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ZappaTime
11-13-2009, 09:06 AM
see here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11006

JG52Uther
11-13-2009, 09:18 AM
Excellent!Weekly updates gives me a warm fuzzy feeling! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ZappaTime
11-13-2009, 09:21 AM
yes, me too - but they're so tantalisingly brief! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG52Uther
11-13-2009, 09:29 AM
I reckon they are a lot further forward than they are letting on.

thefruitbat
11-13-2009, 09:33 AM
Originally posted by JG52Uther:
I reckon they are a lot further forward than they are letting on.

+1

Choctaw111
11-13-2009, 10:25 AM
This is staring to feel so much like the old days, and this is a great feeling to have again.

Uufflakke
11-13-2009, 01:10 PM
At this link you will see an overview of SOW screenshots from 2005 till today:

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/sto...shots-november-2009/ (http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/storm-of-war-offizielle-screenshots-november-2009/)

Maybe useful for Major_Setback 'cause he used to collect every SOW image in his Photobucket account. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

wolf-striked
11-13-2009, 01:24 PM
While most won't care I am very into ground handling of planes.Il2 was a step forward and I would love to see this furthered in SOW.Stuff like realistic suspension with torque from engine.Realistic tire cohesion to road underhard braking etc..

And a big immersion breaker for me....the way that small rear tire can hold a plane centered on runway and once it loses contact with runway the plane swerves.Maybe at real low speeds it can control a bit of sideways movement but after a certain amount of speed it WILL start sliding on pavement.

VF-17_Jolly
11-13-2009, 02:12 PM
What campaign is BOB:SOW going to cover I don't seem to remember my Grandfather telling me when he was an ARP that when he looked up during an air raid, the sky was full of Italian Bombers with G.50 figher cover.
Oh and I am greatfull to Uufflakke for posting the link as the 1C pictures so are massivly slow i cannot see them

triad773
11-13-2009, 02:23 PM
Don't laugh (too much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Christmas wish for 2009: SoW BoB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

That'd be great indeed.

Meanwhile, the previews look fan tastic! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

staticline1
11-13-2009, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:
What campaign is BOB:SOW going to cover I don't seem to remember my Grandfather telling me when he was an ARP that when he looked up during an air raid, the sky was full of Italian Bombers with G.50 figher cover.

They were used later in the battle but were used none the less.
Quote from wiki:
In September 1940, 56° Stormo was formed, to operate during the Battle of Britain as part of the Corpo Aereo Italiano based in Belgium, with 18° Gruppo (Fiat CR.42) and 20° Gruppo (Squadriglie 351/352/353), commanded by Maggiore Mario Bonzano, equipped with Fiat G.50. Their use was hampered by their slow speed, open cockpits and short range. At the beginning of 1941, the C.A.I. came back in Italy, except for two G.50 Squadriglie that stayed in Belgium with Luftflotte 2, until April. While with the C.A.I. the Fiats flew 429 missioni-velivoli (missions), 34 escorts and 26 scrambles but could not manage to engage enemy aircraft. One aircraft was lost and seven more were damaged. While with Luftflotte 2, 20° Gruppo lost four additional fighters and two pilots were killed, while two G.50s were damaged by German fighters and flak.

VF-17_Jolly
11-13-2009, 02:30 PM
Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Hardly a massive presence

"while two G.50s were damaged by German fighters and flak."

Good grief did they just get in the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

AWL_Spinner
11-13-2009, 03:33 PM
I don't seem to remember my Grandfather telling me when he was an ARP that when he looked up during an air raid, the sky was full of Italian Bombers with G.50 figher cover.


Well, they showed up late, mounted a few ineffectual raids, got their backsides handed to them (I recall reading somewhere that after the first encounters, engaging RAF units were falling over themselves to bag the easy targets).

However, undeniably attractive planes and they were there (briefly), so all welcome. Although a flyable Defiant or Battle would certainly be more appropriate.




Time-Life Books, “Italy at War,” 1982, Chicago; pg. 83.

Luckless Bombers over Britain

Against the wishes of Adolf Hitler and the advice of his own generals, Benito Mussolini insisted that Italy participate in the Battle of Britain. The Duce feared that the War would end before Italy had a chance to impress its powerful German ally—and win sufficient glory for itself.

Thus in September of 1940, seventy-three Fiat BR.20 Stork medium bombers were based in German-occupied Belgium to join the attack on southeastern England, along with Fiat CR.42 Falco and G.50 Feccia (Arrow) fighters for escort and CAP.

The Italians soon wished they had remained at home. The bomber crews, miserable in the drizzly Belgian climate, had a hard time learning to fly in the equally soupy weather over the English Channel. The Storks themselves were no match for British attack planes and ground defenses; they were slow, under-gunned and cursed with fabric-covered wings that were easily shredded by enemy fire. And their fighter protection was inadequate.

The results were predictable, and embarrassing. In four months, the Storks flew only two daylight raids and a few night missions. They frequently carried bomb-loads of just 1,500 pounds per plane—and those few bombs fell more often in the sea or in coastal marshes than on their targets. In less than 300 hours of flying time, some 20 Storks—more than one fourth of the Italian force—were destroyed.

The Stork bombers and Falco and Freccia fighters (approximately 50 CR.42, and 48 G.50) of the CAI were supported by a small number of CANT Z.1007 Kingfisher medium bombers, which flew recon missions, and Caproni Ca.133 transport planes.

staticline1
11-13-2009, 11:11 PM
Originally posted by VF-17_Jolly:

"while two G.50s were damaged by German fighters and flak."

Good grief did they just get in the way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Sounds like what I do when my AI offline wingies get in the way. Either move or become a lawn dart, I won't discriminate . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

doraemil
11-13-2009, 11:26 PM
I know! Get out of muh way! Evil wingmen!


It's brief because Oleg's on vacation. Ah, the joy's of reading!


I love that seaplane, its beautiful and also the used look that g50 has. Just awesome.


I think someone (could be people) in Team D loves Italian planes, and since some are helping with BOB SOW, you're seeing Italian planes where ever historically they might show up, even if its a small contribution.

It was mentioned that next Team D IL-2 patch would have more Italian planes in it too.


Another reason is it was stated BOB SOW wants an extra dimension that no other BOB game has covered, and Italian planes is good place to start.

And I agree they are farther off than letting on also.


Hey though, gotta be thankful updates are rollin in.

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-14-2009, 02:13 AM
A good read while you wait (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chianti-Raiders-Extraordinary-Italian-Britain/dp/1861058292)

A better read, but don't hold your breath for this one (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Whirlwind-The-Westland-Whirlwind-Fighter-Bingham_W0QQitemZ220508864287QQihZ012QQcategoryZ29 391QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m444QQ_trkparmsZa lgo%3DCRX%26its%3DC%252BS%26itu%3DSI%252BUA%252BLM %252BLA%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63)

Xiolablu3
11-14-2009, 02:49 AM
Links not working for me?

Low_Flyer_MkIX
11-14-2009, 02:56 AM
1) Italian aeroplanes in BoB Pr0n widely available.
'The Chianti Raiders' by Peter Haining. A good read - interesting and often overlooked stuff.

2) Whirlwind Pr0n on Aussie e-bay.
'Whirlwind' by Victor Bingham. The best book ever written - kill for it if you have to.

major_setback
11-15-2009, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by Uufflakke:
At this link you will see an overview of SOW screenshots from 2005 till today:

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/sto...shots-november-2009/ (http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/storm-of-war-offizielle-screenshots-november-2009/)

Maybe useful for Major_Setback 'cause he used to collect every SOW image in his Photobucket account. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I stopped updating it as Foobar has everything now, plus lots more of his own great railway related WiP's. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Here it is though - with older WiP's:

http://s58.photobucket.com/albums/g260/restranger/

Jure_502
11-15-2009, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Links not working for me?

+1, no pics for me either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

VW-IceFire
11-15-2009, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I don't seem to remember my Grandfather telling me when he was an ARP that when he looked up during an air raid, the sky was full of Italian Bombers with G.50 figher cover.


Well, they showed up late, mounted a few ineffectual raids, got their backsides handed to them (I recall reading somewhere that after the first encounters, engaging RAF units were falling over themselves to bag the easy targets).

However, undeniably attractive planes and they were there (briefly), so all welcome. Although a flyable Defiant or Battle would certainly be more appropriate.




Time-Life Books, “Italy at War,” 1982, Chicago; pg. 83.

Luckless Bombers over Britain

Against the wishes of Adolf Hitler and the advice of his own generals, Benito Mussolini insisted that Italy participate in the Battle of Britain. The Duce feared that the War would end before Italy had a chance to impress its powerful German ally—and win sufficient glory for itself.

Thus in September of 1940, seventy-three Fiat BR.20 Stork medium bombers were based in German-occupied Belgium to join the attack on southeastern England, along with Fiat CR.42 Falco and G.50 Feccia (Arrow) fighters for escort and CAP.

The Italians soon wished they had remained at home. The bomber crews, miserable in the drizzly Belgian climate, had a hard time learning to fly in the equally soupy weather over the English Channel. The Storks themselves were no match for British attack planes and ground defenses; they were slow, under-gunned and cursed with fabric-covered wings that were easily shredded by enemy fire. And their fighter protection was inadequate.

The results were predictable, and embarrassing. In four months, the Storks flew only two daylight raids and a few night missions. They frequently carried bomb-loads of just 1,500 pounds per plane—and those few bombs fell more often in the sea or in coastal marshes than on their targets. In less than 300 hours of flying time, some 20 Storks—more than one fourth of the Italian force—were destroyed.

The Stork bombers and Falco and Freccia fighters (approximately 50 CR.42, and 48 G.50) of the CAI were supported by a small number of CANT Z.1007 Kingfisher medium bombers, which flew recon missions, and Caproni Ca.133 transport planes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
A Battle or a Defiant flyable would be nice, however, if Oleg is playing the long term game then modeling the G.50 now is potentially more useful. That can be used for future installments of the series on the Finnish Gulf or anywhere in the earlier North Africa/Mediterranean battles. I think the Br.20 was used fairly extensively as well. So I think there is some strategic value to setting these up now. The Defiant doesn't get much day use after 1940 and not much use at all after that.

I do demand a Battle if we do Battle of France sometime http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif