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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:02 PM
I am going to be in Germany Next week and will be in Munich for a day. Anything to see there?



Message Edited on 10/06/03 09:02PM by dragonhart38

Message Edited on 10/06/0309:03PM by dragonhart38

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:02 PM
I am going to be in Germany Next week and will be in Munich for a day. Anything to see there?



Message Edited on 10/06/03 09:02PM by dragonhart38

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:16 PM
hi ,
what are you doing for 1 day only in munich ?
are you on an 14 days europe trip ?
every day in another country ?

ah, i am not too far from munich /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif a little bit outside.

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It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 11:36 PM
Go here - http://www.deutsches-museum.de/

Great museum experience. If you have only one day, you'll need it to see everything there.

Also check out the Schleissheim aeronautical branch museum, which is a bit north of museum.



Blutarski

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:02 AM
There are tons of things to see in munich. The sites are just awesome. The Hoffbrauhuas (SP) is there plus tons of museums. And also Dachau is not far from there its a very interesting place.



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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:09 AM
S! DragonHeart!

You should have been there a week ago! Octoberfest in Munich (which is during the last two weeks of September - go figure) is bigger than Mardi Gras in New Orleans.

I lived in Bamberg, a couple hours north of Munich, for three years from 1994-1997. Bavaria is a wonderful area. If you had more time I'd tell you to go to Bamberg for a day. Bamberg has a cathedral built in 1467 (before the fall of Rome) and is the only place in the world North of the Alps with a Pope buried there. If you had even MORE time I'd tell you to head East a bit and visit Salsburg on the other side of the Austrian border. I really LOVED Austria!! If I ever re-located outside of the United States, Austria would be my first choice.

But you don't have time. I would however suggest taking a couple of hours to visit Dachau. Dachau is JUST North of Munich - visiting it will be a life changing experience for you.

You won't find any shortage of things to do in Munich. My suggestion - do Dachau in the morning, the sites in Munich in the afternoon, and then get smashed in a beer garden somewhere downtown after dinner.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:15 AM
RAF74_Wall-dog wrote:My suggestion -get
- smashed in a beer garden

Don't you mean biergarten?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif j/k

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:15 AM
is octoberfest still on? If so GO TO THE TENTS! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:22 AM
LOL Why? What's happening in the tents?/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:24 AM
drink drink drink drink women drink drink drink music drink drink drink drink drink drink....thats what happens in the TENTS

GOGOGOGOGOGOOOOOO TO THE TENTS

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:34 AM
necrobaron wrote:
- LOL Why? What's happening in the tents?

All kinds of good stuff! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I recomend the Auzzie tent.. A few Kewies show up and then next thing you know some AUS guy is climbing up the ive cover test polls swinging from the ceiling... God those AUS are cazy! But fun to drink with !!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:38 AM
go to the museum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you will see a Ju52 and a 109E there. plus some other GREAT planes!!!!!!!

look at that:

http://www.deutsches-museum.de/ausstell/dauer/luft/liste1.htm

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The 110 and the desert!!!
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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:20 AM
lots of bavarians with fethered hats and lederhosen drinking beer from a 1 liter mug... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


and the deutches museum of course ... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 02:39 AM
RAF74_Wall-dog wrote:
- S! DragonHeart!
-
- You should have been there a week ago! Octoberfest
- in Munich (which is during the last two weeks of
- September - go figure) is bigger than Mardi Gras in
- New Orleans.
-
- I lived in Bamberg, a couple hours north of Munich,
- for three years from 1994-1997. Bavaria is a
- wonderful area. If you had more time I'd tell you
- to go to Bamberg for a day. Bamberg has a cathedral
- built in 1467 (before the fall of Rome) and is the
- only place in the world North of the Alps with a
- Pope buried there. If you had even MORE time I'd
- tell you to head East a bit and visit Salsburg on
- the other side of the Austrian border. I really
- LOVED Austria!! If I ever re-located outside of the
- United States, Austria would be my first choice.
-
- But you don't have time. I would however suggest
- taking a couple of hours to visit Dachau. Dachau is
- JUST North of Munich - visiting it will be a life
- changing experience for you.
-
- You won't find any shortage of things to do in
- Munich. My suggestion - do Dachau in the morning,
- the sites in Munich in the afternoon, and then get
- smashed in a beer garden somewhere downtown after
- dinner.



I am actually going to be in Nuremburg for most of the week on business then saturday afternoon some collegues and I are going to drive down to Munich to have some fun.
Great suggestions. I think I will take your advise. What about Saturday afternoon, I won't be leaving Nurmeburg till about 1:00 By the time I get into Munich I won't have much time other than to head downtownn for a few bevies.
Too bad I missed Octoberfest and all the partying with those German Frauleins.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:15 AM
S! DragonHeart!

You'll be driving right by Bamberg. Why don't you stop and take a look? You'll have time to stop at the cathedral and have a 'smokebrau' at the Monestary. There is a cool story about the 'smokebrau' at the Bamberg Monestary (St. Micheals I think the name is). At some point a long long time ago the monestary burned down. The monks thought the beer was ruined and were going to throw it away, but one of the monks decided to taste it to make sure it was ruined. It turned out that the smoke from the fire had NOT ruined the beer, but had instead given it a very unique flavor. Over time the monks perfected the art of smoking beer, and still make it today.

Bamberg is built on seven hills, and was the original center of the Roman Catholic religion. There is an interesting story there also - if you draw a map of the 'known world' at the time the Roman Catholic Church was founded, Bamberg is smack dab in the center... But after a short time people realized that the world was bigger than that and moved the center of the religion to Rome. But Bamberg still has a pope entombed in the cathedral!

After having lived in Bamberg for three years, I could tell you all kinds of stories about it. The bottom line is that it is a beautiful city, untouched by either world war. Bamberg is worth the stop...

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:21 AM
Never mind! Nurnberg is about 45 minutes south of Bamberg... That's out of your way... I used to know that area pretty well - Bamberg, Schweinfurt, Nurnberg, and Munich, but it's been six or seven years since I lived there.

Munich is a great city. It'll be easy to spend two evenings there.

While you are in Nurnberg though, there is a little bar in one of the towers of the city wall near the 'red light district.' If you can find that bar, it's worth a stop as well!

You are lucky. I'd absolutely LOVE to have a job that let me travel back to Germany every once in a while.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:06 AM
- Munich is a great city. It'll be easy to spend two
- evenings there.
-
- While you are in Nurnberg though, there is a little
- bar in one of the towers of the city wall near the
- 'red light district.' If you can find that bar,
- it's worth a stop as well!
-
- You are lucky. I'd absolutely LOVE to have a job
- that let me travel back to Germany every once in a
- while.
-


Thanks RAF74. I will check out the bar by the city wall in Nuremburg. Should be good.

Yes its nice to get over to Europe a few times a year. I also go to Copenhagen (The Scandanavian ladies are real treat to see there) and Switzerland. Drove from Zurich to Bern and back really a beautiful drive in the winter. I really like Switzerland.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:31 AM
dragonhart,
if you want, than i will help you, to navigate around the city of munich .
here is my email adress
Boandlgramer@hotmail.com
make a list what are your interest.
planes, beer or anything else ?
the Deutsches musseum is the first adress. but its a very huge musseum. 1 day is almost too few.
me 262, komet , V1 , V2 , , dr1, ju 52 , the bachem natter and a lot other planes . many many books as well.

outside of munich is the "Flugwerft Oberschleißheim "with many other planes. from the WW1 , ww2 and postwar .



there is also a little lake , called Tegernsee, with a famous " Br√¬§ust√ľberl ". a must see /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

boandl


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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 04:37 PM
Great Boanlgramer!. I definitely would like to eat in a few good restaurants, sample the local beer and maybe seem some ww2 vintage a/c.

RAF74 suggested I go and see Dachau I think I should like to do this to see it for myself.

Any other places to suggest? I will have my laptop computer with me so I will be able to access the forums while I am over there and give you guys an update.

Dragon.


Boandlgramer wrote:
- dragonhart,
- if you want, than i will help you, to navigate
- around the city of munich .
- here is my email adress
- Boandlgramer@hotmail.com
- make a list what are your interest.
- planes, beer or anything else ?
- the Deutsches musseum is the first adress. but its
- a very huge musseum. 1 day is almost too few.
-
- me 262, komet , V1 , V2 , , dr1, ju 52 , the
- bachem natter and a lot other planes . many many
- books as well.
-
- outside of munich is the "Flugwerft Oberschleißheim
- "with many other planes. from the WW1 , ww2 and
- postwar .
-
-
-
-
-
- there is also a little lake , called Tegernsee, with
- a famous " Br√¬§ust√ľberl ". a must see /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif -
- boandl
-
-
-
http://www.bayern.de/Layout/wappen.gif -
- Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
- It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman
- Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic
- tribes. According to a widespread theory, the
- Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who
- remained in the country, the original Celtic
- population and the Germanic invaders.
-
- Bavarian History : <a
- href="http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/gesc
- hichteE.html#kap0"
- target=_blank>http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Informat
- ion/geschichteE.html#kap0</a>

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 05:57 PM
dragonhart,
can you spend 2 days in munich ?
then i will make a short program for you .
with a musseum visit and good food , and of course beer /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:07 PM
I will spending 1.5 days in Munich.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:34 PM
BLUTARSKI wrote:
- Go here - http://www.deutsches-museum.de/
-
- Great museum experience. If you have only one day,
- you'll need it to see everything there.
-
- Also check out the Schleissheim aeronautical branch
- museum, which is a bit north of museum.
-


I'll second that! (I haven't seen the Schleissheim, maybe next time)...

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 07:00 PM
ok dragonhart.
that‚¬īs my plan for you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

first thing to do, visit the deutsches musseum, check out all planes there , engines, rockets and very important very nice warship-models.
then going (not too far , about 5 min) to the " weißes brauhaus, exzellent bavarian food and beer, then going to marienplatz, visit the rathaus and the church around. then a cup of coffee in " woerners cafe " . then you are down for a break /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
, next day driving through the streets of munich: ludwigsstra√üe , k√¬∂nigsplatz .
then flugwerft schleißheim.
eating some sandwiches ( you havn‚¬īt the time for more) and going to the KZ Dachau ( yes , its a must see,otherwise you can‚¬īt believe what the nazis did with the jews and with regime opponents.


enough ? i think so .

forget the Hofbr&#228;uhaus , its for tourists only /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



edit : where are you sleeping ?
if help is needed, let me know



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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0



Message Edited on 10/07/0306:05PM by Boandlgramer

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:17 PM
Boandlgramer:

What is the name of that great Bavarian restaurant across the Marienplatz from the State Opera House? I've eaten there several times - venison, spaetzle, and pickled beets - ganz geschmeckt!



Blutarski

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 09:13 PM
Hello Blutarski,

State opera house ?


Staatstheater am G√¬§rtnerplatz ?

http://www.muenchen-tourist.de/img/stadtinformationen/theater/gaertnerplatztheater.jpg



or Nationaltheater (bayerische staatsoper )


http://www.muenchen-tourist.de/img/stadtinformationen/theater/oper.jpg



but i guess , you meant the g√¬§rtnetplatztheater. i know a restaurant not too far , but i never was there. my love goes to the "Wei√ües Brauhaus" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


btw. what have you done in munich ? US Army ?

believe it or not , but for the city of munich it was a bad event, when most of the US army left the town .


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Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

Message Edited on 10/07/0308:13PM by Boandlgramer

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 09:33 PM
Boandlgramer,

Definitely the Bayerische Staatsoper! I recognize the photo. I was wrong on the Marienplatz. My mistake The restaurant would actually be quite close to the corner of Maxmilianstrasse and Rezidenzstrasse, and facing the Staatsoper.



Blutarski

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:54 AM
Sehr Gut mein herr. I will follow your plan. Thanks to all for the suggestions and the restaurants ( I love pickled beets) Deutshces musseum and Dachau ( I owe to myself as a human being to see this place) One of my collegues is from Poland and saw Auschwitz (he's catholic) quite moving he said.



Boandlgramer wrote:
- ok dragonhart.
- that‚¬īs my plan for you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
-
- first thing to do, visit the deutsches musseum,
- check out all planes there , engines, rockets and
- very important very nice warship-models.
- then going (not too far , about 5 min) to the "
- weißes brauhaus, exzellent bavarian food and beer,
- then going to marienplatz, visit the rathaus and
- the church around. then a cup of coffee in "
- woerners cafe " . then you are down for a break /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
- , next day driving through the streets of munich:
- ludwigsstra√üe , k√¬∂nigsplatz .
- then flugwerft schleißheim.
- eating some sandwiches ( you havn‚¬īt the time for
- more) and going to the KZ Dachau ( yes , its a must
- see,otherwise you can‚¬īt believe what the nazis did
- with the jews and with regime opponents.
-
-
- enough ? i think so .
-
-
- forget the Hofbr√¬§uhaus , its for tourists only
- /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-
-
-
-
- edit : where are you sleeping ?
- if help is needed, let me know
-
-
-
-
- http://www.bayern.de/Layout/wappen.gif
-
- Bavaria is one of the oldest European states.
- It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman
- Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic
- tribes. According to a widespread theory, the
- Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who
- remained in the country, the original Celtic
- population and the Germanic invaders.
-
- Bavarian History : <a
- href="http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/gesc
- hichteE.html#kap0"
- target=_blank>http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Informat
- ion/geschichteE.html#kap0</a>
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 10/07/03‚ 06:05PM by
- Boandlgramer

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 06:29 AM
dragonhart,
if it help you, i can send you a small landscape with some important datas.
via telefax.


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It dates back to about 500 A.D., when the Roman Empire was overcome by the onslaught of Germanic tribes. According to a widespread theory, the Bavarian tribe had descended from the Romans who remained in the country, the original Celtic population and the Germanic invaders.

Bavarian History : http://www.bayern.de/Bayern/Information/geschichteE.html#kap0

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:50 AM
lots of germans

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 02:43 PM
Boandlgramer,

The restaurant I was trying to recall is the Spaten Haus, in the Maxmilianplatz. A very fine dining experience.


Blutarski

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 04:09 PM
Boandlgramer wrote:
- first thing to do, visit the deutsches musseum,
- check out all planes there , engines, rockets and
- very important very nice warship-models.

And don't forget the U1, the first submarine in the basement /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

- forget the Hofbr√¬§uhaus , its for tourists only

Well, having missed Oktoberfest, I think Hofbr√¬§uhaus is the closest equivalent (but only if you like big mugs of beer and not being able to speak but only shout nonsense... nice to see anyway)

If you like football, and there happens to be a match, go to the olympic stadium, which is quite a sight itself.

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 07:12 PM
Good thing to see Dachau by the end of the visit. I became so depressed there that it ruined the next couple of days. Still, it is good to go, in a "necessary" sort of way.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 08:06 PM
Freycinet said it first, but go to Dachau, made me cry!!

At the end of the Museum tour they had a piece of wood from every one of the powers involved in the liberation (I went in the early 80's) Oak from England, Redwood from the Usa etc. Never have I been somewhere before that laughter in any form would have been more inapropiate. Man it'was a wierd place but very worth the visit.

After that very depressing interlude get yer ar*e over to Munich itself and just hope you time it right for the Octoberfest,,,,,,,,,,,,

XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 09:23 PM
S! All!

When I went to Dachau there a bunch of skin-heads visiting the place. When I got to the crematorium, a skin-head leaned over to me, pointed at an oven and asked (in English - he obviously knew I was an American...) "Do you think they would still light?"

My reply: "Why don't you climb in and we'll find out."

I didn't find the neo-nazi's joke appropriate, but I still chuckle when I think about my reply.

It's sad but true that there are STILL a lot of neo-nazis out there. And I'm glad we have places like Dachau to remind us just how evil those people really are.

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XyZspineZyX
10-08-2003, 10:16 PM
RAF,
A brilliant reply!! lol

I bet your better online than me as well because my reaction would probably have been to "chin" him,, with all the sh*t that that would have entailed,,,,, patience is a virtue but don't that level of **CKIN ignorance make you realise something,,,

It would be lovely to be able to wave a magic wand and make tw*ts like that feel what it must have been like to be on the recieving and of all that,,,,,,,, then let their conscience do the rest!!

I know,,,,, thats wrong