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dylanfrim
11-18-2011, 09:10 PM
i was watching a live stream of Frag Doll Friday, where they had UbiGabe as a guest. I asked gabe who the mysterious guy was at the end of Embers before Ezio dies!


Gabe said that "he's actually no body at all" proof below


http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6746/embers33.jpg

rileypoole1234
11-18-2011, 09:11 PM
I knew it! I think they put him in to let Ezio have one last insult before he died. I loved ACR and Embers. Cannot wait for AC3

dylanfrim
11-18-2011, 09:20 PM
im wondering what the point of the guy was

Altair661
11-18-2011, 09:54 PM
to show how Ezio had changed from his teenage years in AC2 and now in ACR

drillan
11-18-2011, 11:40 PM
I think that is Duccio? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He have the same clothes.

Silvrslide
11-19-2011, 01:40 PM
Maybe it is a metaphor then. The guy kind of reminded me of Ezio with his talk of women. The guy doesn't exactly exist, he is just more of an afterimage you could say. Ezio facing a young man(with a scar on his face I might add) that is who he was before the events of AC2. A womanizer, who wanted to get out of his city(don't know for sure if that parallels Ezio)

I find it hard to believe he just got poisoned. Even in that alley in Florence where the asian guy attacks Shao Jun, he sensed him. His instincts are sharp as ever he would have sensed danger.

iSapitntapit
11-19-2011, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by drillan:
I think that is Duccio? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He have the same clothes.

Nahh, you see Duccio in Revelations, he looks much older than that.

souNdwAve89
11-19-2011, 05:28 PM
I don't really like that then... I was hoping for that guy to have meaning to why he's there.

Off topic:

@ Silverslide: Ezio is NOT a womanizer and even the podcast members agrees too. Has there been ANY evidence that Ezio runs around having sex with random women and then dumping them off? Throughout Ezio's life, his real true love was Cristina and he remained faithful to her until the later half of his life. I see Ezio as a charmer, who is just good at speaking with women, but no womanizer.

Silvrslide
11-19-2011, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by souNdwAve89:


@ Silverslide: Ezio is NOT a womanizer and even the podcast members agrees too. Has there been ANY evidence that Ezio runs around having sex with random women and then dumping them off? Throughout Ezio's life, his real true love was Cristina and he remained faithful to her until the later half of his life. I see Ezio as a charmer, who is just good at speaking with women, but no womanizer.

woahdere hello to you too haha

womanizer was probably the wrong word, but the similarities between random scar guy and young ezio are there. Ezio is kind of a womanizer though. He's slept with, and flirted with a decent amount of women during AC2. Remember when he slept with that random girl because he won a race? I love Ezio's character, but he is kind of a womanizer.

Also, Ezio loved Christina, but he definetly wasn't ONLY faithful to her. We see him flirt with many chicks, and sleep with one as I mentioned before. I even remember Ezio's brother mentioning Ezio getting some courtesans or something too

Gil_217
11-20-2011, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by Silvrslide:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by souNdwAve89:


@ Silverslide: Ezio is NOT a womanizer and even the podcast members agrees too. Has there been ANY evidence that Ezio runs around having sex with random women and then dumping them off? Throughout Ezio's life, his real true love was Cristina and he remained faithful to her until the later half of his life. I see Ezio as a charmer, who is just good at speaking with women, but no womanizer.

woahdere hello to you too haha

womanizer was probably the wrong word, but the similarities between random scar guy and young ezio are there. Ezio is kind of a womanizer though. He's slept with, and flirted with a decent amount of women during AC2. Remember when he slept with that random girl because he won a race? I love Ezio's character, but he is kind of a womanizer.

Also, Ezio loved Christina, but he definetly wasn't ONLY faithful to her. We see him flirt with many chicks, and sleep with one as I mentioned before. I even remember Ezio's brother mentioning Ezio getting some courtesans or something too </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't forget that in the first mission of Ezio in AC II, when he's fighting Vieri de' Pazzi, he implied a sexual relationship with Vieri's sister, and that was around the time Ezio was dating Cristina. Ezio was a womanizer, and I love it.

KiShiDo
11-20-2011, 04:42 AM
Still don't get it, what they have spoken about? and why was he holding his hand and so on...

lukaszep
11-20-2011, 03:22 PM
At first i thought the guy was coming on to Ezio...and then Ezio said "maybe it's not the women that's the problem"..i got really confused http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

He was a bit random.

HanyouInuyasha
11-20-2011, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Gil_217http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifon't forget that in the first mission of Ezio in AC II, when he's fighting Vieri de' Pazzi, he implied a sexual relationship with Vieri's sister, and that was around the time Ezio was dating Cristina. Ezio was a womanizer, and I love it.


I think that was just a way of insulting him and not meant to be taken literally.

Gil_217
11-21-2011, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by HanyouInuyasha:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gil_217http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifon't forget that in the first mission of Ezio in AC II, when he's fighting Vieri de' Pazzi, he implied a sexual relationship with Vieri's sister, and that was around the time Ezio was dating Cristina. Ezio was a womanizer, and I love it.

I think that was just a way of insulting him and not meant to be taken literally. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course that's a possibility, but it can be true too. We'll never know, unless they say something about this in the Encyclopedia.

zerocooll21
11-21-2011, 06:52 AM
The dev's also mentioned that Ezio could have fathered other children and never knew about it.

Ezio = player in his younger days. They did it just as a "hey remember you use to be just like this". I agree there was something off about the whole interaction that would lead you to believe something else was going on but hey.

ghostferret
11-22-2011, 12:20 AM
I may be way off base, but when I watched, my first impression was that the guy was Death, or Ezio's vision of the Reaper. Because after he touches Ezio you see a flash of recognition in Ezio's face, as if he's just realized what's happened.

DavyJones777
11-22-2011, 09:58 AM
I don't believe this man was an illusion or trick of the mind. I can see where some would get this impression, but I fall into a different category of thought on this instance.

At around the point in the film at 18:07 or so, we see the underside of his bracer on his right arm, potentially JUST big enough to house a poison needle.

At around 18:27, Ezio has a coughing fit and the young man grabs his hand with the same hand on the same arm as the bracer. If one looks closely, you might see some type of long protruding implement just under his arm/wrist/hand that appears to extend into the back of Ezio's hand.

He states "Courage, old man," smiling a knowing smile.

Ezio stares at him, knowing what he's done. First he's angry, then the fear hits him. "Are they here for Sofia and Flavia?"

The man with the ending touch nods in a manner of confirmation in regards to what he's just done, but leaves without more than a curtious "Get some rest, eh?"

Ezio watches him go, smiling as he sees his family for two or three potential reasons:

1) They were not targeted.
2) The poison (if he was poisoned) is acting quickly, and will appear to be a natural death.
3) Due to the method used to kill him implying a natural death, Sofia has little reason to live in fear of people who may or may not have killed her husband coming after the rest of the family.

I admit, it's an interesting possibility, having Death show up and taking a little joking jab at him by acting the part of the selfish, woman-objectifying young Florentine man before laying him to rest in his hometown, but this man raises many suspicians in his short time with us, and makes me wonder if we won't hear more about him.

Gil_217
11-22-2011, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by DavyJones777:
I don't believe this man was an illusion or trick of the mind. I can see where some would get this impression, but I fall into a different category of thought on this instance.

At around the point in the film at 18:07 or so, we see the underside of his bracer on his right arm, potentially JUST big enough to house a poison needle.

At around 18:27, Ezio has a coughing fit and the young man grabs his hand with the same hand on the same arm as the bracer. If one looks closely, you might see some type of long protruding implement just under his arm/wrist/hand that appears to extend into the back of Ezio's hand.

He states "Courage, old man," smiling a knowing smile.

Ezio stares at him, knowing what he's done. First he's angry, then the fear hits him. "Are they here for Sofia and Flavia?"

The man with the ending touch nods in a manner of confirmation in regards to what he's just done, but leaves without more than a curtious "Get some rest, eh?"

Ezio watches him go, smiling as he sees his family for two or three potential reasons:

1) They were not targeted.
2) The poison (if he was poisoned) is acting quickly, and will appear to be a natural death.
3) Due to the method used to kill him implying a natural death, Sofia has little reason to live in fear of people who may or may not have killed her husband coming after the rest of the family.

I admit, it's an interesting possibility, having Death show up and taking a little joking jab at him by acting the part of the selfish, woman-objectifying young Florentine man before laying him to rest in his hometown, but this man raises many suspicians in his short time with us, and makes me wonder if we won't hear more about him.

Great post mate, great post!

kudos17
11-22-2011, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by DavyJones777:
I don't believe this man was an illusion or trick of the mind. I can see where some would get this impression, but I fall into a different category of thought on this instance.

At around the point in the film at 18:07 or so, we see the underside of his bracer on his right arm, potentially JUST big enough to house a poison needle.

At around 18:27, Ezio has a coughing fit and the young man grabs his hand with the same hand on the same arm as the bracer. If one looks closely, you might see some type of long protruding implement just under his arm/wrist/hand that appears to extend into the back of Ezio's hand.

He states "Courage, old man," smiling a knowing smile.

Ezio stares at him, knowing what he's done. First he's angry, then the fear hits him. "Are they here for Sofia and Flavia?"

The man with the ending touch nods in a manner of confirmation in regards to what he's just done, but leaves without more than a curtious "Get some rest, eh?"

Ezio watches him go, smiling as he sees his family for two or three potential reasons:

1) They were not targeted.
2) The poison (if he was poisoned) is acting quickly, and will appear to be a natural death.
3) Due to the method used to kill him implying a natural death, Sofia has little reason to live in fear of people who may or may not have killed her husband coming after the rest of the family.

I admit, it's an interesting possibility, having Death show up and taking a little joking jab at him by acting the part of the selfish, woman-objectifying young Florentine man before laying him to rest in his hometown, but this man raises many suspicians in his short time with us, and makes me wonder if we won't hear more about him.

That's a fantastic argument, and it makes plenty of sense, but I just don't think that's it.

After all Ezio has been through, having him fall victim to a random passerby's poison is just... anticlimactic. And it doesn't really make sense. Killing off Ezio when he has been an inactive Assassin for so long would be kind of random. I can see them going after his family to make him reveal past information, but killing him just to kill him... that would require a big grudge, one in which that random citizen did not possess.

