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Flying_Buddha
02-15-2006, 02:03 AM
I'm going to be getting a new rig soon, and can't make my mind up between these two cards. I know the X1900XTS is more powerfull, but I can only have water 2! Although of course this is not the only game I'll be playing.

Which would you pick and why?

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-15-2006, 05:41 AM
I'm still in Nvidia's corner for now. SLI is still a step ahead of ATI's effort for dual card setup.

TB

WOLFMondo
02-15-2006, 06:01 AM
If your not using SLI then the X1900XTX. Its just a better more powerful card.

Even if you do want to use dual cards, ATI have there own dual card set up now as well called crossfire and its got some things SLI doesn't have too.

hamselv2
02-15-2006, 08:58 AM
ATI vs NVIDIA benchmark (using Pacific Fighters):
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/X1900XTXCF/x1900/il2.htm

Remember that NVIDIA 7900 should be released next month.

RocketDog
02-15-2006, 10:19 AM
For single-card systems, there's not much in it and it's just down to personal preference.

For double-card systems (SLI and Crossfire), I would strongly recommend Nvidia's SLI because flight sims haven't yet been incorporated into Crossfire drivers so you may actually get worse performance with two cards than one (yes, really). See the awful truth here: http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_077a.html

Now it may well be that ATi build support for PF (and Lock On and FS2004, for that matter) into future driver releases, but it's a bit of a gamble. I actually emailed the Catalyst development team about this but have had no reply.

Having said that, in single-card use it would be impossible to be dissapointed with either brand. I bought an X1900XT because it is far cheaper than the 512MB 7800GTX, because I've liked ATi's cards in the past and because the idea of spending over 700 on graphics cards alone for an SLI rig made me feel ill. So far I have been very pleased with the card - and from what I can see the new water=2 setting looks about the same as the water = 3 on the Nvidia cards.

Cheers,

RocketDog.

Flying_Buddha
02-15-2006, 11:00 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys, I pretty much agree with you all, for a single card setup it's the X1900XTX.

Although...

hamselv2: Thanks for the PF benchmarks link!

Interesting, it looks like a single card setup with the X1900XTX out performs the Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX SLI setup! Unless I'm reading it wrong?

Treetop64
02-15-2006, 11:17 AM
I'm using the X1900XTX now, and I moved up from an X1800XL (itself no slouch), but the leap in performance between the two is HUGE!

I can't tell you enough how nutty I am over this card. It's amazing.

The performance between the ATI and NVidia cards are close, with the X1900s better in most games while the 7800 is better in some others, but this is typically the case when comparing cards. However, the X1900XTX is less expensive than the 7800 (unless the price just recently dropped in response), generally performs better, particularly with all the eye-candy stuff enabled (AA, AF, etc.).

The Crossfire setup with the X1900XTX pretty much blows everything else out of the water, including SLI. Check any reliable website with extensive benchmark results.

Again, I had an X1800 before, and my system was smokin' then. Now I have an X1900XTX, and the rig is yet substantially faster than it was even with the X1800, and I couldn't be happier!

It all boils down to whichever brand you personally prefer. Do you like red better than lime green, or vice-versa?

nicolas10
02-15-2006, 11:24 AM
I'm tired of driver issues, so I bought a 7800GTX http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Flying_Buddha
02-15-2006, 11:38 AM
Thanks for that Treetop, I'm very tempted to get an ATI card! And it's nice to hear from people who already have one.

nicolas: drivers issues are also a consideration here. Although in some games like Silent Hunter III its the Nvidia drivers which are the problem! While ATI cards are just fine.

WOLFMondo
02-16-2006, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by nicolas10:
I'm tired of driver issues, so I bought a 7800GTX http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That really depends which games you play. Some games recently have had really bad problems with Nvidia drivers. Nvidia have gone downhill with drivers since the days of the Geforce4's when they were really rock solid.

georgeo76
02-16-2006, 05:41 AM
Get the x1900xt and OC it to XTX speeds (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2695), save the $100.

The new Crossfire Mobos (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29737) are due out any day now (ASUS MVP Deluxe).

Look here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/49310655/m/6951019014/p/1) for discussions of Xfire by the ppl who know more than me.

ddsflyer
02-16-2006, 12:35 PM
I agree with Treetop64. If you have a fast enough processor and a good enough monitor to take advantage of what the X1900XTX offers, nothing can beat it right now as a single card solution. I have one now in a new AMD 64 FX57 based system and it is truly awesome. I play at 1600x1200 4XAA, 16XAF with everything on perfect with no stuttering whatsoever.

Flying_Buddha
02-16-2006, 04:32 PM
Yeah I've pretty much made my mind up now, it's the X1900XTX for me. I'm also going for the X2 dual core 4800+ cpu from AMD. And I was just surfing up some monitors, and I did a search for wide screen monitors and found this site.

http://digitaltigers.com/index.shtml

Mmmm, how about one of these setups for PF ?

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

lairdperkins
02-16-2006, 07:24 PM
As far as I know, the only multiple monitor support for PF is triple head with the Matrox Parhelia cards...

I see sites like digitaltigers.com and I can't help thinking that even if they're legit you really pay a premium... 3 24" panels for 6grand?

Go to Dell.com and look for the 2005FPW and 2405FPW... they're samsung panels in Dell wrappers... 1680x1050 for the 20 inch and 1920x1200 for the 24 inch, sub 14ms response times. The 20" is around $500 and the 24" is around $1000 (I bought one on sale for $835 with shipping and tax)... These are by far the best widescreen LCDs on the market from a value standpoint.

Flying_Buddha
02-17-2006, 12:55 AM
Hi there Laird,

Thanks for the info about the dell monitors. I am looking at both of these models.

I was wondering what you and others think about the reponse times on these monitors. I think they are 12ms, is that fast enough to prevent any ghosting while playing PF and other games?

crazyivan1970
02-17-2006, 03:06 AM
Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
I'm still in Nvidia's corner for now. SLI is still a step ahead of ATI's effort for dual card setup.

TB

Sorry to say TBolt...but they actually step behind in any game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Crossfire edition setup with even 2 X1800XT`s is slightly better....but 1900`s pulled ahead, marginally http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif If you dont trust me, ask Hunter for dual X1800XT`S Crossfire setup test results in IL2. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

lairdperkins
02-17-2006, 04:03 PM
Buddha,

I have both a 20" and a 24" panel. The response time on both is listed at 12ms grey to grey.

I play FPS games competitivly (well CAL... it's been a long time since I made money playing Quake during summer vacation =). I've never noticed any ghosting or monitor related artifacts at the native panel resoltuions. My stats have actually improved by about 20% since I switched to the 24" panel (from a 19" CRT - the 20" panel is on one of my "work" PCs). Some of this is the wider field of view, and some of it is the larger heads to aim at =)

Flying_Buddha
02-17-2006, 04:42 PM
Thanks dude,

Think I'm gonna go for the 24" widescreen!