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cpuchess1966
10-12-2007, 04:57 PM
Maybe I haven't seent them yet but of all the videos I have seen I haven't noticed any children playing. I know it's supposed to be this dark time frame but I was thinking that children playing or running with their mothers when something bad happens would of made the crowds seem more realistic

SmokehtheFirst
10-12-2007, 05:01 PM
Back during the Crusades, everyone took steroids. Believe it or not, children ages 5+ were usually 6 feet tall and 140 pounds.

MoveMeant
10-12-2007, 05:02 PM
Yes it would be more realistic with children around.. but you gotta remember that if there were children you would at least be able to push them around. Just think how many people would complain about that!

Arkadian1987
10-12-2007, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by SmokehtheFirst:
Back during the Crusades, everyone took steroids. Believe it or not, children ages 5+ were usually 6 feet tall and 140 pounds.

lmao, nice.

Its a good question, I really dont know why they didnt put children in the game. I guess its just more work for the programmers to add more characters to the game? lol, so its just less work.

Cud say the same for GTA, just some games developers dont bother with such things http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Originally posted by MoveMeant: Yes it would be more realistic with children around.. but you gotta remember that if there were children you would at least be able to push them around. Just think how many people would complain about that!

Yer thats a better reason haha, alot people would find it really offensive if you could go around killing children! lol

saros.exe
10-12-2007, 05:46 PM
You ever wondered why there aren't children in any of the games where you can kill everyone who gets in your way, e.g. the darkness, gta, ac and so on? Because its a really touchy matter, and killing children shouldn't be even in a game. Even in most of the movies, the children are untouched. I guess parents complain a lot on that.

But Smokethefirst's answer : http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

RetiredHatch
10-12-2007, 05:52 PM
Not true not all games Fable had children and I'm more than positive you could beat on them in Bowerstone the first city

Though it's probably true that people don't want to cause controversy so they leave children out

KlNDRED
10-12-2007, 06:45 PM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
Not true not all games Fable had children and I'm more than positive you could beat on them in Bowerstone the first city

Though it's probably true that people don't want to cause controversy so they leave children out

u could beat them but not kill them

max3838
10-12-2007, 07:23 PM
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RetiredHatch
10-12-2007, 07:38 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif oook...

Yea you could beat them but isn't that basically killing them http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif I tried so hard to kill someone in bowerstone =\ I wanted to own all the houses and and NO ONE WOULD DIE but i did own all the other towns and was a wealthy wealthy person
http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

What people, I think, are worried about (the people that get all riled up over violence in games) is people mimicing the actions of the game itself so if you're beating kids in a game they're worried you're going to grow up and become some deranged psycho child abuser or something http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif which is untrue

Zain0
10-12-2007, 07:44 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Its true, when I first played bully, I felt like walking around my high school randomly punching people.

RetiredHatch
10-12-2007, 07:50 PM
Then you must be one of those crazy people http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif


Too be honest though that glomp emote makes me want to sneak up on people and jump on them

ShadowTheif2007
10-12-2007, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
Then you must be one of those crazy people http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif


Too be honest though that glomp emote makes me want to sneak up on people and jump on them

LOL

Zain0
10-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
Then you must be one of those crazy people http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Hey, I said FELT LIKE, I didn't actually do it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Bloxham
10-12-2007, 08:04 PM
I think in the end if you have to choose between people complaining that there aren't children and people complaining that there ARE (because of what you can do to them), it's safer and smarter to just have no children.

RetiredHatch
10-12-2007, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by Zain0:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RetiredHatch:
Then you must be one of those crazy people http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

Hey, I said FELT LIKE, I didn't actually do it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know I'm just messin around http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And just so we're clear I never snuck up behind people and jumped on them either http://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gifhttp://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gifhttp://media.ubi.com/us/forum_images/gf-glomp.gif

yehonatan.roth
10-13-2007, 12:21 AM
i think in the future people will be educated from kindergarden (before they even know what is a computer or even a mouse)

that things you play in a computer game is only in the game yet you must keep the balance of respect with people you interact with if you play online but take nothing too seariusley and then all games will be very very close to reality and no one will care, why? because the education will be implanted from an early age and no one will think of killing for fun because of a computer game they will do it for any other reason that is out there...


today on the outher hand people do not have faith in any countrys education system and so they fear for such influences will cause havock
witch with some that are not too down to earth will feel like that some times...
if you kill because you see it in a computer game and you have no prior thought and that is what triggerd you... you have a big problem of reality...


p.s. eather way children in the game might add so little and take so mutch (banned from my country or something like that...)

T_Spoon_UK
10-13-2007, 04:17 AM
You cannot have children in games were you can just randomly kill people in the street.

Thats why you never see them in GTA. and in Fable it would go to a cutscene everytime you hit one, meaning you could never kill them.

If a game actually had you murdering children in it. im sure it would be banned everywhere ... dont want that now, do you?

AirRon_2K7
10-13-2007, 04:23 AM
Isn't it just... the law, and why WOULD you want children in it, do you like to molest little kiddies with sharp objects? it would take away from the experience if everytime you threw a knife at a kid, it turned to a cutscene of the kid saying "Hey, don't do that"... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

the_assassin_07
10-13-2007, 04:25 AM
Back during the Crusades, everyone took steroids. Believe it or not, children ages 5+ were usually 6 feet tall and 140 pounds.
Duh! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

elvenmonkey13
10-13-2007, 03:51 PM
I heard that that was the reason there were no children in Oblivion.

spazzoo1025
10-13-2007, 03:55 PM
well, to cover for the animalistic races in oblivion, they could just say theyre born that way.

and for the more humanistics in it, they'll just say in Tamriel-world, anything is possible...! then theyll have you "taken out" by Bethesda's special "waste-management" group http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Toyotama
10-13-2007, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by SmokehtheFirst:
Back during the Crusades, everyone took steroids. Believe it or not, children ages 5+ were usually 6 feet tall and 140 pounds.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I don't know about 140 pounds http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif (pretty skinny for 6 ft) but yeah, that's why most of the people you'd see on the street during that time can't read or write and can't tell you what 2 to the tenth power is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

A.B.O.Y
10-14-2007, 10:51 AM
I think they should have children even if the children push you over every time you go near then so you cant touch them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

NotLordAtkin
10-14-2007, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by saros.exe:
You ever wondered why there aren't children in any of the games where you can kill everyone who gets in your way, e.g. the darkness, gta, ac and so on? Because its a really touchy matter, and killing children shouldn't be even in a game. Even in most of the movies, the children are untouched. I guess parents complain a lot on that.

But Smokethefirst's answer : http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
*yellow font contains spoilers*

not so sure about this one...
have you played Call of Cthulhu?
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">at the begining, a little girl lets you in and tells you, that her mother is upstairs. when you ask her, if you could talk to mommy, she says that its not possible, because mommy bites.
you go upstairs, and some creature (mommy) breaks out of her "bedroom" (cell), knocks you unconcious and then runs down and kills the girl.</span>
so no children killing in videogames?

AirRon_2K7
10-14-2007, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by Goose1994:
I think they should have children even if the children push you over every time you go near then so you cant touch them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The point of having kids is to make it realistic, no? Then how realistic is it to have kids pushing a grown assassin... ?

Greenman2000
10-14-2007, 12:31 PM
its a good and a bad idea anyway if u was a mum/dad would u let ur child go out and ply with all these crusaders around

Toyotama
10-14-2007, 02:22 PM
Hypothetically speaking, imagine you were a father/mother: Would you like having your children walking around outside when you've heard of "cruel" assassin's roaming around the Holy Land? If so, what would the children do outside? Be bumped around and abused by the older people?

I also think that maybe teenagers would be a more logical appearance, because when kids finally get to age 14 or 16 they are able to be apprenticed to someone, such as a blacksmith or a fisher.

R0B0J0E
10-14-2007, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Toyotama:
Hypothetically speaking, imagine you were a father/mother: Would you like having your children walking around outside when you've heard of "cruel" assassin's roaming around the Holy Land? If so, what would the children do outside? Be bumped around and abused by the older people?


I also think that maybe teenagers would be a more logical appearance, because when kids finally get to age 14 or 16 they are able to be apprenticed to someone, such as a blacksmith or a fisher.

Yea that's true the local areas are populated enough without children there and they probably would just be kept inside. The thing is no one knows there is a master assassin there originally so they wouldn't know to keep their kids in side, but oh well.

If there were children in the game I would honestly kill one at least one time if not just to see the reaction of other people. After all its only virtual!!

MrMoo333
10-14-2007, 06:59 PM
I hope there isn't children, and if so only in cut scenes or like apprentices in the fortress

moqqy
10-14-2007, 07:13 PM
Originally posted by R0B0J0E:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Toyotama:
Hypothetically speaking, imagine you were a father/mother: Would you like having your children walking around outside when you've heard of "cruel" assassin's roaming around the Holy Land? If so, what would the children do outside? Be bumped around and abused by the older people?


I also think that maybe teenagers would be a more logical appearance, because when kids finally get to age 14 or 16 they are able to be apprenticed to someone, such as a blacksmith or a fisher.

Yea that's true the local areas are populated enough without children there and they probably would just be kept inside. The thing is no one knows there is a master assassin there originally so they wouldn't know to keep their kids in side, but oh well.

If there were children in the game I would honestly kill one at least one time if not just to see the reaction of other people. After all its only virtual!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah mate. Whole holy land shivers in fear because of one Assassin. Don't think so. There are murderers in your country. And mine. And still people let their kids be out.

And what would the children do outside? What do children usually do outside? Well, they have fun, and play.

Toyotama
10-14-2007, 08:02 PM
Just what is your idea of fun and play moqqy?

Dude, not only are there master assassins roaming about, the Holy Land is being fought over by Europeans (did I say that? I mean corrupt Europeans) and Saracens (famous for the jihad, or just being bloodthirsty and violent). Okay fine, maybe a few kids would be left out... But dude, if they accidentally break something valuable, or steal from a merchant, or cause any havoc... I'll let your imagination do the rest...

Oh yeah, I do also know that children were used as slaves...

You might be right about letting them out... But not about what could and would happen to them if they are outside...

moqqy
10-15-2007, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by Toyotama:
Just what is your idea of fun and play moqqy?

Dude, not only are there master assassins roaming about, the Holy Land is being fought over by Europeans (did I say that? I mean corrupt Europeans) and Saracens (famous for the jihad, or just being bloodthirsty and violent). Okay fine, maybe a few kids would be left out... But dude, if they accidentally break something valuable, or steal from a merchant, or cause any havoc... I'll let your imagination do the rest...

Oh yeah, I do also know that children were used as slaves...

You might be right about letting them out... But not about what could and would happen to them if they are outside...

Hide and seek etc?

So what if assassins are roaming about, they are known for not killing normal citizens, only their targets and their bodyguards if they have to. The europeans were not corrupt, most were god fearing honest men who came to fight because they thought that's what god want's them to do.
Saracen is an incorrect term, and it seems you have been reading some european sources then if you think they are just bloodthirsty and violent.

Yeah, it might be they got punished harhsly after doing stuff like that, but that's life. That's how life was back then, and they had no choice but to accept it, it's not like they're gonna hide 'till they're 20 cos they mite break something.

Also, remember that they didn't have bombs back then. The children had much time to go inside if the city was attacked.

AirRon_2K7
10-15-2007, 06:48 AM
So if this was your game moqqy, would you have kids in it?

moqqy
10-15-2007, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by AirRon_2K7:
So if this was your game moqqy, would you have kids in it?

No.

AirRon_2K7
10-15-2007, 07:23 AM
good, then you're not evil lol.

Kids WOULD be around back then... have you tryed keeping a kid indoors people? Its hard enough before they start sulking... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

NotLordAtkin
10-15-2007, 11:55 AM
and if you are talking about that children killing... anyone heard of Bioshock?
and what are you supposed to do with little sisters in order to gain adam?

NorthernAvengeR
10-15-2007, 12:04 PM
I doubt people will put their children inside because some assassins are running around. Its the third crusade and secret brotherhoods usually don't put hits on children unless they really deserve it.

fGuppy88
10-17-2007, 10:09 PM
I don't think there were many kids. Of course some but not many.

All the cities you go to most of the people didn't originate there. Most immigrated there or what not.

There was also constant war, probably crime and a lot of poverty (guessing on that) so there wasn't much space for children.

Doesn't stop it from happening though.

War craft three i remember slathering men, women and children good guy or bad guy. In movies you see them die so why not games? It some ways it can make the bad guy look bad and good guy look more heroic.

As far as killing video game kids go, it doesn't make you sick. Takes a lot more then that, try being abused and growing up poor. Then going crazy trying to live life and thats how you end up killing kids. Zodiac killer plps. I seriously have doubts that people go crazy because they played too much bi shock or warcraft 3. Well maybe warcraft but not because of the killing kids part.


Assassins creed docent want to offend any audience. Such as religious nor does it want to offend parents because bad press means less money. Such as grand theft auto which has all ready bad press and was banned from several countries because you could have sex. If they added kids in that game all hell would break lose. I don't know if they would get sued but they may have to raise the rating up to A for adult. Which means a huge decrease of buyers.