I believe the previous theory has been stated - the citizen was just there for a "Hey, that used to be me" moment. Ezio thinks of the citizen as just another stupid kid, and is surprised by his uplifting line of "Coraggio, vecchio" (Courage, old man). Ezio wonders at first the nature of this remark, and realizes that the citizen knows he is old and in pain - almost like he knows what Ezio has gone through. In that moment, Ezio doesn't see a stupid kid anymore - he sees what he used to be. A playful and slightly disrespectful womanizer, but with a kind heart. As the citizen smiles and nods at him, Ezio understands how far he himself has come. The citizen offers a kind "Get some rest" as he leaves, and Ezio decides that that is exactly what he wants and needs. After all he has been through, he smiles at his family, half out of knowing that they are safe (with his death, no one really has any reason to come after them), and half out of true contentment with his life. He closes his eyes for the last time to get the rest he really deserves.

It was a confusing ending for me at first, but after watching it a few times (and figuring out what "Coraggio, vecchio" meant), it really is beautiful.

zerocooll21
11-22-2011, 03:44 PM
Maybe its a Canadian thing... ay?

Animuses
11-22-2011, 08:41 PM
Old man is l'uomo vecchio, not just vecchio.

d1st4nt d
11-23-2011, 01:43 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I had a similar discussion on GameFAQs.

If you load up Embers into any video editing software and select 18:09 on Frame 28, you can see a red templar cross on the inside of the young man's brace.

Ezio was poisoned... the ending was to signify that although he couldn't outrun his past, he was able to find peace and happiness.

YHHTQ
11-23-2011, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by d1st4nt:
I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I had a similar discussion on GameFAQs.

If you load up Embers into any video editing software and select 18:09 on Frame 28, you can see a red templar cross on the inside of the young man's brace.

Ezio was poisoned... the ending was to signify that although he couldn't outrun his past, he was able to find peace and happiness.

I dunno if he was poisoned; For all we know, maybe he was just observing Ezio but either way...

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2097/92977660.jpg

Here it is.

Gil_217
11-23-2011, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1st4nt:
I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I had a similar discussion on GameFAQs.

If you load up Embers into any video editing software and select 18:09 on Frame 28, you can see a red templar cross on the inside of the young man's brace.

Ezio was poisoned... the ending was to signify that although he couldn't outrun his past, he was able to find peace and happiness.

I dunno if he was poisoned; For all we know, maybe he was just observing Ezio but either way...

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2097/92977660.jpg

Here it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And here you go, so much for that Ubisoft person saying he was nobody at all you know. He just had a red cross in his brace, nothing important here right.

zerocooll21
11-23-2011, 10:05 AM
Dammm nice catch! Maybe Gabe didn't know yet lol

Silvrslide
11-23-2011, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1st4nt:
I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I had a similar discussion on GameFAQs.

If you load up Embers into any video editing software and select 18:09 on Frame 28, you can see a red templar cross on the inside of the young man's brace.

Ezio was poisoned... the ending was to signify that although he couldn't outrun his past, he was able to find peace and happiness.

I dunno if he was poisoned; For all we know, maybe he was just observing Ezio but either way...

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2097/92977660.jpg

Here it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is just a cross. That resembles none of the templar symbols we have seen exactly.It looks like it's just there to connect the two pieces of cloth that meets there.

You also see no bracer for him to poison ezio with, since that is his right arm, and where he sat on the bench, he would have had to poison ezio with his right arm.

Let's need read too much into this people.

Et_Tu_Brute
11-23-2011, 11:00 AM
that cross on the bracer is very interesting

hopefully ubisoft will explain who this guy was, his signifigance, why he was *****ing about firenze, and how ezio actually died.

kudos17
11-23-2011, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by YHHTQ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1st4nt:
I hate to burst everyone's bubble but I had a similar discussion on GameFAQs.

If you load up Embers into any video editing software and select 18:09 on Frame 28, you can see a red templar cross on the inside of the young man's brace.

Ezio was poisoned... the ending was to signify that although he couldn't outrun his past, he was able to find peace and happiness.

I dunno if he was poisoned; For all we know, maybe he was just observing Ezio but either way...

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2097/92977660.jpg

Here it is. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting. However, people in those times wore crosses because, y'know, they were religious :P not necessarily because they were Templars.

That said, even if he was a Templar, I really don't think he poisoned Ezio. One: I looked close and watched the scene multiple times; not once did I see a hint of a needle. Two: Ezio was going to die soon anyway - what would be the point? He was far past his prime, and was no longer a danger to anyone. All the danger he posed to the Templars lay with his knowledge of the order - a knowledge which he already passed on to Shao Jun anyway. If the citizen was a Templar, than he was merely there to observe. If Ezio realized this, he must have also realized that the mysterious citizen understood his fight and wasn't there to harm him, but to offer his respects and tell Ezio that it should be his time to rest. After all, I would assume that while Templars and Assassins would always be enemies, that doesn't mean that some of their members don't respect each other.

If you look, Ezio is really holding on by a thread. It would be easy for him to lie down and just die throughout the video. It seems like he is holding on by willpower and a sense of purpose alone. When he realizes that his purpose is full-filled, and he is content with all life has to offer, he rests.

Maybe the random citizen is meant to be mysterious? His true purpose and identity open to interpretation, I mean?

YHHTQ
11-23-2011, 01:36 PM
Originally posted by kudos17:
Interesting. However, people in those times wore crosses because, y'know, they were religious :P not necessarily because they were Templars.

That said, even if he was a Templar, I really don't think he poisoned Ezio. One: I looked close and watched the scene multiple times; not once did I see a hint of a needle. Two: Ezio was going to die soon anyway - what would be the point? He was far past his prime, and was no longer a danger to anyone. All the danger he posed to the Templars lay with his knowledge of the order - a knowledge which he already passed on to Shao Jun anyway. If the citizen was a Templar, than he was merely there to observe. If Ezio realized this, he must have also realized that the mysterious citizen understood his fight and wasn't there to harm him, but to offer his respects and tell Ezio that it should be his time to rest. After all, I would assume that while Templars and Assassins would always be enemies, that doesn't mean that some of their members don't respect each other.

If you look, Ezio is really holding on by a thread. It would be easy for him to lie down and just die throughout the video. It seems like he is holding on by willpower and a sense of purpose alone. When he realizes that his purpose is full-filled, and he is content with all life has to offer, he rests.

Maybe the random citizen is meant to be mysterious? His true purpose and identity open to interpretation, I mean?

As I mentioned, I dunno. IMO, he was merely observing Ezio since in his old age, he was hardly a threat anyway. Also, Ezio may have caused a lot of troubles to the templars but that doesn't mean that at LEAST some of them didn't respect him as an individual.

It's a bit different if you guys think of it, but Darth Revan, in SW lore, is both worshipped by Sith and Jedi alike. I'm not saying that templars worshipped(?!) Ezio but that they... respected him.

In a way, he had WON them over yet in the end, they probably just wanted him to know that if they wanted to, they could have killed him and his family, yet they didn't... In the end, they were able to taste a small victory and wanted to let him know of it, just before he died.

JDNinja54321
11-24-2011, 10:24 AM
i think that the guy on the bench was a templar and we might see more of him and shao jun in the next assassins creed game (if they make one) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Et_Tu_Brute
11-24-2011, 06:53 PM
my interpretaion was he is just a guy, but is a symbolism of death.

no one likes death, death is an *******, but it will allow us to rest, and it must be accepted

YHHTQ
11-25-2011, 12:17 AM
Originally posted by Et_Tu_Brute:
my interpretaion was he is just a guy, but is a symbolism of death.

no one likes death, death is an *******, but it will allow us to rest, and it must be accepted

So Death is a templar? No wonder they always come on top in the end...

rubis78
11-25-2011, 11:41 PM
I think he stubbed him with the hidden blade
when he put his hand on ezio shoulder and stand up
you can hear the hidden blade go out and in.

MIKETRIBAL
11-27-2011, 05:02 PM
It was a current assassin. the order had been watching over ezio. He was there mentor. They saw his pain, he was only holding on to keep his family safe. I don't know if he poisoned ezio or not, but the message implied was that it was ok to let go. For all he has done in giving his life to the order, the order would watch over his family. Just out of sight as ezio didn't want them involved.
That brought peace to ezio who finally let go and passed away. I bet his final thoughts were of the love of his family and the loyalty of the order.

RyuPrime79
11-29-2011, 02:31 PM
People have so many theories that they just overlook the one that makes more sense. Ezio fear was that his past will eventually caught up with him. When Shao Jun show up talking to his little girl he fear it had happened.

1- Now at the end if you notice the guy does have a Templar symbol on his wrist... No doubt he had a hidden blade, but Ezio did notice it.

2- Watch the scene several times and you will see as soon as he walks by, Ezio stares at him and his face expression changes. He went in as far as to say to the guy: "FIRENZE IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM."So At least I assume what he was really trying to say was "Your problem is that your aTemplar". Then again Ezio is weak and knows he is dying. Why will the movie begin with him trying to write a letter... Then toss it to a huge pile of fail attempts.

3- He knows he can't do anything to stop this guy, If he was really there to kill him and his family. When he coughs and the guy grab his hand... He realize this is it, they found me. He felt the hidden blade, but the guy didn't use it. Instead the guy Says "Courage old man" in some sort of gloat or mock. This is when Ezio realize he doesn't know who he was. In fact we can see Ezio face expression change to a more calm state.

4- When the guy walked away, Ezio was relief and saw his family one last time before his passing.


If the dev wanted us to see Ezio get poison, we will have seen it no point leaving behind doubts.

zerocooll21
11-29-2011, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by GundamG79:
People have so many theories that they just overlook the one that makes more sense..

+1

Grandmaster_Z
12-01-2011, 10:51 AM
Darby wrote the screenplay, only he knows, lets ask him

Kraschman2010
12-11-2011, 05:09 PM
I'd like to think that it's an apparition of Vieri de'Pazzi, appearing to give some comfort to an old rival as he greets him upon death.

xsparrowxx
12-16-2011, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by GundamG79:
People have so many theories that they just overlook the one that makes more sense. Ezio fear was that his past will eventually caught up with him. When Shao Jun show up talking to his little girl he fear it had happened.

1- Now at the end if you notice the guy does have a Templar symbol on his wrist... No doubt he had a hidden blade, but Ezio did notice it.

2- Watch the scene several times and you will see as soon as he walks by, Ezio stares at him and his face expression changes. He went in as far as to say to the guy: "FIRENZE IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM."So At least I assume what he was really trying to say was "Your problem is that your aTemplar". Then again Ezio is weak and knows he is dying. Why will the movie begin with him trying to write a letter... Then toss it to a huge pile of fail attempts.

3- He knows he can't do anything to stop this guy, If he was really there to kill him and his family. When he coughs and the guy grab his hand... He realize this is it, they found me. He felt the hidden blade, but the guy didn't use it. Instead the guy Says "Courage old man" in some sort of gloat or mock. This is when Ezio realize he doesn't know who he was. In fact we can see Ezio face expression change to a more calm state.

4- When the guy walked away, Ezio was relief and saw his family one last time before his passing.


If the dev wanted us to see Ezio get poison, we will have seen it no point leaving behind doubts.

That theory doesn't make any sense at all. You just watched Ezio take on multiple enemies all while coughing and wheezing, and was able to get rammed into a tree and still stay relatively unscathed, and he couldn't kill ONE guy who was sitting on a bench? That is just stupid, sorry. Ezio would have been able to kill the man at any point if he wanted to. And you assume to much by saying that just because Florence wasn't his problem, his problem was that he was a Templar. Why was he a Templar? Because he wore a symbol the vast majority of Italians would have had on them? Is everyone who wears a cross necklace a Templar? No, they are just wearing an extremely common accessory with an extremely common symbol. Though I could believe he was a Templar, the whole "There was nothing Ezio could do" argument is one of the stupidest theories I've heard so far.

zerocooll21
12-16-2011, 12:06 PM
A cross is a cross is a cross. The red sweeping shape of the templar cross is undeniable. Also in the AC universe it's kind a of given that templars are the enemy and are everywhere.

sticks165
12-16-2011, 12:10 PM
its already been said that the guy is no one

zerocooll21
12-16-2011, 12:25 PM
Ubi gabe said that right when it came out but that's all that's been said. I don't buy it.

Altair00117
12-17-2011, 01:00 AM
It so looked like he was a Templar, and killed Ezio. But I can see how it could be nothing.

RoninPedroshin
12-17-2011, 11:12 PM
Just in case YHHTQ's screen wasn't clear enough or still left doubts in anyone here's another one where I had turned brightness up: http://i.imgur.com/D9j3m.png

Though if he was poisoned by him or not is still up for debate I guess... He clearly seemed to be in a state in which he didn't need to be poisoned to die but...

BloodFencer900
12-18-2011, 09:29 AM
Hey i agree with you on AC3 i think it is going to be awesome.
maybe desmond might get a future suit of an assassin. i could show you if i knew how to post a picture below?

zerocooll21
12-18-2011, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by BloodFencer900:
Hey i agree with you on AC3 i think it is going to be awesome.
maybe desmond might get a future suit of an assassin. i could show you if i knew how to post a picture below?

Place the url in between the code to post a pic.

place url here

WHATIFEZIO
12-31-2011, 01:55 PM
What if the young man knew what ezio is / was capable of.
Also he would not be religious because the cross is red and is a resemblance of crimson and crimson is a sign of evil as some of you may know and he earned ezio's attention by saying about florence florence is a red so he may not be a templar for all you know he may be a good man im not going to get all advanced but in the bible it says whoever worships the red cross is a sign of death. now ubisoft dont know this but that man kind of looks similar to the man from the animus island not hair but the young man is near a church so he may be religious or may not from my mind i think the young man reminds me of the young ezio liking woman being noble if u know what i mean i have been watching it over and over for 11 hours now and i figured out he couldnt have the poison only ezio could use it or doctors unless the man is like manfatto from brotherhood but the young man is actually not templar or religious he is similar to duccio but he is actually a lute player if you look at his outfit and Raieqel the assassin used to play the lute and betrayed the assassin order like the sentinel the young man is a sentinel.!!

Blacksheep045
01-19-2012, 11:25 AM
This was taken from the official assassins creed wiki-
"During an online chat session, Gabe Graziani confirmed that the young man at the end was not an important character in the franchise, merely a reference to Ezio's past attitude and views as a young man. However, he has since retracted this statement, explaining that he did not know all the details behind the stranger and his significance in the scene."

I think that this pretty much settles that the opposite of Gabe's original statement is true. ALSO, for those that do not know, the templar cross is very distinct and significant.

Templar Cross- http://www.knightstemplarvault.com/images/templarcross2.jpg
Traditional Cristian Cross- http://www.thetruthsoflife.com/spiritual-wallpapers/cross.gif

The cross on the young man's hand is clearly templar.

PANiC_ATTACKER
01-19-2012, 04:36 PM
It was my assumption that he was poisoned! I just excepted it and never thought about it since. Im suprised what ive read in this thread!. maybe I will watch it again

zerocooll21
01-20-2012, 01:13 PM
I think that this pretty much settles that the opposite of Gabe's original statement is true. ALSO, for those that do not know, the templar cross is very distinct and significant.

Templar Cross- http://www.knightstemplarvault.com/images/templarcross2.jpg
Traditional Cristian Cross- http://www.thetruthsoflife.com/spiritual-wallpapers/cross.gif

The cross on the young man's hand is clearly templar.

+1

luckyto
01-20-2012, 11:55 PM
This was taken from the official assassins creed wiki-
"During an online chat session, Gabe Graziani confirmed that the young man at the end was not an important character in the franchise, merely a reference to Ezio's past attitude and views as a young man. However, he has since retracted this statement, explaining that he did not know all the details behind the stranger and his significance in the scene."

I think that this pretty much settles that the opposite of Gabe's original statement is true. ALSO, for those that do not know, the templar cross is very distinct and significant.

Templar Cross- http://www.knightstemplarvault.com/images/templarcross2.jpg
Traditional Cristian Cross- http://www.thetruthsoflife.com/spiritual-wallpapers/cross.gif

The cross on the young man's hand is clearly templar.

Bet.

Ikarros
01-23-2012, 12:23 PM
Alright... So, after reading all these ideas, re-watching this ending multiple times, and researching Gabe, the Templar Cross, and most other lore, blah blah blah, I'm just going to come up with two different theories, correct or not, we'll never really know unless they officially release a statement, and I doubt they will.

My first is this:

The man is an Assassin, not a Templar. I'm thinking that the only reason he picked Ezio at that moment, and talked to him like that, is because he wanted him to know that his family was safe, even if the city was in danger. How did I get to this idea?

1. When Ezio says "Fierenze is none of your concern" I believe he's talking about the fact that he doesn't need other Assassin's to protect the place. From all the other lore it sounds like there were plenty of other conflicts at the time.
2. The man is there to comfort Ezio, from what I can tell. Whether it's out of respect of being a young Assassin, or whether it's glorified revenge of being a Templar, I believe he wanted to see that Ezio's last moments were affirmed.
3. As to the matter with the cross, it seems to me this doesn't have to exactly signify him being a Templar in body AND mind. From evidence like Legacy and other cases, it sounds like the Assassins might have been placing agents within the ranks of the Templar. At this point, I'm not really sure that there were any Templar based assassins, it's possible, but I don't recall many with those types of wrist-blade weapons (Besides the one turncoat in AC:R)
4. I agree on a sort of fundamental basis that the man represents a contrast to Ezio's life. If he is an Assassin (In training or not) it would be a great symbolic way to show the difference between old and young. Let's face it. Ezio was young, brash, and had a smartass attitude. The fact that his mother told him to get a different hobby "Other than ******" would probably make me chuckle and give me a clear understanding that it was no secret he was quite the ladies man. This young man represents that, a new generation, brash, loud, and a eager, to replace Ezio who is now old and really far less capable then ever before. Sort of like when playing Altiar on his return to Masyaf. (I.e, unable to climb, sprint, etc.) I saw this moment as a passing of the torch. "Rest easy old man" In this theory, the line would mean he no longer has to worry, somebody else will take the burdens. A moment that Ezio was very reluctant and unable to do until after his meeting with a certain OTHER young (asian) assassin. His last moments in this theory would be that he was finally done fighting. The wounds had gotten the better of him. But he was happy to know that there would be assassins to carry on the fight, to protect the city and his family.

*Ahem* whew.

Okay, Second theory.

This one revolves around the man actually being an Templar. The points have been pretty well laid out as it is but I just wanted to skim over it a little. Yes?

1. The cross obviously is Templar. This is not a normal Religious cross based on the color, the shape, and the location. I very much doubt any normal christian of the time would wear that sort of item on their arm for no good reason.
2. There is obvious conflict between Ezio and the man. At this point, I really, really doubt Ezio had much fight left in him. He had passed on his knowledge of being the leader of an Assassin order, and he had finished his letter goodbye to Sophia. Look at it clearly, Ezio had very little power left to fight a young capable man. So, what does he do? Goes down fighting a strong verbal battle like any hot blooded man would. He talks about how he defeated the Templars and freed Fierenze, and teaches a smart mouthed kid a thing or two, ready for the ending.
3. He is obviously still concerned for his family, for their safety. He doesn't want them to suffer for his deeds. So, in his dying moments, he wants to make sure that they are safe, trying to see if the Templars will come after them once he is dead. From what I could discern, the line "Rest easy old man" is a message from the Templar that his fight is over, and that his soul can rest easy knowing his family will not be harmed. But... I don't know, I didn't really ever see the Templar waiting for him to be weak, and then not get revenge on his family.
4. Ezio obviously goes through a multitude of emotions in his last moments, ones that really made it painful to watch. You literally followed his major moments in life. His birth! It really hurts to know that it's all coming to an end after hours of gameplay! But that's just it. He's in pain for a moment, struggling in the fight of his age. And then... it's done. It's over. He understands that his time is up. So what does he do? He looks to the one thing that truly brought him happiness in this world in the end. He found a new woman that he loved, and his child(ren). He died content. From his letter we obviously know he regrets that his life was filled with so much conflict, but it seems to me he found peace in it somewhere.

Does this confirm or deny that this young man poisoned him? Not really. Ezio died with a smile on his face, that's all we know. If this man was the cause of it, all he did was kill off an Ex-Assassin with his demon's laid to rest.


So, that's my take on the matter Gents and Ladies. Pick it apart and denounce it as you like, or add to it and support it, I don't mind, I just wanted to add another viewpoint on my emotions.



Let's not forget! It was a great little movie! The animation wasn't my favorite, kind of round in a way that I wasn't too sure of, but the ending was great, if not a little saddening. I felt the ending with Altiar was so sad and depressing, alone and dark, that this one was a little more supportive and bright. (Let's not forget what we learned in Art and English eh? Colors and moods and whatnot?)

Anyway, if any of you would like a verbal exchange on my opinions, I'd be glad to talk it out!

Toxotes47
01-23-2012, 06:26 PM
Maybe that guy is a templar, maybe not. But as far as I have gathered, he had nothing to do with Ezio's death and I wouldn't believe any theory unless ubi say so themselves. For me he died because of illness, not poisoned by that chap.

P.S.- I was very sad when I finished watching Embers. A really fine and moving send off.

prawny12009
01-24-2012, 09:27 PM
Ezio in his younger yours i guess must have been a womaniser, his own mother when talking to ezio about having "other outlets" ezio replies "i have plenty of outlets" to which his mother responds "besides ******'s" or something like that.

tisbruce
01-25-2012, 09:59 PM
Whatever else is true or not, Ezio clearly says "I don't think Firenze is your problem". Amazing how many people seem to have misheard this.

There is a distinct, high click when the young man's hand touches Ezio's hand. Whether that's a sign of a poison blade or just poor choice in sound effects for flesh slapping flesh, I can't say. My first impression, when the young man sat down, was that he was there to kill Ezio and that still seems the most likely explanation. Ezio looks at him fearfully/questioningly, he nods - closing his eyes briefly - as if to answer an unvoiced question. "Yes, this is the end for you" is what he seems to be saying.

Epsilonyx
01-26-2012, 02:01 PM
At first I thought the man had poisoned him, but after looking at the images on this thread, the man's vambrace clearly has no hidden blade/needle. Both Assassin and Templar wrist-mounted blades have mechanisms visible on the underside of the arm, and though his does display a Templar symbol, its simplicity offers no room for a weapon. Now regardless of whether he was an assassin, observer, or even a Templar at all, I think this man was shown in a derogatory manner. The way he spoke, for instance, led me to think him a bit of a ******. He first reminded me of Vieri de Pazzi. I then racked by brain trying to think of villains in the past three games with a scar on their jaw that Ezio spared, or that escaped. Well I couldn't think of any. His knowing smile was evil at one glance and wisely resigned at another. Perhaps he was merely an apparition that Ezio conjured in his final moments, or maybe even Death himself? It would make sense for Ezio to perceive the Reaper as a Templar, don't you think? All these theories have evidence, but I don't think we can truly know who or what he is unless he features in another game. I'm pumped for AC3, as we'll finally have a new character and a new story, possibly the Scarred Man will appear in it.

Epsilonyx
01-26-2012, 02:16 PM
[QUOTE=Ikarros;8116213

1. When Ezio says "Fierenze is none of your concern" I believe he's talking about the fact that he doesn't need other Assassin's to protect the place. From all the other lore it sounds like there were plenty of other conflicts at the time.
[/QUOTE]
I just wanted to point out that I don't think he meant that at all. Ezio said "I don't think Firenze is your problem" in relation to Scar's comment about the women, as in "don't diss Florence". However Scar's response to that was rather vicious, leading me to believe Ezio had some underlying message. I don't suppose anyone knows what Scar's italian response was? I tried using GoogleTranslate, and deduced that he either said "please" or "I correct"; correggo.

XanderXVI
01-26-2012, 07:30 PM
Couldn't have summarized my thoughts on the matter any better than Ikarros has in Scenario 2... Templar. Just as Ezio displayed a respect for his defeated foes when they lay dying, the same "respect" was granted him by this young Templar. Basically he was stating it was time for this old enemy of the Templars to "rest," because for Ezio the fight was over. It was implied that his family would be safe, because they were not active participants in any of the conflict, past or present. It is not reasonable to believe the Ezio was in any condition to defeat this Templar, because at his age it would take a significant amount of time to recover from the physical exertion and injuries he suffered in the recent fight. Finally, that the Templar Cross is even shown confirms it was an intentional viewing as a clue. Really, after all the puzzles, clues and twists of this series; and in some of the most obscure methods of revealing them, can the viewing of a Templar Cross have no meaning? I am sure we will learn the identity or at least the confirmation of this Templar's "retirement" at some future point in time.

Although I personally like the dramatic idea of it being Ezio's vision of Death being a Templar, it really does contradict all we have been educated to in Assassin's Creed Canon. At no point in time have angels, devils, or any other religious supernatural forces taken action in events that were portrayed. In fact, any powers we deem "supernatural" in nature, including the Apple of Eden have all originated from the E.T. ancestors we have been following from the beginning. Again, this points toward the young man being a Templar sent to "retire" an old Assassin that did in fact just help to defeat Chinese Templars in his final conflict.

Requiescat in Pace Ezio.

EZC_Animal_
01-30-2012, 08:02 AM
The one thing I can't wrap my head around here is that a man with a strong framiliarity to one of the first characters that ezio fights in ac2 is sitting next to him on the bench and smiles, as if knowing ezio... Then after reading the threads here this is the conclusion I come up with... Ezio always knew that he could not escape his fate from being an assasin. Thusly his life would have to have been taken. In each game, mechanics of the arm blade gets more sophisticated, and I see no reason why by the time that ezio was at that age, someone could have thought of newer designs. I digress here... Listen really closely to the surrounding sounds when the gentleman stands up while using ezios shoulder to stand... Could that be the faint sound of some type of injection? I would not think blade due to the lack of blood, but maybe something like a needle, or a retractable throwing knife , etc etc etc.? Man I really hope they answer a lot of these questions in ac3 like who is the woman that Desmond Is suppose to track down, does it have anything to do with this new Asian character, and if not then are they using this new character as a AC4 concept?

iratusamuru
02-16-2012, 08:45 AM
I think the original idea the writers had in mind was to show people how much you can miss something that happens right in front of your eyes,

As well as how easily a death can be concealed as a sickness, as well as how much people will defend a viewpoint, regardless of how much backing it has (just because he has a templar cross on his arm that doesn't mean anything.

I for one don't see how anyone could have missed the conversation that went on between the two of them via their body language, but c'est la vie.

jonnyrocker93
02-16-2012, 07:43 PM
dont know if its really important. but i couldnt help but wonder if Scar's comment about the women in Roma being like " Ripe Sangiovese on the Vine" was maybe a reference to Ezio being a Viticulturist ( grower of grapes) and a reference to his vineyard.

And as some have said, you do hear a faint sound of a protruding blade right before he grabs Ezio's hand, which might have been balled up into a fist ready to take out Scar, but the lack of strength was overwhelmed Ezio and there was nothing he could do to fight off the young attacker.

Dont really know for sure though whether he might have been a templar, or an up-and-coming assassins, or even death as some have stated. But the nod and smile, was very obvious. but so was the smile and sigh of relief that our beloved mast assassin/legend Ezio let out as he looked at his daughter. No matter who Scar was, Ezio knew that his wife and daughter would be safe

Vlad1TheDon
11-12-2012, 06:31 AM
Here's my two cents

From where I'm standing, there are two possibilities depending on if that was intended to be a templar cross or not.

-If it wasn't.

If it was not a templar cross, the man was a young assassin, like Ezio in his youth. When the assassin saw Ezio on the bench, old and feeble, maybe seeing that he is taking his last breaths, he came to him to comfort him in his last moments and made a snide remark that made Ezio see himself for a second in his youth. That nod and those last words were an acknowledgement that he could let go, for the fight will go on. That's when Ezio found total peace, knowing that the assassins will carry on without him and died, taking one last look at his daughter.

- If the cross was a templar cross

Well, the story is not THAT different. The man was a templar watching him and seeing that he was within his last breaths, he came over simply out of some sort of respect Ezio and again, comforted him, telling him to keep his courage even with his last breaths. Ezio then feared that his family would be in danger, but the man reassured him, with a nod that it was alright, it was over, and left.

Because of the animation you can't really tell if Ezio was afraid that the man would harm his family if he was a templar or if he realized that the man on the bench was an assassin that came to comfort him in his last moments. The expression looks like an expression of surprise as well as an expression of fear and changes so quickly that you can't pinpoint it. Anyway, there surely was NO poisoning involved.

- My personal oppinion

I think the man was an assassin because of the bracer on his right arm. I don't recall templars having those type of bracers only on the right arm. Ezio's reacted to seeing the bracer on the man's hand and realizing he was an assassin as well. That's how I tend to see it. Both types of endings are nice, but aside from the templar-crosslike symbol, everything points to that man being a reminder of Ezio in his youth, bringing complete peace to our Protagonist. It kind of ties into the story of the short animation as well, seeing as Ezio passes the torch one last time, the young assassin comes to him, confirming just that.

Starkiler458
02-16-2017, 02:40 AM
I think that is Duccio? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif He have the same clothes.

Duccio died in 1519 If I remember correctly but when Ezio died it was 1524

connquerer27
06-05-2017, 12:25 AM
I just wanted to point out that I don't think he meant that at all. Ezio said "I don't think Firenze is your problem" in relation to Scar's comment about the women, as in "don't diss Florence". However Scar's response to that was rather vicious, leading me to believe Ezio had some underlying message. I don't suppose anyone knows what Scar's italian response was? I tried using GoogleTranslate, and deduced that he either said "please" or "I correct"; correggo.

I think he actually says, "Coraggio, vecchio" meaning, "Courage, old man."

Otslette
06-03-2019, 08:08 AM
he isn't saying correggo he is saying prego. which in the way that he used it simply means "come again?" or "pardon me?" He is implying that he either didn't hear Ezio or didn't understand him.