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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 05:31 PM
Allow me to explain;

if you shoot, let's say, the middle wagon of a train, this is what happens in IL2:

the locomotive and all the wagons up till the destroyed wagon will keep on going (seems realistic).

this is what happens in FB (out-of-box and after patch):

the entire train will come to a standstill, even if you only destroyed the last wagon (doesn't seem realistic).


Please, Oleg, if you are reading this post, please consider restoring train-behaviour to normal (original IL2).

Thanks! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 05:31 PM
Allow me to explain;

if you shoot, let's say, the middle wagon of a train, this is what happens in IL2:

the locomotive and all the wagons up till the destroyed wagon will keep on going (seems realistic).

this is what happens in FB (out-of-box and after patch):

the entire train will come to a standstill, even if you only destroyed the last wagon (doesn't seem realistic).


Please, Oleg, if you are reading this post, please consider restoring train-behaviour to normal (original IL2).

Thanks! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:14 PM
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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 10:20 PM
Nope, the train stopping is correct. I used to work for the Belgian railroads. A train brake works on air pressure. When the pressure in the brake pipes running across the entire train is lowered, the brakes start working.They use this system in case a coupler would break, the train and wagon stop otherwise the engineer wouldn't even know he has lost a car.

So if you blow up a wagon, this would rupture the brakepipe thus lowering the pressure and the train would come to a halt. Hope your getting this, english isn't my first language.


Message Edited on 09/04/0309:29PM by Torch506

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 11:24 PM
Torch506 wrote:
- Nope, the train stopping is correct. I used to work
- for the Belgian railroads. A train brake works on
- air pressure. When the pressure in the brake pipes
- running across the entire train is lowered, the
- brakes start working.They use this system in case a
- coupler would break, the train and wagon stop
- otherwise the engineer wouldn't even know he has
- lost a car.
-
- So if you blow up a wagon, this would rupture the
- brakepipe thus lowering the pressure and the train
- would come to a halt. Hope your getting this,
- english isn't my first language.

English is not my first language either but it's perfectly clear.
Thx for the info.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:13 PM
Torch506,

do you think that trains in WW2 already had this system in place? (just asking).

if not, please remember it is wartime and as such, normal guidelines don't apply (just thinking)

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 12:40 PM
Fresshness wrote:
- do you think that trains in WW2 already had this
- system in place? (just asking).

Yes, those systems equipped trains since WW1 !




Message Edited on 09/05/0304:40AM by Fastfreddy74

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 02:48 PM
Fastfreddy74 wrote:
- Fresshness wrote:
-- do you think that trains in WW2 already had this
-- system in place? (just asking).
-
- Yes, those systems equipped trains since WW1 !

Ok,

then,

I can be a big man about this, consider this thread obsolete! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:43 PM
They have been using this sytem for na long time. Some of the locs the belgium railroads use are more than 50 years old so I guess they allready used in ww2.

Oh and I'm happy to have helped you out on this one Freshness, this is the first time I actually know something better than you guys /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

edit: oops, didn't see your reply Fastfreddy74, since ww1 then didn't know that.

Message Edited on 09/05/0307:44PM by Torch506

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 08:54 PM
yeah, but wouldnt the people have to get out and un couple that wagon?

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 09:12 PM
Bobsqueek wrote:
- yeah, but wouldnt the people have to get out and un
- couple that wagon?

How do you mean? When it breaks obviously not and neither if you blow up the wagon because this would not only make the train stop but would prolly make it derail (and I am the derail-expert, that's why I USED to work with the railroads /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ) But for normal coupling/uncoupling, yes people have to get out there, infact that was my job, don't know how it's called in english, but in dutch it's called "rangeerder".


Message Edited on 09/05/0308:17PM by Torch506

XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 10:04 PM
You know what i find kind of strange? Trains explode when you hit them with a single 7.62mm round (except for the equipment train cars). Doesn't seem 100% realistic to me (understatement /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ).
It's good for my score though, being a IL2 pilot. One pass and it's one exploding/smoking mess.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2003, 11:11 PM
maybe the train stops course it let then ppl to run away form a train that is under attack.
and yes, train cars explode way too easy.
and little eyecandy would be nice on train engine itself.
when the steam engine is hit, it should then let the steams out like a big white cloud, now it just explodes and melts right away flat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-06-2003, 01:18 AM
ok,

so,

the only thing that remains truely unrealisticly (apart from the ok-fact that it's easily destroyable) is that the wheels don't move at all on the locomotive.

that gear sits still , and I don't think maglev was already invented and in fullscale use /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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