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ashley2005
11-22-2004, 01:20 PM
NVIDEA 6800 or ATI 9800 PRO / witch one of these cards would be better for pacific pie eaters ?

musickna
11-22-2004, 01:47 PM
I have both - Sapphire 9800 Pro 128MB & Gainward 6800 GT 256MB to be precise - and while on the face of it the later generation nVidia card would seem to be a no-brainer, I honestly don't see that much performance gain over the ATI in a FB-AEP-PF install. In fact, because I like to play with 4xAA at 1280x960 with Perfect=0, I find that looking at taking-off aircraft from a shallow angle with objects & forest in the background gives lower framerates for the 6800 GT!

The 6800 does give the pretty water=3 but I don't think it's worth the price premium to be honest.

Now the story with other games will be different - after all the 6800 GT scores about 2000 points higher in 3Dmark05 - but if all you are going to play is PF, you might as well save money and get the Radeon.

Gr7_Bizu-RO
11-22-2004, 04:13 PM
I just replaced my radeon 9800 xt with Gforce
6800 Gt and indeed not much of a difference
Radeon was even more stable.But for the sake of water=3 i,m using Gforce..if you are not interested in this detail stay with radeon.screenshot for water=3 (http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/yago9_2000/detail?.dir=1d06&.dnm=1cf4.jpg&.src=ph)

roybaty
11-22-2004, 07:31 PM
If you get a 9800 get it off of Ebay, otherwise you'll probably pay too much for a new Radeon. If you want to go the traditional route of buying from a retailer then you should probably grab a Geforce 6600GT, these are now available in AGP8x for $200-$220 and offer somewhat better performance than the 9800s, not earth shattering mind you, but better nonetheless.

As for the Geforce 6800 or the ATI X800 they're in a whole other ballpark and to really take advantage of their performance you would probably want to upgrade your whole system otherwise a waste of cash for a card you can't fully utilize.

actionhank1786
11-22-2004, 07:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by musickna:
I have both - Sapphire 9800 Pro 128MB & Gainward 6800 GT 256MB to be precise - and while on the face of it the later generation nVidia card would seem to be a no-brainer, I honestly don't see that much performance gain over the ATI in a FB-AEP-PF install. In fact, because I like to play with 4xAA at 1280x960 with Perfect=0, I find that looking at taking-off aircraft from a shallow angle with objects & forest in the background gives _lower _framerates for the 6800 GT!

The 6800 does give the pretty water=3 but I don't think it's worth the price premium to be honest.

Now the story with other games will be different - after all the 6800 GT scores about 2000 points higher in 3Dmark05 - but if all you are going to play is PF, you might as well save money and get the Radeon. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

At such a high screen resolution, does AA even have an effect aside from slowing down the game?

Slammin_
11-22-2004, 08:47 PM
I dunno. Been a long time since I've considered 1280x960 HIRES. But yes, even at that res, you still need AA, although ansio doesn't seem to matter much at that point.

Hunde_3.JG51
11-22-2004, 09:24 PM
I just went from burnt out 9800pro to 6800-GT and the difference is huge.

AMD 2800+
768MB PC-2700
Asus A7N8X-X
Audigy 2 ZS

From the reviews I have read the 6800 is a little less cpu dependent than the Radeon.

But the important thing is that the 6800GT seems to run better with high resolutions, like 1600x1200, than the high end Radeon cards. However, I think the Radeon takes much less of a hit with AA and AF turned on high levels. I prefer high resolution with a little AA and AF rather than running at say 1024 with 8xAA and 8xAF. I have a 21-inch ViewSonic and to me the 1600x1200 resolution puts everything else to shame in terms of look, it makes a huge difference. At that high res you only need small amounts of AA and AF and this new 6800 GT runs this very well.

So far I am extremely impressed with the 6800 GT after being a long time ATI guy. But having my 9800pro burn out in a little over a year has left a bad taste in my mouth and Nvidia will likely have to make a mistake for me to switch back.

This new BFG 6800GT also comes overclocked with alot of head-room, has 24/7 phone support, and a lifetime warranty which will make selling it much easier when I am ready to switch again. There is alot to like about this card, at least I am happy with it so far. Top notch construction too with multiple fans and copper heat sinks, even has a sort of heat dispensing bar/tube that hangs off to the side to draw away heat.

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/8/0,1311,sz=1&i=80575,00.jpg

Slammin_
11-22-2004, 09:42 PM
You sound like me. No loyalty to either of these money makers. Right now, I'm lovin my BFG 6800 GT OC. Before this, I was lovgin an ATI 9800XT and a 9700Pro before taht.

And I won't even bother remembering what was prior to that, but note that SLI 3DFX was somewhere in the picture.

Really, we have it better now than ever, though I don't the price to admission is in line anymore.

This **** is getting WAY too expensive!

CapBackassward
11-22-2004, 09:47 PM
I just went from ATI to Nvidia. No contest for this sim. Nvidia all the way. It's what the game was designed on. But if you play a lot of other games - then you'll have to decide. I've got both brands and some games look a little better on one card than the other. But if IL 2 is your main game, then go Nvidia.

Rick