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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:20 AM
And for these who can't be patient.


This patch is for all.
Its final.
But some parts concidered for changes in the future for the next patch, if it is defined as neccessary or in free add-on with new planes.

So we name it final version 1.1b, but also still take in mind that it is like open beta. Open beta means that all are testers! All around the world!
In readme file for the patch you'll find the form for reports and notices for these that may experience the problems.

Say one of the notices of readme says that we are unable to fix the bugs of the not our own drivers and probably with the next driver version of the card it will be solved by producer of this card.

Another notice is that we do not accept the bug reports like "this plane flying bad! I think it should fly better!" without technically documented arguments on enginiring level of knowledge.

etc.

There also list of MAJOR fixes and modifications (improvements).

Really there were done thousands changes in code. Its why it took so great time for developing.



Oleg Maddox
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:20 AM
And for these who can't be patient.


This patch is for all.
Its final.
But some parts concidered for changes in the future for the next patch, if it is defined as neccessary or in free add-on with new planes.

So we name it final version 1.1b, but also still take in mind that it is like open beta. Open beta means that all are testers! All around the world!
In readme file for the patch you'll find the form for reports and notices for these that may experience the problems.

Say one of the notices of readme says that we are unable to fix the bugs of the not our own drivers and probably with the next driver version of the card it will be solved by producer of this card.

Another notice is that we do not accept the bug reports like "this plane flying bad! I think it should fly better!" without technically documented arguments on enginiring level of knowledge.

etc.

There also list of MAJOR fixes and modifications (improvements).

Really there were done thousands changes in code. Its why it took so great time for developing.



Oleg Maddox
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:22 AM
Great news - from someone who hasn't whined!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:23 AM
Thanks for the news..

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:23 AM
Sounds cool



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08-08-2003, 09:23 AM
Thanks Oleg. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:23 AM
So to summarize, it is a FINAL patch and still an open BETA patch at the same time!

You know, with everything that is going on in this crazy world right now, this actually makes perfect sense. Thank you Oleg, 1C and Ubisoft!!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:25 AM
Oleg,please confront this post to avoid compications.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:25 AM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Ok....I whined just alittle, but only to my mates....

The_Blue_Devil
08-08-2003, 09:27 AM
Hail to the King. Oleg thanks for the post. I think it is a good idea making it an Open Beta. Pretty much was one anyway with all the leakage. Hopefully it will cut the workload in half for you guys. Stay healthy

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08-08-2003, 09:27 AM
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08-08-2003, 09:27 AM
Reading with attention does not work if the writer wrote crap! CRATIX thread did not make sense!

Oleg_Maddox wrote:
-Patch news, For these who do not read with attention.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:28 AM
So to summarize, it is a FINAL patch and still an open BETA patch at the same time!

?

You can't have both ffs


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:28 AM
Devil hy do you think they made it an"Open Beta" lol.
ok so i'm sure that's not the only reason.
but I'm glad they did.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:29 AM
Oleg,
I asked this question in the other update thread before I saw this one. I know that the free add-on will have additional planes but will this patch have any planes included with it?

Thanks

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:30 AM
Oleg sounds really annoyed with us. I guess he doesn't like patch whiners.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:37 AM
HEHE, the new guys think this is special, it's the same way patches have always been, that's why there are several patches for IL2, Oleg just had to help idiots understand that they tried to fix everything, but there may be bugs, those will be addressed when they come up, in another patch, if he didn't do this all the mental midgets that roam this board would freak if they found a bug, thinking that this is all there was.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:37 AM
No planes in patch. Planes are going in add-ons. That is different terms.

The size of patch is already big - 43 Mb. There are great changes in code that tooh so much space in compressed size!
If we 'll add just couple of planes then we'll get it about 80 mb now.
We decided to look for respond and then to release free add-on with planes and correct something there in 1.1b if neccessary.

Really it is absolutely the same way like it was in the past with Il-2. Absolutely the same support from us.

We don't miss the user. We simply read needs of users even with more attention than in the past with Il-2.
Simply code of FB is several times more complex then in Il-2 and we need more time that to invest changes, etc.

Hope this will read all users.



Bucinda wrote:
- Oleg,
- I asked this question in the other update
- thread before I saw this one. I know that the free
- add-on will have additional planes but will this
- patch have any planes included with it?
-
-
- Thanks
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:38 AM
Heuristic_ALgor wrote:
- So to summarize, it is a FINAL patch and still an
- open BETA patch at the same time!
-
- ?
-
- You can't have both ffs
-
-
-

Sure you can (is it me or is there a lot of echo going on /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:39 AM
Thank you. Great thank you. You are perfectly right. Sad that many users do not understand it.


TurboCrotch wrote:
- HEHE, the new guys think this is special, it's the
- same way patches have always been, that's why there
- are several patches for IL2, Oleg just had to help
- idiots understand that they tried to fix everything,
- but there may be bugs, those will be address when
- they come up in another patch, if he didn't do this,
- all the mental midgets that roam this board would
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:40 AM
Thank you.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:42 AM
I'm sorry, but I need to disagree with you.
Cartrix wrote in official terms that will understand users that are already long time in the world of IL-2 (from beginning).


GateCrasher866 wrote:
-
- Reading with attention does not work if the writer
- wrote crap! CRATIX thread did not make sense!
-
- Oleg_Maddox wrote:
--Patch news, For these who do not read with attention.
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:42 AM
Ok thanks for answering my question Oleg. It makes sense that the patch is big enough without adding planes right now. I appreciate that you are adding more planes for free and will happily pay for a future add-on if you make one.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:44 AM
thank you oleg and cartrix.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:48 AM
wow. Interesting. At least Olegg has the decency to try and explain things to us. I might even have forgiven the makers of CFS 3 if they could be this candid.


Guess patch is out today then?




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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:49 AM
Thank you Oleg for our patience with some users in this forum.. and of course for the patch /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:49 AM
Hi Oleg and thanks for the info.

Havn't made any posts whatsoever before about the patch but i understand the frustration many have shown regarding the lack of info, aswell as i understand the immense work you have put into the game /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

All i wan't to say is keep up the good work and don't let "our" grumpy comments sometimes given here get to you.

Regards HP

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:49 AM
Pretty much all software is a form of open beta.
Hardening code takes a LOT of effort. Apparently
it took 30 man years of effort to take JBoss to
a commercial level of hardening. That may not even
have as many lines of code as IL2/FB.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:49 AM
At last some information! That was all we needed.

Thank you Oleg /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

P.S. Looking forward to the release!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:50 AM
Ahh, no. Just read Cartrix`s post. Beginning of next week?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!



But I do greatly respect Olegg. It`s obvious he`s getting a bit exasperated with whiners (even me sometimes), but he`s still trying to explain...

I`ll wait...



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Message Edited on 08/08/0308:53AM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:51 AM
thanks looking forward to it 24/7 fan

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:51 AM
Thank you Oleg /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:51 AM
Thanks Oleg. As a former Interplay Beta tester (I have the shot glass to prove it!) I look forward to being able to submit bugs.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:51 AM
Oleg a question about the upcomming add ons. (not the patch)
you have saied before that there one be possibly one free add on and a pay add on latter...so my question is this...
Is it possible that there will be many pay for add ons (ie expansion Packs) for FB? I would glady puchase as many as you'll produce.
thanks.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:52 AM
Thanks Oleg, great to hear some news /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:54 AM
So... I will get this Patch to update the Beta 08 Patch I have, then get a Patch after that Patch which will take the place of the first 2 Patches, in essense Patching the Patched Patch?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:54 AM
Wow! Prefectly right!

AaronGT wrote:
- Pretty much all software is a form of open beta.
- Hardening code takes a LOT of effort. Apparently
- it took 30 man years of effort to take JBoss to
- a commercial level of hardening. That may not even
- have as many lines of code as IL2/FB.
-
-
-
-
-



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:54 AM
It is very nice to hear from you Oleg. Perhaps soon you will be able to take some time and enjoy your creation! I for one can only thank you for countless hours of enjoyment (And frustration - but that's all part of war, eh?)

My wife on the other hand hates the game... seems as though she feels like an IL2 widow.. LOL

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:56 AM
Thank you very much Oleg. I for one will put as much effort as I can into helping identify any remaining issues.

A question: What time scale are you looking at for the reporting of bugs found (i.e. Between release of the Open Beta to the release of the Free-Addon/Final patch combo)?

I ask solely so as to know how long there is to report errors in. This applies especially as if it's a short time we may not find some in Campaigns etc.

Thank you Oleg.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:56 AM
Good question. Even I dont know any hard info on possible pay add-ons. Oleg. Are you able to tell us of any add-ons or drop any hints?

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Copperhead310th wrote:
- Oleg a question about the upcomming add ons. (not
- the patch)
- you have saied before that there one be possibly one
- free add on and a pay add on latter...so my question
- is this...
- Is it possible that there will be many pay for add
- ons (ie expansion Packs) for FB? I would glady
- puchase as many as you'll produce.
- thanks.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:59 AM
I would like to go by such way and make CD cost say 8 euros, but I think it can't be happen....

So will be free small add-ons like usual with IL-2 and Big one on a CD (on CD: many planes, campaigns, Single missions for new planes, new online map or maps, ship(s), new objects and new features),

At least this is going by this way currently.


Copperhead310th wrote:
- Oleg a question about the upcomming add ons. (not
- the patch)
- you have saied before that there one be possibly one
- free add on and a pay add on latter...so my question
- is this...
- Is it possible that there will be many pay for add
- ons (ie expansion Packs) for FB? I would glady
- puchase as many as you'll produce.
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:00 AM
¯ ¨á, thank you, danke Oleg. Great to hear that and i really like this idea with a form for bug reports, as long as there are not too many ppl sending unimportant stuff (look at ORR lately). Anyway thank you all for the update.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:00 AM
I want to add something.. Oleg please consider that for many people here english is not their "mother language". Just as it isn't yours.

At least for me it was not possible to understand the details of what Cartrix said. I understood just that next week there would have been some sort of patch. Now, with your post and Ian Boys' one, I finally understood everything.

Thanks for clarifying.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:02 AM
Oleg, if that is the case, then the next Big pay-addon might be like IL-2: FB in that it could be an entirely seperate game? So, one might could conclude from recent screenshots that the Western Front (Or at least parts of it) will be in your next pay-addon? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:02 AM
Oleg,

thank you very much for this information. Although I do not count myself to the whiners I was feeling somewhat uncomfortable about it all.
Rather poor information here and with Luthier vanished also the modelling status was a bit obscure.

So keep up the good work and take the time you need to get things fixed! It'd just be nice if from time to time we'd be thrown a bone... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I think that all this whining can even have a positive effect for you: It shows that people really play your game and care for it a lot!

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08-08-2003, 10:03 AM
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08-08-2003, 10:05 AM
Oleg,
umm while i'm sure this is not thread to post this in i've been trying to get your attention on a project i'm working on for FB. (Additons to the Regimentals folder for FB)
If you have a moment could you please read this thread i left for you in your ready room. Thanks, Copper.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:06 AM
Regarding the bug report form, is there a provision for submitting a request or idea that would not qualify as a bug?

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:08 AM
Oleg, I know you have been under a lot of pressure lately and I should clarify this:
90% of the people had a problem with luck of communication on the part of UBI.
Cartrix's apology in another thread proves this was a valid point.
We understand you had to bring the game out earlier, appreciate all the effort, we're just asking that we are not ignored and given word from time to time from UBI.
And yes, most of us read and already knew what would be in the patch.
All we are waiting for now is that it comes out when it comes out.
Thanks for droping in, and communicating with the people in this forum.
I for one don't feel you are obliged to do that and can appreciate it.


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Tully__
08-08-2003, 10:12 AM
ZG77_Spectre wrote:
- Regarding the bug report form, is there a provision
- for submitting a request or idea that would not
- qualify as a bug?
-
-

Oleg's Ready Room...it may not look like it but 1C:Maddox do monitor all the suggestions posted there.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:13 AM
Oleg_Maddox wrote:
- I would like to go by such way and make CD cost say
- 8 euros, but I think it can't be happen....
-
- So will be free small add-ons like usual with IL-2
- and Big one on a CD (on CD: many planes, campaigns,
- Single missions for new planes, new online map or
- maps, ship(s), new objects and new features),
-
- At least this is going by this way currently.
-
-
- Oleg Maddox
- 1C:Maddox Games

Sounds logical, large updates on a CD is better anyway, especially for low bandwith users + you have a nice backup on a CD in a handly box instead of another burned CD that you end up loosing in all your other backup data disks. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:15 AM
Well said, Christos!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:21 AM
good news!



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Zayets
08-08-2003, 10:21 AM
This is an excellent idea , an open beta , now I'm really glad I didn't tried the leaked one! Thanks Oleg


Zayets out

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:21 AM
Thanks Oleg, I found it easy to understand. And I like the idea of a big expansion. The bigger the better and I will definitely purchase it.

Now, how about lowering the top speed of the La-5 standard at sea level, 550+km/h is very high according to what I have seen.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:25 AM
Thanks Oleg and Cartrix for the updates, much appreciated.

I hope the patch gives you guys some peace and quiet for a week or two /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cheers,

SSS

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:26 AM
Hello Oleg,

Thanks for your reply.

I wrote my message before Cartrix had edited his original post.

My comment about crap refered not to the patch but the fact that the message was unclear. If Cartrix original post had made perfect sense, he would not have had any reason to edit it. I didn't communicate any better did I!

Now I can clearly understand what the intention of the official communication is, and I will tell you I am NOT surprised.

You are supporting the product and your community, which is what I expected. You are taking the neccessary time to produce exceptional quality. You are flexible enough to change your plans to suit the goal of quality.

I only had a problem with a slightly garbled message from your publisher. And a huge hunger to get my hands on your work!

Thanks

Grash866



Oleg_Maddox wrote:
- I'm sorry, but I need to disagree with you.
- Cartrix wrote in official terms that will understand
- users that are already long time in the world of
- IL-2 (from beginning).
-
-
- GateCrasher866 wrote:
--
-- Reading with attention does not work if the writer
-- wrote crap! CRATIX thread did not make sense!
--
-- Oleg_Maddox wrote:
---Patch news, For these who do not read with attention.
--
--
-
-
-
-
- Oleg Maddox
- 1C:Maddox Games
-

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:28 AM
Thanks for the info Oleg, and I like the idea of giving an email address where to send bug reports (yes, I know there are not bugs in FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

One question though, I've reported a few issues in the Ready Room recently, with FB, bomb damage and a few other items.

