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DIRTY-MAC
01-06-2011, 07:18 AM
An old thread with history and combat reports I posted long ago. You can se where and when and aginst what they fought. enjoy

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...331087754#6331087754 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/7411001724?r=6331087754#6331087754)

And Richard dunns exellent article
on the CW-21/B

http://www.warbirdforum.com/cw21.htm

DKoor
01-06-2011, 08:42 AM
Don't know why this Curtiss wasn't developed further, if it was ANYTHING like in game (vs other contemporaries) it simply owns.

Romanator21
01-06-2011, 11:50 AM
It turns and climbs really well, and handles like a charm, but that's about all it has http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It's not very fast, the fire-power is somewhat inadequate and there is no crew or fuel tank protection. According to what Dirty Mac posted, throwing the plane around could cause excessive stress and then cracks in the skin.

All in all, the CW-21 was not bad, at least according to pilots, but it failed to prove itself to the extent that the US would produce them for its own forces.

DKoor
01-06-2011, 01:50 PM
Mate don't get me wrong, but there isn't a single US fighter made during the war which could sustain a good burst from IJA fighters unless we are talking about Oscar, but perhaps not even his "pesky" 12,7mm.
So much about survivability in WW2 aircraft under canon fire.

This aircraft clearly wasn't meant to be in ground pounder role, so flak wouldn't be an issue either.
About not being fast... well I think it is at least for a 1940 plane, in game on deck it is fast exactly like a Bf-109E4 or a Spitfire Mk.Vb 1941 which on the other hand makes it considerably faster than Zero http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
Translated to a PTO, this means that in flight chars it considerably bests F4F Wildcat, US backbone which fought Zeros. At least @ SL, I haven't checked other alts... but one could rightfully assume that it is at least competitive up there.

It seems to me that this aircraft was victim of the "unfair" WW2 US air warfare doctrine. Summary: big powerful and heavy is what matters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

About its armament being inadequate, maybe so for ETO but it kills IJA/IJN planes like there is no tommorow in game. Arguably a sharpshooter could use nose concentrated guns to a better use than wing mounted MGs (better spread = more chance to kill).
But clearly no WW2 aircraft were made for sharpshooters (except MiG-3s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

Anyhow with a bit more research/upgrades I think it's relatively weak shortcomings could also be remedied (skin fractures etc.).

Or.... maybe I'm just being too optimistic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Ba5tard5word
01-06-2011, 02:10 PM
I haven't played around with the CW much but it definitely seems like with some .50 cals, like 2 to 4, it would be a real killer. Even with just two .30 cals I seem to be able to get great hits and flamers with it despite the goofy gunsight.

Also I noticed that Hardball's Aircraft Viewer lists the 4.09 AI-only CW as having I think 2 .30 cals and 2 .50's, not sure if that is a mistake on Hardball's part.

DKoor
01-06-2011, 02:53 PM
This aircraft is actually fitted with 4x.303cal or 2x.303+2x.50cal.
And yeah, it really kills Japanese aircraft with no major probs.

JG53Frankyboy
01-06-2011, 03:24 PM
yep, but the history of WW2 Airwarfare showed that the future belonged to fast, well protected and havily armed fighters.

at least this made the live of its own pilots saver and they were able to came back to fight another day http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

R_Target
01-06-2011, 04:30 PM
CW-21 skins soon....

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1307/20321742.jpg

Ba5tard5word
01-06-2011, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by DKoor:
This aircraft is actually fitted with 4x.303cal or 2x.303+2x.50cal.
And yeah, it really kills Japanese aircraft with no major probs.

Ah, I had thought it only had two guns because when you fire the guns and when you see the tracers from your sights it looks like only two guns are firing, but I looked closer and there are indeed 4. Also I didn't see before how you can choose the 2 .50's.

DIRTY-MAC
01-11-2011, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by DKoor:
Mate don't get me wrong, but there isn't a single US fighter made during the war which could sustain a good burst from IJA fighters unless we are talking about Oscar, but perhaps not even his "pesky" 12,7mm.
So much about survivability in WW2 aircraft under canon fire.

This aircraft clearly wasn't meant to be in ground pounder role, so flak wouldn't be an issue either.
About not being fast... well I think it is at least for a 1940 plane, in game on deck it is fast exactly like a Bf-109E4 or a Spitfire Mk.Vb 1941 which on the other hand makes it considerably faster than Zero http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
Translated to a PTO, this means that in flight chars it considerably bests F4F Wildcat, US backbone which fought Zeros. At least @ SL, I haven't checked other alts... but one could rightfully assume that it is at least competitive up there.

It seems to me that this aircraft was victim of the "unfair" WW2 US air warfare doctrine. Summary: big powerful and heavy is what matters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif .

About its armament being inadequate, maybe so for ETO but it kills IJA/IJN planes like there is no tommorow in game. Arguably a sharpshooter could use nose concentrated guns to a better use than wing mounted MGs (better spread = more chance to kill).
But clearly no WW2 aircraft were made for sharpshooters (except MiG-3s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ).

Anyhow with a bit more research/upgrades I think it's relatively weak shortcomings could also be remedied (skin fractures etc.).

Or.... maybe I'm just being too optimistic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Dont forget its climbrate...

ElAurens
01-11-2011, 07:51 PM
We still need a proper map of Java.

I'm working on a scenario using the islands of the MTO map as a substitute. Not a great solution, but the best I have found so far. "The Slot" map might work, but it's just not right either.

Still need a flyable B-17E and a B-10 as well, but that will never happen in the stock game.

Once 4.10 has been integrated in to HSFX I will be able to add the B-17E and will use the early DB-3 as a substitute B-10.

Now if we only had a proper IJN cruiser...

TheGrunch
01-12-2011, 02:16 AM
We do have a map of the area around Palembang, so I wouldn't give up hope. There must be some interest in the area. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif