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Trinity_Jay
04-24-2008, 09:05 AM
S!

I have an interview with Capt. Eric "Winkle" Brown planned in two weeks' time. I plan to ask him a series of questions on the various aircraft that he evaluated. If you have a question or two, feel free to pitch them and I'd be delighted to ask them to Mr Brown.

Cheers,

Jay aka CPS_Bulldog

Wildnoob
04-24-2008, 09:19 AM
I have a question, if you could ask to me, I'll express my gratitude.

how complex was to level up a figther aircraft and fly it on cruize ?

with my current default controls, it's very difficult to set the variometer neutral for cruize fligth. wat happen is that I are always with the nose positive or negative, it's very hard to set it neutral.

I wish to know if was in fact so much complex in real life. I see a lot of real aircraft videos and get to the conclusion that can't be so hard.

how hard is to level up a plane for cruize fligth, that's my question.

I gonna mess with my control configuration soon, and maybe will solve this problem, but would like to know this anyway.

thanks for your attention and for give us this oportunity. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Trinity_Jay
04-24-2008, 09:30 AM
Sure thing, mate: it's a pleasure. We're all part of the community that we love taking part in. Also, this is part of the flight sim book I am working on as editor.

Could you make it a little clearer for me when you refer to "level up"?

Cheers,

CPS_Bulldog

JG52Uther
04-24-2008, 09:33 AM
Cool TJ! If you could ask him this question:
In his opinion,were the German aircraft he evaluated in general more or less advanced than allied aircraft?

Wildnoob
04-24-2008, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by Trinity_Jay:
Could you make it a little clearer for me when you refer to "level up"?

damm, sorry.

I use the incorrect word, my english is very poor and I make confusion.

gonna try be more clear now.

in IL2, I found that's very difficult make cruize fligth at determined altitude. for example, I want climb to 5000 meters and head for the vector X. the problem I found is when I reach the altitude I want, 5000 meters on the example, I found very difficult to maintein this altitude, even adjusting elevator trim and making all the necessary procedures. wat happen is the altimeter starts to climbing or down, and never stay neutral.

to be more simple, just ask him : "it was hard to maintein an altitude for cruize fligth with WWII figthers ?"

I just wish to know if was a complex procedure or not.

guess that was that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Trinity_Jay
04-24-2008, 09:54 AM
That's clear, gentlemen! And will ask.

Anything else, good people?

CPS_Bulldog

Wildnoob
04-24-2008, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by Trinity_Jay:
That's clear, gentlemen! And will ask.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

thank you very much.

you are a editor ?

OMG, dude, you can't imagine how it's a honor to be able to talk with you.

Trinity_Jay
04-24-2008, 10:16 AM
Yeah, I edit WW2 books for a UK company, which is cool! I was editor of New Line Cinema horror novels (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Butterfly Effect, Blade: Trinity) and 2000AD novels. I also write for movie and videogame mags: SFX, Total Film, Fangoria, Xbox360, Retrogamer.

Now working on a book dedicated to Japanese X-planes of WW2. Nice!

CPS_Bulldog

Jaws2002
04-24-2008, 10:35 AM
Thank you TJ for doing this. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif MR. Brown is one of the most experienced pilots alive when it comes to WW2 fighters.

If is possible I have one question.

During the normal combat maneuvers and normal combat, aircraft behave diferently. Some pull to the left, some to the right, some tend to nose over and so on. Also planes react diferently when changing speed and throtle settings.
Culd you please ask Mr. Brown how did the ww2 fighters he flew compared in this respect. How hard was to keep the ball centered during combat. Would be interesting to hear how the usual suspects ( Spitfire, Mustang, FW-190, Corsair, Me-109, Tempest) compared against eachother in this respect.
Thank you.

JtD
04-24-2008, 10:47 AM
From me, first tell him S!. I'm always impressed by the number and variety of planes he flew. To me he is one of the greatest (test) pilots of all time.

Maybe he can give a little detail on how flight test data, say speed and climb figures, were acquired/logged back in these days? Did they use the cockpit instruments for that? Did the pilot read the gauges?

Wildnoob
04-24-2008, 11:00 AM
sorry for my lack of knowledge, but can somebody tell me a summary about capt. Eric Brown ?

by wat I've understand about the members talking, he flow with many WWII aircraft.

cool, my doubth about level fligth will be answered by a truth and actually specialist. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Metatron_123
04-24-2008, 11:17 AM
What were his personal favorite fighters from each nationality during WW2, overall favorite from WW2, and his favorite of all time, and why. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Looking forward to your post after the interview!
Is it perhaps possible to record it?

stalkervision
04-24-2008, 11:21 AM
ask him if he ever flew any yak fighters and what did he think of them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Heliopause
04-24-2008, 11:23 AM
Great that you're going to see this man! Don't forget the camera!
It's difficult to come up with a good question(s). You could ask hundreds I quess, he must have answered thousands already. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-He flew the Me 163 one time I believe. Maybe he can tell something about that moment.

-When was his first jet-flight? and what type was it?

-He spoke with Kurt Tank after the war( he speaks a bit of german if i'm not mistaken), must have been some stories they shared. Perhaps some details?

X32Wright
04-24-2008, 01:32 PM
Maybe specifically ask about his impressions of the Me262 vs P-51D. I know he flew both.

Trinity_Jay
04-24-2008, 01:48 PM
That's great and thank you - do keep them coming. I shall take my camera as well as record the conversation. I shall keep you all in the loop. Another interest for me is that he tested the flight models in IL-2.

An amazing man. And a thrill for me today when he called me in the office...

Wildnoob
04-24-2008, 04:59 PM
Trinity_Jay, I would sugest that you open another topic with the ansewers he will give you. at least the most important ones.

really, if you could, would be a great friend hand to hear a real pilot opinion about trim a WWII figther for level fligth. I are looking for this info with accuracy already long ago. people here already help me a lot, but a real pilot opinion would the climax.

PS : I hope my question would be important. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Aaron_GT
04-24-2008, 05:29 PM
how about: "plane, or pilot?"

MB_Avro_UK
04-24-2008, 05:35 PM
What was the procedure with flying a captured enemy plane? I presume there were no pilot's notes etc.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Schwarz.13
04-24-2008, 05:36 PM
Hallo Trinity_Jay

Could you please ask him:

Of all the WWII warbirds he flew & tested, which ONE would he have had the most confidence to go to war in (regarding all factors - performance, armament, visibility, safety etc.)???

and please let us know as soon as Air Combat Manoeuvres (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4191006056?r=4191006056#4191006056) becomes available!

Much appreciated http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG14_Josf
04-24-2008, 06:18 PM
Could a contemporary Fw190A stay and fight with a Spitfire or would the Fw190A have to rely upon surprise bounces, hit and run and team tactics to fight Spitfires?

Could the Fw190 gain relative energy during vertical dives, pull outs, and vertical zoom climbs in combat against the Spitfire?

Example:

Fw190A-3 (de-rated or non-de-rated)

versus

Spitfire VB (June 1942)

Were the Fw190A-3 aircraft typically de-rated and how much did de-rating effect combat effectiveness?

If an Fw190A-4 fighter version and a Spitfire VB were taking off on the runway side by side how much difference in time and distance would be their take-off runs?

WOLFMondo
04-25-2008, 03:04 AM
Some of the questions asked here can be easily answered by reading a few of his books http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

KRISTORF
04-25-2008, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Wildnoob:
sorry for my lack of knowledge, but can somebody tell me a summary about capt. Eric Brown ?

by wat I've understand about the members talking, he flow with many WWII aircraft.

cool, my doubth about level fligth will be answered by a truth and actually specialist. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt Eric 'Winkle' Brown was a Royal Navy pilot during WWII, he flew from the first converted merchant ships made into a carrier, specifically for convoy escorts.
He shot down two Condors while flying a Martlet (both head on attacks).
After the convoy duty he became a test pilot (still in the Navy) and flew just about every (Western) Allied aircraft of WWII, as well as most German and Italian variants, both fighter, bomber and jet.
He made the first (pure) jet aircraft landing on a carrier, helped in the developement of catapult technology etc.

I think he is, or was the holder of the record for the most types of arcraft flown (487 types, not including variants such as the Spitfire Vb, IX etc), also the most number of carrier 'traps' made.
His book, Wings on my Sleeve, is a great read and throws a differant light onto early test flight life.

R_Target
04-25-2008, 04:25 AM
Capt. Brown logged time in the F6F while in the RN, and preferred it to the F4U. Could you please ask him how quickly directional oscillations damp out after a full rudder deflection in each of these two planes?

Also, as Mondo noted, many of these "who wuz da best?" questions are covered in Brown's books, and even some web resources.

Charlielamb
04-25-2008, 06:23 AM
A few questions spring to mind:-

What does Eric fly now ? After all those hours does he still enjoy it ?

What was going through his mind as he lined up the Vampire Jet to land on an aircraft Carrier ?
(this is almost certainly covered in his books already but its worth asking again, the memory is a strange thing)

A jet powered float fighter project was cancelled after Eric hit some floating debris...how big a role did 'happenstance' play in the development of aircraft in Eric's view ?

Is he religious ?

I believe Eric and a couple of other pilots tested almost every British war plane that came off the production line, where there big differences between identical models?

In the circumstances did they pass aircraft that they would rather not ? (war necessitates less than perfection sometimes)

cawimmer430
04-25-2008, 06:29 AM
Awesome! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif


He flew the Junkers Ju-87 STUKA after the war. Would you be so kind and ask him what he thought about that aircraft in general.

And how it flew: the responsiveness and what it was like divebombing at 600 km/h+ (which I believe he tried in the Ju-87 after the war).


Thanks! You're the man! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WOLFMondo
04-25-2008, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Metatron_123:
What were his personal favorite fighters from each nationality during WW2, overall favorite from WW2, and his favorite of all time, and why. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Looking forward to your post after the interview!
Is it perhaps possible to record it?

From Wings on My sleeve he states his favorite prop plane was the Dehavilland Hornet and his favorite jet was the F86E. He also mentions about 20 other notable planes and why including the Ki84, 190D etc.


Originally posted by Charlielamb:
A few questions spring to mind:-

What does Eric fly now ? After all those hours does he still enjoy it ?


He handed in his license some time ago.

JG14_Josf
04-25-2008, 10:28 AM
Some of the questions asked here can be easily answered by reading a few of his books

Wings of the Luftwaffe (http://www.amazon.com/Wings-Luftwaffe-Capt-E-Brown/dp/1853104132)

I've read that one.

I would like to have my questions asked, please, if that is at all possible. Thanks.

Xiolablu3
04-25-2008, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by JG14_Josf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Some of the questions asked here can be easily answered by reading a few of his books

Wings of the Luftwaffe (http://www.amazon.com/Wings-Luftwaffe-Capt-E-Brown/dp/1853104132)

I've read that one.

I would like to have my questions asked, please, if that is at all possible. Thanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


How would you rate that book Josf?

I have read 'Wings on my Sleeve' which was [retty good, but not as good as some other books I have read such as 'The Big Show' or 'Johnny Johnsons 'Wing Leader'.

JG14_Josf
04-25-2008, 04:32 PM
How would you rate that book Josf?

The book is excellent. It is as valuable as any other WWII aircraft book I own for unique reasons as well as competitive reasons.

Here is a competitor:

On Special Missions (http://www.amazon.com/Special-Missions-Luftwaffes-Experimental-Squadrons/dp/1903223334)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51FXV04R2NL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

That book also reports on performance evaluation of captured aircraft in WWII. Both have their relative strong and weak points.

M_Gunz
04-25-2008, 06:17 PM
Could you ask him about the British testing of captured 109's?
In particular if in turn testing at speeds where possible they flew with slats open or not?
This has been debated and has been speculated or claimed that did not fly the tightest possible.

Also please, about use of trim; if the British pilots used trim even during combat.
Bud Anderson wrote that he did as common practice like tuning a radio while driving but that was
in P-51 with the trim wheels of that plane.
Perhaps we can learn much more than the short paragraph and other mentions we have so far.

Like everyone else, I am looking forward to anything he feels like saying. I hope the Q&A is as
unambiguous as possible so the truth doesn't get interpreted out over the next few years by the
usual crew of revisionists.

Maybe something about high speed dives too! How done in combat versus tests, one plane leaving
another and how really fast, how important the exit maneuver and/or separation at the start was
to achieve escape by diving and what else was critical?

So many questions, I wonder if they will make sense to him? He speaks pilotese, not gamer!

Trinity_Jay
04-26-2008, 07:20 AM
Will do and thank you!

On Special Missions is a mighty fine book and one that my company published.

Jay

MrBlueSky1960
04-26-2008, 10:11 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

When Capt. Eric Brown started evaluating aircraft, one of the earliest he tested was none other than the Westland Whirlwind... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Could you ask him if it was as bad as he reported or was he just being a tad over (#######) 'zealous' in his new career... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I would be very interested in his opinion and if it had changed at all in the fulness of time... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Regards

Mr BlueSky

Schwarz.13
04-26-2008, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

When Capt. Eric Brown started evaluating aircraft, one of the earliest he tested was none other than the Westland Whirlwind... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Could you ask him if it was as bad as he reported or was he just being a tad over jealous in his new career... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I would be very interested in his opinion and if it had changed at all in the fulness of time... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Regards

Mr BlueSky

Don't you mean zealous? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

MrBlueSky1960
04-27-2008, 03:05 AM
Originally posted by Schwarz.13:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MrBlueSky1960:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

When Capt. Eric Brown started evaluating aircraft, one of the earliest he tested was none other than the Westland Whirlwind... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Could you ask him if it was as bad as he reported or was he just being a tad over jealous in his new career... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I would be very interested in his opinion and if it had changed at all in the fulness of time... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Regards

Mr BlueSky

Don't you mean zealous? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

See this is the start of what happens when you start to get near your sell by date... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Jealous, well he might have been... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Farran1966
04-28-2008, 04:03 AM
Hello,

I have a question that I would like to ask Captain Brown.

I would like to know if he will be making any public appearances this year, be it at air shows or elsewhere in the UK, as I would love him to sign the copies of his books that I own and be able to shake his hand.

I missed him at last years Flying Legends at Duxford and was very disappointed that I missed a chance to meet the great man himself.

That's it.

Many thanks

general_kalle
04-28-2008, 09:17 AM
i haveen't heard of this guy but i have one question.

if he have flown the FW190.

Was it a horrible turner as in our game or was it in fact ok?
better or worse than the Me109?
better or worse than the P51?

Regards, your fellow Squad mate.

Xiolablu3
04-28-2008, 09:49 AM
He is quite an expert on the Fw190, I believe so he should be able to answer those questions.

IIRC he test flew the captured Luftwaffe planes and gave the various merits and faults of each.

M_Gunz
04-28-2008, 10:53 AM
Better yet might be to get additional comments from him about maneuverability.
Find out what, when and why he puts value in turn or anything else.

EDIT: It occurs to me that Trinity_Jay has probably read all of Capt Brown's books.
He is in a position to ask for clarifications on answers already presented in those.

Viper2005_
04-28-2008, 03:16 PM
I would suggest two questions:

1) I would ask if there is any central source from whence copies of Brown's original flight test reports might be obtained.

2) Since most of us are unlikely to fly an exotic warbird, yet many of us have flown light aircraft which Brown has also flown, it would be very interesting for "calibration purposes" to hear what he has to say about the characteristics of such an aeroplane. The Cessna 150 springs to mind as an obvious example as it's pretty ubiquitous. Personally the only WWII type I've flown thusfar is the Stearman Caydet, so I'd also be interested in hearing his views on its flight characteristics; though as it's less ubiquitous these days that would be less useful for everybody else..

///

To minimise wastage of precious interview time, I would suggest that as many of the questions posted as possible should be answered directly from quotation of Brown's published works (Wings on my Sleeve, Wings of the Luftwaffe, Wings of the Weird & Wonderful 1 & 2); this may lead to further alternative questions being posed.

I shall do my best to contribute to this process by quoting relevant passages from his books.

I'll start by quoting Appendix I of the 2006 Edition of "WINGS ON MY SLEEVE" which lists the types of aeroplane he has flown. In order to save space, I shall modify the format somewhat...


APPENDIX I
Aircraft types flown

This list includes all the aircraft flown by Eric Brown. It was produced and checked for the Guiness Book of Records and is comprised of 'basic' types - not marks or models, e.g. Eric Brown flew fourteen marks of Spitfire, but there is only one entry for Spitfire.

<span class="ev_code_red">A</span>
Aeronica Grasshopper/ /Aerospatiale Alouette/ /Aerospatiale Ecureuil/ /Aerospatiale Twin Squirrel/ /Augusta 109/ /Aichi Val/ /Airspeed Ambassador/ /Airspeed Envoy/ /Airspeed Horsa/ /Airspeed Oxford/ /Arado 96B/ /Arado 196A/ /Arado 199/ /Arado 232B/ /Arado 234B/ /Arado 240/ /Armstrong Whitworth Albermarle/ /Armstrong Whitworth Whitley/ /Auster Aiglet/ /Avro Anson/ /Avro Athena/ /Avro Lancaster/ /Avro Lancastrian/ /Avro Lincoln/ /Avro Manchester/ /Avro Shackleton/ /Avro Tudor/ /Avro Tutor/ /Avro York

<span class="ev_code_red">B</span>
B.A. Swallow/ /B.Ae 125/ /B.Ae 146/ /B.Ae Hawk/ /BAC Lightning/ /Baynes Carrier Wing/ /Beagle B.206/ /Beagle Pup/ /Beech Baron/ /Beech Bonanza/ /Beech Super King Air/ /Beech Traveller/ /Beechcraft Expediter/ /Bell AH-1 Huey/ /Bell 47/ /Bell 204/ /Bell 222/ /Bell Airacobra/ /Bell Airacomet/ /Bell HTL-5/ /Bell Jet Ranger/ /Bell King Cobra/ /Bell Long Ranger/ /Blackburn Beverley/ /Blackburn Botha/ /Blackburn Buccaneer/ /Blackburn Firebrand/ /Blackburn Firecrest/ /Blackburn Roc/ /Blackburn Shark/ /Blackburn Skua/ /Blohm & Voss 138/ /Blohm & Voss 141B/ /Blohm & Voss 222 Wiking/ /Boeing Fortress/ /Boeing Superfortress/ /Boeing Vertol Chinook/ /Boulton Paul Defiant/ /Boulton Paul P.108/ /Boulton Paul Sea Balliol/ /Brantly B-2/ /Bréguet Alizé/ /Bréguet Atlantic/ /Brewster Buffalo/ /Bristol Beaufighter/ /Bristol Beaufort/ /Bristol Blenheim/ /Bristol Bombay/ /Bristol Brigand/ /Bristol Britannia/ /Bristol Buckingham/ /Bristol Bulldog/ /Bristol Freighter/ /Bristol Sycamore/ /Britten-Norman Islander/ /Bücker Bestmann/ /Bücker Jungmann/ /Bücker Jungmeister/ /Bücker Student

<span class="ev_code_red">C</span>
Cant Z1007/ /Caprioni 309/ /Caprioni 311/ /Caprioni Ca 135 bis/ /Cessna 150/ /Cessna Cardinal/ /Cessna Skymaster/ /Cessna Skywagon/ /Chance-Vought Corsair/ /Chance-Vought Cutlass/ /Chilton D.W.1/ /Chrislea Ace/ /Comper Swift/ /Consolidated Catalina/ /Consolidated Liberator/ /Consolidated Vultee Privateer/ /Convair 240-5/ /Curtiss Commando/ /Curtiss Helldiver/ /Curtiss Kittyhawk/ /Curtiss Mohawk/ /Curtiss Seamew/ /Curtiss Tomahawk

<span class="ev_code_red">D</span>
Dassault Étendard/ /Dassault Mirage/ /Dassault Mystère/ /De Havilland 86B/ /De Havilland Beaver/ /De Havilland Chipmunk/ /De Havilland Comet/ /De Havilland Devon/ /De Havilland Don/ /De Havilland Flamingo/ /De Havilland Fox Moth/ /De Havilland Gypsy Moth/ /De Havilland Heron/ /De Havilland Hornet Moth/ /De Havilland Leopard Moth/ /De Havilland Mosquito/ /De Havilland Otter/ /De Havilland Puss Moth/ /De Havilland Rapide/ /De Havilland Sea Hornet/ /De Havilland Sea Mosquito/ /De Havilland Sea Vampire/ /De Havilland Sea Venom/ /De Havilland Sea Vixon/ /De Havilland Swallow/ /De Havilland Tiger Moth/ /De Havilland Vampire/ /Dewoitine 520/ /DFS 230/ /DFS Kranich/ /DFS Weihe/ /Dornier 17/ /Dornier 18/ /Dornier 24/ /Dornier 26/ /Dornier 27/ /Dornier 217/ /Dornier 335/ /Douglas Boston/ /Douglas Dakota/ /Douglas Dauntless/ /Douglas Devastator/ /Douglas Invader/ /Douglas Skymaster/ /Douglas Skynight/ /Douglas Skyraider/ /Druine Turbulent

<span class="ev_code_red">E</span>
Elliott Newbury Eon/ /Embraer Bandeirante/ /English Electric Canberra/ /Enstrom F28/ /Enstrom Shark/ /Erco Ercoupe

<span class="ev_code_red">F</span>
Fairchild Argus/ /Fairchild Cornell/ /Fairchild XNQ-1/ /Fairey IIIF/ /Fairey Albacore/ /Fairey Barracuda/ /Fairey Battle/ /Fairey Firefly/ /Fairey Fulmar/ /Fairey Gannet/ /Fairey Gordon/ /Fairey Primer/ /Fairey Seal/ /Fairey Spearfish/ /Fairey Swordfish/ /Fiat B.R.20/ /Fiat C.32/ /Fiat C.42/ /Fiat G.50/ /Fieseler Storch/ /Focke-Wulf 189/ /Focke-Wulf 190/ /Focke-Wulf 200/ /Focke-Wulf 58 Weihe/ /Focke-Wulf Ta.152/ /Focke-Wulf Ta.154/ /Folland 43/37/ /Fouga Magister/ /Fournier Milan

<span class="ev_code_red">G</span>
General Aircraft Cygnet/ /General Aircraft Hamilcar/ /General Aircraft Hotspur/ /General Airfraft L./56/ /Gloster E.28/39/ /Gloster Gauntlet/ /Gloster Gladiator/ /Gloster Javlin/ /Gloster Meteor/ /Gloster Sea Meteor/ /Gotha 244/ /Grumman Ag-Cat/ /Grumman Albatross/ /Grumman Avenger/ /Grumman Bearcat/ /Grumman Cougar/ /Grumman Goose/ /Grumman Guardian/ /Grumman Hellcat/ /Grumman Panther/ /Grumman Tigercat/ /Grumman Wigeon/ /Grumman Wildcat

<span class="ev_code_red">H</span>
Handley Page Gugnunc/ /Handley Page Halifax/ /Handley Page Hastings/ /Handley Page Hermes/ /Handley Page Marathon/ /Handley Page Sparrow/ /Hawker Fury/ /Hawker Hart/ /Hawker Hector/ /Hawker Henley/ /Hawker Hunter/ /Hawker Hurricane/ /Hawker Nimrod/ /Hawker Osprey/ /Hawker P.1040/ /Hawker P.1052/ /Hawker P.1127/ /Hawker Sea Fury/ /Hawker Sea Hawk/ /Hawker Siddeley 748/ /Hawker Siddeley Gnat/ /Hawker Tempest/ /Hawker Typhoon/ /Heinkel 111/ /Heinkel 115/ /Heinkel 162/ /Heinkel 177/ /Heinkel 219/ /Henschel 123/ /Henschel 129/ /Heston Phoenix/ /Hiller HTE/ /Hitachi T.2/ /Horten IV/ /Hughes 300/ /Hughes 500/ /Hunting Percival Jet Provost/ /Hunting Percival Provost

<span class="ev_code_red">I</span>
Ilyushin 2/ /Ilyushin 4

<span class="ev_code_red">J</span>
Jodel Ambassadour/ /Jodel Club/ /Jodel Excellence/ /Jodel Grand Tourisme/ /Jodel Mascaret/ /Jodel Mousquetaire/ /Junkers 52/ /Junkers 86/ /Junkers 87/ /Junkers 88/ /Junkers 188/ /Junkers 290/ /Junkers 352/ /Junkers 388

<span class="ev_code_red">K</span>
Kamov 26/ /Kawasaki Tony/ /Klemm 26/ /Klemm 35D/ /Klemm L25/ /Klemm L27

<span class="ev_code_red">L</span>
Lavochkin 7/ /Le Vier Cosmic Wind/ /Ling Temco Vought Crusader/ /Lockheed Constellation/ /Lockheed Electra/ /Lockheed Hercules/ /Lockheed Hudson/ /Lockheed Lightning/ /Lockheed Neptune/ /Lockheed Shooting Star/ /Lockheed Starfighter/ /Lockheed Ventura/ /Luton Minor

<span class="ev_code_red">M</span>
Macchi C.202/ /Macchi C.205/ /Martin Baker M.B.5/ /Martin Baltimore/ /Martin Marauder/ /MBB Bo 105/ /McDonnell Banshee/ /McDonnell Douglas Skyhawk/ /McDonnell Phantom II/ /Messerschmitt 108/ /Messerschmitt 109/ /Messerschmitt 110/ /Messerschmitt 163/ /Messerschmitt 262/ /Messerschmitt 410/ /MIG-3/ /MIG-15/ /Mil-1/ /Mil-2/ /Mil-4/ /Miles 18/ /Miles 20/ /Miles 28/ /Miles 38/ /Miles 48/ /Miles Aerovan/ /Miles Falcon/ /Miles Gemini/ /Miles Hawk/ /Miles Hobby/ /Miles Libellula/ /Miles Magister/ /Miles Martinet/ /Miles Master/ /Miles Mentor/ /Miles Mohawk/ /Miles Monarch/ /Miles Monitor/ /Miles Sparrowhawk/ /Mitsubishi Betty/ /Mitsubishi Dinah/ /Mitsubishi Zeke/ /Mooney M20/ /Morane-Saulnier 406/ /Morane-Saulnier Paris/ /Morane-Saulnier Rallye/ /Muntz Youngman-Baynews

<span class="ev_code_red">N</span>
N.S.F.K. S.G.38/ /Nakajima Frank/ /Nakajima Oscar/ /Nipper III/ /Noorduyn Norseman/ /Nord 262A/ /Nord Noralpha/ /Nord Piingouin/ /North American Harvard/ /North American Mitchell/ /North American Mustang/ /North American Sabre/ /North American Savage/ /North American Super Sabre/ /North American Texan/ /Northrop 24 Gamma Commercial/ /Northrop Black Widow/ /Northrop F-5

<span class="ev_code_red">O</span>
Orlikan Meta Sokol

<span class="ev_code_red">P</span>
Percival Gull/ /Percival Pembroke/ /Percival Prentice/ /Percival Proctor/ /Percival Q6/ /Percival Vega Gull/ /Petlyakov PE-2/ /Piaggio P.136/ /Piaggio P.166/ /Piasecki Retriever/ /Piel Emeraude/ /Pilatus Porter/ /Piper Apache/ /Piper Aztec/ /Piper Comanche/ /Piper Cub/ /Piper Cub Special 90/ /Piper Grasshopper/ /Piper Navajo/ /Piper Pawnee/ /Piper Seneca/ /Piper Supercruiser/ /Piper Tripacer/ /Piper Cherokee/ /Pitts Special/ /Polikarpov I-15/ /Polikarpov I-16/ /Portsmouth Aerocar Major

<span class="ev_code_red">R</span>
Reggiane 2000/ /Reggiane 2001/ /Reid & Sigrist Desford/ /Republic Seabee/ /Republic Lancer/ /Republic Thunderbolt/ /Republic Thunderjet/ /Republic Thunderstreak/ /Robin Royale/ /Robinson R-22/ /Rollason Condor/ /Ryan Fireball

<span class="ev_code_red">S</span>
Saab 21/ /Saab 29/ /Saab Lansen/ /Saab Safir/ /Saunders-Roe P.531/ /Saunders-Roe Skeeter/ /Saunders-Roe S.R./A.1/ /Savoia-Marchetti SM79/ /Savoia-Marchetti SM82/ /Savoia-Marchetti SM95/ /Scheibe Motorspatz/ /Schmetz Olympia-Meise/ /Schneider Baby Grunau/ /Scottish Aviation Bulldog/ /Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer/ /Short S.31/ /Short Sealand/ /Short Skyvan/ /Short Stirling/ /Short Sturgeon/ /SIAI-Marchetti S.F.260/ /Seibel 204/ /Sikorsky R-4B Hoverfly/ /Sikorsky R-6A Hoverfly II/ /Sikorsky S-58T/ /Sikorsky S-61/ /Sikorsky S-76/ /Sipa S.903/ /Slingsby Capstan/ /Slingsby Kirkby Cadet/ /Slingsby Motor Tutor/ /Slingsby Prefect/ /Slingsby Swallow/ /Slingsby T.21/ /Slingsby T.31/ /Socata Diplomate/ /Stampe et Vertongen SV-4/ /Stearman Caydet/ /Stinson Junior R/ /Stinson Reliant/ /Stinson Sentinel/ /Sud-Aviation Djinn/ /Supermarine Attacker/ /Supermarine S.24/37/ /Supermarine Scimitar/ /Supermarine Sea Otter/ /Supermarine Seafang/ /Supermarine Seafire/ /Supermarine Seagull/ /Supermarine Spiteful/ /Supermarine Spitfire/ /Supermarine Walrus/ /SZD Bocian

<span class="ev_code_red">T</span>
Taylorcraft Auster/ /Taylor J.T.1 Monoplane/ /Taylor J.T.2 Titch/ /Thruxton Jackaroo/ /Tipsy S.2/ /Tipsy Trainer/ /Tipsy Type B

<span class="ev_code_red">V</span>
Vertol 107/ /Vickers Valiant/ /Vickers Vanguard/ /Vickers VC10/ /Vickers Viking/ /Vickers Viscount/ /Vickers Warwick/ /Vickers Wellington/ /Vickers Windsor/ /Vought-Sikorsky Chesapeake/ /Vought-Sikorsky Kingfisher/ /Vultee Vengeance

<span class="ev_code_red">W</span>
Waco CG-3/ /Waco Hadrian/ /Westland Aerospatiale Gazelle/ /Westland Aerospatiale Lynx/ /Westland Lysander/ /Westland Sikorsky S-51 Dragonfly/ /Westland Sikorsky S-55 Whirlwind/ /Westland Wasp/ /Westland Welkin/ /Westland Wessex/ /Westland Whirlwind/ /Westland Wyvern/ /Winter Zaunkönig

<span class="ev_code_red">Y</span>
Yakovlev-1/ /Yakovlev-9/ /Yakovlev-11/ /Youngman-Baynes High Lift

<span class="ev_code_red">Z</span>
Zlin Akrobat

Trinity_Jay
04-30-2008, 09:08 AM
Dear All,

I shall be meeting Mr Brown next to conduct the interview and shall take some photos, which will be posted here.

Once again, thanks for your time.

CPS_Bulldog

Trinity_Jay
04-30-2008, 09:09 AM
Next week, that is...

Rickustyit
05-05-2008, 03:13 PM
Macchi C.202/ /Macchi C.205

Wow, the list is amazing...

Maybe one question about the Macchi C.202 and C.205 would be interesting, since there are so few real pilots' reports around...

Cheers
Rick

MB_Avro_UK
05-05-2008, 05:05 PM
Hi all,

Ask him what is his favourite beer. WW2 RAF pilots relaxed with a pint or three http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/MB_Avro/glass.gif


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Wildnoob
05-05-2008, 05:06 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Trinity_Jay
05-06-2008, 11:52 PM
An amazing day with Capt. Eric Brown. We treated the gentleman to lunch followed by a professional photoshoot and then a two-hour interview. Some amazing stories and I shall share some of them, and photos, later.

He answered most of your questions.

Once again, many thanks.

Jay

Feathered_IV
05-07-2008, 04:47 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

klemlao
05-07-2008, 06:22 AM
I hope you asked him the obvious IL-2 dweeb question: If he did in fact try out IL-2 does he have an opinion on even just one aircraft as to whether or not it responded like the real thing.

Wildnoob
05-07-2008, 02:57 PM
can't wait for the ansewers.

I don't care if my question was ansewerd or not, but if yes, would be even more great. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

skarden
05-08-2008, 02:35 AM
Here you go gents,this is a review Capt. Eric Brown did of IL-2 back in the day

Capt.Eric Brown IL-2 review (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=309109534&r=875101634#875101634)

I cant find the original review page,but i think all of it has been copy and pasted into that thread.

take special note about the joystick settings he used,our joystick settings were changed with 4.07(i think) but it's still very very interesting to see the settings he had to use to get the feel close.

enjoy till we get the new stuff(hopefully soon!)
cheers trinity jay ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xiolablu3
05-08-2008, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by skarden:
Here you go gents,this is a review Capt. Eric Brown did of IL-2 back in the day

Capt.Eric Brown IL-2 review (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=309109534&r=875101634#875101634)

I cant find the original review page,but i think all of it has been copy and pasted into that thread.

take special note about the joystick settings he used,our joystick settings were changed with 4.07(i think) but it's still very very interesting to see the settings he had to use to get the feel close.

enjoy till we get the new stuff(hopefully soon!)
cheers trinity jay ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

We should add that Oleg has already tweaked the controls on account of this interview with Eric Brown.

We deduced that the small amount of travel of a PC joystick compared to a real flight stick would most likely be the cause of Mr Brown feeling that the controls were oversensitive and giving altered Joystick settings. (These settings dont allow you to obtain full elevator).

However, Oleg tweaked the controls in a later patch to try and bring them in line with Mr Browns useful comments. It would be great to have him try the sim again in its final incarnation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Remember that the 4.xx flight model is much improved and different to the earlier version Eric tested.

skarden
05-08-2008, 04:26 AM
Ah,i knew the joystick settings where changed(4.07?) but not because of that review,very cool example of a developer listening to the experts.

I hope someone ask's him about the 50's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

(hehe soz couldn't help it!)

Codex1971
05-09-2008, 04:21 AM
Good luck Jay/Bulldog. Can't wait to see the book!

BillyTheKid_22
05-11-2008, 10:45 AM
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/upload/img_400/563-07-Wings-on-my-Sleeve.jpg

M_Gunz
05-11-2008, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by skarden:
Ah,i knew the joystick settings where changed(4.07?) but not because of that review,very cool example of a developer listening to the experts.

I hope someone ask's him about the 50's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

(hehe soz couldn't help it!)

Not the setting but how the code responds to user actions.
Settings can be changed and would not have made the difference we got.

Heliopause
06-01-2008, 06:41 AM
bump

elephant_il2
06-02-2008, 08:33 AM
Where is that interview anyway?
We saw the pictures but not a clue about the talking whatsoever...

Osprey_334th
06-02-2008, 11:16 AM
Read most of "Wings On My Sleeve" before losing it a month ago, then I found it in my glovebox lol So i'll enjoy finishing it. I didn't catch the thread early enough so missed any q's I might have had however i'll be eager to hear the review all the same http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

From what I understand, although Eric Brown was an exceptional pilot and flew all these types he actually saw relatively little combat - which is perhaps why he's with us today to tell us his experiences. I recall the heaviest combat he was in was when he flew a mission with some Canadian pilots over France and he said it was a complete free for all with dozens of aircraft whizzing all over the place. Another combat he was in was with the Marletts and recreated in the documentary "The World At War" with L Olivier. There is an episode on the U-Boats (#10 I think) and in this is a detailed account of action in the Bay of Biscay involving a wolfpack and convoy, some FW200's and protecting destroyers. In this action it is mentioned that the escort carrier "Audacity" was torpedoed and sunk - This was Eric Brown's carrier which he was on board when the torp struck. The book goes into more depth on this particular action, including the 3 hours Brown spent floating in the sea before being rescued - he was one of 2 that survived the attack after hours in the water and put it down to his pilots clothing.

~S~

Trinity_Jay
06-04-2008, 09:14 AM
Hola,

We're still working hard on the book for its release. The same goes for the interview. More soon!

CPS_Bulldog

WOLFMondo
06-04-2008, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Osprey_334th:
From what I understand, although Eric Brown was an exceptional pilot and flew all these types he actually saw relatively little combat - which is perhaps why he's with us today to tell us his experiences.

I think thats more your reading the classic British use of understatement. It wasn't like he did continous combat service like Johnny Johnson, flying hundreds and hundreds of combat sorties over years but did serve on an escort carrier for some time, has several claims to his credit and did occaisionally fly with active units. His sortie count probably exceeds comfortably some of the 25 mission and then home US fighter pilots.

Bremspropeller
06-04-2008, 11:03 AM
I'd like to know, what he exactly means with "sinking" in referral to his quote on recovering 190s from a dive.
Does he mean to be too aggressive on recovery and stalling?

Heliopause
06-04-2008, 12:01 PM
Bremspropeller, that reminds me of another pilot commenting on the Hurricane:
"It's fun beating up places but you have to be careful as the Hurricane cushions downwards as you pull her out"

Xiolablu3
06-04-2008, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
I'd like to know, what he exactly means with "sinking" in referral to his quote on recovering 190s from a dive.
Does he mean to be too aggressive on recovery and stalling?

He means pulling out too hard so that it kills the speed, and speed is extrememly important for a FW190.

Just the same as burning off speed by turning too hard, but in this case when pulling out.

When pulling out too hard and the plane is 'sinking', the plane is facing up (the guy has pulled out sharply), but gravity and speed is pulling it down, for a while the whole bottom of the aircraft is the leading edge, therefore the drag is massive.

Not sure I explained it very well, it would be easier with a diagram.

The plane would be pointing slightly nose up, as the guy is pulling out, but still moving towards the ground.

This video shows 'sinking', but the plane has probably 20 times as much thrust, still the skinking is evident, even in one of the most powerful aircraft today. It would be worse in a Prop plane with only 1500hp or so, I guess :-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNf6JL2yaU8&feature=related

At 1m20s on this video its shown froma nother angle :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwEAr5MtCbA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSXRPH9PVjM&feature=related



Obviously for 'sinking' to happen you dont need to be near the ground. But it will definitely burn off a lot of speed when it happens. The flat bottom of an aircraft is not very aerodynamic.

Bremspropeller
06-04-2008, 12:39 PM
I get what you mean.

The vid is quite neat, though I've seen it before. It's AoA protection just kicked in and didn't allow to pull up more AoA.
Only when the pilot selected AB, the drag was overcome and he could recover.

Xiolablu3
06-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Heres another one that shows it well :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJkNtgK76AM&feature=related


You dont often notice it when the planes are higher, only when they are close to the ground, as in these videos, can you see how much the plane is actually 'sinking'. Obviously this happens however high the plane is, depending on how hard he pulls out of his dive.

When a plane is pulled out very very VERY hard, you can see it almost stop in mid air, so the speed lost is very evident.

BTW Bremms, what is AB please?

Bremspropeller
06-04-2008, 01:13 PM
Afterburner, or R/H (reheat), as you Brits like to call it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The Tiffie is pulling all the AoA the FLC allows it to (50m² of wing area is a lot of drag that can not be overthrown with dry power only).
So he is only avle to recover when AB kicks in - you can see his change in throttle by the amount of engine-smoke that gets blown out while spooling up towards full dry power.
It disappears as the engines transition into AB.

Lurch1962
06-04-2008, 06:35 PM
You dont often notice it when the planes are higher, only when they are close to the ground, as in these videos, can you see how much the plane is actually 'sinking'. Obviously this happens however high the plane is, depending on how hard he pulls out of his dive.

Correct.

This term "sinking" is a bit of a misnomer. The plane is still behaving the same way it does at higher altitudes (and in other attitudes). But when near the ground the high angle of attack with respect to the local airflow makes the difference between the plane's longitudinal axis and its velocity vector dramatically -- even alarmingly -- evident.

Xiolablu3
06-04-2008, 06:42 PM
Rgr that Lurch...


Btw, I wonder if 'sinking' is actually modelled in IL2? I know the speed loss when pulling out hard is definitely modelled, but I dont remember seeing anything like the sinking in those videos while watching an IL2 video/track.

Anyone tried it? Does the plane in IL2 continue travelling downwards when pulled out hard as that Typhoon does?

R_Target
06-04-2008, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
25 mission and then home US fighter pilots.

Which U.S. fighter groups sent pilots home after 25 missions?

berg417448
06-04-2008, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by R_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
25 mission and then home US fighter pilots.

Which U.S. fighter groups sent pilots home after 25 missions?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He's probably confused long range bomber crew missions with fighter missions.

Here is a list of a few US pilots mission numbers:

Donald Blakeslee 350 missions
David C. Schilling 132 missions
Bud Anderson 116 missions
Gabreski : 193 missions.
Robert Johnson 92 missions
John Meyer 200 missions
Zemke 154 missions
George Preddy 143 missions

WOLFMondo
06-05-2008, 02:45 AM
My mistake, I belive the average was about 60 sorties over a year before rotation back home.