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VikingGrandad
07-29-2007, 03:31 AM
WWII bomb found at Canary Wharf (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6920474.stm)

Let's hope the bomb disposal can defuse it - those things made a hell of a bang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwQBpmpoOBw&mode=related&search=

Imagine if they have to use a controlled explosion! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Celeon999
07-29-2007, 04:05 AM
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Wow, quite some news !

850 kg Amatol, i hope they still have those original detonator blueprints. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Thats more BANG ! than modern cruise missiles have to offer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

V-1 launch with a nice close up of the Pulse jet engine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgpnKARvd24&mode=related&search=)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/V1-20040830.jpg/800px-V1-20040830.jpg

Goose_Green
07-29-2007, 04:28 AM
Thanks for posting VG http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

I was trawling the BBC news website yesterday and I missed that one. I guess with the amount of munitions dropped by both sides during the war we are still going to get stories like this one. But to have an unexploded V1 now that's a bit different.

@Celeon - Do you get many reports like this in Germany of allied munitions being found unexploded?

Celeon999
07-29-2007, 06:57 AM
@Celeon - Do you get many reports like this in Germany of allied munitions being found unexploded?


Yes, often it just reaches the newspapers, too uninteresting for TV reports i guess.

A few weeks ago my father ringed me, telling me that he is stuck in traffic on the city autobahn as they had closed it due to another bomb which was found at some construction site.

Realjambo
07-29-2007, 12:53 PM
Good thread VG http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Pretty effective weapons those 'Doodlebugs'. In early December 1944, an American General Clayton Bissell wrote a paper which argued strongly in favour of the V1 compared to conventional bombers, which makes for intersting reading.
The following is a table he produced
Blitz (12 months) vs V1 flying bombs (2 months)

Blitz V1
1. Cost to Germany
Sorties 90,000 8,025
Weight of bombs tons 61,149 14,600
Fuel consumed tons 71,700 4,681
Aircraft lost 3,075 0
Men lost 7,690 0

2. Results
Houses damaged/destroyed 1,150,000 1,127,000
Casualties 92,566 22,892
Rate casualties/bombs tons 1.6 1.6

3. Allied air effort
Sorties 86,800 44,770
Planes lost 1,260 351
Men lost 805 2,233

There was a particularly challenging method of intercepting them, hoperfully before their engines cut out, called 'Tipping' where Tempest pilots drew level with the V1 and 'tipped' it's wings to put the rocket off course. You've got to have some courage and enormous skill to pull that off I would suggest. Here's an photo of it in action, and another of a V1 that got through...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/Spitfire_Tipping_V-1_Flying_Bomb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/v1downa.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/antsmith/v1downb.jpg

Goose_Green
07-29-2007, 11:04 PM
Great photos RJ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mariuszj1939
07-30-2007, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by Realjambo:

There was a particularly challenging method of intercepting them, hoperfully before their engines cut out, called 'Tipping' where Tempest pilots drew level with the V1 and 'tipped' it's wings to put the rocket off course. You've got to have some courage and enormous skill to pull that off I would suggest. Here's an photo of it in action, and another of a V1 that got through...



I just reading authobiography book of Polish pilot Jan Zumbach "The final battle"
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/2715/220278893969695001cl7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/6388/untitled93am0.png (http://imageshack.us)

He mentioned after short period of time Germans noticed this method and added to both wings of V1 explosives. Zumbach lost two colleagues because they didn't expect it.
Later they shot V1 from distance min 300 m.

VikingGrandad
07-30-2007, 05:40 PM
@mariuszj1939 - I'd heard of Tempests tipping V-1's to send them off course, but I didn't know the Germans started putting explosives on the wings... very devious! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

@RJ - interesting shots... Do you know the location?

mariuszj1939
07-31-2007, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by VikingGrandad:
@mariuszj1939 - I'd heard of Tempests tipping V-1's to send them off course, but I didn't know the Germans started putting explosives on the wings... very devious! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif


I was also very surprised !
BTW - history of Zumbach life is incredible - he was even more active http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif after WWII
Kongo , Nigeria , all Europe etc

Celeon999
07-31-2007, 02:12 AM
I once saw a IL-2 video in which someone did exactly this !



I believe he used a P-51 for that, he tipped the wing of the v1 and it fell down http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It even works in the simulation ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I cant find it on youtube and i cant remember where i saw it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Propably some IL-2 website

Friedl9te
07-31-2007, 03:26 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbmVqI__2Q

Celeon999
07-31-2007, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by Friedl9te:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbmVqI__2Q


Yes thats the one ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

klcarroll
07-31-2007, 08:21 AM
Yep, ......The V-1, ...the original "Cruise Missile"!!

It's interesting to compare it to the Tomahawk Cruise Missile:

V-1 cruising speed ................390 mph (630kph)
Tomahawk cruising speed ......550mph (880kph)

V-1 range ...........................150 miles (250km)
Tomahawk range .................600 to1500 miles (995 - 2500km) (variant dependent)

V-1 warhead ......................1870 lb (850kg)
Tomahawk warhead ............1000 lb (454kg)

V-1 length ..........................27' 4" (8.3m)
Tomahawk length ..............18' 3" (5.56m)

V-1 wingspan .....................17' 8" (5.4m)
Tomahawk wingspan ......... 8' 9" (2.67m)

V-1 weight ........................4760 lb (2160kg)
Tomahawk weight ..............2650 lb (1200kg)

V-1 cost (inflation adjusted) ...$22,527
Tomahawk cost .......................$1,400,000


The only "huge" performance difference is the range; .....and that is mainly because the Pulse Jet on the V-1 was not very fuel efficient: ......It averaged about 1 mile per gallon. (But keep in mind that the range of a 1944 vintage V-1 could be DOUBLED if you were willing to settle for "only" a 1000 pound warhead!)

........On the other hand, it sure was cheap! You could buy 62 <span class="ev_code_yellow">(yes, ...SIXTY TWO!)</span> V-1s for the cost of one Tomahawk TLAM.

......Now imagine adding one of the cheap, GPS based guidance systems we use now to the basic V-1: ...........Talk about your economy solution!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

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Celeon999
07-31-2007, 08:54 AM
V-1 's grand children ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif (Actually these are drones) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


By the way : Any news on the London V1 ?

I heard no boom! and no London raining down on me here so everything seemed to have went right... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/1874/pic0067fg1.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/6505/pic0068cc6.jpg

Celeon999
08-01-2007, 03:24 AM
@ Goose_Green

As soon as you talk about it .... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
News article from yesterday (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6818395,00.html)

Talking about wasting military budget on useless equipment http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FliegenderFisch
08-05-2007, 12:14 PM
there are really many bombs found here in germany. in hamburg, where i live, it must be between 15 and 50 the last 15 years. regarding this, its nice that our city has survived the terrific bombwar with such an amount of old buildings. but there are still many unknown busters laying in the ground. especially in the industrial areas. i really wondered that in london are also found such things. as the bomb war against london was not that heavy...

mariuszj1939
08-06-2007, 12:19 AM
"Old" bombs in Polish cities can be found all the time -
during last year - Warsaw ,
Szczecin March 2007 see
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/6995/32452zv9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(last year my son was evacuated from preliminary school because bomb was found when next part of school was building !)
last week - Wroclaw (150 kos bomb was found 0,5 m below main street !)

mariuszj1939
08-06-2007, 07:49 AM
American version of V1 - starting place B-26
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8083/b26engine1jj9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(as you can see Werner von Braun still didn't join American project http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif)