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MrQBerrt
05-06-2005, 09:35 AM
I saw this (http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050505/55602.html) news post on Warbirds 2005, and wonderered if anyone in this community has played it and if its worth playing.

The news post says that you can play it for free from May 20-22. Maybe I'll give it a try if it's not too arcadish.

REDHAWK_1
05-06-2005, 05:27 PM
I played Warbirds for 3 years when it was called Warbirds 3 and IMPO it is the worst Flight Sim out there.
CFS3 is a lot better sim then Warbirds and that isnt saying much about it. Warbirds FM and DM is the pits and the community there are a bunch of snobs and very closed minded. So if I where u I wouldnt waste my time with the game. Also this is just a ply to get new blood into there sim. You want to pay between $14.00 to 20.00 a month to play on line and thier up dates are forced up date in which there is so many bugs in them that it takes four to sixs months to fix them and meanwhile ur PC crashes all the time from thier force up dates. Also there is no more then maybe a 100 people on line on a given good day. No THANKS I GOT BURN BY IEN and I wouldnt even recommand this Sim to my worest enemy. Yes Warbirds is the granda of sims,but it really started from the Air Warriors 1,2,3 Sims then they broke off and started IEN. Still I wouldnt recommand any one to try it, it be one big headach.

Enthor1
05-06-2005, 05:39 PM
Warbirds is the Granddaddy of online pay to play WWII flightsims.

It seems to have fallen on hard times lately.

If I were into pay to play I would prefer Aces High, which I did for a couple years before IL2 got here, but as long as they are having a free trial you may as well check it out and decide for yourself.

Bearcat99
05-06-2005, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Enthor1:
It seems to have fallen on hard times lately.


ALL WW2 sims hqave fallen on hard times.....

LONG LIVE THE KING!!!!!!!

JG52Karaya-X
05-07-2005, 02:11 AM
If you want to give an older Warbirds version a try check here:

http://www.wbfree.net/download.php

It's totally free (no monthly costs)... has a very broad planeset similar to the FB/AEP/PF. Yes it does have sh1t graphics but its very enjoyable.
Oh and: It has a FLYABLE TEMPEST! (to drag some attention to this)... oh and a SpitXIV... and a Mossie... and a I16Type29... and a He177... etc.

Have a look at my installation instructions for the info on the page itself is... weird

1) download "wb277r3full.exe" (top right corner) and install
2) download "FHLInstall_164R2.zip", unpack and install
3) download "wbart3support.exe" and install
4) download "iEN cockpits pack 1024", run the .exe and install

That's it... you can also download the following maps for extra fun:
"bobtrn.exe" (self installing) and "wbmed3.zip" (extract into the basic WB folder)

5) HAVE FUN!

PS: Don't forget to set your joystick
My settings are (for all 3-axis):
10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 85, 100

And set the resolution to 1024x768 (run the setup program - there you'll find it)

CreaseKeeper
05-07-2005, 03:28 AM
I started flying Warbirds back in the Ver .90 days. It progressed to 3d and numerous flyable planes, more than most sims. Then it just stopped progressing.. the flight models were OK, and I have to disagree with an earlier Post, CFS FM's are garbage compared to warbirds, but that's my opinion. The damage model sucks, it never progressed either.

The game got stale, but sometimes the joy of flying the B17, B24's and even the Betty are worth firing up an offline jaunt. You don't HAVE to pay to play, but you don't get much (hardly any) offline play other than drones and free flight.

It's not even close to sims now days.. if you're looking for latest and greatest, don't bother, but if you don't go into it with high expectaions, then you'll get to fly a ton of AC and maybe have some fun at it. It's no where near worth paying for anymore IMHO. it's a free download, though large, grab it, toy with it offline and see for yourself.


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Aaron_GT
05-07-2005, 05:28 AM
I used to love warbirds in the 2.7 days. But the move to Warbirds III/2004/2005 took a while, and the number of players fell off. And without the players it isn't much fun.

The online competition is Aces High, but the FMs feel a bit like flying on rails, and the action is still more like air quake, so I got bored of that too. A well run coop or DF server in IL2, even with less players, has more immersion than either AH or WB, to me anyway.

x6BL_Brando
05-07-2005, 08:22 AM
I also plyed WB for a few years, albeit in the Dawn of Aces arenas. The latter was the WW1 version, with Camels, Se5a's, Bristol F2b's and Spads....against Albatros', DVIII's, Dr1 triplanes and Halberstadt 2-seater's. There was even a rather superbly modelled Zeppelin - with a large number of highly effective (and usable) gunpositions. The FM was pretty good for anyone who had never flown, though the damage model wasn't very convincing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif After a fast, head-on pass the usual result was almost always the same. Your elevator got shot away! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Or, once a certain speed had been passed, your top wing flew off if you were flying an Albatros. Camels would automatically disintegrate if one pulled a fast, climbing turn and so on.........

All in all, the game got by on a lot of 'generalisations' of this kind, but it wasn't only the deficiecies of the game-engine that led to its ultimate demise. The real culprit was an almost total lack of support and willingness to make improvements that led to the stampede across to IL2-xxx. The original creators, iMagic, seem to have teamed up with iEn Corporation who were 'big' in the field of online gambling. They were not at all interested in developing the sim and possibly enlarging their clientele despite the fact that the minimum monthly subsciption was $10.00. Now that ain't much - but that was $120.00 a year (5 years ago) and actually more than twice what we have paid UbiSoft for Oleg & Co.s' constantly up-grading masterwork. Although DoA was a backwater in a way, never hugely popular with more than a hard core of around a hundred in its heyday; it's bigger brother Warbirds had a massive online fan-base. Some improvements were made there - a subscription totalling over a hundred thousand dollars must have some clout - but it was all too little too late.

Despite the shortcomings - ient's Totalsims is still using this sentence in its blurb for their projected BoB sim:
"You won't find an online WW2 sim that even comes close to what Warbirds offers." http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Then again...the projected release date was 2003!

Despite everything, the online community was pretty good. I met a number of the guys I still fly with back in those golden days, but I wouldn't let it near my hard-drive anymore.

Aaron_GT
05-07-2005, 09:18 AM
There still seem to be a lot of unfinished things in WB3/2004/2005 and bugs, poor sound quality performance, and so on.

One nice thing WB3 DOES have is a combined pan-and-lean system which is G limited.

It's on a par with Aces High - weather and aircraft model graphics a bit better, flight model a bit different, both a bit gamey. But without the players WB3 isn't much good. WB2 had rubbish graphics by modern standards but with the numbers of players it had on it was fantastic for its time.

IVJG51_Dart
05-07-2005, 09:44 AM
Warbirds...heh, once the king of the hill, now just a pimple on a gnats butt. I started flying back in pre-2.0 when it was $10/month for 5 hours and then $2/hr after.

It was fun...waaay back then, but they dropped the ball big time when iEN took over and development stalled out. Ticked a lot of veteran members off and folks started leaving the sim for greener pastures...you know the kind that actually support their sim? WTG! Oleg and 1C!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

x6BL_Brando
05-07-2005, 10:03 AM
Aaron, yes I agree with you. There was so much potential there, all wasted by the short-sighted approach of the games' owner, ient....exacerbated by their unwillingness to drop their Mac-using clients.

I remember meeting up with "Wild Bill" Steeley (the CEO of what is now TotalSims) and chatting with him during an average DoA evening. There were about twenty of us in the main arena and I truly believe he was enjoying himself. He asked my views on development and what else we would like (I think I was CO of the Black Lions then) and he did in fact set up a forum for questions and suggestions from the players shortly afterwards - similar to Oleg's Ready Room. The similarity ends there though - the forum didn't last more than 3 weeks in face of the onslaught of pent-up frustration from the pilots - and not much happened except a new version, with maps that looked like a ten-year old's effort with PlayDoh.

I want to say how much it makes me laugh (and get irritated too) when I see people constantly harping on about patches and new planes and why doesn't OM get off his backside and blah blah blah....
The only change I recall was the shortening of the effective gun-range in DoA. The guns were laser-accurate, and it was relatively easy to knock the tail off a plane at 500 yards, which effectively wrote off the early b'n'z planes like the Spads, Se5's and DV11's. It must have taken a year(!) to negotiate that one change with the management http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
There was a new map built by some long-term fans...nice but limited really....but we basically never got past the 10 varieties of plane that were in place when I joined.

So I remember it with fondness, but I wouldn't bother to engage again.

CreaseKeeper
05-07-2005, 01:46 PM
CO of the black lions??!?!?!?!? Sinbad, that YOU?!?!?!? OMG.... Haven't seen or heard from any Black Lions in YEARS!

I was a black lion in DoA for a couple years as well... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Went by sanman. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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x6BL_Brando
05-07-2005, 03:59 PM
Hey sanman http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

No. I'm not Sinbad. I took over from Simba a while after Sinbad went off to WB and other things. As we are now...6BL...we still field Cudgel, myself and Ttiger as regulars. Idonno still drops by occasionally...and Drem (Strider) and Dorset sometimes too!

What can I say? RRRROOOOAAARRRR!!!!

& <S!> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

CreaseKeeper
05-07-2005, 04:19 PM
too awesome... haven't talked with simba or cudgel in many moons... years in fact. I was one of the original RFC 6 members back in the good ol' 2d days.

Do me a favor M8, give Dorset and cudgel a big salute for me. I have been sitting here laughing and remembering when good ol' cudgel first started flying the F1 and how many 4 letter words came outta him while learning. It didn't take him long to be a force to be reckoned with.

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x6BL_Brando
05-08-2005, 03:36 AM
Hehe, he's still cussin''em outa the sky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I remember him being the Black Lions' secret weapon - and how he p1ssed the dark side off with his infernally high ping. They used to explode AFTER passing him, as his virtual bullets thudded into them when they thought they were clear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And once we went onto Roger Wilco, I swear you could hear him getting up to tighten the string and polish his tin can! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He must have had the worst ISP in Nova Scotia, and that's saying something. Late packets delivered by moose-back, an' all that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've passed on your regards....

<S> look out for us on HyperLobby

cudgel1937
05-08-2005, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
Hehe, he's still cussin''em outa the sky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I remember him being the Black Lions' secret weapon - and how he p1ssed the dark side off with his infernally high ping. They used to explode AFTER passing him, as his virtual bullets thudded into them when they thought they were clear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And once we went onto Roger Wilco, I swear you could hear him getting up to tighten the string and polish his tin can! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He must have had the worst ISP in Nova Scotia, and that's saying something. Late packets delivered by moose-back, an' all that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've passed on your regards....

<S> look out for us on HyperLobby

CreaseKeeper
05-08-2005, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by x6BL_Brando:
Hehe, he's still cussin''em outa the sky http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I remember him being the Black Lions' secret weapon - and how he p1ssed the dark side off with his infernally high ping. They used to explode AFTER passing him, as his virtual bullets thudded into them when they thought they were clear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

And once we went onto Roger Wilco, I swear you could hear him getting up to tighten the string and polish his tin can! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif He must have had the worst ISP in Nova Scotia, and that's saying something. Late packets delivered by moose-back, an' all that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I've passed on your regards....

<S> look out for us on HyperLobby

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I will m8, and I see cudgel started a reply. I had forgotten how some of the musketeers and Pigstompers would scream their streaks were ended or what not by him... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I remember the first days or RW well too. There were about 10 of us on RW, flying a WarBirds mission, and I think I caught every 4th word, i know it was english but excited brits are **** hard to understand. LOL

Will look for you guys on HL soon.

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cudgel1937
05-08-2005, 01:32 PM
Yup, piggies were the worst. Sanman, it really has been an awful long time. I had a ***** of a time with the F1 on take off's because of my ping and transferring from Easy Mode to Real Mode. But Sinbad would say, keep at it, it will come and revenge shall be OURS. He He must have been 12-13 years ago. Gooney flies in greater green and is one top stick in the Hurri. cheers mate....cudgel

CreaseKeeper
05-08-2005, 04:46 PM
yes, i remember fondly those days. I prayed you wouldn't give up on full realism when they removed the option to use easy mode, and you stuck with it, and mastered it.

Lookin forward to flyin with you guys again. Ever hear from those trouble makers sinbad and simba at all? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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cudgel1937
05-08-2005, 07:25 PM
Yes, Simba followed us into IL2 with the birdman, however he only stayed for about a month. In fact I just sent him an email last week. It never bounced, so I assume he received it. Sinbad just dropped right out of sight. No explanation at all. cudgel

LeadSpitter_
05-08-2005, 07:40 PM
warbirds 3 is great fun, its kind of like cfs2 without the cheats online bombs, so many flyables, manned flak gunners etc also 1000 player battle which nothing can really compair to except wwiiol with worse graphics.

I left it a couple years ago because i dont support monthly fees for games but did get a free giftcard for 12 months from a friend.

I dont think many play it anymore when i left the players were dwindling out 200-300 a server compaired to a couple servers with 1000 players each.

Its greatfun i have to admit more fun then fb aep pf but pay to play and graphics are not as good under 1000m but close to fb.

www.virtualpilots.fi (http://www.virtualpilots.fi) has some movies of the gameplay still i believe.