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M2morris
05-19-2007, 08:25 PM
This is a condensed version of a conversation I had today with a WW2 veteran in a hardware store in Clovis, California:


M = Me
V = WW2 Vet


V: " You know were I can find the bathroom
fawcets area?"

M: "I think they are over there, a few isles down that way."

V: "Thanks."

M: "So, B-17 huh?"

V: "What?"

M: "Your hat; B-17 Flying Fortress."

V: "Oh, ya. Yep. B-17."

M: "So, Wadyou do?"

V: "Ball Turrett gunner."

M: "No kiddin, man that's incredible, so you were cramped into that ball for all the way and... did you see any action, Germany?"

V: "Oh hell ya, flew 22 missions, saw Berlin get bombed three times."

M: " Man, wow."

V: " Yep."

M: "You have 4 fifties in that turret?"

V: " Nope, two."

M: " You must have seen 109s and 190s."

He looked at me sharply then.

V: " Ya, and they also had Jets! I shot at em alot, but I never knew if I got any of em."

M: "Holy gee."

V: " Saw seven fellow B-17s get shot down over Nueremburg all around me."

M: "Didn't you have P-51s there to help?"

V: " Well, ya but they and the 47s held back away from us when we were on the run."

M: "Becuase of the flak?"

V: " And the Geramns fighters too were not around then, so the flak could get us, the flak was tertrible, just..."

M: "Sory sir, for bothering you with all the questions."


V: " Oh thas okay."
M: Let me take you over to find the bathroom fawcets."

I put my hand on his shoulder and helped him, we talked about his bathroom plumbing.

crucislancer
05-19-2007, 08:33 PM
Very cool, M2morris, thanks for sharing that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

papotex
05-19-2007, 11:20 PM
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Freelancer-1
05-19-2007, 11:22 PM
Interesting meeting for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


It also illustrates something that has bothered me with this game.

Having the flack firing when friendlies are on the attack.

Never quite sat right with me. Or now that I think about it. Maybe I should break off when the flak starts up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Then again, during the war it was the flak that stopped when the fighters arrived not the other way around.

Ah...F*** it. I'm too tired to think right now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Thanks for sharing.

Cheers,

karost
05-20-2007, 12:13 AM
Thanks for sharing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

joeap
05-20-2007, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by Freelancer-1:

Having the flack firing when friendlies are on the attack.

Never quite sat right with me. Or now that I think about it. Maybe I should break off when the flak starts up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Then again, during the war it was the flak that stopped when the fighters arrived not the other way around.



Awesome story M2 hope you were really nice with that guy. Discount maybe. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Anyway, Freelancer...if bombers were attacking a fleet or factory complex, once the bombers got close enough I imagine the flak WOULD start up. Any friendlies in the area...were not supposed to be there. Plus how could fighters communicate directly with flak?

Freelancer-1
05-20-2007, 08:50 AM
Hi joeap

It's just that I have heard in multiple accounts of bomber crew accounts how they would tense up when the flak stopped because they knew they were about to get bounced.

And of course the AA crews were trained to recognize different types of aircraft as well as having radios and intelligence.

Tailspin45
05-20-2007, 12:18 PM
You might enjoy this vet's tale too. It's a bit off topic, not about B-17 crews, but it's authentic first person account:

http://tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2007/04/motorboat.html

You can create the same effect. The props do create a wake if you get low enough.