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Charlie901
05-12-2005, 08:37 PM
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Actually it has 3, 3.2, core prosessors.

If this is true it's gonna put the pc way behind the eightball for gamming.

Charlie901
05-12-2005, 08:37 PM
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Actually it has 3, 3.2, core prosessors.

If this is true it's gonna put the pc way behind the eightball for gamming.

GoToAway
05-12-2005, 08:44 PM
That isn't quite the way that SMP works...

jarink
05-12-2005, 08:48 PM
Does it/will it be able to run FB/AEP/PF? (or BoB?)
Can I import my own skins?
Can I create my own missions and campaigns?
Can I capture screenshots and movies?

Hmm. Maybe the PC isn't behind the eight ball for people who want more out of their games. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Don't think I'll be getting an XBox, but I'm definitley getting a new PC in about 2 months. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Dexmeister
05-12-2005, 08:57 PM
I love my XBox. No config required, great game selections. The PC is now reserved only for sims. Forza or Splinter Cell CT on XBox with an HD projector and force feedback wheel is a heavy buzz.

Great product IMO.

fordfan25
05-12-2005, 09:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charlie901:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Actually it has 3, 3.2, core prosessors.

If this is true it's gonna put the pc way behind the eightball for gamming. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i dout there will be many PCs that will be able to display what next gen consoles are going to be able to do. and remember PS3 is from what dev's have said "magnitudes more powerfull than xbox360." but it wont take to long for high end Pcs to surpass them. ofcourse your compairing 1500 to 2000 doller PCs to a 300 to 400$ console that you wont have to upgrade for 4 to 6 years. thay both have there ups and downs. heck just look at screens of 2 days to vagis. so far screenis look even better than HL2. the new unreal engien thay say will be on the new consoles as well. heck Xbox 360 is going to have a gpu equil to the next batch of top end ATI cards at least thats what iv read in interviews ect.

i my self am very intersted in what the big N is doing with the REV.

VW-IceFire
05-12-2005, 09:19 PM
On the contrary...PC's are about to make the next leap too. By the time the 360 is ready for market, the PC will be going dual core, with far more memory, and ATI and nVidia are likely to arrive (at least on paper) with cards twice as fast as the current gen (so they say) by end of the year.

This is, however, the first time in recent memory that a console has punched through the current ceiling of performance. I think its interesting...IBM is potentially in a posturing position to become a major chip player in the PC or similarly oriented computing area.

For a console to become a simming platform...it still has to go the next step with sufficient interface to operate something like what we already enjoy.

ImpStarDuece
05-12-2005, 09:51 PM
Don't forget little old Nintendo.

IBM signed a hardware development deal with them as did nVidia (I think). However the specs probably wont be as impressive as the 'Big Two'

The thing is why do you need to have machines that run that much faster than they do at the moment? Isn't it really just bigger, faster, better syndrome? The idea that a new generation of consoles is going to be better simply because its faster? Isn't that just a little ridiclous?

The returns to scale are getting smaller and smaller as time goes on. Sure the jumps from 8 to 16 to 64 bit were great, the evolution of technology changed the way we play and look at games. But the steps foward aren't as giant as they used to be. To me there is no feeling of pushing boundaries anymore, not hing fresh, not ing new. Now its just all about the number of polygons your hardware can push around a screen. It fells like they are just cranking up the numbers so they can sell X number of consoles and ship X number of games with them.
Personally, I'd rather see companies investing in better ways for us to play and enjoy games, rather than simply updating old ideas with better graphics and crisper sound.

To paraphrase Shigeru Miyamoto "When was the last time we invented a new genre? When was the last time we did anything but recycle old ideas?"

fordfan25
05-12-2005, 09:52 PM
thing is ice you said PCs are about to go duel core. xbox360 has three and ps3 has the cell wich is like 7 cores built into one or something like that. like you said the gpu makers are about to come out with new line of gpus that are going to blow away what we have now. thats just what is going into the new xbox. the new consoles also have a great amount of ram. not as much as PCs but remember consoles dont have to run windows ect. thay come more stream lined and "tweaked" than you can make a pc on its best day. dont get me wrong im not takeing sides lol. just like discussing this sorta thing. any way for me its less about the graphics this gen and more about inovation wich is why im waiting to see what the REV is going to be about. i think with online gameing becomeing more to the norm with consoles we'll be seeing key bords mice ect for them. heck the dreamcast had a keyboard what 6 to 7 years ago.

the things i like about consoles are, thayer so much more cost effective and there almost 100% trouble free. i know i can go buy RE4 or GT bring it home and its going to play. no waiting for driver or patchs ect. and i know my game is going to look and play just as well as some rich boy with his moomy and daddys deep pockets lol. no tweaking or tring to figure out why so in so sound card ect is not working or haveing to spend 400 bucks just for a gpu or cpu to be able to make the games look like thay do in the screen shots.

the down side to consoles is almost no sim type games http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif and thay start geting long in the tooth after 3 or 4 years. also thay as of today cant do alot of the things a pc can how ever seeing as i use my pc only for net surfing "-porn- lol" and games thats no biggy for me. take away the posabilty of hardwear/softwear conflicts and the cost of parts, PCs are IMO the better way to go but for me all that factors in IRL. one never knows a mounth after a console release ati may make a ground breaking dicovery and release a card that can make things look perfectly real ofcourse youll need 400 to 600 bucks to buy it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
05-12-2005, 09:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Don't forget little old Nintendo.

IBM signed a hardware development deal with them as did nVidia (I think). However the specs probably wont be as impressive as the 'Big Two'

The thing is why do you need to have machines that run that much faster than they do at the moment? Isn't it really just bigger, faster, better syndrome? The idea that a new generation of consoles is going to be better simply because its faster? Isn't that just a little ridiclous?

The returns to scale are getting smaller and smaller as time goes on. Sure the jumps from 8 to 16 to 64 bit were great, the evolution of technology changed the way we play and look at games. But the steps foward aren't as giant as they used to be. To me there is no feeling of pushing boundaries anymore, not hing fresh, not ing new. Now its just all about the number of polygons your hardware can push around a screen. It fells like they are just cranking up the numbers so they can sell X number of consoles and ship X number of games with them.
Personally, I'd rather see companies investing in better ways for us to play and enjoy games, rather than simply updating old ideas with better graphics and crisper sound.

To paraphrase Shigeru Miyamoto "When was the last time we invented a new genre? When was the last time we did anything but recycle old ideas?" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a man after my own heart so to speak lol.
also

Shigeru Miyamoto "When was the last time we invented a new genre? When was the last time we did anything but recycle old ideas?"

that man is the T.hawk of video games. ZELDA IN THE HOUSE.

also i would not be to sure about the rev not keeping up with at least the 360.

LuckyBoy1
05-12-2005, 10:57 PM
No one process will run any faster than what we have now, so don't get your hopes up!

Badsight.
05-12-2005, 11:15 PM
i love to see peeps who game mostly on the PC talk about the Xbox 2

fact is , withthe PS3 & Xbox 2 , you are finally going to get a decent gaming platform in a console

they both will be must-owns

Aaron_GT
05-13-2005, 03:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">By the time the 360 is ready for market, the PC will be going dual core, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dual core Opterons start shipping in a couple of months. Quad cores next year. When is the Xbox 360 due out? Next year? So it will have 3 cores versus the next gen PC's 4 cores.

Aaron_GT
05-13-2005, 03:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">.IBM is potentially in a posturing position to become a major chip player in the PC or similarly oriented computing area. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is already - Apple is the 5th largest personal computer manufacturer in the USA and those Macs run on IBM chips. The Sony/IBM cell thing is very interesting, though. Also we are seeing things like FPGA coprocessors appearing. Whilst tricky to program they offer enhanced performance for this like a physics engine.

Frenchminem
05-13-2005, 03:51 AM
what a funny post...
an Xbox or a PS3 faster than a PC !!!!
It just look impossible...
those tools are for kids, and people who don't wanna spend time to configure things, or modify things...
the problem is that a Xbox or a PS3, have a life of 4-5 year, not more... but in 4-5 years... many things will change.. and even when they come out, it yet really old, regarding Pc's!!!
anyway, remmeber a xbox or a PS2 is made to display on TV, so the screendisplay don't need in 99% of the case to be up to 800*600 (so 480 000 point on screen)...
while a Pc can run in 1600*1200 (1 920 000 pixels), cuz many people got 19" now, or bigger!!
anyway most or quiet all the game of xbox or ps2 are not at all the same than PC games... have you ever tried to play games of ps2 adapted for pc, and just after the same kind of game MADE for PC... you don't see nothing...
(I remember Medal Of Honor... well, how can people play such game without a mouse!? it's just stupid!!!)
I'm really curious to see such powerfull consoels...

HotelBushranger
05-13-2005, 03:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I love my XBox. No config required, great game selections. The PC is now reserved only for sims. Forza or Splinter Cell CT on XBox with an HD projector and force feedback wheel is a heavy buzz.

Great product IMO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen to that, Ghost Recon setup to a projector and big speakers is awesomeo

IL2-chuter
05-13-2005, 04:00 AM
With every new generation of consoles someone brings up the imminent doom of PC's. I personally have heard it since the introduction of the Playstation (I'm 45). We'll just see, it's hardly even worth talking about anymore (I wonder if the gaming mags are going to recycle the topic again). If I recall correctly, in the past console tech hasn't even been at the cutting edge of PC tech upon release (and let's not forget that console tech can go PC).

Carry on . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p.s. the key to the original statement is "gamming" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Badsight.
05-13-2005, 04:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frenchminem:
what a funny post...
an Xbox or a PS3 faster than a PC !!!!
It just look impossible...
those tools are for kids, and people who don't wanna spend time to configure things, or modify things...
the problem is that a Xbox or a PS3, have a life of 4-5 year, not more... but in 4-5 years... many things will change.. and even when they come out, it yet really old, regarding Pc's!!!
anyway, remmeber a xbox or a PS2 is made to display on TV, so the screendisplay don't need in 99% of the case to be up to 800*600 (so 480 000 point on screen)...
while a Pc can run in 1600*1200 (1 920 000 pixels), cuz many people got 19" now, or bigger!!
anyway most or quiet all the game of xbox or ps2 are not at all the same than PC games... have you ever tried to play games of ps2 adapted for pc, and just after the same kind of game MADE for PC... you don't see nothing...
(I remember Medal Of Honor... well, how can people play such game without a mouse!? it's just stupid!!!)
I'm really curious to see such powerfull consoels... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>please

the Xbox2 & PS3 are nothing like what they are replacing performance wise

Xbox2 will support HDTV which is 1280 x 780 (might be slightly higher)

when Xbox2 & PS3 get released , they will be more powerfull than CPUs we have now

Frenchminem
05-13-2005, 04:30 AM
well... in that case, you got to change your tv... or maybe not you, but all the other, and when you see the price of what could be an HDTV... well... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
(I still wait to see those console more powerfull than PC... they always say great great thigns, and when really testing... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif)

GoToAway
05-13-2005, 05:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
IBM is potentially in a posturing position to become a major chip player in the PC or similarly oriented computing area. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>IBM has been a major player in the chip arena for quite a few years. The PPC is nothing new.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Dual core Opterons start shipping in a couple of months. Quad cores next year. When is the Xbox 360 due out? Next year? So it will have 3 cores versus the next gen PC's 4 cores. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>A multi-cored die is not the same thing as a multi-proc system. They essentially are means to the same end (SMP,) but physically they're quite different configurations and both have their own strengths and weaknesses (chiefly latency and cost.)


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Apple is the 5th largest personal computer manufacturer in the USA and those Macs run on IBM chips. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Which really doesn't say much since, last I checked, Apple's global "personal computer" marketshare was something around 3.65%. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

It's been around ~3% for 5 years or so.

And IBM is a fairly new partner for Apple. They've just gotten on board with manufacturing the G5 (or the Power4 Celeron as some like to call it.) Motorolla previously manufactured PPCs for Apple (and came up with AltiVec.)



Anyway, I think this is much ado about nothing. It's just another console, not the second coming. And that's fine. Consoles are great for certain kinds of games. I own all current consoles and have been playing them since the Atari 2600. Sure, my PC gets much more use, but there's nothing wrong with consoles. Some people need to get rid of their biases.


On the other hand, I find it interesting that Microsoft has seemingly not released any detailed information about the procs it is using... People are so wrapped up in clockspeed that they don't seem to realize that it is a fairly meaningless figure when attempting to gauge the power of disimilar platforms (if you don't believe me, see how a 1GHz EV7 or Power4+ stacks up against an Athlon or Pentium clocked twice as fast.)

I would bet money that the PPCs in the Xbox2 have been fairly molested. I imagine they're neutered PPC 970s or something similar. Think Celerons (and I mean Willamette Celerons, not Tualatins.) They aren't going to get one let alone three high end PPCs to market for $300.

Jex_TG
05-13-2005, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:

The thing is why do you need to have machines that run that much faster than they do at the moment? Isn't it really just bigger, faster, better syndrome? The idea that a new generation of consoles is going to be better simply because its faster? Isn't that just a little ridiclous?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Higher processing power allows, amongst other things;

- More AI
- More complicated AI (i.e. they'll be a lot smarter)
- Better graphics

It does not equate to better gameplay, but I would personally like to play a flight sim that looked like real life, or high definition 3D models. That's not available at the moment.

So yes, more power will mean better games but only if devs use that extra processing power.

I'm waiting for the day that PC games come on isolinear chips with zero load times. After that I'm hoping for a holodeck http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaNorris
05-13-2005, 06:02 AM
Playstation2 (Own)
Gamecube (Played & Want)
XBOX (Too big of a Pad, won't get)

LuckyBoy1
05-13-2005, 06:10 AM
More computing power = more complicated games and not always better games.

Dexmeister
05-13-2005, 07:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frenchminem:
those tools are for kids, and people who don't wanna spend time to configure things, or modify things...

the problem is that a Xbox or a PS3, have a life of 4-5 year, not more... but in 4-5 years... many things will change.. and even when they come out, it yet really old, regarding Pc's!!!
anyway, remmeber a xbox or a PS2 is made to display on TV, so the screendisplay don't need in 99% of the case to be up to 800*600 (so 480 000 point on screen)...
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the longest time I stayed away from all consoles thinking PC gaming was better. Then I caved in and now I see how great they are.

Let's do some math:
XBox (original version) + HD pack = ~$400. Plugs into the stereo with fiber optic and composite cables, supports HD, gives me 5.1 Dolby surround, no upgrades required, lifespan 3 years.

PC (let's say AMD XP2700) + video card + game controller + high-end sound card + RAM + constant upgrades of these components + ongoing time tweaking settings to get games like FB to run consistently = $3000 +++. Lifespan ~ 2 years before major upgrade required. Not easily connected to the stereo, not much HD support (at least without tweaking). All this and if I want to play a simple game like hockey with some friends while having some beers? Forget it.

Sorry, but XBox has served well and 360 will be even better. It's not for "kids" anymore, it's for people that want hard core gaming without the headaches, and at a fraction of the cost for something that IMO looks way better than any PC game would look on my HD screen.

Aaron_GT
05-13-2005, 08:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">A multi-cored die is not the same thing as a multi-proc system. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very true. Multi core systems have some advantages over SMP systems and vice versa as you correctly note. The interchip communication tends to be better on a multicore system, but the memory bandwidth less good for sustained use. If the memory access of the programs you are running is such that there isn't too much contention for memory the memory issues are less of a problem, though.

Gibbage1
05-13-2005, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charlie901:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Actually it has 3, 3.2, core prosessors.

If this is true it's gonna put the pc way behind the eightball for gamming. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

GHz in NO WAY defines a computers speed. Fact, a 2.4GHz AMD 3500+ CPU will run just as fast or faster then a 3.5GHz Intel CPU.

Gibbage1
05-13-2005, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:

The interchip communication tends to be better on a multicore system, but the memory bandwidth less good for sustained use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It all depends on how the multi-cote CPU is set up. AMD Dual coar CPU's each have there own memory controller on chip, but the Intel dual coars must travel the same buss to access a single external memory controller. That creates a nasty bottleneck.

LuckyBoy1
05-13-2005, 10:48 AM
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You can spin the pump as fast as you please, but if the pipes going in and out of the CPU don't feed it fast enough, the effort is mostly for not. And unlike my Hyperthreaded 3.2 Prescott, there's not much chance you'll be able to overclock an Xthingy to 4.0 GHz, now is there?

crazyivan1970
05-13-2005, 10:50 AM
For me XBOX was total waste of money... bought the first batch.. 349 bucks it was i believe... now i have a really expencive DVD player in the bedroom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As far as computing power goes, console will never catch up with PC. Any way you look at it. 3.2, even 3 of them is pretty much outdated even today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As far as computing power goes, console will never catch up with PC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorta true; The PS & PS2 both on launch date smashed whatever the PC realm had to offer........... For about a week. Then, something innovative was released for PC (ie, VooDoo Graphix, Pentium III's), which made way for the pwnag3 of the console.

So, yea, Ivan - they can catch up, they can't keep up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

crazyivan1970
05-13-2005, 03:22 PM
When did PS2 come out? 2002? And how did it catch up? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 03:31 PM
It caught up because it had the ability to render true 3D (unlike it's predessor), which put it in a position to compete with PC graphix; Better sound processing, NIC card for MP games, HDD - all the things we've had that older consoles didn't.

Again, catching up - NEVER passing, and more or less, not able to keep up because of the stagnation of hardware technology.

All the graphical advances consoles have enjoyed are all because PC technology has made a way for it. So, in the end, the new X-Box will pwn PC (to your average non-pc owner, non simmer)............. For about a week. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
05-13-2005, 03:38 PM
Ohh, you mean from that perspective.

Bottom line, when XBOX came out, it was half of the PC that i owned, i guess Sony is a little bit more advanced. I am wondering how PS3 holds up against XBOX360

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">By the time the 360 is ready for market, the PC will be going dual core, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dual core Opterons start shipping in a couple of months. Quad cores next year. When is the Xbox 360 due out? Next year? So it will have 3 cores versus the next gen PC's 4 cores. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no it ships this year guy.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
More computing power = more complicated games and not always better games. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that can be said for both PC and console http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

crazyivan1970
05-13-2005, 03:41 PM
i hear 360 will be avail just before Thanksgiving

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawggy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">As far as computing power goes, console will never catch up with PC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorta true; The PS & PS2 both on launch date smashed whatever the PC realm had to offer........... For about a week. Then, something innovative was released for PC (ie, VooDoo Graphix, Pentium III's), which made way for the pwnag3 of the console.

So, yea, Ivan - they can catch up, they can't keep up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats funny seeing as FF10 still looks as good as a large % of PC games and it was a early tittle. IMO the only games on pc that realy blew away this gens consoles were Doom3 farcry and HL2. heck doom 3 looks almost as good on xbox as on my 64bitcpu and 6800gt lol.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
For me XBOX was total waste of money... bought the first batch.. 349 bucks it was i believe... now i have a really expencive DVD player in the bedroom http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As far as computing power goes, console will never catch up with PC. Any way you look at it. 3.2, even 3 of them is pretty much outdated even today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

true......but only if it had to run all the BS stuff in winxp ect that it would if it was in a PC. 3.2 in a console is smokeing fast by todays standerds.

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 03:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Bottom line, when XBOX came out, it was half of the PC that i owned, i guess Sony is a little bit more advanced. I am wondering how PS3 holds up against XBOX360 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it was, and 360 will be 75% of your box. Oh, and the PS3's specs are showing a more powerful system, if that's what you're thinkin'.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LuckyBoy1:
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You can spin the pump as fast as you please, but if the pipes going in and out of the CPU don't feed it fast enough, the effort is mostly for not. And unlike my Hyperthreaded 3.2 Prescott, there's not much chance you'll be able to overclock an Xthingy to 4.0 GHz, now is there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you wont need to. nore will you need to spend $$ on a water cooling to do it eather. fact is consoles are a much cheaper, and trouble free way to game. as long as your not a hardcore sim gamer. sim games like this one and sh3 ect are the ONLY resone i have a PC. if i could play a sim like PF on my gamecube with less graphics and not have to worry about all the hicups invoved i sure coulda saved about 1500 bucks lol.

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 03:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
IMO the only games on pc that realy blew away this gens consoles were Doom3 farcry and HL2. heck doom 3 looks almost as good on xbox as on my 64bitcpu and 6800gt lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When you name a sim or RTS OF ANY KIND that this applies to, then I'll consider a console, but without mouselook in FPS's, or joysticks for sims, it's a bit useless IMHO.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawggy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Bottom line, when XBOX came out, it was half of the PC that i owned, i guess Sony is a little bit more advanced. I am wondering how PS3 holds up against XBOX360 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes it was, and 360 will be 75% of your box. Oh, and the PS3's specs are showing a more powerful system, if that's what you're thinkin'. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and it was 1/4 the price http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
and it was 1/4 the price http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the same breath, let's not forget, it was also 1/4 the quality. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawggy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
IMO the only games on pc that realy blew away this gens consoles were Doom3 farcry and HL2. heck doom 3 looks almost as good on xbox as on my 64bitcpu and 6800gt lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When you name a sim or RTS OF ANY KIND that this applies to, then I'll consider a console, but without mouselook in FPS's, or joysticks for sims, it's a bit useless IMHO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


thats all personal tast. i grew up with a console controler and i can play FPS ect almost as well. but ill agree a mouse kbord is much more persise. took me a long time to get used to a real fliht stick lol.

crazyivan1970
05-13-2005, 03:54 PM
Actually, XBOX has adopter for mouse and keyboard. And to say more, in the future MS is planning to make XBOX servers accessable for PC users. At least that`s the plan. If that`s the case, it might bring something really fresh and new to online gaming in the big scale. That might fire off generation of new games...or sims. Who knows.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawggy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
and it was 1/4 the price http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the same breath, let's not forget, it was also 1/4 the quality. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

bull dude. like i said i played D3 on xbox "on my friends HDtv" and it looked pretty dang close to d3 on my pc at its highst settings.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Actually, XBOX has adopter for mouse and keyboard. And to say more, in the future MS is planning to make XBOX servers accessable for PC users. At least that`s the plan. If that`s the case, it might bring something really fresh and new to online gaming in the big scale. That might fire off generation of new games...or sims. Who knows. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats true. heck nintendo from what i hear has an awsome online servece set up for its REV. FREE!!!!! lol

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 03:58 PM
I understand that ford - All I'm saying is, when a console has the power to display 1600x1200x32 w/ 4xAA & 4xAF, come talk to me then, and I'll prolly be playing something twice that rez, with TrackIR, @ 100FPS, online with 5,000 different ppl. (And my box ain't EVEN close to uber)

Consoles will NEVER KEEP up........... IMHO

crazyivan1970
05-13-2005, 04:02 PM
Doubt XBOX service will be free...ever. I believe it`s 50 bucks a year now... that charge my apply to PC users as well... if the plan goes thru.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawggy:
I understand that ford - All I'm saying is, when a console has the power to display 1600x1200x32 w/ 4xAA & 4xAF, come talk to me then, and I'll prolly be playing something twice that rez, with TrackIR, @ 100FPS, online with 5,000 different ppl. (And my box ain't EVEN close to uber)

Consoles will NEVER KEEP up........... IMHO </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

and let me know when a pc capable of doing that is a"ford"ble. im sure not to long after the ps3 comes out there will be something for the pc crowd that a bit more powerfull ...if you have the cash to buy a 800 doller cpu 300 bucks worth of ram and a 600 doller gpu ect. IMHO consoles will surpass pcs when thay first come out after awhile PCs tend to catch up and past them but only for the rich that can drop 2 to 3 grand on one. for every one else thay will have to wait for those super PCs to drop in price. just like with cars. no matter what you have there is something faster if you got the mony.

xbox 360 games will ALL run in HD 700 whater ever res and up to the highst HDtc res wich is 1000 something. thats just fine for me. and the AA will be much in proved

fact is not every kid has a rich mommy to buys his PC stuff and not every grown man can afford high end PC stuff. just look at the sales figures for last year. GBA games alone out sold PC games if i rember right.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 04:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Doubt XBOX service will be free...ever. I believe it`s 50 bucks a year now... that charge my apply to PC users as well... if the plan goes thru. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yea gates is $$ hungry but the N has if im not mistaken already confirmed its online as free

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 05:04 PM
Hey ford - I feel you on the price aspect. There's this age-old phrase, "You get what you pay for", I think is how it goes. I understand gaming on a budget - I've been doing it for 20 plus years.

That's no reason to say that a cheaper console is "worse" than a PC. There's no reason to say an expensive PC is better than a console. I'd just like to see more console fans recognize the technology they have has been af"ford"ed (http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif) to them by PC hardware manufacturer's; Just look @ who is making the GPU's for the next gen consoles - ATi!!!

It's not a better or worse thing - it's, who's in the front, and who's in the back of the tech curve.

I'm a simmer - I placed my bets on PC since the Commodore-64's been around, and I haven't lost yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawggy:
Hey ford - I feel you on the price aspect. There's this age-old phrase, "You get what you pay for", I think is how it goes. I understand gaming on a budget - I've been doing it for 20 plus years.

That's no reason to say that a cheaper console is "worse" than a PC. There's no reason to say an expensive PC is better than a console. I'd just like to see more console fans recognize the technology they have has been af"ford"ed (http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif) to them by PC hardware manufacturer's; Just look @ who is making the GPU's for the next gen consoles - ATi!!!

It's not a better or worse thing - it's, who's in the front, and who's in the back of the tech curve.

I'm a simmer - I placed my bets on PC since the Commodore-64's been around, and I haven't lost yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats right. IMO consoles give MUCH better bang for the buck as well as headache free gameing. but like you say if your a sim fan PC is the ONLY way to go. the thing is sure you can build a pc for 500 bucks from scratch but its not going to play doom three and look as good as xbox. some times youll catch a deal but normaly you dont see the cheapo PCs being any wear near the consoles untill near the end of the consoles life. dont get me wrong if i had lots of cash to spend id go with PC every time. i spent about 1500 bucks for my current pc about 6 monthsa ago and i do love it "took me a year to save it as well as haveing to sell things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif" and befor that i had a dell "wich im still paying for http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif" and iv had a blast. but i just can not justfiy spending this much on another PC for a long time lol. the resone i got started in PC gameing is i got sick of seeing all these sim type of games in the mags and never geting any on my consoles. its all tit for tat IMO yen and yang. for every HL2 there is a RE4 ect. just no FB/PF http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Aaron_GT
05-13-2005, 05:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It all depends on how the multi-cote CPU is set up. AMD Dual coar CPU's each have there own memory controller on chip, but the Intel dual coars must travel the same buss to access a single external memory controller. That creates a nasty bottleneck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know - I've sat through the representations from AMD too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The AMD beats Intel even on SMP systems due to the better memory architecture.

What I meant more is that going off the die to another processor, even if on the same SMP board, generally means more overhead than communicating to another core on the same die. The clocks on the off die comms tend to be lower as the lines are longer, timing is more of an issue, clocks are lower, so longer latencies for communication. But peak bandwidth for memory can be larger. So if you have processes that don't need to communicate then single core SMP can be better than multicore. But a flight sim is going to be of the latter type.

Eraser_tr
05-13-2005, 05:57 PM
My word on the power of consoles and PCs:

consoles are for kids who can't handle real games, computers are for people who want real games.

Real Game-(n) A video game that has been designed with the utmost quality in mind from the start instead of being a cheap franchise ripoff or made for the mainstream gamer. It includes high production values, innovative and immersive design and deep gameplay. Lacks anything cartoony looking or any resemblance to anime of any type.
Ex. Half-Life 2, TES3: Morrowind, TES4:Oblivion, IL-2 FB/AEP/PF, Call of Duty, Doom 3, Rise of Nations etc.

I've never played a game on a console that was immersive or nearly as engrossing as a good PC game. PC to console ports always have to be dumbed down, and console to PC ports are always dumbed down compared to developed for PC games. A regular monitor also displays a picture much better than a typical TV, or even an HDTV.

If you upgrade smartly, you can pay $500 and get a top of the line PC. the trick is to shop around and buy parts seperately, not an entire computer from dell or gateway. Buy only what you need upgraded, no sense in paying for a monitor or keyboard again when yours works perfectly fine, focus on 4 main components for games: CPU, memory+motherboard and video card.

When the ****-box 2 comes out, I'll be cranking out 40 fps in Oblivion, while the xbox 2 is only doing 20 and looks like **** compared to my pc version.

Hawggy
05-13-2005, 06:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It all depends on how the multi-cote CPU is set up. AMD Dual coar CPU's each have there own memory controller on chip, but the Intel dual coars must travel the same buss to access a single external memory controller. That creates a nasty bottleneck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

YEP - put the mem controller on the die, and Intel sweeps AMD back under the rug where they belong. Til then, AMD's gonna beat 'em hands down, dual core, HT, or NOT.

nickdanger3
05-13-2005, 06:33 PM
I think that we PC gamers are in the position of Mac fanatics. We make up a small percentage of the overall gaming community and so we will get less development for our platform of choice.

Like Mac users, we'll say that we have "better" rigs by the fact that we can hook up killer peripherals like TrackIR. But in the long run, we'll be forced to go the console route (IMHO) since they can be tailored to running amazingly realistic games without OS overhead.

Here's a thought experiment:
Oleg announces that BoB will be available for both the PC and the next generation consoles (and following suit Natural Point announces TrackIR4 for consoles).

What do you do?

When I go to the budget committe (read:wife) it'll be a lot easier to get a $400 appropriation for the console than the major (grahics card, sound card, mobo, additional ram, chip) overhaul much less building a whole new machine.

Of course we're not there yet. But down the line when the first "Best World War II Combat Flight Sim" is available on an XBox/PS3, game over. I'll use the PC for word processing and bemoaning my hopeless FBD stats.

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 08:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Eraser_tr:
My word on the power of consoles and PCs:

consoles are for kids who can't handle real games, computers are for people who want real games.

Real Game-(n) A video game that has been designed with the utmost quality in mind from the start instead of being a cheap franchise ripoff or made for the mainstream gamer. It includes high production values, innovative and immersive design and deep gameplay. Lacks anything cartoony looking or any resemblance to anime of any type.
Ex. Half-Life 2, TES3: Morrowind, TES4:Oblivion, IL-2 FB/AEP/PF, Call of Duty, Doom 3, Rise of Nations etc.

I've never played a game on a console that was immersive or nearly as engrossing as a good PC game. PC to console ports always have to be dumbed down, and console to PC ports are always dumbed down compared to developed for PC games. A regular monitor also displays a picture much better than a typical TV, or even an HDTV.

If you upgrade smartly, you can pay $500 and get a top of the line PC. the trick is to shop around and buy parts seperately, not an entire computer from dell or gateway. Buy only what you need upgraded, no sense in paying for a monitor or keyboard again when yours works perfectly fine, focus on 4 main components for games: CPU, memory+motherboard and video card.

When the ****-box 2 comes out, I'll be cranking out 40 fps in Oblivion, while the xbox 2 is only doing 20 and looks like **** compared to my pc version. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



absulutly unbeleavble. ignorance must be bless for you.



"consoles are for kids who can't handle real games, computers are for people who want real games." ......lol GTA,RE4,halo,MGS, not for kids all great games who have sold ALOT. all with great Lv disighn and chariters,stories ect.


"Real Game-(n) A video game that has been designed with the utmost quality in mind from the start instead of being a cheap franchise ripoff or made for the mainstream gamer. It includes high production values, innovative and immersive design and deep gameplay. Lacks anything cartoony looking or any resemblance to anime of any type" ........o you mean like alot of console games are. i had more fun whith RE4 than i did with doom3. RE4 brought alot of new things to its games. doom3 just like doom1 but with better graphics.

I've never played a game on a console that was immersive or nearly as engrossing as a good PC game. .....then you been playing the wrong games.

A regular monitor also displays a picture much better than a typical TV, or even an HDTV..... yep anvantege to pc for sure...as long as you have a nice pricy gpu,cpu,ram to run new games at that res ect. also next gen consoles will be able to hook up to PC monitors.



"If you upgrade smartly, you can pay $500 and get a top of the line PC." .....bull, a top in GPU alon cost 400 to 500 bucks.



'the trick is to shop around and buy parts seperately, not an entire computer from dell or gateway" .... funny thats what most gamers do. but thay still pay more for there gpu's in most cases than console gamers pay for there whole system.


"When the ****-box 2 comes out, I'll be cranking out 40 fps in Oblivion, while the xbox 2 is only doing 20 and looks like **** compared to my pc version.[/QUOTE]" and you know this how? he!! the unreal 3 engien will be used on the new consoles. heck doom3 plays very smooth on the xbox and looks almost as good as it dose on pc. and thats on what 3/4 year old specs.

NorrisMcWhirter
05-13-2005, 08:27 PM
People can be snobby about consoles all they like but you have to remember that your average console player hasn't had to shell out nearly a grand on a decent set up in order to have some fun.

Yes, the games are often simpler but the scope of the input devices is often the restrictive factor, not the IQ of the player(s).

When you buy a game for a console, you expect it to work rather than having to spend days messing around on forums hoping that someone will reply to a simple request.

Consoles and PCs also cater for different market segments and they are both sucessful in their own way.

Before you **** off consoles next time, consider if Oleg would have been given any money to develop PF etc if UBI wasn't making sufficient money out of other titles to warrant it's development as, according to the mods, PF was lucky to pay it's way.

Norris

PS: Ivan: there are supposedly two flavours of Xbox live. There is a free element which allows you to play across the web with a friend (as though you had a direct cable connection) and, secondly, the paid version where you can join clans etc.

Bearing in mind that there is talk of 'pay as you play' online gaming being banded about don't be at all surprised if you find that you are shelling out to UBI to play BoB online when it eventually turns up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 08:28 PM
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/611/611721p1.html

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 08:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
People can be snobby about consoles all they like but you have to remember that your average console player hasn't had to shell out nearly a grand on a decent set up in order to have some fun.

Yes, the games are often simpler but the scope of the input devices is often the restrictive factor, not the IQ of the player(s).

When you buy a game for a console, you expect it to work rather than having to spend days messing around on forums hoping that someone will reply to a simple request.

Consoles and PCs also cater for different market segments and they are both sucessful in their own way.

Before you **** off consoles next time, consider if Oleg would have been given any money to develop PF etc if UBI wasn't making sufficient money out of other titles to warrant it's development as, according to the mods, PF was lucky to pay it's way.

Norris

PS: Ivan: there are supposedly two flavours of Xbox live. There is a free element which allows you to play across the web with a friend (as though you had a direct cable connection) and, secondly, the paid version where you can join clans etc.

Bearing in mind that there is talk of 'pay as you play' online gaming being banded about don't be at all surprised if you find that you are shelling out to UBI to play BoB online when it eventually turns up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats what im sayn Broa

Badsight.
05-13-2005, 08:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Bottom line, when XBOX came out, it was half of the PC that i owned, i guess Sony is a little bit more advanced. I am wondering how PS3 holds up against XBOX360 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>the PS2 is not up to the Xbox capabilitys

when the Xbox was released , it had the most advanced GPU chipset availble for anything

GF4 MX440

wasnt untill a month later that Nvidea made that chipset available for PCs

Badsight.
05-13-2005, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
no it ships this year guy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>maybe , & even then it will probably be just before christmas

maybe

Badsight.
05-13-2005, 08:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawggy:
When you name a sim or RTS OF ANY KIND that this applies to, then I'll consider a console, but without mouselook in FPS's, or joysticks for sims, it's a bit useless IMHO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>both Xbox & PS2 can run Keyboards & Mouse control , for the Xbox it isnt officially supported & is a compromise

i only hope MS comes to its senses & makes KB & Mouse support officiall , FPS especially so need mouse view . the reason for feeping KB & Mouse support off the Xbox was plain stupid

fordfan25
05-13-2005, 09:05 PM
agreed with all of the above badS.

Aaron_GT
05-14-2005, 02:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">the PS2 is not up to the Xbox capabilitys </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The raw processing power available in the PS2 for CPU-based tasks is actually pretty impressive and, in some tests, can easily outstrip the Xbox. The problem is that it is a vector architecture and not the easiest thing in the world to program so and not everything fits easily into a vector architecture.

mdewals
05-14-2005, 04:10 AM
console's last about 4 years before being replaced with something new. in those 4 years all games must be designed to the same hardware spec's.

in the meantime, pc's evolve and therefor they can design games that require a bit more.

lots of time you can simply add a few extra ram or a newer vid-card. which doesnt have to cost you a fortune.

and yes, pc's are more expensive than console's but you can do so much more with your pc.

can you make personal websites with a console?
can you type out homework on your console?
can you surf the web like on your pc?
can you edit your vacation video and then burn it on dvd for your friends on a console?
can you chat with friends?
can you download mods for games like day of defeat? or new campaigns for IL-2?

console's are great for people that only want to play games and dont want to hassle with installing it and dont care for new skins, mods etc.
but if you look for a little bit more, pc's win hands down.

Aaron_GT
05-14-2005, 06:11 AM
You can get Linux for a PS2 or Xbox, so there is a lot you can do with them, in theory.

Dexmeister
05-14-2005, 12:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mdewals:
can you make personal websites with a console?
can you type out homework on your console?
can you surf the web like on your pc?
can you edit your vacation video and then burn it on dvd for your friends on a console?
can you chat with friends?
can you download mods for games like day of defeat? or new campaigns for IL-2?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are all valid points, but you're comparing a PC to a console box. A VCR can't do most of those things either.

Can you play games for four years without needing to install more RAM, replace the MOBO, update video drivers, defrag your harddrive, remove spyware, and tweak the sound?

Can you and four buddies play head-to-head deathmatches on one screen?

Can you play games sitting on the couch?

Obi_Kwiet
05-14-2005, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
[QUOTE]
when the Xbox was released , it had the most advanced GPU chipset availble for anything

GF4 MX440

wasnt untill a month later that Nvidea made that chipset available for PCs </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, come on. The MX 440 has always been cr*p. It's just a modified Geforce 2. The Geforce 3 series blows it away. Besides, I thought the X-box used a Geforce 3 Ti 200.

Badsight.
05-14-2005, 01:54 PM
obikwiet you dont get the point . the point was that the Xbox released with something no other PC had & it was a month b4 the PCs were given it , & yes ive been told before that the GF3 chipsets actually were more advanced , Nvidea developed the GF4 after them & its first useage was for the Xbox

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh, come on. The MX 440 has always been cr*p. It's just a modified Geforce 2. The Geforce 3 series blows it away. Besides, I thought the X-box used a Geforce 3 Ti 200. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


this is the next gen , more powerfull than any forum members current PC

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1141/1115960164.jpg

mdewals
05-14-2005, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dexmeister:


These are all valid points, but you're comparing a PC to a console box. A VCR can't do most of those things either. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed, but you can play games on both pc and console, which what we're basicly discussing here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dexmeister:
Can you play games for four years without needing to install more RAM, replace the MOBO, update video drivers, defrag your harddrive, remove spyware, and tweak the sound? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
fair point.....I'll give you that

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dexmeister:
Can you and four buddies play head-to-head deathmatches on one screen? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
luckily NOT!!
not everybody owns a biga** tv which is big enough to get 2-4 decent sized screens.
But the games I play allow decent online play with even a 56k modem and much more than 4 players in 1 match.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dexmeister:
Can you play games sitting on the couch? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

again, luckily not....I prefer decent seating position.


then again it all comes down to my last phrase:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">console's are great for people that only want to play games and dont want to hassle with installing it and dont care for new skins, mods etc.
but if you look for a little bit more, pc's win hands down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fordfan25
05-14-2005, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
obikwiet you dont get the point . the point was that the Xbox released with something no other PC had & it was a month b4 the PCs were given it , & yes ive been told before that the GF3 chipsets actually were more advanced , Nvidea developed the GF4 after them & its first useage was for the Xbox

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh, come on. The MX 440 has always been cr*p. It's just a modified Geforce 2. The Geforce 3 series blows it away. Besides, I thought the X-box used a Geforce 3 Ti 200. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


this is the next gen , more powerfull than any forum members current PC

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1141/1115960164.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


you know all though i have played xbox i dont own one. iv pretty much always been a nintendo/sega man "16bit4evea" but that is a sexy S.O.B man id take that thing out to a movie then dinner at a nice restraunt "McD's lol" and then if my luck held out 9 months later wed have some little xbox360's runnin around asking there mommy who there daddy is. LMAO

Aaron_GT
05-14-2005, 05:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">this is the next gen , more powerfull than any forum members current PC </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But it's also not available until Christmas 2005 at the earliest. You will probably be able to buy a dual core dual CPU PC (4 cores total) by that point. Mind you, it would cost you a lot to do so.

lbhskier37
05-14-2005, 05:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
obikwiet you dont get the point . the point was that the Xbox released with something no other PC had & it was a month b4 the PCs were given it , & yes ive been told before that the GF3 chipsets actually were more advanced , Nvidea developed the GF4 after them & its first useage was for the Xbox

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Oh, come on. The MX 440 has always been cr*p. It's just a modified Geforce 2. The Geforce 3 series blows it away. Besides, I thought the X-box used a Geforce 3 Ti 200. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


this is the next gen , more powerfull than any forum members current PC

http://media.teamxbox.com/games/ss/1141/1115960164.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry Badsight, you got it all wrong. The Xbox basically came out with the Nforce chipset before it was out for PC. But the big difference between the Xbox's chipset and the Nforce chipset for PC is that the PC Nforce chipset came with crappy GF4 MX200 video integrated. The Xbox came with something about equivalent to a GF3 Ti200. The Xbox's video blew the PC Nforce out of the water in terms of video performance, but the standard GF3 was out long before the Xbox (I know, I had one before the Xbox was out) and the standard GF3 was much faster than the Xbox's. As for the Xbox 360, from what I gather, it is going to have a GPU "based" on ATI's next generation chip. That doesn't mean it is as fast as it. Because of the slower clockspeed and memory it is supposed to be about as powerful as a X800XT. Not too shabby, but by November that is going going to be about mainstream and the next gen ATI and Nvidia stuff will blow it out of the water. And also on the PPC, it is very similar to the Cell processor, which is very powerful, although hard to program for. In all, this thing should have the power of a mainstream gaming PC when it comes out. Not bad for $400, but not touching the high end gaming machines.

Badsight.
05-14-2005, 06:05 PM
i thought it was common knowledge that the onboard graphics chipset for the Xbox was the GF4 MX440

GF4 Mx440 graphic cards appeared about a month after the US release of the Xbox

lbhskier37
05-14-2005, 06:15 PM
No, GF4 MX is a direct X 7.0 part. All a GF4 MX is, is a relabeled GF2 GT. Xbox is Direct X 8, so it can't be a GF2 MX.

lbhskier37
05-14-2005, 06:24 PM
http://www.tomshardware.com/consumer/20020204/xbox-04.html

walsh2509
05-14-2005, 07:29 PM
How far off (cpu power/graphics) are virtual games with headset that run super smooth!

I know there are 3d glasses out there, but I'm talking about the old dream of headgear on IN there games where you'd have natural field of view as in real life..

10 / 20 yrs? Less?

Agamemnon22
05-14-2005, 07:32 PM
In response to original topic:

I don't care how many GHz it runs or how many generations of PC's it trumps, give me a bleedin' mouse to aim with!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Hairball_1
05-14-2005, 08:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Can you and four buddies play head-to-head deathmatches on one screen? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Who would want to do that?

It doesn't matter how powerful the new XBox is going to be. By the time it is released, PCs will easily outstrip it. And there is absolutely no replacement for a mouse and keyboard for FPS games.

Hawggy
05-15-2005, 09:48 AM
H2H DM on one screen??!!??! That went out of style when Goldeneye for N64 came out!! What we do these days is play online against at least 3 times that many ppl. 4-player DM? C'mon m8!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

mdewals
05-15-2005, 10:18 AM
hehe yeah....saw this gaming-show on tv yesterday and they were raving about that forza motorsport....saying that there are leagues being formed and you can race with up to 8 online!!


well i come from the Papyrus NASCAR games and I've been racing online for nearly 4 years in a few leagues and Papyrus NASCAR racing 4, 2002 and 2003 can host up to 43 players (depending on server)

Wemic
05-15-2005, 12:20 PM
Don't be seduced by the dark side...

VFA-195 Snacky
05-16-2005, 03:12 PM
The only thing I use my PC for anymore is flight sims and some massive multiplayer shooters like the upcomming Battlefield2. Otherwise it's so much easier to play on my Xbox because I dont have to upgrade anything or continue to dump money into it just to play a game. When BOB comes out I will probably have to spend another $500 on upgrades just to play one game.

Dexmeister
05-16-2005, 03:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFA-195 Snacky:
...it's so much easier to play on my Xbox because I dont have to upgrade anything or continue to dump money into it just to play a game. When BOB comes out I will probably have to spend another $500 on upgrades just to play one game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the biggie for me too. I use my good PC for both work and simming, and after spending a day building software for clients, the last thing I want to do is kick back, start installing new drivers, tweaking AA settings, etc etc. For sims, XBox isn't the way to go, but for most other stuff it's perfect. Oh, and Forza and awesome! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

KGr.HH-Sunburst
05-16-2005, 08:41 PM
My biggest gripe with Console junk is that all the games look very cartoonish,unrealistc, short of options no room to mod, edit or what-so-ever
there for alone the PC will own every single console, and thats just the gaming part

more reasons to stay away from consoles and why they will never ever surpass the PC
Console=sucky MP, no big online battles
console=changing disks all the time
Console=No comfy chair+desk with a nice sharp screen and Hotas,keybord/mouse setup to play Sims or tactical shooters
Console=Cheap "hooraah" ,but the games are not oh and wait HDTV LMAO yes very cheap http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Console= simple FPS games...well and there is arcade and some more..

the good part is that with PC's i can upgrade whenever i want and what i want and dont have to wait 4 years to get some nicer graphics :P

Now dont get me wrong, consoles can be fun to get some no brainer quick action...sry not for me, i got enough time to play serious games and sims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Butonga
05-16-2005, 09:07 PM
If they made a real combat flight sim for Xbox 360 or the PS3, came out with a hotas comparable to CH or couger's for those consoles, had track IR on it, provided servers for multi-player, had hook-ups for a keyboard and mouse....I would get that console and a huge screen TV.

I would get a lazyboy chair and mod my hotos to fit to the chair. I would mount my huge screen tv in front, wear my little track IR hat and headphones. I would get a tent just big enough to fit around the whole thing, so when my girlfriend starts laughing or yelling at me, I could just zip up the tent.

Other then flight sims, I really don't play computer games. I do buy some games, but after about two hours of play, I stop. If a console could play flight sims I like, then a computer would be just a word processor to me and a place to surf the net. I could save a ton of money not upgrading to the next CPU, video card, ram and so on.

fordfan25
05-16-2005, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
My biggest gripe with Console junk is that all the games look very cartoonish,unrealistc, short of options no room to mod, edit or what-so-ever
there for alone the PC will own every single console, and thats just the gaming part

more reasons to stay away from consoles and why they will never ever surpass the PC
Console=sucky MP, no big online battles
console=changing disks all the time
Console=No comfy chair+desk with a nice sharp screen and Hotas,keybord/mouse setup to play Sims or tactical shooters
Console=Cheap "hooraah" ,but the games are not oh and wait HDTV LMAO yes very cheap http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Console= simple FPS games...well and there is arcade and some more..

the good part is that with PC's i can upgrade whenever i want and what i want and dont have to wait 4 years to get some nicer graphics :P

Now dont get me wrong, consoles can be fun to get some no brainer quick action...sry not for me, i got enough time to play serious games and sims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



what was the last console you played? NES http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Badsight.
05-16-2005, 10:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KGr.HH-Sunburst:
Now dont get me wrong, consoles can be fun to get some no brainer quick action...sry not for me, i got enough time to play serious games and sims http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>dont go near Theif , or Morrowind at all then

i dont want your misconceptions to be burst

& especially stay away from Myst

fordfan25
05-16-2005, 11:31 PM
just watched the sony press confrence and unvailing of PS3. any one intersted should go to gamespot.com and check it out. it is an amazing system. WAY more powerfull than 360. the first 15 min is a bit slow but it starts to pick up once thay start showing the demos and games. that stuff makes Hl2 and doom3 look like pac-man after he spent a night doing crack in a back ally and then geting hit by a truck.

Frenchminem
05-17-2005, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by fordfan25:
"fact is not every kid has a rich mommy to buys his PC stuff and not every grown man can afford high end PC stuff. just look at the sales figures for last year. GBA games alone out sold PC games if i rember right."

héhé http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif my dear mother bought me my 1200" computer, prsent for my 20 years old, I'll use it more than a jewel... (and since September, I've been working for them freely more than 40 hours/week!!!)
anbd you think i bought that PC for running games??? sure... I took it powerfull, for such game as PF, HL2, or DOOM3... but i'll too use it for video, photo, and all the things you can do with a computer...)
as another guy said, you get what you work for... (or the same idea...)
people sayin' you got to upgrade your pc... twice a year... to play game... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
a game you bought in the same time than upgrade willl run all the time... and u have to upgrade only if you wanna buy a brand new game, 2 years after... ( and anyway you'e not "obliged", cuz PC offer the abilities to underrun the games... less resolution, less graphics effects... and you can still play, in even better quality then console...)
(console is just good for having fun with some friends, sometimes, with racing cars, or soccer games... (and fighting...)
(but even those games are ... always the same... and are borring after only 2 hours... unless for street fighter fans, trying to mlearn one movement, for 3 hours, and learning the 20 touche combination of the combo , to be able to kill the friends he'll get home before they could even understood how the game run... )
(it's a chimp thing... learn to always do an action.. and repeat... PC games are much more oriented on mind... (strategy games... look, think, take decisions... make action...) simulation, FPS...
(and, even if you wanna make upgrades, as another guy said, you can choose precisly what to upgrade...(don't need a new soundcard each time... i'll keep my brand new audigy 2ZS, and logitech Z-5500 speaker, till they break... (they won't do much more powerfull, or immersive...)
and the middle game CPU/GPU, are really less epensive than the top one's, and allow to run all the newer games properly... (buying the fastest CPU/GPU is good, when u plan to keep it for 3, or 4 years... or If you sell it after 1 year... to re-buy the best...
one said it was possible to split screen with console (it's possible too, on some PC games... (but anyway, developpers don't give importance to this, cuz they no people with PC make lan, or play online.. it's much more serious... (for those who never tried... play on such games as goldeneye on N64 was fun.. but, 4 on one normal 70 cm tv... it's quite too much, and you always look the screen of the others... get lost too... and finally, you were only 4 on a full game level... counterstrike can be played to. much much more!!!)(and with a 4 years old computer ,and a 56k modem, you're still able to play in It, WOW, I can't believe It!!!)
one of the guy sait too that console might kill the PC... (cuz they're getting the same componants, and are easy to use...) I don't believe in It... cuz... PC is a TOOL... FIRST... that can allow people to work as they want... and If they got the programming skill, or graphic talent, to modify games, or even creat their owns... it might be the last thing on earth where you can be free, and Internet is the best example for this!!!!
sure... consortium industries, and politics would prefer to cet control about what each peopol do... (console are really good, in the way they always do new game format (even If PS2 was compatible PS, but, it was done to keep the leadership, regarding to Microsoft, they wouldn't do It for the gamers...)
(you can say the same about PC... microsoft, and blablabla... but, at least, you can still pirate your XP if you feel like a rebel... pirate your games too (less nice, If you really play It and like it)... feel a little free... (while console jsut don't let you the choice...)(games are quiet expensiver than PC games... while you can't really try them...)
i think much more PC will eat console.. and TV too... (PC is yet eating console, by inside http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif)and it's easier to register TV on computer now, than trying to understand how run your Japanese VHS, or newly DvD burner.
(anyway, I don't watch TV no more it's getting too stupid with that bunches of real tv invading all the channels.. and at all time of the day)
so... i repeat... PC is for people who kno what they want... console is for child... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif(that's while it's cheaper (for parents to buy them)(and that all the marketing is made around pokemon, and soccer or Britney Spear's "dance with me" CD's... (and you can sing too!!!)(If you buy the extra PS2 microphone tool kit!! or, play fight game with the webcam shooting your movement... to give finally a stupid game... where the most stupid thing is YOU!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif)

KGr.HH-Sunburst
05-17-2005, 04:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fordfan25:
what was the last console you played? NES http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I own a PS2, which is now a very expensivo DVD player

KGr.HH-Sunburst
05-17-2005, 04:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
dont go near Theif , or Morrowind at all then
i dont want your misconceptions to be burst
& especially stay away from Myst </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ofcourse i wont, i can play them on PC

Agamemnon22
05-17-2005, 08:04 AM
So it's HOTAS you want....

I got this for Xbox:

http://www.capcom.com/newsletter/sb.jpg

Granted the game sucks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. But it's a proof of concept.

OldMan____
05-17-2005, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> console is for child... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif(that's while it's cheaper (for parents to buy them)(and that all the marketing is made around pokemon, and soccer or Britney Spear's "dance with me" CD's... (and you can sing too!!!)(If you buy the extra PS2 microphone tool kit!! or, play fight game with the webcam shooting your movement... to give finally a stupid game... where the most stupid thing is YOU!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow! That your last sentences are the best representation of game industry I ever saw in my life !! I will make a poster with your word!! (if you allow of course:P) and post at our development office!!

SeaFireLIV
05-17-2005, 05:25 PM
A m8 of mine has the Xbox and I think it`s the best of the consoles, but even it is a let down. The only game I saw worth it`s salt was Morrowind. Jade Empire was a classic cash-cow, lasted about 15hours of soulless graphics with hardly any RPGing - a shame on bioware compared to their previous releases and nothing compared to the Balder`s gate stuff. My m8 wishes he hadn`t got it now.

If this is the way XBOX consoles are going it won`t matter if it has a 2000000mhz processer it`ll still be **** gameplay-wise. All we`ll see are photoreal graphics but it`ll last 2 hours with no gameplay and cost 200 per game!

Badsight.
05-17-2005, 10:56 PM
i know exactly what your saying SeaFireLIV , games are getting shorter & shorter on gameplay while getting bigger on eyecandy

even HL2 was way shorter than i was expecting , & that Fable , man that game had a dev time of FOUR years but look at it , over within a week

Morrowind-III took me 3 1/2 months to complete (just MW3 , no expansions) . now THATS what you call a RPG

(& value for money) , thing is tho , games are such money spinners that the push is not to make a great game but merely to get them out on the shelves

**cough**Kotor-2**cough**

Frenchminem
05-18-2005, 04:38 AM
well... the time play/money avergae is really good on IL2 series... i play rarely, and I only got time to do 1 IL2 campaign (on IL2...), (my PC was too slow to really play, tehn I changed in November, and bought FB/AEP, and i got no real time to play(spent October in Mexico) , that PF was yet in Store, so I bought it, and I'm currently beginning my 3rd campaign, after 0, (full..) USAAF (with P40... till P51 and P47, on kyushu island), and now RZNAF seasifre, over okinawa (o iwo jima..??)
I'm just beginning with this last one to get full full realism.. (i only kept external view, cuz I love to see my plane... all the other is "on"...)
so now, i have many and many campaigns to do, on the 3 games... so i'll be busy till BoB come out... (in 2 years!??)
(OLDMAN___ you did appreciate my last sentence, or not (kindof funny conclusion...) I know I'm not really objective... sorry for console's addicted... everybody's different... (yeah... there' s even people who love to look at real TV... and It looks so stupid to me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif)

Aeronautico
05-18-2005, 10:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Butonga:
If they made a real combat flight sim for Xbox 360 or the PS3, came out with a hotas comparable to CH or couger's for those consoles, had track IR on it, provided servers for multi-player, had hook-ups for a keyboard and mouse....I would get that console and a huge screen TV.

(...) I would get a tent just big enough to fit around the whole thing, so when my girlfriend starts laughing or yelling at me, I could just zip up the tent.

(...) If a console could play flight sims I like, then a computer would be just a word processor to me and a place to surf the net. I could save a ton of money not upgrading to the next CPU, video card, ram and so on. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here, except that I would go out of the tent and spank my girlfriend instead.
Then, we'd both feel better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

SUPERAEREO
05-18-2005, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aeronautico:

Same here, except that I would go out of the tent and spank my girlfriend instead.
Then, we'd both feel better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hey, I thought I was the only one here into THAT... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

S!

TacticalYak3
05-18-2005, 06:46 PM
Ok the usual comments I guess. Consoles are kids' toys to consoles won't wipe out PC gaming.

I mostly game on the PC due to my love for sims. However, I also own an XBox and intend to pick up Xbox 360 (or Playstation 3 if it's better).

The reality is that the console market is huge and has significantly impacted PC gaming. Why debate if the PC is doomed as it seems unlikely anytime soon.

The hardware mentioned in the upcoming console releases reflects the demand for high-quality graphics. Sadly most games are only getting prettier and not necessarily better. I believe they will certainly compete in their preferred fields - fps, maze/puzzle genre, sports gaming, and so forth.

Furthmore, with the USB ports keyboards and mice will be readily available. What is still lacking is the customization that most sims require. While Xbox live may provide updates/mods, it seems unlikely the sim market will move to the console.

In the end, I expect to continue enjoying Xbox 360 as the family's DVD player and for sports gaming, while watching the kids enjoy their platform gaming. With the 360, music, videos and even our photos will be easily enjoyed via the Box.

TactS!

Dexmeister
05-18-2005, 07:54 PM
Wow, a UBI flight sim for the XBox that I'd consider buying:

http://www.blazing-angels.com/us/

OldMan____
05-19-2005, 06:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Frenchminem:
well... the time play/money avergae is really good on IL2 series... i play rarely, and I only got time to do 1 IL2 campaign (on IL2...), (my PC was too slow to really play, tehn I changed in November, and bought FB/AEP, and i got no real time to play(spent October in Mexico) , that PF was yet in Store, so I bought it, and I'm currently beginning my 3rd campaign, after 0, (full..) USAAF (with P40... till P51 and P47, on kyushu island), and now RZNAF seasifre, over okinawa (o iwo jima..??)
I'm just beginning with this last one to get full full realism.. (i only kept external view, cuz I love to see my plane... all the other is "on"...)
so now, i have many and many campaigns to do, on the 3 games... so i'll be busy till BoB come out... (in 2 years!??)
(OLDMAN___ you did appreciate my last sentence, or not (kindof funny conclusion...) I know I'm not really objective... sorry for console's addicted... everybody's different... (yeah... there' s even people who love to look at real TV... and It looks so stupid to me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am speaking seriously, it is a great definition of how console industry treat game development in most cases. I really want to make abanner with this sentence (maybe adjusting it alittle bit)

Frenchminem
05-19-2005, 09:10 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif