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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 10:59 PM
I have been thinking about all the "Where is the flyable P-51?" and other such US plane whinings.

Please read this and understand. Even if you are a Yank.

The second world war started in September 1939, and the War in Russia started on 22nd June 1941, as you all know. Now, the difference in months is just over 5 months. Therfore I say that it right that the Americans wait for their aircraft as long as the UK, USSR etc. waited for them in the second world war. Offending maybe, but just my opinion, considering that the game is based on the Russian front. Forgive me if I am wrong, but shouldn't Russian or German a/c take priority?

Bring on the spitfire, as its a classic of the era, the P-51 was only a late war plane, introduced when Germany was already beaten. We Brits made it work when the Americans failed anyway, so we can take credit for that. I know Americans cant stand to have their rose tinted view of the USA questioned, but its the truth.

Speaking of taking credit, I read in a newspaper recently that there is to be a hollywood film about the Battle of Britain. Just like in Saving Private Ryan and U-571, the Brits are totally ignored, IN THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! While there were Yanks in the BOB, they were only 12 in number, and the pilot featured in the film (played by Tom cruise) flew 3 missions and never shot down another aircraft. This is disgraceful, and just shows the American attitude to the rest of the world. Remember, you Americans would still be Brits if it was not for the French!

Please Understand my views. I think many will agree (I hope)


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 10:59 PM
I have been thinking about all the "Where is the flyable P-51?" and other such US plane whinings.

Please read this and understand. Even if you are a Yank.

The second world war started in September 1939, and the War in Russia started on 22nd June 1941, as you all know. Now, the difference in months is just over 5 months. Therfore I say that it right that the Americans wait for their aircraft as long as the UK, USSR etc. waited for them in the second world war. Offending maybe, but just my opinion, considering that the game is based on the Russian front. Forgive me if I am wrong, but shouldn't Russian or German a/c take priority?

Bring on the spitfire, as its a classic of the era, the P-51 was only a late war plane, introduced when Germany was already beaten. We Brits made it work when the Americans failed anyway, so we can take credit for that. I know Americans cant stand to have their rose tinted view of the USA questioned, but its the truth.

Speaking of taking credit, I read in a newspaper recently that there is to be a hollywood film about the Battle of Britain. Just like in Saving Private Ryan and U-571, the Brits are totally ignored, IN THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! While there were Yanks in the BOB, they were only 12 in number, and the pilot featured in the film (played by Tom cruise) flew 3 missions and never shot down another aircraft. This is disgraceful, and just shows the American attitude to the rest of the world. Remember, you Americans would still be Brits if it was not for the French!

Please Understand my views. I think many will agree (I hope)


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:02 PM
Spudo,


Do not confuse Hollywood with America. Two completely different entities.



Blutarski

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:07 PM
Yes, well I'm sure the UK would have done just fine liberating Europe without American assistance.

Nice post Spudo, you get the Asshat of the Day award!

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:07 PM
...and of course this all has everything to do
with a computer game.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:09 PM
BLUTARSKI wrote:
- Spudo,
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- Do not confuse Hollywood with America. Two
- completely different entities.
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- Blutarski
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Perhaps they are, its still a disgrace.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:15 PM
Well, I'm British and I think you're full of it./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

As for the Battle of Britain flick, do you really think that making a film about Wing Commander Ginger Pen*s ,complete with handlebar moustache and silk scarf,shooting down Jerry in his old trusty Spit is going to put loads of American butt's into cinema seats,generating millions in the process in the vital US film market, turning it into a good money spinner?

Nah, I didnt think so either.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:15 PM
It's a disgrace for someone to make an entertaining movie????

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:15 PM
Lock this crap mods plz.

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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:16 PM
faustnik wrote:
- Yes, well I'm sure the UK would have done just fine
- liberating Europe without American assistance.
-
- Nice post Spudo, you get the Asshat of the Day
- award!
-
-

Its all too easy...
I dont dispute that, all I am saying is that:
1) Give more relevant aircraft priority for FB
2) Give the brits some recognition
3) Stop getting so agitated about critiscm of the USA
4) lighten up!


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10-10-2003, 11:16 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:18 PM
BLUTARSKI wrote:

- Do not confuse Hollywood with America. Two
- completely different entities.


You are wrong here!

Hollywood is a VERY, VERY big part of (North)America and (North)American culture.

Take the good with the bad. To pretend otherwise is absurd.


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:20 PM
Its not a disgrace to make an entertaining movie, just that it might be offensive to all the pilots and their families who gave their lives defending Britain, thats all. perhaps i was wrong, i will admit that, but still, there is no harm in a bit of patriotism. Perhaps discgrace was too strong a word.


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:21 PM
Anyway, any news on the patch?

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:22 PM
What does your nationality have anything to do with the game?

First off, I find this sim to be very enjoyable, and perhaps one of the greatest learning experiences for me has been the ability to meet and befriend people from all over the world.

How is an american who enjoys an american aircraft any different from any other person who wishes to fly what his elders flew?

I agree with Lead, this type of stuff is not needed, as the real pilots in this forum respect and admire pilots from all over the world as I do - and respect their desire to see their favorite aircraft in this fantastic sim!



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:23 PM
This is funny.

You insult an entite culture because you want your favorite plane in a video game.

Then you complain about a movie that depicts a man, a clear minority, going against common convention; helping fight someone elses war, and ultimately dieing while defending a country not his own.

Then you quote Homer Simpson, a popular American cartoon.



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:26 PM
Spudo wrote:
- Its not a disgrace to make an entertaining movie,
- just that it might be offensive to all the pilots
- and their families who gave their lives defending
- Britain, thats all. perhaps i was wrong, i will
- admit that, but still, there is no harm in a bit of
- patriotism. Perhaps discgrace was too strong a word.




...keep this thread goin' a little longer and he'll
probably confess to the "Lindberg Kidnapping"...


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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:27 PM
1) Too late . The "irrelevant" Mustang will be in the next free add-on .

2) The Brits get some recognition . Remember the Hurricane ? Have you heard of the new sim due out in 2005 ?

3) Me , aggitated ? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

4) Heed your own advice .

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Buzz_25th
10-10-2003, 11:27 PM
Oh brother.



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:32 PM
-Remember, you Americans
- would still be Brits if it was not for the French!

And remember, you might be speaking German right now if not for the Americans!

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:35 PM
Hmmm, got a feeling we could have been speaking German before the Americans got 'offficially' involved, but thats for another time and thread, and isn't meant to be derogitory, just a case of time frames thats all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:43 PM
EasyEight wrote:
- Hmmm, got a feeling we could have been speaking
- German before the Americans got 'offficially'
- involved, but thats for another time and thread, and
- isn't meant to be derogitory, just a case of time
- frames thats all http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


This is true...(flashback to a highschool history
book)......

At the end of the Revolutionary War, a vote was
taken as to what the national language would be...

The choices were English or German.



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XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:46 PM
Skywolf-PBNA wrote:
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- The choices were English or German.

yep, English won by 1 vote.

XyZspineZyX
10-10-2003, 11:50 PM
It is if you're exploiting and twisting history to do it.
If Hollywood wants to blow up the earth in Terminator 3, be my guest. But for god's sake, if you decide to make a movie about a battle in WWII, at least give credit to the people who fought and died in that battle.

Panelboy wrote:
- It's a disgrace for someone to make an entertaining
- movie????
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- Barfly
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ZG77_Nagual
10-11-2003, 12:00 AM
As we all know the p47 was designed by a Russian, the mustang by a german who worked on the 109 then given a Brit engine.

Don't get offended by Hollywood, mate. They operate on an altogether different Basis. Perfectly ok to make a flik about the americans that fought in BOB - it's not like we won the thing for you or anything.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:03 AM
It appears to be a movie about one man? Not a battle per se?

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:09 AM
I always find these assumptions a little odd. I like 51s AND Spits. In fact, the 51 is NOT my favorite AC; the FW190 is. But it was capable the way it was used, and it had enough legs to remain adequate. For me, flying it would just help me relate a little better to the war. Nobody won the war alone. PM Churchill wanted US help, because Britain needed it--not because they were somehow incompetant, but because only a thorough ***-wooping, from anyone willing to lend a hand, could cripple naziism and return Gemrany to its people. Naziism wasn't just going to go away, however courageous Britain was. I'm a Yank and personally don't know ANYONE who doesn't respect what Britain and Russia, and so many other Nations did to bear the early brunt of war. I can only guess that the worst of us travel there and make you think we're all idiots. I spent a short time in Britain, and my FIRST impression was "no wonder they fought so hard."

On the point of films: does England trouble itself to make films about Yanks for Yanks. Probably not--it would be a little odd I think. When I want more than Hollywood wants to bother with, I look to "foreign" films or less commercial ventures. Speilburg stated that SPR's intent was to help us understand what our quiet old vets went through and why their character tends to keep them quiet. It raised our awareness within that confine. That doesn't mean he was slighting anyone. And he certainly didn't imply that these Rangers won the war. There was enough of that left for many suquels. He also did Schindler's List. He had his personal reasons, but certainly it had universal appeal. Enemy at the Gates was highly regarded by everyone I know--it didn't need Yanks in it either.

I don't think you test the logic of your own assumptions. I would be just as happy as you to have Hollywood take on the early war years, knowing there would be less for me to relate to, but I certainly want to know what that terrible time was like.

You may well be right that some attitudes among us are more pervasive than we realise. But those of us who occassionally use our brain are more than glad to add to their embarrassment.

As for Cruz. My brother paraphrazes his films this way: "Spoiled *** gets religion and gets laid anyway." Until he broadens his talents, I won't be singing his praises or wasting much money on him.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:16 AM
Hotheads. Watch the film. Get an informed opinion before you flame it..

How'd we know this film's gonna glorify Jack? Fiske was a renegade.. A self-made soldier of fortune who - despite his country's neutrality - went to fight and die for a 'foreign' war.

Well er.. that sounds pretty freakin noble to this sucker. Oooh akin to say.. a film narrative!

Where'd it say this film'll downsize the sacrifices of the RAF crews? That America will be painted as the decisive factor in the victory? In some 2 bit throw away, speculative, internet, trashy column that's where.

The kinda people who believe every piece of crap they find on the interent.. every news site feigning some air of imagined insight... is a fool.

So yeah.. I aint taking sides.. just remain objective kids.

Projects such as this are toyed with.. dropped or changed at the whim of producers. Arguing at this stage is like drawing in the sand my friends.

And British.. I don't wish to be pigeon-holed by the turd who started up this thread. "We brits" ..What BS.. the only connection you have to those who fought in the war is sharing a common birthplace.. the same rock in the sea.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:21 AM
Where is a MOD when you need one?????????????? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:24 AM
I agree with the author of this post %100.

But folks, remember Hollywood is of on its own litle planet and fails to adhear to the real now, let alone the real past.

California is on its way to being kicked out of the union, so please don't generalize Californians and "Yanks".



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:25 AM
Spudo wrote:

- 3) Stop getting so agitated about critiscm of the
- USA

Get stuffed patato boy! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Buzz_25th
10-11-2003, 12:26 AM
So if your a Californian, your not American anymore? Classic.


btw..I hardly think Calif. is being kicked out of anything.

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Zayets
10-11-2003, 12:28 AM
Everybody!
SHUUUUUUUUUUUT UUUUUUUUUUUUP!

Is just a freaking game folks , a game , do you understand? We should look at every darn nation on the face of earth and see their beautiful (sometimes worst) parts. What's wrong with US? One of the most beautiful country in the world , the leader to follow today? What's wrong with UK? The greatest empire from the Romans to our days, the engine of the modern age? Or France , the beautiful , sweet France? Or Italy , the old Italy? Or Germany , that attitude , that dedication , or Russia , man , how much will is there! This board became lately a battleground for many morons sweeped out from PL.Now they had some ground here. I agree with everybody posting in this thread if that makes you happy , but please concentrate somehow on the game.Don't you see that the game is dying? All we talk is about what if Hitler , what if Churchill , what if Rooesevelt had an GPS wheelchair, what if Mussolini toilet paper was double coated. Count the posts and you will see how HERE in IL2FB forum BoB and related posts gain substantial ground.And if the Med will be include FB will die , as IL2 died early this year.
Well , I'll go to sleep , maybe is better.

Oh , one more thing , American,German,British,Russian they have one thing in common , or maybe more...

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:31 AM
ooooooook,,, and who is your govenor?????

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:33 AM
I'm sure Ick visits San Francisco frequently with that sig of his.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:48 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen !

Introducing the new Govenor Elect of California !!!!

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faustnik wrote:
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- that sig of his.
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:55 AM
Spudo wrote:
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- Anyone who is unpleasant needs to Remember I know
- Kung Fu. Yes realy...So dont start!
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Oh, Yeah. Well I know Kung Pao, Chicken. That'll get you started./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:59 AM
This kind of thread is an absolute necessity, its a safety valve in preventing FB forum mental illness. Its the nature of the beast lurking within the fundamentals of FB subject matter.

Don't you understand?... Its an escape, temporary insanity if you will. When it passes everyone will be refreshed, with eagerness and solemnity for the next day or so, to again enjoy your favorite aircraft, flight-models, what-if scenarios etc..

Just let it flow..and remember the irony of its challenge, and greatest accomplishment... is niceness.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:12 AM
LOL !!!

did you loose your cookies

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Buzz_25th
10-11-2003, 01:16 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:18 AM
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Spudo wrote:
- I have been thinking about all the "Where is the
- flyable P-51?" and other such US plane whinings.

Well uhhhhhh the flyable P-51 will be in the very next patch I do believe so we arent whining......just chomping at the bit/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif and like it or not the Spit will be along.....eventually so suck it up and wait like the rest of us....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif plus you're gonna have to pay...... like me and everybody else in here....SOOORRRYYY.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

The second world war started in September 1939, and
- the War in Russia started on 22nd June 1941, as you
- all know. Now, the difference in months is just over
- 5 months. Therfore I say that it right that the
- Americans wait for their aircraft as long as the UK,
- USSR etc. waited for them in the second world war.
- Offending maybe, but just my opinion, considering
- that the game is based on the Russian front. Forgive
- me if I am wrong, but shouldn't Russian or German
- a/c take priority?

Wrong again !! IL2 was the Eastern Front sim.... THIS sim was never intended to stay on the Eastern Front and it is going to be expanding as you probably know by now since you are so astute and all...(ppppplease!! Dont hurt me Mr. Kung Fu man..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )

- Speaking of taking credit, I read in a newspaper
- recently that there is to be a hollywood film about
- the Battle of Britain. Just like in Saving Private
- Ryan and U-571, the Brits are totally ignored, IN
- THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! While there were Yanks in
- the BOB, they were only 12 in number, and the pilot
- featured in the film (played by Tom cruise) flew 3
- missions and never shot down another aircraft. This
- is disgraceful, and just shows the American attitude
- to the rest of the world. Remember, you Americans
- would still be Brits if it was not for the French!


You just recently read this!!!!! WOW!!!!! WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!!!!! Disgruntled Brits and other BOZOS with axes to grind and beefs against the US have been grieving over this for almost 3 weeks now!!!! Get with it man!!!! I would like to know where you got that crystal ball of yours though...with the movie review b efore it's even made....come to think of it I think your crystal ball is highly overmodeled..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

(ppppppleeease Mr. Kung Fu man...d-d-d-dont hurt me....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif )

Its all too easy...
I dont dispute that, all I am saying is that:
1) Give more relevant aircraft priority for FB
2) Give the brits some recognition
3) Stop getting so agitated about critiscm of the USA
4) lighten up!


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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:26 AM
Salute Spuda

I'm going to have to correct you.

The war in the air was NOT won before American planes were introduced.

In fact, in early 1943, the Germans controlled the airspace over most of Europe.

It was only with the introduction of the P-47, followed by the P-38 and P-51 that the Germans were beaten over the continent.

Spitfires, Hurricanes, Typhoons etc did not have the range to dominate the airspace over either France or Germany.

German aircraft losses skyrocketed when USAAF formations came into action.


RAF74 Buzzsaw

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:29 AM
RAF74BuzzsawXO wrote:
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- German aircraft losses skyrocketed when USAAF
- formations came into action.


And so were USAAF's losses.



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:34 AM
RS_Shiesty wrote:
- Skywolf-PBNA wrote:
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-- The choices were English or German.
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- yep, English won by 1 vote.
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-

Not true:

Official German?

MYTH: German missed becoming the official language of the United States by a margin of one vote.

There was no vote on German as the official language of the United States. The Library of Congress has investigated and dismissed this patently absurd story as has Prof. Henry A. Pochmann in German Culture in America, 1600-1900 (Madison, University of Wisconsin Press, 1957).

Furthermore, even in Pennsylvania (where Germans made up 33.3 percent of the population in 1790), no such or similar vote occurred, despite persistent rumors otherwise. (See Albert Bernhardt Faust, The German Element in the United States, New York, Steuben Society of America, 1927, vol. 2, pp. 652-653.

The Pennsylvania rumor dates from 1847, when historian Franz Loher alleged:

In the State Assembly, not long after the conclusion of peace, a motion was made to establish the German language as the official and legal language of Pennsylvania... When the vote was taken on this question -- whether the prevailing language in the Assembly, in the courts and in the official records of Pennsylvania should be German -- there was a tie. Half voted for the introduction of the German language... Thereupon the Speaker of the Assembly, a certain Muhlenberg, cast the deciding vote in favor of the English language.

In 1931, the scholar Otto Lohr revealed the truth. On January 9, 1794, a petition from the Germans in Virginia (not Pennsylvania) requested that Congress provide for the publication of German translations of some of its laws. It was reported favorably out of committee on December 23. It was rejected by the House committee of the whole on January 13, 1795, by a vote of 42 to 41 (no roll-call was taken). Frederick Muhlenberg was the Speaker of the House at the time (1789-91 and 1793-95); his brother John was on the committee that had reported out the petition. Frederick has previously been Speaker of the Pennsylvania House twice, which may explain the transference of the rumor to Pennsylvania.

It is the theory of the Historical Materials Division of the Library of Congress that the German-American Bund of the '30s created the national myth out of Loher's fiction and Lohr's fact, and circulated it as Nazi propaganda. This theory is bolstered by the fact that the rumor (in its national form) does not appear before that time.

Buzz_25th
10-11-2003, 01:34 AM
Huck,

We couldn't have any losses until we got there. Duh! The point is. We beat you.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:39 AM
Spudo wrote:
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- Bring on the spitfire, as its a classic of the era,
- the P-51 was only a late war plane, introduced when
- Germany was already beaten. We Brits made it work
- when the Americans failed anyway, so we can take
- credit for that. I know Americans cant stand to have
- their rose tinted view of the USA questioned, but
- its the truth.
-

I believe it was the Fighting 99th, Tuskeege Airmen, that kicked "A" with the P-51, (Over 200 missions without losing a single bomber to enemy fire.) allowing the B-17's to soften up Berlin, along with our ( Brit & Amer.) Russian allies putting a ground offensive from h*ll on. But it all comes down to we worked together. We bled together and died together. S!

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:48 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Huck,
-
- We couldn't have any losses until we got there.
- Duh! The point is. We beat you.
-
-

Thats what I like about you Buzz, you don't bother with verbal smackdown; you calmly drop napalm and walk away.

This whole thread is hilarious.

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10-11-2003, 01:50 AM
Thank you. I do my best.


btw..It's the only way to treat Huck../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:52 AM
Spudo wrote:
-
- Bring on the spitfire, as its a classic of the era,
- the P-51 was only a late war plane, introduced when
- Germany was already beaten. We Brits made it work
- when the Americans failed anyway, so we can take
- credit for that. I know Americans cant stand to have
- their rose tinted view of the USA questioned, but
- its the truth.
-


Spudo.........do you realize how much of an idiot you sound like? We are not a monolith...we Americans... we are not a melting pot either...we're a stew. You have lumps of meat, vegetables,spices and seasonings and lots of juice all mixed up into a tasty meal so pls dont show your ignorance by lumping us all together.....it isnt good manners...and you being British and all.....(get my point?) FYI.... The Mustang was quite a potent weapon before it got its Merlin as we will all se come January or there abouts when the Allison Ponys come off the line. But thats in the sim....read a little bit and you will find that the pre Merlin Ponies were not to be taken lightly...very good AC. With the Merlin we were just able to do better thats all.

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Buzz_25th
10-11-2003, 01:55 AM
Did Bear just call me a lump of meat? Or am I a potato?

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:55 AM
I keep trying.....I keep hope but every time I return its nothing more than a bunch of ethnocentric twits with abounding knowlege that they should be forcing into pages of their well researched acredited book deals, yet they spend all their time debating in a forum. Sad..sad, get to work boys those publishers paid lots for this knowledge and we all want a piece of that knowledge pie.

Grow up children...this is not a public forum! Their are no excuses for the slander of others or much less whole countries. Half you terds would crap in your pants if you were confronted with one another.

Take this crap away Ubi....come on lay down the law this place is a discrace and by all means bad PR for not only Ubi but Maddox! Call me when the horse is dead.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:00 AM
well most of the planes had the range to cover most of france, german had basically aready lost in 1943 when the russians put em on the defenscive, on the eastern front, they wernt on the offencsive in the west, the US contributed alot but i dont even think germany would have won just fighting england and russia alone.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:03 AM
faustnik wrote:
- I'm sure Ick visits San Francisco frequently with
- that sig of his.
-
-

hahaha, that is too funny faustnik, you are right, I couldnt stop laughing once I looked at his signature.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:06 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Did Bear just call me a lump of meat? Or am I a
- potato?
-

Piece of cabbage?

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:06 AM
Good one Rummy, you should be a mod here! A few rotten apples here are preventing some interesting, civil discussion from this forum. I relish the occasional thread that is informative and interesting, but those are becoming rarer.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:07 AM
Whats funny is that the original post was a load of arse, having a dig at the Yank's and all that, and now everyone else is having a go back - Yanks are this, Brits are that, give the Germans a quick dig

Whoever matey is who started this must be sat back laughing his arse off at everyone chewing on the sh*t sandwich he posted. Totally inspired /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:08 AM
Yes, El Spudo you troll, the Americans do wear rose coloured glasses, and they are ego-centric and self-possesed, and yes they do think the American flag flies already on alien planets and next to God's throne, but...

They make good neighbours (better than France!) and on a one to one basis they are great people. (But they do get kind of loopy when a whole whack of them get together, but we're all like that.)

The Americans might not have won the war single handed, and yes the Spitfire had a charisma that no US plane could match, but we Commonwealth folk should at least appreciate that they showed up for the party, (albeit fashionably late), and stayed until the bitter end. They earned their place in the sun. Besides, my mother was an American. Gasp!

And you may know Kung-Fu - but I know Husqvarna.



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Buzz_25th
10-11-2003, 02:11 AM
Wait a minute! I thought we were having fun. You don't mean everybody was serious?

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:15 AM
Theres always one who doesnt take it serious. jeez /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:19 AM
yes weve got the GOVERNATOR now. yes without the usa england would be speaking german. yes russia would have been overrun without lendlease from the usa . yes japan would have owned the entire pacific if not for the usa. yes no one wants to thank the usa except for those that got saved and their all dying off. so lets drop all this now. or does anyone or any country wish to fight the usa? wonder who would win that. IBTL this thread should have been locked a LONG time ago

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:21 AM
Culmination of post I have been wanting to type all into one big burp. Buzz i'ts hard to take someone with such a low post count as your serious /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:23 AM
Zyzbot wrote:
-
- RS_Shiesty wrote:
-- Skywolf-PBNA wrote:
---
--- The choices were English or German.
--
-- yep, English won by 1 vote.
--
--
-
- Not true:
-
- Official German?
-
- MYTH: German missed becoming the official language
- of the United States by a margin of one vote.
-
- There was no vote on German as the official language
- of the United States. The Library of Congress has
- investigated and dismissed this patently absurd
- story as has Prof. Henry A. Pochmann in German
- Culture in America, 1600-1900 (Madison, University
- of Wisconsin Press, 1957).
-
- Furthermore, even in Pennsylvania (where Germans
- made up 33.3 percent of the population in 1790), no
- such or similar vote occurred, despite persistent
- rumors otherwise. (See Albert Bernhardt Faust, The
- German Element in the United States, New York,
- Steuben Society of America, 1927, vol. 2, pp.
- 652-653.
-
- The Pennsylvania rumor dates from 1847, when
- historian Franz Loher alleged:
-
- In the State Assembly, not long after the conclusion
- of peace, a motion was made to establish the German
- language as the official and legal language of
- Pennsylvania... When the vote was taken on this
- question -- whether the prevailing language in the
- Assembly, in the courts and in the official records
- of Pennsylvania should be German -- there was a tie.
- Half voted for the introduction of the German
- language... Thereupon the Speaker of the Assembly, a
- certain Muhlenberg, cast the deciding vote in favor
- of the English language.
-
- In 1931, the scholar Otto Lohr revealed the truth.
- On January 9, 1794, a petition from the Germans in
- Virginia (not Pennsylvania) requested that Congress
- provide for the publication of German translations
- of some of its laws. It was reported favorably out
- of committee on December 23. It was rejected by the
- House committee of the whole on January 13, 1795, by
- a vote of 42 to 41 (no roll-call was taken).
- Frederick Muhlenberg was the Speaker of the House at
- the time (1789-91 and 1793-95); his brother John was
- on the committee that had reported out the petition.
- Frederick has previously been Speaker of the
- Pennsylvania House twice, which may explain the
- transference of the rumor to Pennsylvania.
-
- It is the theory of the Historical Materials
- Division of the Library of Congress that the
- German-American Bund of the '30s created the
- national myth out of Loher's fiction and Lohr's
- fact, and circulated it as Nazi propaganda. This
- theory is bolstered by the fact that the rumor (in
- its national form) does not appear before that time.
-



ok...........but I'm glad we speak English.

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Buzz_25th
10-11-2003, 02:25 AM
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:28 AM
RedDeth wrote:

so lets drop all this now. or does anyone or
- any country wish to fight the usa? wonder who would
- win that.

Yawn

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:42 AM
easyeight. OUT OF CONTEXT . learn to past the entire paragraph.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:48 AM
Some has left "the thin red line" of this thread, and it was indeed thin when it was started..

rgds

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:52 AM
Spudo,
I only have one thing to say...............
All your Spitfires are belong to us /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif :0
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:53 AM
you guys are laughing about California electing Arnold?

We in Ontario just elected friggin Norman Bates...

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:54 AM
You guys are laughing about California electing Arnold?

We in Ontario just elect friggin' Norman Bates...

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:24 AM
If FB kept with your idiotic theory of releasing planes according to historical releases, what would we be flying here? This is a game, ya test tube baby. Oleg put in a wide variety of planes for us to have fun. We can explore the strengths and weakness of each plane. Whether there's going to be addon planes or not is irrelevant to the whole purpose of this game. Note the word GAME. This is for personal amusement. It'd be fun to have a wider selection of planes, but if we don't get it, so what? As far as releasing planes on a time table to mimic history...that's idiotic. Think before you spout off. Now go to bed, you have school tomorrow, and your mommy will ground you if you stay up late.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 03:34 AM
Jensenpark,

Does that mean he'll dress like Adrienne Clarson and stalk Paul Martin in the shower?

(Sorry. Inside joke.)



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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:02 AM
It really doesn't matter British or not, you'd definitly get the boot outta here!/i/smilies/16x16_robot-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:02 AM
Beirut wrote:
- Jensenpark,
-
- Does that mean he'll dress like Adrienne Clarson and
- stalk Paul Martin in the shower?
-
- (Sorry. Inside joke.)
-
-
-
-
- "Official Lancaster Whiner"
-
-
- LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif You've just creeped me out to the point I ain't sleeping tonight!

Hey, getting anywhere as a Lanc Whiner? Add me to the list!
-
-
-
-

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 04:21 AM
hmmmmm...Colorado..38 million over budjet
california 38 BILLION over budjet...

what was the question again?



Bearcat99 wrote:
- (
- Spudo wrote:
-- I have been thinking about all the "Where is the
-- flyable P-51?" and other such US plane whinings.
-
- Well uhhhhhh the flyable P-51 will be in the very
- next patch I do believe so we arent
- whining......just chomping at the bit/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif and like it or not the
- Spit will be along.....eventually so suck it up and
- wait like the rest of us....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif plus you're gonna have to
- pay...... like me and everybody else in
- here....SOOORRRYYY.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
-
- The second world war started in September 1939, and
-- the War in Russia started on 22nd June 1941, as you
-- all know. Now, the difference in months is just over
-- 5 months. Therfore I say that it right that the
-- Americans wait for their aircraft as long as the UK,
-- USSR etc. waited for them in the second world war.
-- Offending maybe, but just my opinion, considering
-- that the game is based on the Russian front. Forgive
-- me if I am wrong, but shouldn't Russian or German
-- a/c take priority?
-
- Wrong again !! IL2 was the Eastern Front sim....
- THIS sim was never intended to stay on the Eastern
- Front and it is going to be expanding as you
- probably know by now since you are so astute and
- all...(ppppplease!! Dont hurt me Mr. Kung Fu
- man..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )
-
-- Speaking of taking credit, I read in a newspaper
-- recently that there is to be a hollywood film about
-- the Battle of Britain. Just like in Saving Private
-- Ryan and U-571, the Brits are totally ignored, IN
-- THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN!! While there were Yanks in
-- the BOB, they were only 12 in number, and the pilot
-- featured in the film (played by Tom cruise) flew 3
-- missions and never shot down another aircraft. This
-- is disgraceful, and just shows the American attitude
-- to the rest of the world. Remember, you Americans
-- would still be Brits if it was not for the French!
-
-
- You just recently read this!!!!! WOW!!!!! WHERE HAVE
- YOU BEEN!!!!! Disgruntled Brits and other BOZOS with
- axes to grind and beefs against the US have been
- grieving over this for almost 3 weeks now!!!! Get
- with it man!!!! I would like to know where you got
- that crystal ball of yours though...with the movie
- review b efore it's even made....come to think of it
- I think your crystal ball is highly
- overmodeled..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .
-
- (ppppppleeease Mr. Kung Fu man...d-d-d-dont hurt
- me....../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif )
-
- Its all too easy...
- I dont dispute that, all I am saying is that:
- 1) Give more relevant aircraft priority for FB
- 2) Give the brits some recognition
- 3) Stop getting so agitated about critiscm of the
- USA
- 4) lighten up!
-
-
- <FONT COLOR="YELLOW"><FONT SIZE="+6">YOU GUYS KILL
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 07:29 AM
Spudo wrote:

- Anyone who is unpleasant needs to Remember I know
- Kung Fu. Yes realy...So dont start!
-

OH really

read my name. I practically invented kung fu So keep your nationalistic brit gob shut.

amitahba

Mo Pai

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 10:07 AM
i thought he just liked eating mo pai for dessert .........i like mo tiramisu and mo creme brulee

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:33 PM
Wow. Just read your bigoted flame bait post.
"Beware of Brits who quote The Simpsons".
That usually is the main leading indicator
of an anti-american poltroon.

Unlike you, I don't assume that you represent
your entire nation when you go trolling on forums.
So I won't go on to insult Brits who are generally
clever and polite.

But, I will take exception to you as a person,
and to your facts, and your interpretations thereof.

Country Men in war Battle deaths Wounded
================================================== =====
Australia 1,000,000 26,976 180,864
Canada 1,086,343 42,042 53,145
United Kingdom 5,896,000 357,116 369,267
United States 16,112,566 291,557 670,846

There are your facts, pal. My dad was one of the
670,846. His destroyer was sunk by a U-Boat
in the North Atlantic protecting a convoy of
supplies head over to your buddy boy Joe Stalin.
2 of my great uncles landed in Normandy. Also
wounded in action.

So, I say to you: How dare you trivialize the sacrifices
our country made during the second world war.
It's a good thing you have the anonymity of the internet
to protect you. I'd love to educate your sorry a**
in person.

I say, sir, you are a coward and a disgrace to your countrymen.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 12:45 PM
Furthermore please READ THIS and UNDERSTAND,
even if you are a bigoted moron:

Saving Private Ryan was about some Amerian soldiers.
It was not about some British soldiers. So forgive
Steven Spielberg for not putting some Brits wandering
around inside the area of operations of the 101st
Airborne Division.

Maybe you can write to him and ask him to make a great
movie that honors the 1st Airborn division in Holland.
But you know what: there is a very wonderful movie
industry located in your country. I am sure that they
would be much better at making such a movie than
Mr. Speilberg would. You could even get some guys
who speak real English.

OK, I have had enough of you. You are a waste of
valuable electrons.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:02 PM
I'd really like to see a good movie about the Eagle Squadron, who flew for Britain under an English commander and did a darn good job. They lost a lot of men. Look them up on your search engine. I have a couple of books about them. Real Heoes. They were assimilated into tne U.S.A.F. after America made it's presense in England. There were quite a nuber if these U.S. pilots who gave their lives. Seems like they are largely ignored these days.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:11 PM
Quality post that - well said. I'm glad that some can see that not every Brit is stereotyped as a complete arse based on one persons post.

A lot of us are all guilty of stirring the pot with national pride, which in some ways you don't realise you're doing it. A lot of Brits look to the past for inspiration, cause there aint too much to rattle on about with our country right now.

Sometimes I wonder whether it's a difference in cultures that causes these little slanging matches. From my experience in the military, I always found Americans to be polite and friendly people, and the biggest difference was the sense of humour we have and the seemingly natural way that the Yanks put on a good show and large things up a little, where as we tend to get on with things without much fuss.Hardly a major problem is it, well, not to me anyway.

This scenario might put it into perspective :

We did a joint exercise with some US OPFOR troops. Afterwards, huge BBQ on the go and everyone drinking loads of beers - talking anout all sorts of stuff and getting on. Theres this one huge yank chewing tobacco , one of the Brits asked him what it was, so he offered him some. My mate declined, saying he had his own , and proceeded to put out a pack of cigarettes, and eat one whole, filter and all, in front of this guy. The look of amazement on his face was classic, I dont think he could believe he did it. Later on my mate actually admitted that he had the hardest job in the world from puking up when eating that smoke, but he had to do it.

I just figure that we might do and say things differently, but were batting on the same team right? At least we can agree that nothing has changed there in 60 years?

Peace

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:12 PM
yeah Eagle Squadrons are teh awesome

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Disney's Pearl Harbor tried to include a little ES into their over-Hollywoodinated pyrotechnic fest. (with so much computer technology they can't even get Squadron codes right /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif ).

and yes... many American volunteers joined with RAF No. 71, No. 121 and No. 133 under RAF leadership and many also gave their lives

I don't suppose spudo here would think they were worth her Majasties Hurricanes and Spitfires, but the RAF did.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 01:21 PM
I also agree with topic poster 100%

I think we're just annoyed that England seems to have become forgotten. No longer are we "English" - we are "British"

A small point, but it annoys us none-the-less.

Also, this will lead the American population, or those who are ignorant to the battle, to believe that America was the "saviour" "again". This, undoubtedly, aggrevates us.

My 12-year old American cousin cannot point out "England" on an unmarked map, he does not know where Iraq is, and when asked: "Where is Africa" he points to the middle of the African continent and says: "Somewhere around there"

However, he can name an map all 51 states of America.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:00 PM
This should have been locked a long time ago. Mods do your job. Kinder and gentler?



Message Edited on 10/11/0306:00AM by BlackPhenix

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:04 PM
SS-Sorce wrote:
- I also agree with topic poster 100%
-
- I think we're just annoyed that England seems to
- have become forgotten. No longer are we "English" -
- we are "British"
-
- A small point, but it annoys us none-the-less.
-
- Also, this will lead the American population, or
- those who are ignorant to the battle, to believe
- that America was the "saviour" "again". This,
- undoubtedly, aggrevates us.
-
- My 12-year old American cousin cannot point out
- "England" on an unmarked map, he does not know where
- Iraq is, and when asked: "Where is Africa" he points
- to the middle of the African continent and says:
- "Somewhere around there"
-
- However, he can name an map all 51 states of
- America.
-
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OH here we go again.

I was on HL the other night and found a server hosting a BoB scenario... I didn't realize the english channel was sooo small. Thanks to the host for putting the BoB in perspective, because for the longest time, I really thought it took place over several hundred sq miles.

Not everyone takes everything seriously. Maybe you are that simplistic, but you really should credit the rest of us with the power of abstract thought.

And who cares what a 12 year old knows? In the US, that fellow has the oppurtunity to start a billion dollar business while not being able to spell (he could become a highly-paid quarterback in the NFL too!!).

Be nice, your entire country is judged on the interweb.

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:14 PM
we only have 50 states dude.

last I knew, they were thinking about adding a territory to the statehood but it never took.

unless thats a typo, then you just proved that you're about as truly knowledgable about us as we are of you /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

That's OK though, you see, since you don't live here, I wouldn't hold it against you if you didn't know we had 50 or 100 states.

I don't know a lot about England. Why? Because I live in Hawaii and am a full time college student, who isn't majoring in History, and isnt taking a political history class. I've got a thousand more things to worry about than what's going on in other countries that affect me at the moment.

I know America is far from perfect, and most other countries overgeneralize Americans as a fat, arrogant people... which is definately true in some cases, but not nearly as much as the rest of the world would like to think.

when I was 12 years old I could point out England on an unmarked map, and knew all of my continants and oceans too.

I doubt your cousins geographical knowledge represents the norm of American educational standards /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Also, I do not believe that America was the Savior of the British and French during WWII.

I do however believe that without us, you would have suffered more losses than you already have, and that we played a significant part in the ETO.

What makes me angry about the subject is that when Europeans do mention that they could've defeated Hitler on their own, it comes out as "We didn't need your help" as opposed to "We could've done it but thanks for your help"

I know we didn't win the war alone, but I also know that we weren't just along for the ride.

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10-11-2003, 02:16 PM
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The Scots and Welsh get upset when they are lumped in with the "English". /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif "British" is a better word to describe the inhabitants of the British Isles.

England is only one part that make up the United Kingdom, but then the English think they are superior to the others./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:17 PM
If only Spudo had his tongue in his cheek, then this post would have had some merit.

It's right that the Yanks have to wait 5 months for the P-51...! Ha-ha /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:21 PM
The movie would work for me if Homer Simpson took the Tom Cruise part.

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10-11-2003, 02:26 PM
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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:34 PM
The war was not won in the air, in the ETO, until just before D-Day.

It was not won before the appearance of the P-51.

Brit planes did NOT have the range to defeat the LW.

The P-51 enabled the strategy that did defeat the LW, ie they were forced to defend against bombing raids, and the escorts with range knocked them down.

Check the history books before posting otherwise.

XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:35 PM
....and to think...

...all this and everything else
was brought about because of a game that requires
one to sit in front of a screen playing with their
joystick...............LMAO!!!

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XyZspineZyX
10-11-2003, 02:36 PM
It's been an entertaining read.

I thank all participants for their contribution.

No need to try to contact Spudo. He'll be away for a week.


And Deathsledge. C'mon, we talked about your empty recruit threads.

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