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rnzoli
04-24-2007, 03:40 AM
IBTL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif:

Early morning I saw a small car accident. The driver was trying to go out of the empty parking lot of our company premises, but instead of reversing, she went forward, through the fence, nearly dropping off into a ditch.

I was the only person around at that time, so I helped the driver to calm down, stop engine and promised her to bring some help to get the car back on the road. Unfortunately, the front was way down on the side of the parking lot, and the rear was literally sticking high up into the air, so I knew that we will need a crane to get the car up on the parking lot safely.

Got the guards alerted, people also promised to come and cut off the fence and aid lifting the car that way, so I headed off to my morning meeting.

Inside the building, I have met a colleague rushing down towards the parking lot in excitement. He was asking:
"Did you see the car that fell off the parking lot? I am going to take a picture of it!"

I said "Yes, it's good that you go down, because you should help there".

Then my colleague became a little bit surprised and the he said hesitating "In that case I won't go. I thought it was something that happened earlier."

This is not the only time when I feel that people rather take photographs and mock someone in help, rather than actually helping.

Youtube and the millions of photo/video sharing sites make this even worse. The more shocking videos you post, the better your rating will be. At least large news agencies have some kind of code of conduct, but "ordinary" people don't. It looks like a lot of people prefer their own entertainment over releaving others from their sufferings.

What can stop the apparent lack of solidarity with other people, who are in trouble and need our help?

Will we soon see deliberate criminal acts, in order to publish shocking pictures and videos?

Is this going to lead mankind to world war III?

WTE_Moleboy
04-24-2007, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
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Will we soon see deliberate criminal acts, in order to publish shocking pictures and videos?
III?

Think this has already happened...

PBNA-Boosher
04-24-2007, 10:53 AM
Rnzoli, I agree with you entirely.

Here at college I used to try and help those that drank too much. I stopped when they kept doing it over and over again. I got the feeling they were taking advantage of my aid. However, instead of helping, most people here do prefer to take advantage of the people who need help. It's the little stuff, shaving eyebrows with guys, but with the gals it's a real risk. I must admit, I'm very scared for them. Of course, it doesn't mean I don't help them anymore, especially if they're in real trouble.

But a better story for this is one that my neighbor told me. She was getting onto a train at Grand Central Station when she noticed a man accidentally slip through the gap between the train and the platform. He was calling for help, stuck, but nobody was helping. they preferred to watch him struggle. Some took pictures. My neighbor was the only one out of the dozens on the platform that went to help him. She was eventually able to get him out after several minutes of struggling and trying to hold him up. Nobody, even during that time, came to help. Says a lot for both Amtrak and people.

Oh, and by the way, I don't believe that news agencies have that code of conduct. I seem to remember them with their helicopters during Hurricane Katrina. They may not have had the rescue training necessary to evacuate people on the roof, but you might think they would have had the common decency to lend their helicopter with its supply of fuel to the nearest crew who could. News channels here in the US don't report "news." That's the whole reason if I turn on a TV to watch the news, I turn to the BBC. I see a little less opinionation there.

LStarosta
04-24-2007, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by WTE_Moleboy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
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Will we soon see deliberate criminal acts, in order to publish shocking pictures and videos?
III?

Think this has already happened... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Reno911 is a good show.

triad773
04-24-2007, 11:13 AM
Rnzoli I have also noticed and agree. Lack of compassion, self-centredness more prevalent then ever.

People may laugh, not realizing that they are keen participants in the decline and fall of our common society.

Trying to instill a sense of conscientiousness in my step daughter. I can't know how she is when she's out with her friends, but would hope that she grasps (and rejects) the concept of 'shameful joy.'

~S~

Triad

MEGILE
04-24-2007, 11:38 AM
True You Tube has some really disturbing material.

But it also has some of the most beutiful... just search, Lesbians Kissing.

That's Good stuff.

p-11.cAce
04-24-2007, 11:52 AM
"I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint." Hesiod 700 b.c.

While I agree that our society is failing, and will fail - just as the Eqyptions, Greeks, Romans, Turks, Brits, and others once ruled the world and now are bit players. Why people should be shocked by this is beyond me. But it is not YouTube and Google that are bringing us down - once you have made everything a commodity why be surprised when all things are measured not by their moral value but by their monetary or "fame" value.

NSAdonis85
04-24-2007, 12:00 PM
Well, it just all starts to feel like Roman gladiatorial fights all over again brought to a "higher" level...i.e. the thrist for blood.

triad773
04-24-2007, 01:23 PM
Yeah its a mindset thing I think.

My step daughter is basically a good kid but the willfulness and ease of material satisfaction is seemingly overwhelming when put up against doing the right thing. Even simple things like "eat your dinner" can become (surprisingly) major conflicts.

BearCat has something that echoes this sentiment in his signature - I will attempt to paraphrase it from memory- goes like
It is easier to teach a boy then save a man.

I really feel like its a matter of time before the ritz hit the fan.

Was it the Plimsoles (or someone) in the 80's who wrote 'It's the end of the world as we know it.... but I feel fine'

Akronnick
04-24-2007, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by triad773:
Was it the Plimsoles (or someone) in the 80's who wrote 'It's the end of the world as we know it.... but I feel fine'

That would be REM.

Lenny Bruce is not afraid.

Aaron_GT
04-24-2007, 02:45 PM
It is easier to teach a boy then save a man.


Goodness, that is so true. This should be mentioned much more widely.

rnzoli
04-25-2007, 02:22 AM
Unfortunately, the following is also true:
It is easier to ignore a boy, than taking the effort to teach him.

Boosher, the story about the railway station is EXACTLY what makes me worried. For the record, I am not an aspiring superman who wants to save the world http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, I clearly understand there are times when you cannot help, because you aren't prepared for it, and trying to help would put yourself into big danger , moreover, would give more headache to the rescue teams later on).

But it is beyond my understanding, how can someone actually ENJOY watching the suffering of another human being.

Perhaps some of you remember the B-737 that crashed several years ago into the icy Potomac River in Washington. There was one woman, who was pulled close to the shore, but she was blind from jet fuel and was about to drown in front of the TV cameras. Finally a volunteer took of his coat, jumped amond the ice plates and pulled her to safety. Hats off to that man for doing this.

On the other hand, maybe the situation is not so dire anyway.
In ancient Rome, people entertained themselves how gladiators tear each other body-parts apart.
In medival times, people watched how witches are burnt alive.
In modern times, people entertain themselves by looking at how bombs blow up insurgents, or how terrorists blow up infidels (depending on which side you fight for).

So probably we have done a great deal of scientific progress around us, but unfortunately many of us remained the same malicious blood-thristy idiots that their ancestors were 100, 1000, 10000, 100000 years ago.

Whirlin_merlin
04-25-2007, 11:42 AM
Unfortunatly whilst persons are great people tend to be scum.

Oh yes and equally unfortunate its easier to shave a goat than teach a boy.

P.S yes I am a bit drunk.

general_kalle
04-25-2007, 01:57 PM
the best thing that could happen to the universe was if human kind got removed completly.
we are only doing bad things. not only to earth but also to each other.

what can we do???? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

SithSpeeder
04-25-2007, 02:03 PM
rnzoli--

I think we're in WW3 (infidels and terrorists). But it's sooooo different than WW1 or 2. It permeates everything, but has no clear boundaries or scope. IMO, I believe the average person is more self centered than ever before. You can certainly "see" more incidents of this on YouTube and such. But you can also see acts of selfless heroism and bravery if you look just a bit, too.

I also think that the communications revolution is a good thing, as information simply cannot be squelched (it can be manipulated, but not entirely squelched). Ignorance coupled with manipulation is truly a dangerous combination, but the ability to get answers nearly instantaneously is revolutionary in a good way.

Ultimately, I'm optimistic at heart and can see myself and my kids doing great things now and in the future. There are plenty of opportunities for people to step in and turn things around for the betterment of humanity. It's a paradigm shift, but I believe it is happening.

Our actions will define us. The question in my mind is: will they destroy us or lift us to new heights?

* _54th_Speeder *

p-11.cAce
04-25-2007, 02:42 PM
It permeates everything, but has no clear boundaries or scope.


War, however, is no longer the desperate, annihilating struggle that it was in the early decades of the twentieth century. It is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting and are not divided by any genuine ideological difference. This is not to say that either the conduct of war, or the prevailing attitude towards it, has become less bloodthirsty or more chivalrous. On the contrary, war hysteria is continuous and universal in all countries, and such acts as raping, looting, the slaughter of children, the reduction of whole populations to slavery, and reprisals against prisoners which extend even to boiling and burying alive, are looked upon as normal, and, when they are committed by one's own side and not by the enemy, meritorious. But in a physical sense war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly-trained specialists, and causes comparatively few casualties. The fighting, when there is any, takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at, or round the Floating Fortresses which guard strategic spots on the sea lanes. In the centres of civilization war means no more than a continuous shortage of consumption goods, and the occasional crash of a rocket bomb which may cause a few scores of deaths. War has in fact changed its character. More exactly, the reasons for which war is waged have changed in their order of importance. Motives which were already present to some small extent in the great wars of the early twentieth century have now become dominant and are consciously recognized and acted upon.


The primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the principles of doublethink, this aim is simultaneously recognized and not recognized by the directing brains of the Inner Party) is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living.

Median US income for individuals 18 years old and older in 2005 - $25,149.
Per capita GDP for ALL Americans in 2005 - $43,444.