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chimpiki
07-23-2005, 09:03 PM
Who else here thinks Harry Potter is the laimest guy in the world, him and his only two loser friends?

If anyone wants to defend Harry, be my guest and plead your case.

chimpiki
07-23-2005, 09:03 PM
Who else here thinks Harry Potter is the laimest guy in the world, him and his only two loser friends?

If anyone wants to defend Harry, be my guest and plead your case.

Badar_Basim
07-23-2005, 09:09 PM
Well personaly I love harry potter books and think that harry himself is a great guy. The only reason you think deferently is bucause you just suck http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

ChibiSango
07-23-2005, 09:17 PM
To each his own, ya know?
I personally love the Harry Potter series. I feel that the characters are pretty unique, and I see no reason to think they are "losers." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

chimpiki
07-23-2005, 09:40 PM
Well now that you two have posted your strong opinions, you're probably not gonna want to come back to this thread. But the whole franchise really annoys me. The books at first seemed good, but now they feel unoriginal. The movie's are a joke, and Hermione is sickening, so is Ron, who seems like he's still in the closet.

ChibiSango
07-23-2005, 09:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
Well now that you two have posted your strong opinions, you're probably not gonna want to come back to this thread. But the whole franchise really annoys me. The books at first seemed good, but now they feel unoriginal. The movie's are a joke, and Hermione is sickening, so is Ron, who seems like he's still in the closet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can understand what you're trying to say, believe me.
I never wanted to read the HP series. Everyone was doing it, so I didn't want to be like everyone else. I picked up Chamber of Secrets out of pure curiousity, and fell in love with the series.
You're right though, they do seem a little unoriginal, but something about it makes it unique.
The movies however, are well . . horrible, in my opinion. I prefer the books over the movies.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif And I don't like Ron at all.

MasteringTime
07-23-2005, 10:09 PM
What's annoying about that series is that some people I know think that they are intelligent for reading 'big books.' They haven't read books written by Dean Koontz...Classic author...

chimpiki
07-23-2005, 10:20 PM
totally agree with that. What also annoys me is when they rave about the special effects in the movie which have been around and which have been done better for years.

Millzoo7
07-23-2005, 10:36 PM
Potter blowz....no offence anyone.

Pr0Link
07-23-2005, 11:19 PM
I don't think reading makes you more intelligent, but smarter. You see, by reading I have achieved a lot of knowledges I use in my life everyday. And Harry Potter is one of the series that has thought me the most, seriously. There's a lot to learn from Rowling... a lot.

Oh and I love Harry Potter books.

vlad_goten
07-24-2005, 02:37 AM
well i dont like reading to much but a few ears ago a read a harry potter book and i loved it but when i saw the movie i understod better the story



::::::HARRY POTTER RUUUUULLLLZZZ:::::::::

Azard300
07-24-2005, 02:43 AM
At last!!!
someone that agree some made a topic about harry potter but it was to like him, but now someone come fourth about hateing him
i hate him i think the book are load of rubbish and so are the films
its just a kids fanasty Lord of the ring is 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000 better!

And i know some of you Harry potter lovers will be saying to me o he donn't know nothing forget him
and i respect that this is my view and thats your view but i've read and books watched the film and its not up standard!


AZARD

pop_do_not_go
07-24-2005, 03:27 AM
i agree with azard. hp sucks. BUT LOTR IS THE BEST NOVEL EVER MADE. hp lame

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Azard300
07-24-2005, 03:32 AM
Thank you Good friend

likeitsme
07-24-2005, 04:00 AM
I love the Harry Potter books because they got me reading!
But... PEOPLE PEOPLE! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif Can you HONESTLY think it fair that you're comparing Harry Potter to Lord of the Rings? I mean, they're from two different generations... Who here's read 'The God of Small Things' by Arundhathi Roy? Can you compare THAT to Lord of the Rings? NOPE. Each novel has it's own genre, and Harry Potter's a pop culture icon. Can you believe that critics thought Lord of the Rings was a COMPLETE waste when it first came out? Same with Harry Potter, and we've still got critics...
So yea, to each his own...
As for Ron, NO WAY! I thought he was funny hehe! But I guess those 'suspicions' got too high and Rowling included his relationship with Hermione just to put the 'rumours' to rest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

pop_do_not_go
07-24-2005, 04:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Azard:
Thank you Good friend </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No problem, azard. I'm waiting the lego film u are making. I bet it will be the best. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Azard300
07-24-2005, 04:19 AM
Likeitsme
HP is rubbish end off

Thanks POP_NOT_GO
check out my topic about my pop film if u woludl ike ot see soem behind the screen shot then my man is below!

likeitsme
07-24-2005, 04:23 AM
Azard
Mate, have you even READ my post? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
Each book is different.

Compare Lord of the Rings to Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea... GO!
Can't? I know why... BECAUSE THEY'RE DIFFERENT.

Thank you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

pop_do_not_go
07-24-2005, 04:31 AM
i allready visisted azard (very cool). read that bok likeitsme (20.000 leagues...)


BTW: are we off topic or are we hijacking this thread allready??? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

PeepingTom88
07-24-2005, 04:57 AM
So far I haven't seen that many convincing points of why Harry Potter sucks (HP sucks, Harry is lame, Ron is a closet ******, HP sucks...). Someone said it was a childish kid's fantasy and said LOTR was in comparison an infinite times better. Funny, 'cause I've always seen the LOTR as a kid's fantasy; the entire saga actually originates from a book which was intentionally directed for a kid audience (The Hobbit). Nothing against the LOTR, I personally think it's one of the greatest trilogies along with Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. Harry Potter is written from a perspective of a teenage boy, so you might of course expect some childish elements *slaps himself on the head*. But if you have bothered reading the last 3 books, you can tell that Rowling has set a new standard for the storytelling and has managed to actually pull off some very mature stuff which might intimidate the younger readers. Half-Blood Prince's final chapters are epic enough to match any piece of literature, even Tolkien's text. And back to why Harry Potter is such a great book series: the wizarding world Rowling has created is flawless, and hence completely believable. Everything has been taken into account, from the governing body to the common expressions such as "Merlin's beard!", to which the reader becomes so accustomed to over time, that he/she sees nothing particularly weird about it. It is as if you are following the story through Harry's perpective; during the first story, every piece of magic amazes you, but during the sixth, the knowledge of animated corpses called Inferi make you only mildly surprised. The characters are so well written, that you do feel sincere sympathy towards them. It is great to see that Rowling has seen the effort of making beliavable characters with their virtues and flaws; even Dumbledore makes mistakes once in a while. You could almost say that people who have read the books with intent passion know just about as much about Harry as the know of themselves. The best thing about the latest installment Half-Blood Prince is how the second major character, that being naturally Lord Voldemort, is brought out more as a corrupted human being than a source of pure evil. Harry Potter is all in all exciting, dead funny, dead serious and addictive as hell, which is quite a thing considering it is a book and we are living an era of electric medias. There is a reason for why the last 3 HPs are the world's most fastly sold out books. But yeah, I'd definetely like to see some more good points of why HP sucks bigtime! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Azard300
07-24-2005, 05:12 AM
Lord of the ring is better then HP
people have LOST THE PLOT http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

pop_do_not_go
07-24-2005, 05:38 AM
azard is more than right!!!

Azard300
07-24-2005, 05:42 AM
Pop_do_not_go and me are the olny ones who don't like HP Every person knows
Lord Of the rings could beat it any day any time
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

pop_do_not_go
07-24-2005, 05:45 AM
azards we aren't the only ones. the one who created this thread is a HP hater too(thank god). i forgot his name http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Azard300
07-24-2005, 05:48 AM
O yea him too lol


Ps= Pop_do_not_go do u have msn?
raza3rahkshi@hotmail.com

lascorpionne
07-24-2005, 05:50 AM
Why can't threads created for a particular book haters or for a particular game haters be 'constitued of' Haters only? I wonder why I never seen a Farah hater posting or flaming in the 'Farah Appreciation thread' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
If you love a book or a game so much don't post in the thread reserved for its haters.

likeitsme
07-24-2005, 05:50 AM
Well... I'm giving up on getting Azard to actually READ my posts, and THEN try to COUNTER them...

*breathe* To EACH his OWN...

pop_do_not_go
07-24-2005, 05:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Azard:
O yea him too lol


Ps= Pop_do_not_go do u have msn?
raza3rahkshi@hotmail.com </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

o yeah i have MSN:
kindred_blade@hotmail.com

and yahoo:
ab_vb_cb@yahoo.com

Azard300
07-24-2005, 06:04 AM
like its me i am reading your post

all im saying is LOFTR ring is better the HP is'nt this topic about HATEing potter

likeitsme
07-24-2005, 06:17 AM
chimpki said that we could talk about liking Harry Potter, by giving a reason for it too, wasn't that the first post?

Azard, it's like, someone types up TONS of info on Harry Potter, and then LOTR, and it takes effort mate. And then, you counter that ENTIRE post by just writing 'LOTR is better', without a reason WHY you think so, or WHY the points that we made aren't the same as yours... So, no offense, but it's sorta annoying typing ALL that and getting a simple 'no' in reply...
No hard feelings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Azard300
07-24-2005, 06:20 AM
Im just daying what i feel like if you read my prevois post i said i've read hp & Lftr books and i find lotr a better book in story line etc

lascorpionne
07-24-2005, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by likeitsme:
chimpki said that we could talk about liking Harry Potter, by giving a reason for it too, wasn't that the first post? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmm... you're right when it comes to this thread in particular. Let me eat my words.

likeitsme
07-24-2005, 06:29 AM
And I said that it can't be reduced to good/bad comparisions because LOTR and HP are from different eras.
Just like you can't compare 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (a book written before LOTR) with LOTR. Or comparing the Bible to a Batman comic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif It just ain't fair, they use different english, different people, different situations. AND the story is different, not better.
LOTR is an epic adventure, HP is more mystery adventure. They're different. Not comparable.
If you compare HP with that Artemis Fowl series, it's probably be more fair, as they're both almost dealing with similar subjects and have been written in the same decade.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Azard300
07-24-2005, 06:36 AM
Ok lets finish this war?ok
you like harry potter i like loftr end off

im going now bye

UnDead_Knight1
07-24-2005, 07:42 AM
I personally think HP is a good book, but still I prefer LotR is way better, will atleast it's my favorite book

FCY-ETC
07-24-2005, 07:48 AM
Look, it's been said 100 times: you can't compare those books. So could everyone please stop using argumens like "HP sucks!!" and "LoTR is so much better" It just doesn't make sense. I have nothing against a good discussion , in fact, I quite enjoy them, but you could at least all try to use a decent argumentation to support your PoV.

Tristan_129
07-24-2005, 07:51 AM
Pov?

UnDead_Knight1
07-24-2005, 07:53 AM
PoV=Point of View

FCY-ETC
07-24-2005, 07:58 AM
Thanks Undead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

vlad_goten
07-24-2005, 08:45 AM
harry potter rulez reading sucks



ANY QUESTIONS???? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PeepingTom88
07-24-2005, 08:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lascorpionne:
Why can't threads created for a particular book haters or for a particular game haters be 'constitued of' Haters only? I wonder why I never seen a Farah hater posting or flaming in the 'Farah Appreciation thread' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
If you love a book or a game so much don't post in the thread reserved for its haters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because it's a public forum which has been created for the exchange of different ideas. It would be very dull to have just one opinion in a discussion, wouldn't you agree? Besides, when someone decides to diss something as big as Harry Potter, you are bound to have differentiating opinions.

It would be interesting to know how many books have these Potter haters actually read? It sounds like arguments are based on perhaps a single movie they happened to have seen off TV accidentally. Or does the hate emanate from the pure fact that Harry Potter is one of, or perhaps THE, world's most successful pop-culture phenomena?

FCY-ETC
07-24-2005, 08:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vlad_goten:
harry potter rulez reading sucks



ANY QUESTIONS???? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah: did you not read my post or did you decide to just ignore it? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

This isn't a valid argument, because you have no proof to support what you're saying. But you are entitled to your opinion I guess.

Marek86
07-24-2005, 09:34 AM
Harry Potter isn't lame! He is an awesome character, he has courage, he's smart, sense of humor, and couragess, I mean what really cool characters aren't like that. Aragorn, Obi-wan-kenobi, Indiana jones, Bruce wayne, Tom algren, Frank T. Hopkins, I could have an endless list, but I'm saying those are the characteristics that people love in characters. And the plots are also great, especially the twists that are tied into the book. Ok I admit harry potter isn't the best series of books i've read but they are on my top ten. And another thing that's really cool is imagining you are one of these characters, or you are with them, I mean wouldn't it be really cool to go to a wizardring school, learn how to cast spells, and be in that huge castle with good friends, then you wake up every morning and have a nice breakfast, and just imagine dinner. Or think of being in a quidditch game on a broom going like 80, 90, possibly 100 mph! Or battling magical creatures and and being like the coolest guy or most respected in the school. Lucky for you i'm gonna eat breakfast now cause I could keep on going about this for hours! And did you guys know that LOTR and HP have quite a lot in common?

http://www.mugglenet.com/funlists/hpvslotr.shtml

Pr0Link
07-24-2005, 11:21 AM
Harry Potter as a character is very accurate, meaning that if you think he's lame, then a teenage is lame too. Seriously, Rowling has developed the characters almost flawlessly.

As for the books being lame, I doubt someone that has at least read the first three books can said that. You cannot judge it based on the movies. And yes, you cannot really compare LOTR and HP, they're different. And remember that Narnia was before... and Narnia is one of the greatest series.

*sigh* As for the people saying that children's literature suck, I'll just quote one of my all time favorite authors.

"By the time we finish The Order of the Phoenix, with its extraordinary passages of fear and despair, the distinction between children's literature and plain old literature has ceased to exist... This is one series not just for the decade, but for the ages. ~ Stephen King

OH_DragonBoy
07-24-2005, 12:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
Who else here thinks Harry Potter is the laimest guy in the world, him and his only two loser friends?

If anyone wants to defend Harry, be my guest and plead your case. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Books or the movies? The movies suck big time. The books are getting steadily worse, but started off pretty good.

pillaysteven
07-24-2005, 01:08 PM
I totally disagree. They have gotten far better as the series has progressed. I think the movies are much more childish than the books are and I don't like them at all.

I read a long time before Harry Potter came out but they are still one of my favourite series. They are the books I have reread most out of any other.

And all you LOTR fans. I honestly liked the LOTR books but sruggled to get through them. Try reading my favourite series. You won't be disappointed. The series is called The Farseer Trilogy which is directly followed by the Tawny Man trilogy by Robin Hobb. They are really excellent books. Much older than the HP books.

A lot of people say they hate Harry Potter. One reason is that they saw the films before reading the books. The films are not nearly as good as the books and they really lower people's opinion of the series.

How can you have an opinion on books if you haven't read them. If you read the books and don't like them that's OK. I would be surprised if you didn't like them after reading them but that's just me. But don't just throw out an ignorant opinion just because you think they are childish books. If they were so childish why would they print adult edition of all the novels.

Overall I think most of whom say they hate Harry Potter have not read the books and so their opinions on this topic in my opinion are worthless.

vlad_goten
07-24-2005, 01:10 PM
the people should se the movie not read the book

lascorpionne
07-24-2005, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PeepingTom88:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lascorpionne:
Why can't threads created for a particular book haters or for a particular game haters be 'constitued of' Haters only? I wonder why I never seen a Farah hater posting or flaming in the 'Farah Appreciation thread' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
If you love a book or a game so much don't post in the thread reserved for its haters. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Because it's a public forum which has been created for the exchange of different ideas. It would be very dull to have just one opinion in a discussion, wouldn't you agree? Besides, when someone decides to diss something as big as Harry Potter, you are bound to have differentiating opinions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know THIS is a public forum that had been created for the exchange of different ideas. NO NEED to remind me that. However, there are some threads created for people who don't particular like a book, a character of a serie or a game so they can share their dislike with others who feel the same. I stated earlier i made a mistake about this particular thread since the author has allowed the HP fans to argue his statement.
I've noticed another thread that was started only for members who particular hated WW and most of the replies were posted by WW lovers. Hence my question. It was a way for me to say that if you love WW that much, don't post in a thread that clearly states 'discussion for people who think the game is pittyful'; if you hate Farah, don't post in the Farah appreciation thread, if you hate Star wars and think the movie sucks, don't post in the Star Wars Fans thread, create your thread instead in which you can discuss your hatred of the movie with only those who share your Point of view.

Oh, i can't be bothered to write some more...

pillaysteven
07-24-2005, 01:28 PM
I really wish people would explain their opinions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vlad_goten:
the people should se the movie not read the book </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think this vlad_goten? Have you read the books?

likeitsme
07-24-2005, 09:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pr0Link:
Harry Potter as a character is very accurate, meaning that if you think he's lame, then a teenage is lame too. Seriously, Rowling has developed the characters almost flawlessly.

As for the books being lame, I doubt someone that has at least read the first three books can said that. You cannot judge it based on the movies. And yes, you cannot really compare LOTR and HP, they're different. And remember that Narnia was before... and Narnia is one of the greatest series.

*sigh* As for the people saying that children's literature suck, I'll just quote one of my all time favorite authors.

"By the time we finish The Order of the Phoenix, with its extraordinary passages of fear and despair, the distinction between children's literature and plain old literature has ceased to exist... This is one series not just for the decade, but for the ages. ~ Stephen King </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd forgotten about that quote... It was so nice... Yup, Stephen King is right... I don't think there's much of a difference now whether HP is for kids or adults... I'm 19, and I love 'em! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pr0Link
07-24-2005, 09:19 PM
Yeah, I'm glad King has joined the Potter's fan group http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Did you know he take some elements from HP for The Dark Tower series? Yes, he started writing that series in 1971 I think but he just finished it and he mentions Harry Potter sometimes.

Sea_Maiden
07-24-2005, 09:55 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the series, mahself...just not my cup of tea for some reason?

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 01:18 PM
Haven't been on my computer for awhile. So I missed out on a lot of stuff. But so far I'm just reading a lot about "don't compare Harry Potter to LOTR", well I only mentioned Lord of the Rings because she takes a LOT of ideas from it. Just think about it for five minutes and you'll probably see them too. The reason I don't like the movies is because they chose to simply throw a bunch of cr@ppy special effects in there for a cheap price, so that they could make more money off of unfortunate parents whose kids will no doubt be dazzled by these special effects because they're still dazzled when they find pennies on the ground.

Proktheblade
07-25-2005, 01:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
Haven't been on my computer for awhile. So I missed out on a lot of stuff. But so far I'm just reading a lot about "don't compare Harry Potter to LOTR", well I only mentioned Lord of the Rings because she takes a LOT of ideas from it. Just think about it for five minutes and you'll probably see them too. The reason I don't like the movies is because they chose to simply throw a bunch of cr@ppy special effects in there for a cheap price, so that they could make more money off of unfortunate parents whose kids will no doubt be dazzled by these special effects because they're still dazzled when they find pennies on the ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Everything in some way or another takes ideas from LoTR. Its the original magic/dragons/elf/fantasy novel. Its the mold for the genre. Its not different than PoP and Arabian Nights.

Marek86
07-25-2005, 01:34 PM
Actually your wrong. Magic in harry potter is conjured from a wand with a latin incantation. Dragons, omg, lots of fantasy movies have dragons in them, elves, Tolkien didn't make them up there free to use so why not, and the elves in both have very big differences. I have nothing against lord of the rings but you have to admit not all of tolkien's ideas where original. Harry Potter and LOTR have lots in common but it doesn't mean Rowling took all of her ideas from tolkien.

UnDead_Knight1
07-25-2005, 03:05 PM
the ideas in a book don't need to be original for the book to be successful, it's the way they are used that determine how good the book is, all writers are influenced by smething, take Tolkien for example, he was influenced a lot by the Qadisiya war (between the muslim and sasanian empire) when he used the Oliphants

Marek86
07-25-2005, 03:07 PM
Yeah the book doesn't have to be unique it all depends on how you use it, well said undead.

SandWarrior1
07-25-2005, 03:22 PM
I hate harry potter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif Never read the books and never seen the movies and I never will.

UnDead_Knight1
07-25-2005, 03:27 PM
@marek86: thanks dude

@SandWarrior1: it's your lost

vlad_goten
07-25-2005, 03:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pillaysteven:
I really wish people would explain their opinions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vlad_goten:
the people should se the movie not read the book </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why do you think this vlad_goten? Have you read the books? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


i read the books but they are boring. Its better to se the movie in 2 h besides reading the books can take days

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marek86:
Actually your wrong. Magic in harry potter is conjured from a wand with a latin incantation. Dragons, omg, lots of fantasy movies have dragons in them, elves, Tolkien didn't make them up there free to use so why not, and the elves in both have very big differences. I have nothing against lord of the rings but you have to admit not all of tolkien's ideas where original. Harry Potter and LOTR have lots in common but it doesn't mean Rowling took all of her ideas from tolkien. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This may be true, but I assume since Rowling got a say in the all British cast, she also looks over some of the conceptual art done by the moviemakers. And the troll definately shares a HUGE resemblance with the troll in Harry Potter, as do the dementors with the ringwraiths, you must admit that the ringwraiths are purely tolkien. The Whomping Willow is like a cousin of the Entz, and a giant arachnid in the chamber of secrets is very much like Shelob from Lord of the Rings.

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 07:36 PM
Another thing that really annoys me about the movies is the phrase "Something wicked this way comes". It makes no grammatical sense, it should be "something wicked comes this way". I also hate the constant use of the word "Brilliant" and "Bloody". Okay, you're British, we get it already.

Proktheblade
07-25-2005, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Marek86:
Actually your wrong. Magic in harry potter is conjured from a wand with a latin incantation. Dragons, omg, lots of fantasy movies have dragons in them, elves, Tolkien didn't make them up there free to use so why not, and the elves in both have very big differences. I have nothing against lord of the rings but you have to admit not all of tolkien's ideas where original. Harry Potter and LOTR have lots in common but it doesn't mean Rowling took all of her ideas from tolkien. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>This may be true, but I assume since Rowling got a say in the all British cast, she also looks over some of the conceptual art done by the moviemakers. And the troll definately shares a HUGE resemblance with the troll in Harry Potter, as do the dementors with the ringwraiths, you must admit that the ringwraiths are purely tolkien. The Whomping Willow is like a cousin of the Entz, and a giant arachnid in the chamber of secrets is very much like Shelob from Lord of the Rings. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These are pretty vague examples. The first ones are are just plays on wraiths. Which have been around a lot longer than tolkien. The only real comparrisons between the willow and entz are that they are trees that can move. And giant spiders really isnt that orgincal on either part.

Proktheblade
07-25-2005, 07:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
Another thing that really annoys me about the movies is the phrase "Something wicked this way comes". It makes no grammatical sense, it should be "something wicked comes this way". I also hate the constant use of the word "Brilliant" and "Bloody". Okay, you're British, we get it already. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Something wicked this way comes is a pretty old phrase. Oh and thats how briitsh people talk.

Pr0Link
07-25-2005, 07:49 PM
And remember that CS Lewis came up with walking trees before Tolkien. And how can anyone hate something they have never seen? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

And "Something wicked this way comes" is very old indeed. Cuaron just decided to use it to promote POA.

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 09:21 PM
Look, I don't mean to offend the British, and though C.S. Lewis mentioned talking trees,they did not move, and I am a fan of C.S. Lewis. Apparently he an Tolkien were friends and often shared ideas. My point is, and what frustrates me most is that all reviews and articles rave about how she creates a magical wondrous world. As far as I can see she's just improved on our own world by adding already existing creatures and ideas into it. My other point is that the woman seems to be trying to set a world record for most pages in a book ever, the order of the phoenix in particular had at least two hundred pages that could have been taken out and cast into a fireplace, and no one would ever notice the difference. I realise that my opinion differs from the millions who bought the book on the day it came out, and that there are more people who like Harry Potter than hate him. But when asked if I like Harry Potter and I say no, people always protest with me, so I just wanted a place where I could let it all out and see if anyone else hated it too. And honestly, you have to admit though it's old, "something wicked this way comes" who came up with this anyways?

Proktheblade
07-25-2005, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
Look, I don't mean to offend the British, and though C.S. Lewis mentioned talking trees,they did not move, and I am a fan of C.S. Lewis. Apparently he an Tolkien were friends and often shared ideas. My point is, and what frustrates me most is that all reviews and articles rave about how she creates a magical wondrous world. As far as I can see she's just improved on our own world by adding already existing creatures and ideas into it. My other point is that the woman seems to be trying to set a world record for most pages in a book ever, the order of the phoenix in particular had at least two hundred pages that could have been taken out and cast into a fireplace, and no one would ever notice the difference. I realise that my opinion differs from the millions who bought the book on the day it came out, and that there are more people who like Harry Potter than hate him. But when asked if I like Harry Potter and I say no, people always protest with me, so I just wanted a place where I could let it all out and see if anyone else hated it too. And honestly, you have to admit though it's old, "something wicked this way comes" who came up with this anyways? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont have a problem with you not liking it, it just seems you are looking for reasons to hate it. And it also seeem you are trying to prove us that it sucks. If the tree in C.S. lewis book doesnt count as cause it talks and doesnt walk then how come the willow does when it niether talks or walks. its just moves it braches and eats cars?

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 10:27 PM
The Whomping Willow is clearly living and it does move, it clearly has feelings as well. I am not looking for reasons to hate it, the reasons are simply there. I'm not trying to convince you that it sucks, that's impossible, I'm just expressing my opinions on the franchise, read the title of the thread, I'm also looking for people who agree, we are a select few it seems.

Proktheblade
07-25-2005, 10:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
The Whomping Willow is clearly living and it does move, it clearly has feelings as well. I am not looking for reasons to hate it, the reasons are simply there. I'm not trying to convince you that it sucks, that's impossible, I'm just expressing my opinions on the franchise, read the title of the thread, I'm also looking for people who agree, we are a select few it seems. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The weeping willow gets up and walks around? CAuse last i checked it didnt. Does it go around and tend all the trees in the forest? Does it help little people fight evil wizards?

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 10:34 PM
Excuse me, last I checked it destroys cars with its branches, does something have to walk and tend to a forest to move?

Proktheblade
07-25-2005, 10:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
Excuse me, last I checked it destroys cars with its branches, does something have to walk and tend to a forest to move? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually it ate the care. And to be considered an ent ripoff, yes. It has to walk and tend to a forest to be considered ent movement.

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 10:47 PM
Obviously you cannot have it exactly the same. Cars for example, you can tell when a Honda is trying to emulate features of a BMW, but they can't do it exactly. If you're gonna get down to the last detail then you'd also have to argue that unless it is called and "Ent" it can't be considered a ripoff. Just as Troy is a ripoff of "Troy" and "King Arthur" are ripoffs of eachother.

Proktheblade
07-25-2005, 10:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chimpiki:
Obviously you cannot have it exactly the same. Cars for example, you can tell when a Honda is trying to emulate features of a BMW, but they can't do it exactly. If you're gonna get down to the last detail then you'd also have to argue that unless it is called and "Ent" it can't be considered a ripoff. Just as Troy is a ripoff of "Troy" and "King Arthur" are ripoffs of eachother. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A treant is a rip off a ent no matter what you call it. But the whole idea behind walking talking guardians are a lot older than tolkien anyway. Ye old english druids talked about such thing in their religon. They were even used in ghost stories to scare young irish children so many years ago.

chimpiki
07-25-2005, 11:03 PM
Can we agree to disagree, because this is going nowhere, no one else is getting into this thread, it's just between you and me, who are we trying to convince?

walid100
07-26-2005, 03:24 AM
What is Harry potter? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

chimpiki
07-26-2005, 03:25 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

prince_pk
07-28-2005, 10:28 AM
What can i say??? I simply LOVE Harry Potter series.

prince_pk
07-28-2005, 10:32 AM
Its WHOMPING willow not weeping willow if im right.

UnDead_Knight1
07-28-2005, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by walid100:
What is Harry potter? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Harry Potter is a series of books released by JK Rowling

@chimpiki&Proktheblade: don't fight about ripoffs, it's like I said earlier, no author has completely original ideas, it's the way they use the ideas that makes their books original, and interesting

BTW I like Harry Potter, but my favorite book is Lord of the Rings