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CarlingWood
04-04-2009, 05:06 PM
with the 190!

I used to be a strictly allied fighter, and a very mediocre one to say the least. I could barely shoot down any planes, and my ration was about a kill for every 6 deaths. I tried all the red planes, Mustangs, Spits, Tempests, Hurricanes, etc. You name it. But there is always a reason i can't kill with any of it. Mustangs I cannot kill with the .50's to save my life. Spits I get BnZed all the time, and bad at saving E for me. Tempests just wasn't maneuverable enough for me.

Also I might add that I couldn't deflection shoot with the guns on any of these planes.

Today I tried the FW-190 for the first time (I had tried the 109 before, but found that it didnt suit me either). I was amazed to get 4 kills in one takeoff. It was amazing. Boom down, 1 sec burst, aircraft would burst into flames. For some reason I could shoot with this baby.

But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(

Waldo.Pepper
04-04-2009, 05:16 PM
But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(

Bite your tongue! Your not in love. It is a temporary infatuation. Just because you are getting some! It will wear off.

Ba5tard5word
04-04-2009, 05:37 PM
Yeah the Fw-190 lets you get really lazy, just pull up behind an enemy, fire a short burst, and move on to the next one. But its handling requires that you be careful.

DKoor
04-04-2009, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by CarlingWood:
Tempests just wasn't maneuverable enough for me. Tempest is better plane than 109A, more or less equal to FW-190D, and in many ways better for begginers than 190, with no drawbacks to it.

In short... really powerful crate.

DKoor
04-04-2009, 05:58 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(

Bite your tongue! Your not in love. It is a temporary infatuation. Just because you are getting some! It will wear off. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

R_Target
04-04-2009, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by CarlingWood:
But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(

190D is cooler looking than both IMO.

ImMoreBetter
04-04-2009, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by CarlingWood:
But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(

You're right, like the 109, the 190 is ugly.

In a bad@ss kind of way! http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rock.gif

Jaws2002
04-04-2009, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by CarlingWood:
But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(


Are you contradicting one of the highest scoring US Aces????
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waffen-79
04-04-2009, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by ImMoreBetter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CarlingWood:
But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(

You're right, like the 109, the 190 is ugly.

In a bad@ss kind of way! http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rock.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Of course they're ugly, they're supposed to be killers!, birds of prey!! dammit!

You want a cute ride? take a spit, pony or yak (ask any girl)

VW-IceFire
04-04-2009, 09:44 PM
Pfft...190s look amazing in addition to being amazing to fly. But they do take work. Most people have to work to get the FW190 but perhaps you're one of the rare types that doesn't get the other planes but does the 190. Its an experts plane for sure...takes some practice to be really good but once there its almost unstoppable.

Choctaw111
04-04-2009, 11:01 PM
The 190 is a remarkable plane in the hands of a seasoned pilot. It is not the greatest turn fighter, but all you need is a quick snapshot with all the firepower. Just learn to keep your energy in this extraordinary plane and you have really got something. In my time with a Blue squad (I know, I know, I'm a Red kind of guy) that flew the 190 I learned many things, but was far from a master like some others.

K_Freddie
04-05-2009, 02:16 AM
There are some stories from the eastern front where pilots were only able to get mediocre scores, if any, in their ME109'2.. etc.
Within months of converting to the FW190, their scores were approaching the 100 mark.

It's a killer machine for sure. Others will tell you all the pro's and cons, but at the end of the day, getting the kill and going home is what the FW190 is all about.
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slipBall
04-05-2009, 03:11 AM
I havent seen a case of instant love this strong since Megile left this community for a women http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DuxCorvan
04-05-2009, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by CarlingWood:
I used to be a strictly allied fighter

Never understood this kind of political/national/ethical 'strict' positioning when playing a f*** game. It's like buying, I don't know, "Starcraft" and only 'strictly' playing with one faction.

I specially find silly "feeling bad" about flying axis or VVS planes, like you're identifying with the Nazi or Stalinist regimes just for doing so...

I knew a French childish guy who only played the Gauls in 'Rome: Total War', "to free his land from the Roman oppressors". WTF... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I love all planes, I paid the full game, I enjoy the full content.

skarden
04-05-2009, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by R_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CarlingWood:
But too bad it doesnt look as good as the Pony or Spit =(

190D is cooler looking than both IMO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yep damm sexy plane,My favorite WWII plane http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
It just tips the mustang out for me in looks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Bremspropeller
04-05-2009, 04:43 AM
German a/c an "beautiful" in one sentence...well - to everyone his taste http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

The 190 certainly has it's angles of beauty though...

Look at my sig - you'll see the windshield refelcting the sunlight.
Julius Meimberg described exactly that sight as the "blink of the eye of a cyclope" when doing his mock-dogfight against Egon Mayer's 190.

Choctaw111
04-05-2009, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by slipBall:
I havent seen a case of instant love this strong since Megile left this community for a women http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

He left for a woman? I must have missed that and wonder what happened since then.

DKoor
04-05-2009, 06:37 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CarlingWood:
I used to be a strictly allied fighter

Never understood this kind of political/national/ethical 'strict' positioning when playing a f*** game. It's like buying, I don't know, "Starcraft" and only 'strictly' playing with one faction.

I specially find silly "feeling bad" about flying axis or VVS planes, like you're identifying with the Nazi or Stalinist regimes just for doing so...

I knew a French childish guy who only played the Gauls in 'Rome: Total War', "to free his land from the Roman oppressors". WTF... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I love all planes, I paid the full game, I enjoy the full content. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hey man... whatever rows their boat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif.
It takes a bit more effort to look at things right way. Most people don't like doing any unnecessary effort. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
But ironically, looking it thru their spectre of view I'm absolutely positive that they really shouldn't fly any plane at all. I mean being so fully... righteous. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

This silly little issue speaks quite a bit about person.

Xiolablu3
04-05-2009, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CarlingWood:
I used to be a strictly allied fighter

Never understood this kind of political/national/ethical 'strict' positioning when playing a f*** game. It's like buying, I don't know, "Starcraft" and only 'strictly' playing with one faction.

I specially find silly "feeling bad" about flying axis or VVS planes, like you're identifying with the Nazi or Stalinist regimes just for doing so...

I knew a French childish guy who only played the Gauls in 'Rome: Total War', "to free his land from the Roman oppressors". WTF... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

I love all planes, I paid the full game, I enjoy the full content. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly, fly the planes you are best in or enjoy the most.

crucislancer
04-05-2009, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by waffen-79:
You want a cute ride? take a spit, pony or yak (ask any girl)

Hey! The Yak ain't no girl-y ride! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I've always liked the looks of the Fw-190, though. It's a beautiful aircraft, particularly the Dora.



Never understood this kind of political/national/ethical 'strict' positioning when playing a f*** game. It's like buying, I don't know, "Starcraft" and only 'strictly' playing with one faction.

I specially find silly "feeling bad" about flying axis or VVS planes, like you're identifying with the Nazi or Stalinist regimes just for doing so...

+1, DuxCorvan.

McHilt
04-05-2009, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by K_Freddie:
There are some stories from the eastern front where pilots were only able to get mediocre scores, if any, in their ME109'2.. etc.
Within months of converting to the FW190, their scores were approaching the 100 mark.

It's a killer machine for sure. Others will tell you all the pro's and cons, but at the end of the day, getting the kill and going home is what the FW190 is all about.
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

It's not about the bird, it's about the person flying the bird...
A FW-190 in the hands of a total moron is worth sh*t... YOU have to deal the knuckle sandwich and not the machine. So as for all the red planes mentioned here not performing well... TRY HARDER! cause you (in general sense http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ) are the one performing poorly, not the bird. In '39 polish pilots managed to shoot down many Bfs in their P-11s!!! Now. that's what I call a pilot.

slipBall
04-05-2009, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Choctaw111:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slipBall:
I havent seen a case of instant love this strong since Megile left this community for a women http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

He left for a woman? I must have missed that and wonder what happened since then. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes, I believe so...we should see him back after the seven year itch http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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danjama
04-05-2009, 12:21 PM
Everyone knows Megile left to come and find me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

McHilt
04-05-2009, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
Everyone knows Megile left to come and find me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Are you pretending to be that woman Danjama? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW who was that saying:
"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams"
I once knew but I'm drawing blanks here... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

danjama
04-05-2009, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by McHilt:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by danjama:
Everyone knows Megile left to come and find me http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Are you pretending to be that woman Danjama? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW who was that saying:
"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams"
I once knew but I'm drawing blanks here... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif I'm more woman than he can handle http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

It had no significance to why i picked the quote but it was Eleanor Roosevelt - i just thought it was a really beautiful sentiment, something to believe in.

McHilt
04-05-2009, 12:44 PM
Sure thing!
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I like people who think like that...

K_Freddie
04-05-2009, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by McHilt:
It's not about the bird, it's about the person flying the bird...
Yes yes.. of course. I just hadn't put the 'noob' pilot into the equation...
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Metatron_123
04-05-2009, 04:29 PM
I liked DuxCorvan's post, those who believe in the holy righteousness of any side in war, and then go on to support it fanatically in a game, need a reality check.

On a lighter note, I can't see the Yak as a girly plane, for the simple reason that it reminds me of an old russian farmer on his tractor. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif (at least before the Yak-3, Yak-9U).

CarlingWood
04-05-2009, 05:47 PM
No, its not because I am biased to the faction, but merely to the planes. I love how the P-51 curves, the wings on the spit, and the cockpit in the tempest. But I have the camo/grungy look of the Fw-190 and the cockpit.

na85
04-05-2009, 06:31 PM
The Yak is a warrior's aircraft. Low ammo count but highly accurate, almost surgical in precision.

Pinpoint strikes. Hit'em where it hurts. Fast but nimble.

HayateAce
04-05-2009, 07:34 PM
As modeled the 190 is mainly about point whoring. Getting kills is extremely easy, and when lazy 190 players do finally get into trouble, simple flicks of the stick and endless pinwheel rolls will keep the 190 out any serious damage from anything but lucky control hits. I respect a decent P51 pilot FAR more than the players that try to call themselves a 190 "ace".

I can go for years and not touch the 190, then take it up and click off 5 kills with an RTB. Not much of a challenge.

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WTE_Galway
04-05-2009, 11:15 PM
You realise if too many people start flying the 190 instead of the pony and spit - Bush and Blair will be out of office and the US will start to lose the war in Iraq ....

they are ??? .. oh .. d@mn .. now look what you guys gone and done

AllorNothing117
04-06-2009, 04:57 AM
Admitedly I haven't read this whole thread but I can realy Identify with the first post.

That happend to me. Trust me your not in love!

See... The spitfire, huricane, tempest, mustang are all good planes in their own right. But they all have their drawbacks like any other plane.

Planes like the 190 and the LA7 seem imo to be a cut above the rest. they are both fast and manuvorable and have good armorment. No obviouus drawback. Thats not to say they have no drawbacks. No plane is perfect, but they are some of the best. There's no nice way of saying this, but I think your "in love" with the 190 becasue sudenly you are getting more kills then before. But thats not love... Love is when I hop in my P-38 and couldn't care less about the poorly modled compresability or the fact that somewhere theres a plane with better guns, thats more manuverable, faster, and doesn't make me a target online. But I couldn't care less. i just open up the throttle, fly off into the sunset and know that 190 or LA7 could ever look this good. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
04-06-2009, 06:15 PM
So what you're saying is, he thinks he's in love just because he's getting some?

Where was this kind of in-depth relationship counseling when I was about to get married?

The 190 is easy to love. It's fast, and once you learn to keep it fast it hits a TON. I like its lines a lot; there's some serious understated elegance there, like the older Mercedes Benz convertables, and the German camo has always been MUCH cooler and individualist than the cookie cutter Allied Olive Drab/Neutral gray with white stripes or the Dark Green/Ocean Gray/Medium Sea Gray with bullseye accents.

The only thing I don't like is the time it takes me to retrain myself after spending 20 missions in an offline campaign in it. It takes a good four or five solid hours of flying the next ride before I can keep from just angling for that spit second kill shot by tapping the trigger for a half second instead of working to get a superior postion that I can hold long enough to fire an honest three second burst.

I've lost more kills to my Number Three that way...

cheers

horseback

AllorNothing117
04-07-2009, 05:05 AM
"I like its lines a lot; there's some serious understated elegance there, like the older Mercedes Benz convertables, and the German camo has always been MUCH cooler and individualist than the cookie cutter Allied Olive Drab/Neutral gray with white stripes or the Dark Green/Ocean Gray/Medium Sea Gray with bullseye accents."

I completely agree and I hardly ever fly axis. Both the German and Japanees planes have a certain beauty to them. The German planes all seem to have a utalitarien look about them. Fully functional, and the grey cammo with yellow bits is a great look. The japanees planes look stunning too, white with massize red cyrcles just screaming "shoot me" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif you gotta have serious balls to fly something so distingwishable as P-38 though... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Axis and Allied planes both have an elegnce to them. And some how I always think the Allied aircraft look like "the good guys" and axis look like the "bad guys" I think even if you new nothing of world war 2 you could tell that somehow...

ROXunreal
04-07-2009, 06:30 AM
As far as looks go (and gunnery), almost any US fighter looks absolutely hideous to me. From the Mustang with that "pouch" to the Jug which looks like a flying whale, to the wildcats and hellcats which in all honesty look absolutely ridiculous. They all look just......fat. The only exception is the P-38, has that charm that makes it the best looking plane in the game IMO, best after the - FW 190 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Anton or Dora, or even Ta, all are beautiful. My personal 3rd place in the looks department goes to the Tempest. I also love the spitfire-type wings, and the Tempest has by far the best pit I've seen in the game.

After a month and a half of flying almost exclusively the FW-190 I've come to be rather successful in it for someone playing only 6 weeks online, and wouldn't give it up for anything. I actually outflied spits in turn fights on a few occasions, which I didn't think the 190 was capable of by a long shot. Felt extremely good to turn the tables on the smart asses. And as someone once said, it's not a fighter as much as it's a high speed assassin. A spit and La will out turn me, a mustang will outrun me and a jug will outdive me, but all I need is a glimpse of them in my gunsights, and all those abilities will become useless.

The only two things I LOATHE on the 190 are that any wing damage drastically reduces lift on that wing, more so than on any other craft I flew, and the infinitely annoying aileron control damage that pops out on the Dora every time someone even scratches me.

raaaid
04-07-2009, 06:34 AM
i hate the 190 in fact i hate it for it ruins my tactis of vertical spiraling with a spit, so i use it

with the 25 lbs i was getting a 2-1 kills but with the 190 tactics i got 7-1 kill death ratio

i hate it you punch at a merciless enemy and then when advantage lost go home crying for mommy

now istn it better handle 4 foes at a time in a spit in a climbing circle?

McHilt
04-07-2009, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by ROXunreal:
As far as looks go (and gunnery), almost any US fighter looks absolutely hideous to me.

Hm, I disagree... the FW-190's except the dora have a fat stomp nose like a bullterrier which indeed looks like a killer but beautiful??? No, I'm sorry but I can't discover beauty there mister... look at the plane in my sig, the A26 Invader... looks pretty to me and it's mean too (not a fighter but hell...)
The latewar USN fighter had a very nice high gloss finish which is absolutely classy!
Look at the Tigercat, bearcat... man they look gorgeous.
So I guess this whole thing about beauty is one of a personal kind and yes some folks have a bad taste and that would not be me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Oh and YOU have the LUXURY to choose any plane you like... In WWII they flew what they HAD to fly with, a completely different story that is so don't bull**** about being so good etc.

I like Hayateace's comment too
"I respect a decent P51 pilot FAR more than the players that try to call themselves a 190 "ace"."

After all it's just a Sim, yes
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AllorNothing117
04-08-2009, 04:51 AM
At the end of the day theres not too much point disscusing/debating what looks the best cos It's just a matter of opinion. Personaly I don't think you can shun an entire Countries aircraft as ALL bad looking but thats besides the point.

"I respect a decent P51 pilot FAR more than the players that try to call themselves a 190 "ace"

That's spot on in my opinion. When you get killed by a 190 (from my limited online experience) it's just like maybe he was good or maybe he was just another rubish pilot in fast plane with good guns. But when you get killed by a hurricanne... Now thats a different story.

Flight_boy1990
04-08-2009, 06:15 AM
I haven't rode the rest of the posts,but when i rode this...


"I respect a decent P51 pilot FAR more than the players that try to call themselves a 190 "ace"

I'll talk from my point of view of FW-190 dedicated pilot,and with 3-4 years of experience with this particular plane.

Look,the 190 has good guns,true.
But have very self-minded way of behaving.You never know what it's going to do.
You try the snap stall,you go into a flat spin,and so on.
P-51 is easier to handle than FW-190,if nobody believes of that,ask an good FW-190 pilot to swap positions with a very good P-51 pilot,and start a fight,the 190 pilot that is in a 51,will...kick the **** out of the 51 pilot who is in the 190.
And don't forget that the 190 is not a "Lonewolf" plane!It's made for teamplay.If you have a wingman on the right side of you,you'll see the difference.
Once me and my wingman in the squad (the group's XO),we were flying in the War Clouds or Wings Over Europe server.
We got attacked by 4 P-51,of course they were from the same squadron and apparently were using TS,and i know them,they were from a very good P-51 dedicated squadron.
So,with the right tactics,we turned the tables and bounced them,out of 4,2 were shotdown,1 badly damaged and 1 ran away.The ratio was 4:2 (them:us).
I'm not saying that we're aces...There are other people like us.
But with this briliant saying in the quote,and after all this well planed tactic by 190 pilots,that turned the tables on their enemy and shot them down,you're trying to say that you won't respect and consider such Fw-190 pilots to be an "ace",or atleast "good"??

If you want to be a good P-51 pilot,you must pass through the FW-190,than you'll see why...