyway, if I'm still alive after the protracted pub crawl (German 'acquaintances' over for a session http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) later today, I'll try to get some picture evidence over the w/e.

Cheers,
Norris

JG5_UnKle
12-03-2004, 07:29 AM
Yes, it was my squad mate that pointed it out as he was in prime position in his P-38 to see it.

I looked down at the fuel guage and could see it draining away! Pretty sure he only hit me with the .50's as a cannon round in the belly normally blows the fuel tank apart http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

p1ngu666
12-03-2004, 07:32 AM
u can get those *bad* fuel leaks in alot of planes now, get a grey smoke here...

imo, a "seal" should happen after a % of fuel has leaked, roughly of the amount THAT tank contained. i mean in zero and val especialy, ull drain ALL your fuel, despite seporate tanks..

and lancaster crews would pump fuel around to keep tanks equalish in fuel quanity, incase one got holed and leaked out, ud still have the rest...

so, we need to whine to have tank "seal" when its emputied itself, or as near to that as 1c can produce

BBB_Hyperion
12-03-2004, 09:22 AM
2 thinks to check.

1st
20 mm rounds can not be sealed if hit in fueltank thats correct.

50s rounds can not be sealed if hit in fueltank ?
normaly 5 minutes they should be gone except they add together at one place to a 20 mm round radius hard to check .)

2nd
Simulated different fuel tanks. If not possible to simulate all fueltanks just let as example for fw a random hit for fueltank 1 2 3 then empty this ammount of fuel and let the leaking end. Until new hit in 1 2 3 other than empty fueltank is a sosos solution but better than leak empty cause only 1 tank is simulated.

JG5_Emil
12-03-2004, 09:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG5_UnKle:
Yes, it was my squad mate that pointed it out as he was in prime position in his P-38 to see it.

I looked down at the fuel guage and could see it draining away! Pretty sure he only hit me with the .50's as a cannon round in the belly normally blows the fuel tank apart http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually UnKle there were at least three of the A4s flying out of 5 who were hit in this way. One or two 50 cal rounds produced the brown grey smoke and massive fuel leak. The wierd thing is I got vapor trails for a second then they stopped like the fuel tank itself sealed up. Very strange and a definate achilies heel in the FW190.

faustnik
12-03-2004, 10:12 AM
Yes, we have have adopted and instant RTB policy when you see a "fuel leak" warning. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif