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leitmotiv
12-30-2006, 05:03 AM
As far as I am concerned, the Shiden-Kai is the prize in this package. Fully resembles the real thing---a Fokker triplane with 2000 horsepower. Must watch your ammunition, though. I cannot believe how it turns---it is like a Chaika. Add to everything else, water-injection so it can chase Corsairs. Japanese technology at its best. Why were some players wanting to disengage the auto-flaps?!

RCAF_Irish_403
12-30-2006, 05:12 AM
the George is awesome. hope they don't disable the auto-flaps.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tigertalon
12-30-2006, 05:43 AM
I don't know, but I'll take jack over george any day. For dogfighting there are only two things I find better in a george: overheating (jack now overheats like mad), and visibility from cockpit. Everything else is in favour of jack: Speed, climb (by far), dive, they are on a par in regards of maneouverability and guns... Out of the 'holy trinity' Jack/Frank/George, I'm taking Jack for any kind of AA mission. Frank and george can carry some serious bombs though...

Yeah, I was afraid combat flaps will ruin my flying, luckily I was wrong. I'm using manual combat flaps all the time when dogfighting, completely unconsious, by a hatswitch left/right. So for example I was afraid if combat ones deploy automatically and in the same moment I aditionaly deploy take of

HotelBushranger
12-30-2006, 05:50 AM
Why were some players wanting to disengage the auto-flaps?!

I'd say it was Allied-only pilots afraid of having a serious match on their hands.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tigertalon
12-30-2006, 05:55 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why were some players wanting to disengage the auto-flaps?!

I'd say it was Allied-only pilots afraid of having a serious match on their hands. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The word was not about disabling this feature globaly in the game, but just being able to disable (toggle) it during the flight, so one can, if wanted, operate them manually, or switch back to auto operation.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

<span class="ev_code_BLACK"><pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">???An evil exists that threatens every man, woman and child in this great nation.

leitmotiv
12-30-2006, 06:28 AM
Shiden-Kai is the most elegant dogfighter in the game plus it has muscle for chases. I fully understand why the Japanese revere it so.

R_Target
12-30-2006, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
As far as I am concerned, the Shiden-Kai is the prize in this package.

Definitely. Although J2M is probably better for altitude work.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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carguy_
12-30-2006, 07:55 AM
I`d like to have them flaps disabled.Japanese fighters aren` fast but whu would anyone try to slow them down even more?

Combat flaps aren`t a good thing when you need the speed.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-30-2006, 08:05 AM
Combat flaps engage only when you input some G on the plane. It's you who decides you don't want speed, but turning. Better lose energy in a controlled way than having a vicious snap roll.

carguy_
12-30-2006, 08:08 AM
Yeah SOME G is right,that thing really spoils energy fighting.

All Japanese fighters in IL2 are highly maneuverable at low speeds.Them flaps enable too soon.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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KIMURA
12-30-2006, 08:20 AM
Well, Leitmotiv. With 4.071 the ammo loadout ist nearly fixed on the N1K2-J Ko. With the latest patch your guns spitting 200 rounds - each. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The thing with the auto-flaps is that while your are aiming at a target aiming becomes difficult when the flaps engage in that phase. The nose will lift slightly and your chosen deflection is gone - and vice versa. I guess that's why some pilots want that auto flaps as a option.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
12-30-2006, 08:48 AM
Well, the right thing would be using some key to enable or disble them, just like true N1K allowed.

But having no choice, I go for the realistic and detailed one, even if it represents a problem occasionally. It's N1K, that's how it works, we have to learn to make the best of it.

LEBillfish
12-30-2006, 09:04 AM
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DuxCorvan
12-30-2006, 09:12 AM
Interesting site, Fishie.

Unfortunately my Japanese consists only in "Konichiwa", "Sayonara", "Hai", "Kamikaze", "Banzai", "Sake", "Wakarimasi", "Shogun", "Dainmyo", "Ronin", "Seppuku" and faking the lyrics of "Doraemon". My kanji knowledge is null. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

leitmotiv
12-30-2006, 09:58 AM
Personally, I have had no trouble shooting with the S-K. It is the most user-friendly gunnery platform I could imagine. Neither have I had any trouble going like a bat out of perdition in it. I have found it positively benevolent in high or low speed maneuvers. There isn't an airplane in IL-2 which can match it for doing so much so well. It eats Corsairs like air---don't know how it does against AAF fighters yet. It is a Hellcat's worst nightmare. It is my idea of a universal late-war piston fighter. You can do whatever you want with it---turn or operate in the vertical. It is like a chaika on steroids. I can't believe the turns I can do with this airplane---I can't seem to run out of speed or stall, and the precision! I can be yanking the stick all the way back with my wingtip just above the waves and Corsairs are skidding all over the sky---when I chopped my throttle in mid-turn, one AI Corsair plowed into the sea! Love it.

Waldo.Pepper
12-30-2006, 10:41 AM
I fear I may be in the minority, again. I think it is great of course - but I find it a little too slow.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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leitmotiv
12-30-2006, 10:53 AM
Hit "W"!

Waldo.Pepper
12-30-2006, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Hit "W"!

Been there, done that. Got the T-shirt! Funny guy.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DIRTY-MAC
12-30-2006, 11:39 AM
the J2M5 is THE king of them all,
what a great B & Z fighter and its just so harmonized in the controles,
I wasnt that impressed with the SHiden-Kai
I think its a bit tricky in turns,
but it can have something to do with my input settings<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ElAurens
12-30-2006, 11:49 AM
After flying the Nate all other planes feel like dogs in the turn.

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But honestly, the Shiden Kai is a good all rounder, but not the all conquering dogfighter I though it would be. The flaps are no problem at all for me BTW.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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J_Anonymous
12-31-2006, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I thought the translation was more along the lines of "Violet Lightning"?
I think I saw both. As far as I am concerned, whatever the difference between "violet lightening" and "purple thunder" would be lost in translation, and both become "Shiden".http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If I am forced to choose one rigolously accurate Chinese character for "Lightening", it has to be "Rai" used for J2. The Japanese word for the weather phenomenon, lightening, is "Kaminari," and it was later represented by one Chinese character "Rai" when Chinese culture arrived in Japan. "Raiden", "Shiden", and "Shinden" were all invented word, if you will, as a nickname of aircraft, and they are not everyday words. I think Raiden had historic precedent, used for a sumo wrestler in 17th or 18th century, though. If I have to translate a professional wresler's name (say, Hulk Hogan) into Japanese with two Chinese characters, it will not be an easy task, and vice versa.

ElAurens
12-31-2006, 11:27 AM
The Shiden Kai at the National Museum Of The United States Air Force is currently off public display as it is undergoing a complete restoration. It can be seen by taking the restortion shop tour on Fridays. The NMUSAF's recent acquisition of the "Memphis Belle" and it's top priority restoration status (the museum guides will tell you that the "Belle" is the single most important aircraft owned by the USAF), have pushed the completion of the Shiden Kai back indefinitely.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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AVG_WarHawk
12-31-2006, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Personally, I have had no trouble shooting with the S-K. It is the most user-friendly gunnery platform I could imagine. Neither have I had any trouble going like a bat out of perdition in it. I have found it positively benevolent in high or low speed maneuvers. There isn't an airplane in IL-2 which can match it for doing so much so well. It eats Corsairs like air---don't know how it does against AF fighters yet. It is a Hellcat's worst nightmare. It is my idea of a universal late-war piston fighter. You can do whatever you want with it---turn or operate in the vertical. It is like a chukka on steroids. I can't believe the turns I can do with this airplane---I can't seem to run out of speed or stall, and the precision! I can be yanking the stick all the way back with my wingtip just above the waves and Corsairs are skidding all over the sky---when I chopped my throttle in mid-turn, one AI Corsair plowed into the sea! Love it.

Good thing the B-29s destroyed the factories before this one could be mass produced http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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goshikisen
01-01-2007, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
The NMUSAF's recent acquisition of the "Memphis Belle" and it's top priority restoration status (the museum guides will tell you that the "Belle" is the single most important aircraft owned by the USAF), have pushed the completion of the Shiden Kai back indefinitely.

I know the people of Memphis may feel otherwise but I think the USAFM is the best place for the Belle. She'll see good care there.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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ElAurens
01-02-2007, 05:23 AM
I totally agree goshikisen. The "caretakers" in Memphis let the Belle fall into a decrepid state. She was repeatedly vandalized and sat out in the weather for years. There is no love lost between the USAFM and them. She will now be returned to her former glory and be available for a much wider audience to see.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Ob
01-02-2007, 05:52 AM
It's good allright. really few american latewar planes should be able to escape it in level flight, dives, climbs and turns.
Although turns are not as good as the spitfires
it has accelleration enough to be able beat most planes in turning.
The four cannons provides 1 shot kills and has a clear advantage against 50 cal planes.

My F19 buddies and I was shot out of the skies on zekes yesterday, like cargoplanes in our jabo- Mustangs, Thunderbolts and Hellcats, pounded by Georges and ki-84's with big cannons.

My lights went out all the time, but it spared me the landings though.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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KIMURA
01-02-2007, 07:30 AM
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That Shiden in your posted pic is a N1K1-J <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Otsu</span> Shiden. To see on the absence of the gun pod. With the Otsu the gondola armament moved into the wings, so all guns were then housed in the wings.

http://www.aviation-fr.info/guide/images/n1k/image005.jpg

Here in the foreground you can see - 343-15 - Kanno's N1K2-J of the first 100 produced Shiden-Kai. The designation is only N1K2-J Shiden-Kai.
In the backround is 343-37, a N1K2-J <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Ko</span> Shiden-Kai, the same we have in 1946. You can seperate both from each other while have an eye on the diff. tail fin. The preproduction had a 13% taller tail fin surface than the later Ko-model.

http://airwar.hihome.com/gwp/nik1/gwp-shiden-kai-343kokutai.jpg

That one is a N1K<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">4</span>-J. Its one of 2 prototype with stretched cowling, new Homare 23 engine and further 2xType3 13.2mm guns in the cowling.
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TgD Thunderbolt56
01-02-2007, 08:51 AM
The N1 is a really nice aircraft to fly. I'd put it in the same category as the La5 for the Russians. It fast, but not the fastest, it's tough but not the toughest and it hits hard, but not the hardest.

Having said that, I'll ad that as a gun-platform, I don't care for it much. Sure, I was on ZvW yesterday and got my share with it, but when I switched back to my favorite late-war Japanese ride, the Ki-61 hei, I did so much better and felt more in control.

I realize some of it is familiarity (or lack thereof), but automatic flaps is like driving an automatic transmission car...not for me in general, but a possibility now and then.

Ki-61 ftw!!!

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woofiedog
01-02-2007, 09:22 AM
KIMURA... Thank's for the information.

I definitely see the deference between 343-15 & 343-37 in the two tail structures... 517 is also buildt like 343-15.

Again Thank's

Link: http://www.afwing.com/gallery/Shiden-Kai/1.htm

http://broadcast.illuminatedtech.com/pages/aircraft_g/N1K2-JGeorge.jpg

The aircraft on display flew with the 343rd during this period, with Warrant Officer Mitsuo Hori, an ace with 11 kills

The restoration of the George, which is one of only four in existence, preserves almost all of its original components, including skin panels complete with repair patches, dents, and bullet holes.

In addition, restorers found an inscription on the metal skin of the fuselage that reads...

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Waldo.Pepper
01-02-2007, 10:47 AM
On the NASM Irving when they were restoring it they found a wartime inscription written on the plane ... "Matsumoto-san please tighten the bolt."

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