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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 06:08 PM
Hi

G2 is best compromise. You can turn with La5FN, speed is allmost enough and you can deal with guns if you wait untill target is CLOSE. This is IF you like T&B fight :-)

G6/AS Sucks. It is fast though but you get F***d by La:s & Yak:s & some others. It is not so bad if you leave 108 home, but then you loose your biggest advantage.
With G6 you must think about energy 110% of time, with G2 you can forget the energy for 5% of time and enjoy turning.

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 06:08 PM
Hi

G2 is best compromise. You can turn with La5FN, speed is allmost enough and you can deal with guns if you wait untill target is CLOSE. This is IF you like T&B fight :-)

G6/AS Sucks. It is fast though but you get F***d by La:s & Yak:s & some others. It is not so bad if you leave 108 home, but then you loose your biggest advantage.
With G6 you must think about energy 110% of time, with G2 you can forget the energy for 5% of time and enjoy turning.

BR

RiP

XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 08:16 PM
In VEF I have found the Bf 109G2 to be the single worst plane in the sky. It isn't agile enough or armed well enough to fulfill its missions. The Fw 190A4, A5, and Bf 109G6 Late are much better aircraft. But that probebly only applies in VEF.

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The Bf 109G6 A/S is truely an uber target drone. Its fuselage is designed to completly break off with just a few hits and its engine is designed to die with a single hit from anything. The control unit (pilot) is also very easy to disable with even the smallest MG's. The speed of the Bf 109G6A/S is low but not so low that it becomes difficult to follow. Its turn and roll rates are at a comfortable level for most trainees and it allows them to gain experience in deflection shooting. The Bf 109G6 A/S is also slow to climb which allows VVS flyers to practice B&Z on it.

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 08:18 PM
Wanna try G6/AS with MK108 against G2? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 08:30 PM
Well G2 is good but in VEF I was better in F4.I flew one G6 Late`43 mission so far.It was terrible.

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 08:39 PM
The Fw 190A5 is by far the best of the 3 (G2, G6, A5) but it seems few VEF pilots know how to fly it. But looking at the statistics the Bf 109G2 is doing just as bad. It is fast enough, but lacks the punch to get the job done. At the current time I have been killed 5 times in VEF, 4 of them in G2's. Yet I have flown 3/4 of my missions in the Fw 190A's. I have only flown 1 sortie in the G6 and I nailed 2 Yak's with it. I think they were Yak 9's of some sort. The key to the G6 is simply to fly really high. You can't outrun or outturn them, but you can fly higher. I generally engage from 6900m, just below the vapor trail altitude /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

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The Bf 109G6 A/S is truely an uber target drone. Its fuselage is designed to completly break off with just a few hits and its engine is designed to die with a single hit from anything. The control unit (pilot) is also very easy to disable with even the smallest MG's. The speed of the Bf 109G6A/S is low but not so low that it becomes difficult to follow. Its turn and roll rates are at a comfortable level for most trainees and it allows them to gain experience in deflection shooting. The Bf 109G6 A/S is also slow to climb which allows VVS flyers to practice B&Z on it.

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 08:43 PM
Maj_Death wrote:
- I generally engage from 6900m, just below
- the vapor trail altitude /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .


Isn`t it 5900m ?



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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 09:31 PM
I like the F2, fast, manuverable, the armerment is something that someone with good marksmenship can shrugg off

XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 09:49 PM
On the Kursk map it is at 7000m. I don't know about other maps so it may vary. I fly at 6900m because at high altitude I can only hold + or - 100m. I don't know why, but the trim becomes too sensitive up high/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif . BTW, spotting targets from that height is really easy. The dots are far enough away that they are all light grey and stick out against the green background. You also don't have the problem of them dissappearing into the haze on the horizon. It really is nice at 6900m, but it does take a little bit of work to get and stay there.

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The Bf 109G6 A/S is truely an uber target drone. Its fuselage is designed to completly break off with just a few hits and its engine is designed to die with a single hit from anything. The control unit (pilot) is also very easy to disable with even the smallest MG's. The speed of the Bf 109G6A/S is low but not so low that it becomes difficult to follow. Its turn and roll rates are at a comfortable level for most trainees and it allows them to gain experience in deflection shooting. The Bf 109G6 A/S is also slow to climb which allows VVS flyers to practice B&Z on it.

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XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 10:55 PM
I personally like the G2 best of the 109s. It climbs well. Zoom climbs well. And is pretty fast. Though I wouldn't turn much with it. Looping is the best method for mixing it up. Lot's of speed, take your shot (or not), zoom straight up, come back over and try again. Not that I'm any great ace, but turning with it to me seems to be the last ditch thing you'd want to do.

XyZspineZyX
12-18-2002, 11:08 PM
G2 is the best VEF ride the LW has as long as you're not looking to down bombers IMHO. The A5 is superior for the intercept/ground attack role.

Insofar as compensating for the G6 late's horrible allround qualities, that doesnt really work when you're asked to intercept low flying bombers or (heaven forbid) perform ground attack in it...

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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 03:15 AM
I find the Fw 190A4 and A5 to be vastly superior dogfighters. But anyway, the G6 really isn't that bad. In DF servers it is suicide to fly, but in an objective based mission it really isn't that bad. In bomber intercept role, just get really high, make ONE high speed pass and then keep going. You will only get 1 kill, but you will survive. In ground attack, anyone who willingly flies a Bf 109 by choice deserves to die anyway.

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The Bf 109G6 A/S is truely an uber target drone. Its fuselage is designed to completly break off with just a few hits and its engine is designed to die with a single hit from anything. The control unit (pilot) is also very easy to disable with even the smallest MG's. The speed of the Bf 109G6A/S is low but not so low that it becomes difficult to follow. Its turn and roll rates are at a comfortable level for most trainees and it allows them to gain experience in deflection shooting. The Bf 109G6 A/S is also slow to climb which allows VVS flyers to practice B&Z on it.

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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 04:54 AM
I've found that turning isn't so difficult in the G2, as long as you maintain a steady corner speed and keep it trimmed up positive to that E factor- easy for me since I have both pos and neg trim mapped to opposite buttons on my Logitech WM Interceptor stick and can apply elevator trim almost as second nature. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Combat flaps also help from stalling in high G turns in the G2, which facilitates a nice, tight turning radius, but they also drastically bleed-off E, and in the G2 it still takes a few seconds to recover enough speed to match the AI opponent and get back on its a$$. In that case I usually just trim nose down and build up extra speed that way, when and if I'm not too low AGL that is. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

All this helps just flying against the AI aces though, and not in online fur-balling with any of you "real-life" Aces here. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 06:08 AM
oh-rip wrote:
- G6/AS Sucks. It is fast though but you get F***d by
- La:s & Yak:s & some others. It is not so bad if you
- leave 108 home, but then you loose your biggest
- advantage.

The Mk108 makes a negligible difference in performance, and turns the 109 into a 1 shot kill. No other plane can accelerate as fast as the 109G6AS. The plane is not the best turner but it turns good enough. in case you ever should decide to. There really is no need. 1 vs 1 the G6AS would make mincemeat out of a G2. It does everything better but turn. Acceleration/climb/speed are far more important that being able to turn. Would you rather be higher and faster or lower, slower, but ready to turn real good!

The G6AS in fact is THE best plane in the game. Starting at the same time, by the time it would cross any other plane it would be higher and faster, and thus in control. You just have to remember to go into cooling mode after 4 minutes of overheat (or else)





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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 08:11 AM
RayBanJockey wrote:

- The G6AS in fact is THE best plane in the game.
- Starting at the same time, by the time it would
- cross any other plane it would be higher and faster,
- and thus in control. You just have to remember to
- go into cooling mode after 4 minutes of overheat (or
- else)
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Agreed

In a no-overheat server, where you can leave WEP on permanently, the g6as is untouchable.

In a normal server you need to be judicious about planning your attacks so as to get out of the action occasionally for a short time to cool your engine. Naturally this means you must maintain the upper hand as if you get someone on your six the likelihood of having a chance to cool your engine are very low.

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 11:19 AM
LOL. No-overheat severs can't be used as reference for plane performance, they're much too unrealistic.
In no-overheat severs, the E-7/Z eats La-5 for lunch ! You can put GM-1 on as soon as gear is raised and maintain it all the time at any altitude, so it gives you a 1500hp engine in a light airframe with two 20mm.

G-2 is a good plane, but it's not the best 109. The G-6/AS is better if you need speed and punch, and the F-4 is better if you need to dogfight.
The best german fighter of the game is certainely the 190A-5.

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 03:03 PM
Maj_Death wrote:
- I find the Fw 190A4 and A5 to be vastly superior
- dogfighters.

Hope one day I will be confident enough to say the same /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
But combination of G2 and A4 in 1942 really rrrrocks!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 04:31 PM
I have found the G2 to be a very capable plane as long as it is used correctly. It's hit and climb capabilities are outstanding. If I get a good firing solution I can quite easily down the enemy. It will spiral climb like a bat outta hell.

In Vef I was alone against the cream of the VVS crop and outflew two of their best pilots simply by exploiting it's advantages. Instead of letting them drag the fight down one must pull the fight up high and avoid turning and maintain energy. It handles extremely better than russian aircraft at altitude and goes to 12,000m easily. It will achieve angles of attack at high alt that the russian ac cannot. The trick thou it is more difficult to get a bounce kill due to high closure rates, but most of the time I find it too much of a risk to commit, as many of their pilots want you to do that and have their bud come along and get you.

If the FW had a better cockpit than it does then I don't think it would be doing so poorly. It's very difficult to maintain section with it's horrendous forward visibility, but in a bounce it is a killer! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 04:41 PM
Cockpit visablity is a problem in the Fw. Sometimes you simply have to shoot blind. But the Fw 190 has plently of ammo for that. As for the G2, I have now decided that it is so hopelessly outclassed by the russian aircraft in VEF that I will not engage any russian fighter with it from this point on. Instead I will fly really high and try to find a truck column or a train to strafe. And for those who think the G2 does well in VEF, all but one missions I have flown in VEF have resulted in 100% of Bf 109G2's being destroyed.

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The Bf 109G6 A/S is truely an uber target drone. Its fuselage is designed to completly break off with just a few hits and its engine is designed to die with a single hit from anything. The control unit (pilot) is also very easy to disable with even the smallest MG's. The speed of the Bf 109G6A/S is low but not so low that it becomes difficult to follow. Its turn and roll rates are at a comfortable level for most trainees and it allows them to gain experience in deflection shooting. The Bf 109G6 A/S is also slow to climb which allows VVS flyers to practice B&Z on it.

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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 04:50 PM
G2 is outclassed by the Yak 9, and in FB probably by the La5 too.

You'd better take a G6'late

S~

XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 05:32 PM
The G-2, like other earlier 109's is too slow, and lacks sufficient firepower to be very effective in late model combat against other skilled pilots. Considering the manner in which this aircraft must be used against superior Soviet FM's.

The A-5, and 109 AS(MK-108) as modeled in IL-2, though lacking maneuverability and requiring more skill, are much more effective in the boom and zoom etc...., due to their superior closing speeds, much better firepower, and ability to accelerate away from danger.

Bottom line is skill, and tactics are generally what seperates one pilot from another in IL-2. Along with the knowledge to select the aircraft best suited to the mission at hand, and the settings of the particular host.

ZG77_Nagual
12-19-2002, 05:42 PM
Among the 109s, if it's agility you want then the F4 is the way to go - The E4 is a pretty amazing bird too, but short on ammo unless you are on a'41 server with the softer early planes. On unlimited servers the g6as definitely rules as a dogfighter - great speed, turn and guns - it's my choice when I get frustrated and want to just rack up kills for a couple rounds.

Plane of choice is the 190a5 for me.

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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 07:27 PM
LoL,I hope you`re kidding Maj_Death!
Lw can`t afford to lose it`s best pilots!

I myself will zoom from far above VVS and run away.That`s one way to survive a mission I guess.

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XyZspineZyX
12-19-2002, 08:06 PM
Maj_Death, in the same manner that you feel you have mastered the A5 and thus praise it as the deadliest plane in IL-2 rest assured that there are those who have mastered the G-2. It has many good points, including:

1. Exceptional speed/climb for it's era (only caught by late war yaks and la's)

2. Amazing ability to "hold" the turn when you decide to commit.

3. A good variety of armament options - going after Pe8's? Grab 20mm gunpods and prepare for Russian mince-meat; doing some ground-pounding? Grab a 500kg bomb or 4x50's and have a ball.

4. One of the best 109's overheat-wise.

Like all planes it also has it's bad points:
1. Though more durable than the F, it's still a tad too fragile for my taste.

2. The exceptional visibility of the E and F series is gone.

3. The torque from the engine makes aiming a little more complicated.

4. It is very stall prone when lugging those gunpods.

Contrasted with earlier and later 109's the G-2 is a compromise but not necessarily a bad one. The F series is truly a "dogfighter", lean and mean with the sole purpose of downing enemy fighters. The late Gustavs are the heavy hitters meant primarily for bomber intercepts, in a bounce they're great but turn too long and sooner or later you're dead. The G-2 OTOH is not the best dogfighter nor is it the ideal ride for a bomber-intercept, BUT it's one of the few LW planes that can do both equally well, much like the A5.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:03 PM
Always stuck with the later variants or the F4. I might starting to try the G2, sounds like an interesting 'period' plane.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 02:13 PM
I liek the G2 best. you just6 can't use it on late war servers cause it's too slow. I usually use extra gunpods, with that she has a nice punch. It is turning nearly like the F and nearly as fast as G6.

When i started playing online i used the K4 cause i thought if i suck i'll at least use the strongest 109. i still sucked lol. then i tried the G2 for fun and boom i got a kill. It was funny to watch whenever i took a higher version i got killed when i took G2 i killed lol. Now i usually take the G2 or the G14 when i play with 109.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 03:48 PM
IMHO the G-2 is the best of all early/mid 109s, it truely rules the others in 1942. It`s the fastest prop at that time, with great climb, and firepower is good enough (if only they corrected the ammo load). It also handles nicely, better than later 109s. And I don`t miss the MK108 that much, you could do just as well without it... for bombers, yes, it would be needed, but you can still mount gunpods (maybe I am one of the few who don`t hate them, but it`s really simple, you just have to follow some basic rules... and IMHO, you are still more manouverable than the 190s).

The only thing I really miss from the G-2 is the Erla canopy of the late G-6s... rear view is bad without it. And, agaisnt later planes, it`s not worth to fly G-2 - by 1944 planes are faster than it, and you have to keep the pace with them, to hold the advantage of initiative, even if it comes at some manourverbility.

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:11 PM
oh-rip

Your confused my son. I'm not sure why you want to turn fight a G2 against a La5FN. You must have found some lame La drivers. It will not turn with it.

If you want a turn fighter. The F4 is a much better choice, and has the same armament (crappy). This may surprise you, but the F4 will out climb the G2 easily. It shouldn't, but until the patch, it does.


btw..The K4 is the best 109. Speed and climb is life../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:34 PM
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You might want to take a look at when this topic started, your arguing FM's and planes from before forgotten battles came out/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 04:41 PM
I hate it, when I don't notice that.

B_F_D

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 07:30 PM
Isegrim got it quite right.

In 1942 combats the Bf109G2 is clearly the best ride. It has a great climb rate (which is still a bit too low) and very high speed for that time. The only downside of the plane that I can think of right now is that it has few ammo but in FB that's a known bug (currently it's only about 100 20mm shells whereas in RL it had 250 I think).

When flying this babe always remember to climb. Bounce your enemy, fly a high speed attack (only fire when you're close - I know that's Hartmann's style /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) and after your attack use your energy to climb again. I normally have easy play with other 1942 planes that way.

And if you take 50% fuel it's even quite maneuvrable (less stall prone than with 100% - comparable to F4).
I'm also a G2 lover and fly this bird now since IL2 almost 80% of the time. If you know how to energy-fight you'll rule the sky!

Comparing the 109G6 early/late (without Mk108) and G2 the latter clearly wins:
1) G2 climbs better
2) it's faster
3) more maneuvrable
4) more ammo for the 20mm

The G6 only has 2 advantages:
1) better armament (MG131)
2) better cockpit visibility (late version)

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XyZspineZyX
06-21-2003, 11:15 PM
NDS_Rik666 wrote:
- G2 is outclassed by the Yak 9, and in FB probably by
- the La5 too.
-
- You'd better take a G6'late
-
- S~

Well.. i'd take G6 over G6'late.. as G6'late is worse than G6.. maybe becaus of the wooden tail?

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