Can I consider these as having been seen and either put on the list or discarded, or should I report these again using that email form once the patch is out?

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:36 AM
Gave a lecture in primary school age 12 about the Hurricane and the Spitfire...was a huge fan of older planes...My room was a museum, I became an aviation nerd till my hormones led me completely to looking at girls instead...Abandoned my hobby for more than 18 years (only got reminded sometimes, sitting in various airlinejets). Then computers came that had the capacity to make me curious again if those sims were impressive enough to catch my attention...Only FB, or better IL-2 did...It even ignited my complete passion again. Now my girl even gave me a beautiful model of a spitfire for my birthday, and as she is an artist, she painted a beautiful blue sky to but behind it...I got some books again about aviation, my hobby is back with double force....can I thank the Ubisoft team for that? Yes I can! It's really nice !
Of course I like the Hurricane the most...as it is griffed into my memory, it has been flown by the Belgian airforce too once, and now, FB gives me the opportunity to fly in it, have Belgian skin and have my very face in that plane, looking around to my astonishment....weird and funny!!!
THANK YOU

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:40 AM
Oleg_Maddox wrote:
- Wow! Prefectly right!
-
- AaronGT wrote:
-- Pretty much all software is a form of open beta.
-- Hardening code takes a LOT of effort. Apparently
-- it took 30 man years of effort to take JBoss to
-- a commercial level of hardening. That may not even
-- have as many lines of code as IL2/FB.
--
--


i know about managing > million lines of code. the core of Il2 will probably live on for more than a decade. from a software engineering viewpoint Oleg and his team deserve that thingy with swords and oak leaves.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:44 AM
harryw wrote:
- i know about managing > million lines of code. the
- core of Il2 will probably live on for more than a
- decade. from a software engineering viewpoint Oleg
- and his team deserve that thingy with swords and oak
- leaves.
-

The Knight's Cross?

Perhaps he should get Hero of the Soviet Union instead? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:46 AM
not instead. on top of.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:52 AM
Thanx for your extra time Oleg.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:53 AM
Oleg,
thankyou for the decision to release what you have and update as seen fit. I tried the 1.1 test08 and had found quite a lot of FB had changed for the better from a more stable sound engine to a better and more optimised graphics engine. Some of the modelling I didn't agree with but I'm just a terrestial bound git with no Warbirds flying experience so what do I know.

On the whole I was very happy with it and I would assume that the release early next week will be further developed than the test08.

As for this board, some of the comments by a few members made me asshamed to be part of this community. I hope people get their manners in order soon because I would hate to see the vile comments effecting your relationship with us as a community. I for one am very grateful to have you active in informing us and giving feedback to us as needed. Keep up the good work and know that there are those of us who do appreciate your efforts.

BTW anything that informs me and keeps me away from the crap on television is good by me. Also I like the international online aspect of this sim, to be able to fly with/against people from around the planet is fun.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:54 AM
so its out today ???? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:58 AM
harryw wrote:
- not instead. on top of.
-

That'd make it, let's see if I've got this right, we want to award Oleg the highest possible (naturally /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) so:

The Great Cross/Knight's Cross to the Iron Cross to the Hero of the Soviet Union, with Golden Oak Leaves, and Swords and Diamonds.

Perhaps a VC to go with that? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Oleg had better renew that gym membership if he wants to wear that gong /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

GREAT WORK OLEG!!

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Message Edited on 08/08/0310:41AM by Owl_NZ

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:35 AM
I'd like to know why people are shooting Cartrix for just doing his job as he is told to...

'Official' press releases or information releases are always a bit blurry - because guess what... things change in the fast-moving world of business. IMHO he's doing his job quite well. Some posters here are like children with their knee-jerk responses. RESPECT is something that is returned when given.

Thanks for the update Oleg/Cartrix. Looking forward to the patch and the add-ons /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

So does ANYONE know if we are getting the C-47 flyable ever with cockpit???

Am I the only one who wants to fly the C-47 over Normandy?????



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:50 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:10 PM
Thank you Oleg..

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:19 PM
Oleg i know you said their would be no new planes with this patch but i was just wondering if any of the AI planes that are already in the game are being made flyable in the patch eg: mustang or He162 by adding cockpit...

If not at least we can look forward to them in an addon which i think most people will gladly pay for including myself, but for now atleast the patch is coming soon which is most important

many thanks for all the hard work......

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:32 PM
Oh, the suspense, the drama of it all!

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08-08-2003, 12:33 PM
FI_Fenian wrote:
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- Normandy?????

No. Nor the Ju-52 or Pe-2, or...

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:34 PM
"Another notice is that we do not accept the bug reports like "this plane flying bad! I think it should fly better!" without technically documented arguments on enginiring level of knowledge"

lol

That is 90% of our genius's on the board :P




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08-08-2003, 12:37 PM
Thanks a lot Oleg!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:37 PM
Three more days for a better, more polished product? ok

See you guys next week. (oh, I'll be checking in the mean time /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif )



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Hunter82
08-08-2003, 12:44 PM
You do have a point there
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- "Another notice is that we do not accept the bug
- reports like "this plane flying bad! I think it
- should fly better!" without technically documented
- arguments on enginiring level of knowledge"
-
- lol
-
- That is 90% of our genius's on the board /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:54 PM
Does the new graphics code enable ATI trueform support, or is it still best left off as Hunter has suggested in his settings for the 9700 Pro?

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 12:59 PM
UR_Spinne wrote:
- Does the new graphics code enable ATI trueform
- support, or is it still best left off as Hunter has
- suggested in his settings for the 9700 Pro?
-

you don't think they are going to incorporate something new like this are you?

they have enough work fixing the broken product in the first place!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:01 PM
As I understand it, it's just an extra line of code all told. It would definately make the mountains much better.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:02 PM
UR_Spinne wrote:
- As I understand it, it's just an extra line of code
- all told. It would definately make the mountains
- much better.

Ic, anisotropic filtering will make the mountains also better.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:05 PM
Thanks for the update Oleg.... I will be in a daze for the next 5 days. I cant wait to see what is in this thing.

Also....all you people who are crying and moaning about the number and delay in this patch......did ANY of you look at the patch list for IL2? If you notice patch 1.0 & 1.1 & 1.2 were actually a compilation of lots of little patches....... FB is much more complicated than IL2 even though to the untrained eye.(as in someone who doesnt have IL2 to compare) or someone who didnt spend a lot of time in IL2 it may look the same. Some of you guys who could not ewven begin to imagine the amount of work involved in this process should just lighten up and be glad the thing is finally coming for sure.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:17 PM
Always nice to hear it from the man himself.

Thanks for the work youv'e put into this series of flight sims, it's great news that this will continue, not many products of any kind anywhere in the world gives this level of service.

Patch or no patch IL-2 and IL2-FB has for two years now given me the cheapest nightly entertainment I think is possible. So again thankyou, were all lucky someone with your talent and integrity and love of the subject came along, to almost single handedly save the genre from the buggy incomplete games that have been parading as flight simulators recently and hopefully drive other other game producers to match your level of service.

JG4_Tiger

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:18 PM
Yeah, what's it with Anis and Radeon cards? It works damn well in every game except this sim. The runways(concrete ones) get really blurry towards the end. AA doesn't seem to work all that well on the coastlines either. I always get jaggies there even though I'm at 1600X1200 and have 6X AA and 16X Anis on. I think these are even more important bugs to fix than getting the perfect mode working.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:24 PM
Thank you Oleg!
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08-08-2003, 01:27 PM
UR_Spinne wrote:
- Yeah, what's it with Anis and Radeon cards? It works
- damn well in every game except this sim. The
- runways(concrete ones) get really blurry towards the
- end. AA doesn't seem to work all that well on the
- coastlines either. I always get jaggies there even
- though I'm at 1600X1200 and have 6X AA and 16X Anis
- on. I think these are even more important bugs to
- fix than getting the perfect mode working.

Anisotropic doesn't do anything about those jaggies .. that's what FSAA is for.

Aniso is for making depth-perception better.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:29 PM
May i make a suggestion already, DO NOT CALL IT 1.1B there is already a 1.1A for the original game and you will just cause so much confusion with people trying to upgrade the game in later years etc as they will see an there is a 1.1B patch and also a 1.1A one as well.

Could you not rename it to something like FB.1a or something to get it away from the possibilities of confusion, we already had some of this with people trying to add the original patches to the new game until you added the message at the top of the page.

Remember a lot of people new to the game and coming on to use this patch will not realise there are 2 games, different patches etc and like lemmings will run over the cliff sooner or later... lets put a wall up now while you have a chance so only the determind lemming will make it over.

good news by the way



Message Edited on 08/08/0312:31PM by Taylortony

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08-08-2003, 01:30 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:33 PM
Taylortony wrote:
- May i make a suggestion already, DO NOT CALL IT 1.1B
- there is already a 1.1A for the original game and
- you will just cause so much confusion with people
- trying to upgrade the game in later years etc as
- they will see an there is a 1.1B patch and also a
- 1.1A one as well.
-
- Could you not rename it to something like FB.1a or
- something to get it away from the possibilities of
- confusion, we already had some of this with people
- trying to add the original patches to the new game
- until you added the message at the top of the page.
-
- Remember a lot of people new to the game and coming
- on to use this patch will not realise there are 2
- games, different patches etc and like lemmings will
- run over the cliff sooner or later... lets put a
- wall up now while you have a chance so only the
- determind lemming will make it over.
-
- good news by the way



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:34 PM
If you'd read what I had said, I pointed out that the Anis wasn't rendering the end of the runway properly. I said that the concrete runways get blurry towards the ends. I did not say that it gets jagged. The coastline gets jagged. Please read the post carefuly before replying to it.



UR_Spinne wrote:
- Yeah, what's it with Anis and Radeon cards? It works
- damn well in every game except this sim. The
- runways(concrete ones) get really blurry towards the
- end. AA doesn't seem to work all that well on the
- coastlines either. I always get jaggies there even
- though I'm at 1600X1200 and have 6X AA and 16X Anis
- on. I think these are even more important bugs to
- fix than getting the perfect mode working.

-Anisotropic doesn't do anything about those jaggies .. that's what FSAA is for.

-Aniso is for making depth-perception better.





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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:35 PM
Well thanks for the update. Really looking forward to "test" the new beta /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 01:36 PM
Thank you Oleg. For the post and for doing it right.

And I'm probably as far removed from being one of the fanboy crowd as you can get, so that is a thank you which means something.

Cheers,
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:21 PM
Nahhh.

Swords and Diamonds.

harryw wrote:

- i know about managing > million lines of code. the
- core of Il2 will probably live on for more than a
- decade. from a software engineering viewpoint Oleg
- and his team deserve that thingy with swords and oak
- leaves.
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:28 PM
Thank you Oleg and Catrix for the great news. As a programmer and fellow developer, I understand and truely appreciate the amount of work and true dedication the whole 1C team has put forth.

Condor out

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:34 PM
Thanks Oleg! Never needed the patch, but i`ll take it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Regards,
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:41 PM
Oleg

Nastrovia

Thanks so much for all the hardwork and effort.

S!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:43 PM
My sincere Thanks to Oleg and The Crew for;

* Giving us all something that is likely very close to what is intended if not "done".

* Keeping Open about making necessary changes and not just ending all possibility of fixes.

These both say very much about care for Customers and Quality, which sometimes have some conflict when Time is a factor.

Best of days to 1C! Always be busy but not too busy. Always have paying work.

My wish!
I like the pay for addons, big or small however they work. I am hoping that WWI on all fronts becomes an addon... that is the one I most want! Please, relax the need for perfect historic cockpits for WWI and go with strongly reasonable. It is not likely to be challenged, not by blueprints or historic planes that you will not already know of. There is much room to wiggle around and still be better than any WWI air combat sim yet seen, possible ever to be seen!


Neal

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:43 PM
Excellent news. Thank you for the update, and for the support that you are giving this game.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:46 PM
Thank you Oleg and company.

The aircraft add-ons?

When? Just an estimate, please.

When?????



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:53 PM
Thank You Sooo much Oleg.Will be buying ALL your products that 1C/Maddox makes...Be sure/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:58 PM
Oleg and all,

Thank you for the update. Seems like a great idea!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 03:58 PM
Thanks Oleg. Good news all around. Can't wait to have the patch. Thanks for all the hard work.

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ZG77_Nagual
08-08-2003, 04:06 PM
A P51B sure would've sweetened the pot! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
I'm amazed at the changes these guys made in the 8 beta patch. I did fly-offs in several contested types, specifically ones there were good pilot reports from that have circulated around on the net - and I was/am amazed at the accuracy of relative performance. It is simply phenomenal the amount of work and detail they've put into this simm. I haven't looked at the code - but I imagine it is very complex - particularly in light of the fact that from what I've gathered they are really breaking new ground in terms of how it is coded.

Hats off to Oleg and crew. Amazing work.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:19 PM
Thank you Oleg. keep up the work! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:20 PM
Now THIS is how it should always be.
Excellent.

Good news on how to report bugs.
Good vehicle on how to report FM discussions.

BRAVO. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:21 PM
Given the wide variety of systems that exist in the world, I don't think this will be a problem.

Thanks Oleg!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:26 PM
Thanks for your posts, Oleg! I guess there's a lot of need for reassurance out there.

What is it a character in a Steven King novel said? "Love eats everything?" Well, one thing is certain--the people here love your work. If they didn't they wouldn't be so impatient.

Forgive them, Oleg. They know not what they do...

And thanks for the patch, sir!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:30 PM
I'm scared that once this patch is released, they think they're off the hook and can wait another six months for the next patch... I hope not... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:37 PM
Far out, Oleg-dude!!!

I haven't played this game since I bought it. And that's because I felt so miserable everytime I got shot down by super-accurate AckAck...but now things are bound to change. I've got a 2.8GHz Dell with ATI Radeon 9700 pro and 512MB RAM (gonna upgrade to 1GB) and I'm just itchin to get into the cockpit and do some flying. I've also got a Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 and rest assure, I anticipate some real good old fashioned WWII flyin' in the next year.

I've been a whiner, but I'm quite sure I'm gonna be a true believer after this patch - I'm off to reinstall my computer altogether now - gotta have a fresh start again!

Keep up the good work and don't forget this;
Even with no patch the game's graphics are the best I've ever seen, the feel of flyin' is the best so far and the arerial combat is top notch also! To me there's just a few glitches in original version, but I guess they've been taken care of (ack-ack and deadly head to head duels)
It's good that things start moving now -
I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 04:45 PM
EvilBen wrote:
- I'm scared that once this patch is released, they
- think they're off the hook and can wait another six
- months for the next patch... I hope not...

Well.. If it works you don't need it to be patched, right? More versions means more headache when you are playing online.

Note how Oleg has already said that they will be getting feedback on the patch that will be released, possibly changing things if we can prove that there are mistakes.

IT IS UP TO US to find errors and point them out! WE are the beta testers this time.

And if something slips through the patching process (which means it's some very subtle bug, by the way) there will be another chance that it will be fixed for the paid add-on. If, of course, by then we will have proved that we can act as useful beta testers, of course.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:35 PM
Oleg,
TX-Squadron thanks you....we can hardly wait until next week.

Any word from UBI on how the dedicated server is coming? We are still having issues with running the complete gui on a remote server... I have sent questions to UBI on this but they will not respond... (Thanks for your return emails by the way!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif )



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:40 PM
oleg=awesome!


be. sure.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:45 PM
Thankyou Oleg

From someone who has patients.


I wish these guys would just wait & stop barking like a pack of starving wild dogs for the patch...

I have asked for some things to be in the patch but I am glad to wait for it to be released when its done & not sooner.

Please Dont rush Oleg take your time id rather wait & have it right than rush it & have it wrong!!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:57 PM
I find this attitude of patience a little strange, after all it was'nt us the consumers who demanded apatch by a certain date, it was the developer who promised the patch and did not deliver, repeatedly. Imagine taking your car to a garage to get fixed, and over and over hearing "it's not ready yet". Would anyone be patient and understanding, or annoyed?

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 05:57 PM
Thank's Mr. Maddox.


This is my first flying sim and im very impressed with the level of detail. I havent had so much fun playing a game in while.


Thank's again.


Silent out....

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:00 PM
I really doubt this thread needs it, but...

Bump!

And thank you very much, Mr. Maddox!


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:03 PM
The fact is that this is not your car & this is not a mechanics shop, fixing code in these sims is very complex if you had even a clue youd be willing to have some patients

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:07 PM
I am really getting a kick out of reading this thread. I haven't seen so much as- kissing in a very long time!

You guys are amazing. "Thank you Oleg", "Your the best Oleg", "It wasn't me who was whining", "I would gladly pay for any add-on" My god just listen to yourselves!

Many of you are complimenting Oleg when you were ripping him and the entire UBI staff earlier this week! Its a mob mentality in here. Grow up and quit kissing as-, its making me sick.

Now I'm going to read differnt thread that isn't so darn gushy/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Have a great weekend - I hope I have an opportunity to shoot each and avery one of you as- kissers down sometime this weekend/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Nuley - Man I love this game!

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:26 PM
- The fact is that this is not your car & this is not
- a mechanics shop, fixing code in these sims is very
- complex if you had even a clue youd be willing to
- have some patients


1. I work on a software dev team
2. You mean I didn't buy FB
3. If it's that complex, just say the patch isn't ready, when it is, it will be made available. Instead of needlessly building up expectations.

Personally I wouldn't give the patch a second thought if it was promised over and over. I suspect Oleg is trying to please too many people, the consumers, the marketing dept., and his own dev team who probably works too much overitime as it is.

Oleg, just worry about you team, give them some time off, the patch will be done when it's done. I'm sure nobody is really unhappy with FB as it is

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:28 PM
AFJ_Murdoc wrote:
- Thankyou Oleg
-
- From someone who has patients.
-
-
- I wish these guys would just wait & stop barking
- like a pack of starving wild dogs for the patch...
-
- I have asked for some things to be in the patch but
- I am glad to wait for it to be released when its
- done & not sooner.
-
- Please Dont rush Oleg take your time id rather wait
- & have it right than rush it & have it wrong!!!
-
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- <center><FONT COLOR="white">
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- and behold
- I am alive forevermore.
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You're a doctor Murdoc???


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 06:38 PM
Thanks Oleg for your clarifications.

I suppose that those that came or still are from the Falcon 4 world, this will not be anything new, since the SP1 came out, we always had a form to report bugs to the SP Team, and still the Super Pack made great improvements to F4 and worked well.
Since all this come from the official developers, i'm sure it will work even a LOT BETTER!.

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ZG77_Nagual
08-08-2003, 06:40 PM
Like that.
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 08:09 PM
Be patient Mr Maddox hmm lets think about that, how about yourself be patient with your dedicated customers. We have been patient for weeks now. We get word here than it changes than get more word hey its coming out the week of Aug 4th, than on Friday we hear its not, what u expect, this is not susposed to upset people hoping and praying all week it would atleast come Friday, put yourself in our shoes waiting, we know its alot of work for you, what we ask is that you dont let information be release until you can be sure it will be accurate and completed when you say, 3 delays is going to upset players.

These Forums are huge if you have not noticed, with many post's and if you expect all of us to check every post well thats just not going to happen, so your rude comment about those who pay attention offends me.Maybe a little class on customer relations might help you out, every time i see a post of yours it becomes for and more offensive to some players infering we are idiots.I am very offended and upset but I have do deal with it like the others, but yourself you need a little patience sir.

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:33 PM
VMF-214_Pappy wrote:
- Be patient Mr Maddox hmm lets think about that, how
- about yourself be patient with your dedicated
- customers. We have been patient for weeks now. We
- get word here than it changes than get more word hey
- its coming out the week of Aug 4th, than on Friday
- we hear its not, what u expect, this is not susposed
- to upset people hoping and praying all week it would
- atleast come Friday, put yourself in our shoes
- waiting, we know its alot of work for you, what we
- ask is that you dont let information be release
- until you can be sure it will be accurate and
- completed when you say, 3 delays is going to upset
- players.
-
- These Forums are huge if you have not noticed, with
- many post's and if you expect all of us to check
- every post well thats just not going to happen, so
- your rude comment about those who pay attention
- offends me.Maybe a little class on customer
- relations might help you out, every time i see a
- post of yours it becomes for and more offensive to
- some players infering we are idiots.I am very
- offended and upset but I have do deal with it like
- the others, but yourself you need a little patience
- sir.
-
-


whoever the hell is praying all week for a patch for a VIDEO GAME needs to throw out his computer and find a social life.


you are exactly the kind of person we do not need on this forum


Oleg himself should personally be allowed to take your copy of FB and punch you in the genitals


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 09:52 PM
Children, children

okay, that's it ...

you're getting cranky little men ...

time for nappies.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:01 PM
ryan2107 wrote:
-
- Oleg himself should personally be allowed to take
- your copy of FB and punch you in the genitals
-


I am PO'd about the patch, but this is the funniest post I've ready today!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:05 PM
I hear guys saying Papy is as big a jerk on HL as he is on this forum. Anybody want to join his squad../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


btw.. Papy. You disgrace the name of Papy. Try using another name.

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The_Blue_Devil
08-08-2003, 10:06 PM
VMF-214_Pappy wrote:
- Be patient Mr Maddox hmm lets think about that, how
- about yourself be patient with your dedicated
- customers. We have been patient for weeks now. We
- get word here than it changes than get more word hey
- its coming out the week of Aug 4th, than on Friday
- we hear its not, what u expect, this is not susposed
- to upset people hoping and praying all week it would
- atleast come Friday, put yourself in our shoes
- waiting, we know its alot of work for you, what we
- ask is that you dont let information be release
- until you can be sure it will be accurate and
- completed when you say, 3 delays is going to upset
- players.
-
- These Forums are huge if you have not noticed, with
- many post's and if you expect all of us to check
- every post well thats just not going to happen, so
- your rude comment about those who pay attention
- offends me.Maybe a little class on customer
- relations might help you out, every time i see a
- post of yours it becomes for and more offensive to
- some players infering we are idiots.I am very
- offended and upset but I have do deal with it like
- the others, but yourself you need a little patience
- sir.
-
-

Have you ever said anything nice to anyone Pappy? I mean really... Remember that English is not the first language for everyone, the way you phrase something in Russian may be totally different than the way you would phrase it in English. Try to smile and Buck up Sunshine, the patch is coming, name calling and b*tching won't get it here any faster.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:13 PM
Besides fixing the ATI card glitch, I hear the patch will bring world peace and get Schwarzenneger elected governor. That's alot. So, drink another beer and lighten up, Francis.


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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:17 PM
Arnold is a shoe in.

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 10:24 PM
VMF-214_Pappy wrote:
- Be patient Mr Maddox hmm lets think about that, how
- about yourself be patient with your dedicated
- customers. We have been patient for weeks now. We
- get word here than it changes than get more word hey
- its coming out the week of Aug 4th, than on Friday
- we hear its not, what u expect, this is not susposed
- to upset people hoping and praying all week it would
- atleast come Friday, put yourself in our shoes
- waiting, we know its alot of work for you, what we
- ask is that you dont let information be release
- until you can be sure it will be accurate and
- completed when you say, 3 delays is going to upset
- players.
-

Why don`t you put yourself in his shoes? And see how long you gonna last? W T F?

- These Forums are huge if you have not noticed, with
- many post's and if you expect all of us to check
- every post well thats just not going to happen, so
- your rude comment about those who pay attention
- offends me.Maybe a little class on customer
- relations might help you out, every time i see a
- post of yours it becomes for and more offensive to
- some players infering we are idiots.I am very
- offended and upset but I have do deal with it like
- the others, but yourself you need a little patience
- sir.
-
-


Do you have kids? If you do...would you get upset if someone calls your baby ugly? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Move along....

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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:26 PM
MZ6 wrote:
- I find this attitude of patience a little strange,
- after all it was'nt us the consumers who demanded
- apatch by a certain date, it was the developer who
- promised the patch and did not deliver, repeatedly.
- Imagine taking your car to a garage to get fixed,
- and over and over hearing "it's not ready yet".
- Would anyone be patient and understanding, or
- annoyed?

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Hunter82
08-08-2003, 11:39 PM
whatchu talkin bout Buzz ?

and yes he is on both questions /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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-
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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:44 PM
Hunter,

Whatchu you talking about what i'm talking about?



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XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:47 PM
Hedger wrote:
- Besides fixing the ATI card glitch, I hear the patch will bring world peace and get Schwarzenneger elected governor.
-
__________________________________________________ __________


Ooops! But, it is just an open Beta !!!!!!!!!

ROFL

XyZspineZyX
08-08-2003, 11:49 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- whatchu talkin bout Buzz ?

Pappy Boyington, "Black Sheep" and certainly not a Whiner!

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08-08-2003, 11:57 PM
Freycinet

Now what are you talking about? Where did I say anything like that?

I'm talking about VMF-214_Pappy on this thread. (top of this page)

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:09 AM
VMF-214_Pappy wrote:
- blah blah blah


Fool! Go Away.



Just imho, of course.



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08-09-2003, 12:11 AM
momma says life is like a box of ..........

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:11 AM
Once again..

Forum, I wont apologize for wanting the patch or whining.

I bought this the day it hit the shelves, cant REMEMBER the date, it is same code with many improvements that was going to an add-on, but became a full blown stand alone... That is fine, it was worth it.

I play SINGLE PLAYER for the most part and so did MORE than 80% of the people who bought this game, Im probably one of the few thats even left bothering to read these forums. The head on AI aircraft the AI and the AAA vaporizing everything were reasons enough for a patch EARLY on.

If you had a more UNBIASED opinion and loaded this up for the first time as a new user you would understand this.

Oleg, I will not apologize for any whining, or lack of patience, your combat flight sim is very good, and I never doubted your intent to support it, the IL-2 add-ons were more than I expected. Your work is appreciated and admired.

But this patch is late in coming for me the Single Player campaign user, and many others who no doubt already played the SP game and never played online and have now moved on and have no voice here.

For a masterpiece to be truly appreciated it must be complete.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:12 AM
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08-09-2003, 12:14 AM
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08-09-2003, 12:15 AM
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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:18 AM
BuzzU your lost this has nothing to do with you, i replied to oleg.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:20 AM
I realize that, but this is a public forum, and some of us don't like what you posted. You speak your mind, and we'll speak ours.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:21 AM
Sure seems funny, all this. I guess there a few groups that people fall into.

1. Worship Oleg, what he says is gospel.

2. Oleg is the devil.

3. Worship UBI, what they say is scripture.

4. Ubi is the devil.

5. Those that believe that flight simmers should get a life, which is like asking Bill Gates to get poor.

6. That one flight simmer that has a life, and that one guy is NOT any of us.

7. Those who are both patient and impatient for a patch that might or might not satisfy their wants/needs, and who realize that gaming software is ALWAYS one patch away from the "perfect" setting.

Me? I'm in the group drinking margauritas till it's time to d/l.

Cya there!

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:25 AM
EvilBen wrote:
- I'm scared that once this patch is released, they
- think they're off the hook and can wait another six
- months for the next patch... I hope not...



Oh my G0d !!!!!
Are you starting to whine about the second patch before the first patch is even released ?????????


P.S.- Oleg, I thought your game rocked without a patch.
Great fun as is. Thanks for the patch, though.
I can't begin to imagine the amount of work it must have taken to put together.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:26 AM
hehe, ok /me cracks another beer and sits back and mellows out. Sometimes its just the posts that get you worked up.

Everyone drink.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:36 AM
Hedus wrote:
- Me? I'm in the group drinking margauritas till it's
- time to d/l.
-
- Cya there!

amen.

seriously, the vocal minority around this place acts like a a bunch of 6th grade girls at recess --- drama, drama, and more drama. about nothing. that guy pappy's post was ridiculous. (unless he's 12. I think we were all like that when we were 12. Pappy, seriously, how old are you?)

I don't think Im alone saying that there are fewer and fewer interesting posts in the forums, and more and more BS. I really find myself visiting a lot less these days....

too bad, it was always such a fun distraction while at work. =)

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:41 AM
I don't know if anybody else said this(Too much to read here).
However, I am very much glad that the 'Patch Work'
was stopped for release @ 45Mb.
This will still be a 'Big Ask' for us 56K'ers,
on limited time/download plans.
I sure hope it works.

There will be so much clicking and d/loading going
on when it happens, I'll wait till the weekend.

Good to see you about the place Mr Maddox,
I hope you are well.
.........~S~........

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:46 AM
this should give folks time to dry thier eyes and change thier diapers..........

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08-09-2003, 01:03 AM
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08-09-2003, 01:03 AM
MOH_MADMAN wrote:
- this should give folks time to dry thier eyes and
- change thier diapers..........

/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Glad to have some info. Thanks to Cartrix, and to Oleg for giving us details.

