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XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:18 PM
I have tried to obtain maximum speed with different planes and I never get it. For example according to game data bf109-g2 should reach 530 km/h at sea level. Well at 110% power, 120% mixture, radiators closed (to minimize drag), and propeller picht at maximum and I have only reached 510 km/h (perfect straight level flight at 50 mtr. or less of course).The same situation with the me-262;it should reach 830 km/h and I have only reached 780 km/h.... What am I doing wrong? or is it a bug of the game?
there can not be differences due to air speed indication at 50 mtrs or less....
What are the propeller picht and mixture adjustement for landing? is it critical to adjust propeller picht and mixture?...
I am sorry for such a long text.. thank you for the help

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 03:18 PM
I have tried to obtain maximum speed with different planes and I never get it. For example according to game data bf109-g2 should reach 530 km/h at sea level. Well at 110% power, 120% mixture, radiators closed (to minimize drag), and propeller picht at maximum and I have only reached 510 km/h (perfect straight level flight at 50 mtr. or less of course).The same situation with the me-262;it should reach 830 km/h and I have only reached 780 km/h.... What am I doing wrong? or is it a bug of the game?
there can not be differences due to air speed indication at 50 mtrs or less....
What are the propeller picht and mixture adjustement for landing? is it critical to adjust propeller picht and mixture?...
I am sorry for such a long text.. thank you for the help

XyZspineZyX
10-14-2003, 08:19 PM
Dont worry mate...everything is in order.



Much data of this kind is only hypothetical ( especially for german ww2 fighters) and refers only to new fighters directly from the productionline with everything optimal in optimal wetherconditions and so on.( optimal hypothetical conditions)(= optimistic)

Manuals do not count in that u cant run a battleworn engine in a worn airframe in battleconditions and less than ideal wether and environment ( and countles other things )at the optimal speed.

Also sometimes this optimal speed was only for a very limited time.

I have seen this info in many sources over the years ( have it in a recently read book, ill find it sooon)

Remember a text where the Russians inquired why german figures wasnt correct and the German answer was that they were "hypothetical"
( after the war)



So infact ... the performance was often worse and got worser in time. And many pilots had to go up in machines that were
scrapyardmaterial.( Heinz Knokes book " I flew for the f├╝rer" describes these unoptimal machines and conditions very well)

I havent read that much about the 262 but I think it was really unoptimal..............

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Buzz_25th
10-14-2003, 08:26 PM
Did you try no ammo, minimum fuel, and no wind?

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 03:35 PM
Ok, thank you for the answer, so I must asume that I am obtaining the best i can of my machine when I am flying with the step I am following...

XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 06:46 PM
Yea, but anybody notice the VVS planes get a lot closer to their published tops speed than the Germans?? Are we suprised??

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Buzz_25th
10-15-2003, 07:35 PM
mortoma

I guess you never tested the German planes pre patch? They all went 30-45 km/h faster than they should have. Were you complaining about that?

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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 07:39 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- mortoma
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- I guess you never tested the German planes pre
- patch? They all went 30-45 km/h faster than they
- should have. Were you complaining about that?



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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 10:00 PM
Sebasgalland,

Here is the link to IL2compare

http://www.barans.spb.ru/files/ilc_v21.zip

As far as my understanding goes; the program above will show in game performance capabilities for top speed, climb, and turn. You can check your capabilities against the specs from IL2compare. If you cannot reach the specs shown in IL2compare then the problem may be on your end.

If you want to check IL2/FB performance capabilities compared to actual documented performance capabilities here is the best source I've seen yet:

http://oldsite.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=98;t=004181;p=



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XyZspineZyX
10-15-2003, 11:12 PM
did you trim the plane as close to perfectly as you could? an untrimmed plane is in a constant skid/slip, dragging down your top speed. This might make a small difference. Elevator trim would be the most dramatic effect, but I suppose rudder trim would help too. I found an easy way to trim rudder as perfectly as possible... if you turn on level stabilizer and go to external view, you will see the plane slowly yaw, but since you know you are flying level (no roll) you can easily trim the rudder until the plane no longer yaws. This is a bit easier than using the ball thingy in the cockpit, especially since not all models planes have it.

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