Oleg Maddox wrote:

- So will be free small add-ons like usual with IL-2 and Big
- one on a CD (on CD: many planes, campaigns, Single
- missions for new planes, new online map or maps, ship(s),
- new objects and new features),

This CD version will be great for me. (I play mostly offline) I hope to have the new add on planes useful in a campaign, even better if some are allowed into the dynamic campaign system. I look forward to this. Thank you Mr. Maddox and 1C!

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 01:29 AM
Woot! This is great news. Really really looking forward to playing this game again. Just couldn't bring myself to fly my poor p-40 in fb or go back to Il2 either.

Heh I might even leave the default russian skin on my ride to celebrate for a while. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just a few more days for it then?

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 03:50 AM
Bump for the uninformed and n00bs

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:09 AM
Im sorry people Im noob here.
Who is Oleg?

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:38 AM
Lubcke wrote:
- Im sorry people Im noob here.
- Who is Oleg?
-
-



: )



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:56 AM
On behalf of the Canadian 401 Squadron I hail to Oleg

Bloody Good Work!

If you ever come to Miami look us up!

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:57 AM
Poor the little whiners!

Summer vacation is almost over and you don't have what you want! Can't sit inside and play video all day while the grownups are at work and so soon you'll have to go back to the terrible place where you can't pway and dey yell at you!

So sad! Got to blame someone. It was SUPPOSED to be ready, they said they couldn't promise but that don't mean for YOU! You want it and that's all there is to it! NOW! And if you can't have it NOW then you won't wuv ANYONE! Bwwwaaaaah!

Tantrum time. He said YOU didn't pay attention. Never mind that over and over the release dates are TENTATIVE. That's a Big Word so don't pay any attention to it, or any of that other stuff you don't understand or agree with or want. just focus on your hunger and the fact that September is getting near.

Funny how happy Mummy is in September, isn't it? She's just doing it to make you mad, too. It's all about you, really. The patch was ready the week before school let out but they're just keeping it away for the fun of seeing you upset, believe it. Of course maybe it's a diabolical plot to force you to go out and GET A LIFE!


Neal

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:01 AM
UR Spinne says ::Oleg sounds really annoyed with us. I guess he doesn't like patch whiners


So who does ? Learn some patience ..nothing good comes easy.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:10 AM
Pffft. "Don't whine about the patch", "wheres my patch" and the best of all is "Come here Mr. Oleg so I can smooch up to your butt".

I'm sure Oleg takes pride in his work and all and so he should but to be honest you guys are starting to remind me of some of the stooges over at RSC (for GPL) that think this game is the be all and end all and anyone who is out of the loop is a loser.

Jesus, grow up........

See you in the fence.....

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:27 AM
45Mb fits nicely onto my server space. If people think it's worth while, I'll mirror the patch on my server space and post a link, just in case the UBI channels get too crowded.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:31 AM
Alstiff my pooter can beat your pooter up! So shush.



Where's my Patch!



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:31 AM
You better have alot of bandwidth. You'll get flooded.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:35 AM
Hehe. Think I should back down then Buzz? Poor pooters gonna have to last me another year or so. I'd hate to see it knocked out with a lucky punch.



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 06:41 AM
Lubcke wrote:
- Im sorry people Im noob here.
- Who is Oleg?


Oleg Maddox is the developer of IL2 & FB. He and his team 1C games are the ones who brought us this sim.

Nuley wrote:

I am really getting a kick out of reading this thread. I haven't seen so much as- kissing in a very long time!

Nuley...everybody who posted in this thread was not among the "Where's the @#%&**! patch" crew. Besides that many of us actually think that this sim IS a masterpiece and have no problems expressing that to it's developer...actually I for one am glad that I CAN express my grattitude to the creator of something that has given me hours and hours of enjoyment at the mere cost of $39...(not counting the upgrades ..of course../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) and opened up a whole new aspect of history to me which I never relly knew about and feel pretty sure that he will actually GET my expressions of thanks. I have yet to get a response from Mr. G about CFS3....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ..hmmmmmmmm It isnt @ss kissing as you so eloquently<FONT COLOR="RED">insert sacasm here<FONT COLOR="WHITE"> put it. Usually when people kiss @ss they expect some kind of "perk". We are all getting the patch whether we "kiss @ss" or not ....even the rude jerks who were on this very forum spouting mega BS when the man was on a surgeons table under the knife....so for me ...and i am sure i am not alone...kissing @ss isnt in the equation. We are just glad that we got SOME definite news since as you must surely realize we are all in the same boat......flying this sim even as is ...and loving it.....or else we wouldnrt even be here.

And Papy.........MY GOODNESS MAN!!!!!! Save your prayers for world peace!!! A raise!!! A job!!! (if applicable..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ...I know it is TIGHT out here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif !!!) A good nights rest even!!!! But the PATCH!!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:23 AM
The patch is getting close!! I can almost smell it's foul..decaying ..grotesque face rearing at me with it's wicked wreched smile. Arm your cable modems and blast away!!

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eskimo-FHmod
08-09-2003, 08:58 AM
Oleg_Maddox wrote:
- I would like to go by such way and make CD cost say
- 8 euros, but I think it can't be happen....


mate, i bet your publisher wouldnt like that kind of price tag http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

good on you. IL2 sturmovik and forgotten battles proves that there are still decent people out there that dont sell you a crap game at rediculous prices. i often have to remind myself that FB, this little gem, only set me back aus $60 !!! not 99, not 89 NO !!! only bloody $59 !!!!
where else do you get value like that ?!

for future addons maybe it is worth investigating the options of pay per download. that way you d save greatly on distribution on CD and will still make a good buck.
i for one rather pay online and download then jump through hoops to track down an addon cd. online purchase/download is done way too little in the gaming world.
developers might be scared of warez but what would you have to fear with a product so good that it attracts die hard fans like the forum regulars.
hands up who d pay a small amount for future plane/scenario/campaign downloads ?



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 09:19 AM
LMAO!!!

Noce one! haha

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08-09-2003, 10:58 AM
salute.......



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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 12:47 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself Nealg /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Rock on featherhead! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

K2

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 01:10 PM
Can't wait for the patch! However the game is just great as it is and thanks to all who made it that way. The sounds of the different aircraft engines to the exhaust smoke on takeoff and the landing lights at night,WOW! It may be that I'm easily impressed to some but just love this game!

fluke39
08-09-2003, 01:28 PM
*pants* - out of breath

oh balls- did i miss something?

first day i havn't been on the forums in about 5 months and that happens - dang

er your'e probably long gone now but - thanks anyway Oleg /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
i suppose some people don't know about how things in the real world work !!

p.s as a reader of this entire thread (in about half an hour) i can now award the following awards

best post: the guy who said oleg could personally take pappy's copy of FB and punch him in the genitals - pure class

second best: maxgunz for eloquently summing up 90% of the patchwhiners - about 10 posts above this one

special mention of olegs post - without which none of this would have been possible /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

o well better late than never.....

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 03:56 PM
Thanks...no worries here, it will come soon enough

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 04:25 PM
S!

He he he

Thanks Mr Madox


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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 05:32 PM
For ryan2107:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:55 PM
Thats okay Buzzu, your a big brown noser like the rest.

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 07:58 PM
Papy,

Guys like you kill me. If your not insulting Oleg, then your a brown noser who worships him. Pretty lame bud. There is something in between. It's called respect. Have you ever heard that word before? You should look it up.

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08-09-2003, 08:17 PM
rgr

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08-09-2003, 08:18 PM
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08-09-2003, 08:20 PM
No fun in that Ven../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:20 PM
yep Buzz, am with u there

R E S P E C T to a lot of chaps who work to get a product out- on time, late or whatever they still work hard and take pride in their job. Although people are probably going to whine about that as well.
Wonder if people whine about MS as much- much more important as it is the OS for all of us. But then MS dont give u a chance to whine.
Whiners maybe you should respect the fact that thanks to these Forums you can Whine.

am off for a whisky, cheers all- whiners and non whiners

XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 08:45 PM
Ill take one Margarita and one Beer please. Sounds good to get drunk and wait for the Patch. Then again could you imagine all the fighting that would go on in the forum if we had a bunch of drunks waiting for the patch(more fighting than now that is.)

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 10:38 PM
You'd need to get drunk just to drown out the sound of all the *** kissing in this thread.

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XyZspineZyX
08-09-2003, 11:06 PM
Vanelvis, one margaurita coming up, jion the crowd.

BTW, are you gonna order a peanut butter and banana hamburger?

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 05:56 AM
A I happen to be 26 and sorry to offend you I speak my mind, what everyone has to view everything or have the same opinion as you. Alot of brown-nosers in the forum and I am not one of them, never had never will, if you dont like my post so be it. I post what I feel, I mean what I say. I might not be a goodie 2 shoer like the rest of you but what do you expect all of us to agree with you.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:00 AM
Papy,

Nobody is less of a brown nose than me, and nobody speaks their mind as much as I do. Here's an example.

Your an idiot.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 06:01 AM
Wow there is lots of venom in this thread. Now everyone kiss and make up /i/smilies/16x16_man-very-happy.gif

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The_Blue_Devil
08-10-2003, 07:36 AM
BuzzU wrote:
- Papy,
-
- Nobody is less of a brown nose than me, and nobody
- speaks their mind as much as I do. Here's an
- example.
-
-
- Your an idiot.
-
- Da Buzz

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 07:41 AM
Bill is pretty funny sometimes.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 08:11 AM
VMF-214_Pappy wrote:
- A I happen to be 26 and sorry to offend you I speak
- my mind, what everyone has to view everything or
- have the same opinion as you. Alot of brown-nosers
- in the forum and I am not one of them, never had
- never will, if you dont like my post so be it. I
- post what I feel, I mean what I say. I might not be
- a goodie 2 shoer like the rest of you but what do
- you expect all of us to agree with you.
-
-

you certainly dont act 26. you must be the single most immature 26 year old of all time.

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XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:45 AM
Oleg:
I have only one thing to say. I spent maybe 80dollars between IL2 and FB. I got two years of absolute FUN out of it so far. That is a little cheaper than running motorcycles or sport cars.
The entretainment per dollar is great. Know that your sim is great!

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 09:57 AM
Pappy, I'm 42, and one thing I have learned in the past 16 years is how much I didn't know when I was 26. I dearly wish I had had the wisdom to use my mind more and speak it less.

Just a thought from a guy who has made all the mistakes and hates to see someone younger doing the same thing.

And please--there is a difference between kissing *** and a sincere statement of appreciation. The first is politics, and the second is simply respect--something I wish I had known when I was 26.

Cheers.

XyZspineZyX
08-10-2003, 10:49 AM
hi,
thanks for this way..to get ahead ..with support

a complete and differentiable Read Me about all changes and complex features in game is important and helpfull...

checklist: before - now(fixed)

..even to the hardware compatibility and the improvements or changes..

thx

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 01:51 AM
very insulting attitude. no one expects perfection. Try kindness before insulting people. Only idiots feel they have to protect Oleg. He's a big man now. I'm sure he can handle himself.

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 01:57 AM
Now EVERYBODY give Oleg a kiss :*


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 06:58 AM
So, what's this? (bump btw)

It should be out today then? i'm sorry i have been on vacation and have not been following the board as i should have, now if someone could enlighten me.

Thanks,

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08-11-2003, 07:10 AM
anyone?


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 07:23 AM
TiGeR----- wrote:

Take a look to the sky just before you die..
- it's the last time you will!



That line would be from Metelica, Ride the lighting?


The patch will be out in the week comcening aug 11/03

lol


Silent out....



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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 07:28 AM
Thanks a heap /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Almost correct, the line is from "For whom the bell tolls" by Metallica of course. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 07:50 AM
Soory it's late, i was board.

Know one knows for shure but it is suppose to be out the week.



Thers is no escape
and that is for shure
this is the end we won't take any more
say goodbye
to the world you live in
you have always been taking
but now you giving


Silent out...



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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:39 AM
JG27_Arklight wrote:

- You're a doctor Murdoc???

Im not in a spelling bee here Ark

& yes Im a Doctor ROTF


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:44 AM
I find it odd that Oleg takes some small time & replies to a few people & the azzhat crowd has to start in right away

Im not a fan boy, I want the patch, planes & all that...

but seems you could have some respect after all he could just not ever reply to anyone, some people here are Ingrates

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:47 AM
WE HAVE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!! WE HAVE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!
Now......are you a Frazier Crane kind of doc or more of a Marcus elby kind of doc. Cause if you are a Frazier Crane kind of doc you might ber able to open up a virtual office for some of the folks here with "issues.." /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:50 AM
Eh,what`s up doc?

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 10:55 AM
Im more like the Jeckel & Hyde Kinda Doc

Im fighting Hyde all the time Hes a real pain http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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eskimo-FHmod
08-11-2003, 10:56 AM
hm , so i am the only one who would pay per download for addon planes/scenarios/campaigns/maps ?


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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 11:14 AM
Wow, and I actually thought with 7 pages that this thread might be going some where. Obviously not, back to the main forum, YAAAAWWWWWNNNN.

II/JG77Hawk_9 on HL

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 01:02 PM
Cool,
Sounds like the patch will be out soon.

45megs is plenty for those of us on dial up

XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 02:31 PM
But hey, 45MBs isn't impossible to download. If you get a decent connection it'll only take you a couple of hours (giggle)

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The_Blue_Devil
08-11-2003, 05:02 PM
eskimo-FHmod wrote:
- hm , so i am the only one who would pay per download
- for addon planes/scenarios/campaigns/maps ?
-
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- you cheap bastards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
-

Yep.. Why pay for something if you can get it for free? YaaaaY Capitalism.

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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:23 PM
Well you have get control of your self man. NO more drugs. Look where you are now, schizofrenai. sorry, but i can't spell.
I have wached Jeckel& Hyde. from what i have seen i would say Hyde is the man. So I would like finish of my paragraph by saying "stick with next time, hese cool".


Silent out.....



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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 05:26 PM
lol we still havent figured out what Oleg said.



Silent out....



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XyZspineZyX
08-11-2003, 07:42 PM
he said u smell bad

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ZG77_Nagual
08-11-2003, 07:48 PM
Hi, I'm the patch and I'm here to tell ya when I'm installed you won't give a rat's patootie about the downward visibility on account of that baby's a dream to fly and you'll have no trouble climbing right up the other guy's six for those 100 meter convergence shots.
So give it a rest - if they fix the view it'll be TOO good and no fun to fly.

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JerseyD
08-12-2003, 05:54 AM
The Raven Shield 1.4 patch ( A major big time bug fix patch) is scheduled for release today as well.

coincidence ?????????

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