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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:05 AM
HI,

I JUST HEARED FROM MY COLLEAGUE THAT YOU DON`T USE THE
ATI 3.8 DRIVER. THERE IS A BUG IN THE DRIVER
THAT SAYS THAT THE MONITOR HAS TO WORK WITH
200MHZ. THERE ARE NOW ABOUT 150 PC`S BURNED THROUGH.

SO I WARN YOU DONT INSTALL THE 3.8 DRIVER !!!!!!!

Rotterdam/The Netherlands

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:05 AM
HI,

I JUST HEARED FROM MY COLLEAGUE THAT YOU DON`T USE THE
ATI 3.8 DRIVER. THERE IS A BUG IN THE DRIVER
THAT SAYS THAT THE MONITOR HAS TO WORK WITH
200MHZ. THERE ARE NOW ABOUT 150 PC`S BURNED THROUGH.

SO I WARN YOU DONT INSTALL THE 3.8 DRIVER !!!!!!!

Rotterdam/The Netherlands

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:28 AM
you mean this? ---> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=12222

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:52 AM
yes i do

Rotterdam/The Netherlands

Hunter82
10-20-2003, 12:33 PM
pssstif your monitor refresh rate was forced too high you would get a black screen on start up....all you would need to do is start up in safe mode and uninstall the drivers..../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

In any event the claims are incorrect from what I am told and my 21" Viewsonic is running great on them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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LLv34_Jani
10-20-2003, 12:36 PM
acutally this has been confirmed by ATI and they suggest users rollback to 3.7.


here is a quote from Nvnews:

I was furnished with a link to this forum thread over at Short-Media. One of their moderators stated that the Catalyst 3.8 drivers are responsbile for damaging his Dell UltraScan P1110 21" monitor.

It seems like the new driver series is attempting to pass way too many unsupported resolution/refresh rates to the monitor, overloading the monitor's relay system and frying the monitor. Instead of reading the refresh rates from the PRIMARY display INF files, it is reading the SECONDARY display INF refresh rates. For those of us with only 1 monitor hooked up, there is no SECONDARY display INF refresh rate file, to the video card starts at its own highest supported refresh rate and starts passing that onto the monitor. With Radeon 9800/9700's capable of syncing @ a refresh rate of 200 Hz, that means 99% of the world's monitors are at risk of damage.

So far, a total of 183 monitors, ranging from high-end 22" Viewsonic P225F's to lowly 14" Compaq SVGA monitors have been reported as dead/damaged due to this problem. It is to be taken seriously.

I'll attest to this problem, as my Dell UltraScan P1110 21" Trinitron has been damaged due to this problem. Running the Catalyst 3.8's on my Corona system @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz and playing Unreal Tournament 2003, I exited the game and the monitor started flickering like mad, attempting to change refresh rates. After 8 unsuccessful retries, the monitor displayed the "NO VIDEO SIGNAL FROM INPUT 1" message and the power light turned orange. A burning smell was coming from the back of the monitor. Hooking the monitor up to another system proved useless, as it did not start up.



Message Edited on 10/20/0312:39PM by LLv34_Jani

Zayets
10-20-2003, 12:40 PM
Hunter must have the bug free version /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Not like I care , I still love my Ti4600 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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Hunter82
10-20-2003, 12:49 PM
no it hasn't been confirmed by ATI and nvnews is a Nvidia fanboy site...and cheesy one to boot /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Also Dell's drivers are not 'ATI' releases per say.

If it was conformed by ATI they would have pulled 3.8 from DL availability.... I'll try and get more official new from them later today.




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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 12:50 PM
LLv34_Jani wrote:
- acutally this has been confirmed by ATI and they
- suggest users rollback to 3.7.
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- here is a quote from Nvnews:
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Let me see. NVnews. NV as in NVidia? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Only 1 Ati beta tester has reported a fried monitor. And that has not been definitively linked to the GPU....

Like Hunter said (and I in another post in the tech forum) if your refresh goes out of supported range your screen will turn itself off. Most users will notice this. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There are two rumours circulating about ATI, perhaps NVidia users need to boost thier morale.

BTW.

I'm an NVidia owner /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 12:55 PM
My 9800 Pro and LG monitor seem to work fine together with their 3.8 catalyst... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Do I have to worry?



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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 04:42 PM
9700 here.CATALYST 3.8s rock steady, no problems. Had'em since the day they came out. Cheap 19inch Proview@85Hz
(I HOPE!)

Hunter82
10-20-2003, 05:07 PM
As I have said in an earlier post if the refresh rate was increased to 200 and your monitor could not support it you would get a garbled out of synch screen or black screen.

For people to even post/make articles with non-sense on refresh rates higher than the monitor can accept is funny since it would not would not work on install at a value so high over the monitor limit. In any event all that would be needed is to start in safe mode and uninstall the driver if that had happened...

No ruined monitors but probably alot of bruised egos after their screaming /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As far as core and memory temps the 3.8's are equal to the 3.7 +/- a few degrees. Some drivers like Dell and Omega based on 3.9 cat beta's (leaked dell sets) are running hotter but that's not ATI's fault if you are using them and have problems...ATI does NOT release beta sets to the public and should not be used by the average user.

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ZG77_Nagual
10-20-2003, 05:27 PM
I can confirm that drivers forcing a 200mhz refresh rate cannot possibly damage the hardware. Most monitors will give you a 'value out of range message - or simply not display or display at a lower rate anyway. I'd definitely question the credibility of a website that would post such a thing inasmuch as it shows tremendous ignorance. I suppose it might be possible to damage a monitor if there was some kind of short in the mainboard or video card that fed voltage back up through the vga cable - but I've never seen or heard of such a thing

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 06:19 PM
i dont think its the driver but i do think its the user.
im running fine with the driver and i notice better IQ in every aspect with my monitor.


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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 06:25 PM
Well the link I posted is changing and the score so far seems to be swinging in ATI's favour.

Fun story to watch from sideline. I should be upgrading soon to Ti4x000 or 9200 or something I dunno.

Yeah NVnews is Nvida.

LLv34_Jani
10-20-2003, 08:11 PM
- Let me see. NVnews. NV as in NVidia? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

If you bother to check all the major 3D sites you will see the warnings on all of them and YES it has been confirmed by ATI in an interview with ATI at www.guru3d.com (http://www.guru3d.com).

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 08:22 PM
Be careful with new or beta drivers from ANY company. many times the 'first' to use them are the first to have major problems that are fixed in updates etc. Just be careful.

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 08:47 PM
Heres my facts:


The secondary monitor refresh rate defaults to 30 Hertz interlace. I don't have secondary monitor and thats what it reports in the monitor tab on display options.

It also limits the max refresh rate to the Primary Display (mine is DDI Compliant so thats 120Hertz maximum with the option to disable refresh rates disabled that can damage a monitor. That may be due to the fact the primary monitor has this enabled and is making it a rule for the secondary monitor.


Thats With Cat 3.8 loaded and ATI 9700pro and KDS 19" monitor encountered zero problems.

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 09:00 PM
The quote below is invalid-no sources-and no truth to it-who's monitors were they-were they tested to make sure they really burned out (and like ATI is saying):

From Chris Hook of ATI:

"In XP and 2K, we don't have access to monitor INF information in our driver component that manages display capability. We have never used monitor information. We rely on EDID data or user override information to determine monitor capability. Even though OS may use the monitor information to expose high refresh rate based on monitor INF content, driver always restricts the actual refresh rate going to the monitor based on EDID or the user override. i.e. user may be able to select from OS controlled monitor page (in advanced property pages) a high refresh rate but internally driver will restrict the refresh rate going to the monitor based on EDID information or user override information. If user set the override information incorrectly then incompatible signals would sent to the monitor.

In 9x, we can access monitor INF information but due to issues with how OS maps the INF to a monitor, we had disabled reading the monitor INF via registry. Unless someone changes the registry setting for this in 9x, they would not run into any monitor INF related issues."

Pretty cut and dry to me: There is NO WAY in windows XP that you can overrun the monitor unless you used some sort of refresh override program(and then it isn't ATI's problem it's yours).



"It seems like the new driver series is attempting to pass way too many unsupported resolution/refresh rates to the monitor, overloading the monitor's relay system and frying the monitor. Instead of reading the refresh rates from the PRIMARY display INF files, it is reading the SECONDARY display INF refresh rates. For those of us with only 1 monitor hooked up, there is no SECONDARY display INF refresh rate file, to the video card starts at its own highest supported refresh rate and starts passing that onto the monitor. With Radeon 9800/9700's capable of syncing @ a refresh rate of 200 Hz, that means 99% of the world's monitors are at risk of damage.

So far, a total of 183 monitors, ranging from high-end 22" Viewsonic P225F's to lowly 14" Compaq SVGA monitors have been reported as dead/damaged due to this problem. It is to be taken seriously.

I'll attest to this problem, as my Dell UltraScan P1110 21" Trinitron has been damaged due to this problem. Running the Catalyst 3.8's on my Corona system @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz and playing Unreal Tournament 2003, I exited the game and the monitor started flickering like mad, attempting to change refresh rates. After 8 unsuccessful retries, the monitor displayed the "NO VIDEO SIGNAL FROM INPUT 1" message and the power light turned orange. A burning smell was coming from the back of the monitor. Hooking the monitor up to another system proved useless, as it did not start up."


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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 09:00 PM
Even though fanATIcs get on my nerves, I thought I'd post this before one of my sim-brotheren gets burned by an ATI product.

Luckily, NVidia makes fantastic alternatives to ATI's low-quality products.

While we're not quite sure what part of the Catalyst 3.8 drivers are causing this, some part of the driver (whether it's the new VPU Recovery feature, HyperZ Enhancements or the ATI Overclocking software) is causing the core on BBA and OEM Radeon cards that are identified as "RADEON 9800 XT", "RADEON 9800 PRO" and "RADEON 9800" in Windows to have their GPU's overheat by as much as 15*C over normal during 3D graphics sessions. This has caused a number of fans on the Radeon 9800 XT series to fail, allowing the heat to completely destroy the card.

This news is especially important for individuals who performed the 9800 to 9800 Pro BIOS flash and did not include additional cooling on your card, as the GPU is already overclocked and producing more heat than normal.

As a safety precaution, I am strongly encouraging that anyone with any of the affected cards above roll their drivers back to the Omega Catalyst 3.7 drivers or the ATI Catalyst 3.7 drivers, as they are verified not to cause this overheating issue.

I did some testing with my Radeon 9800 NP BIOS-flashed to a 9800 Pro. The results are not encouraging.

Running looping 3DMark2003 for 30 minutes and utilizing a temperature probe on my GPU (regular cooling), the following temperatures were recorded:

Catalyst 3.8: 135 Fahrenheit
Catalyst 3.7: 117 Fahrenheit
The heatsink on my Sapphire Atlantis 9800 was so hot during the Catalyst 3.8 test that I burnt my hand when I accidently touched it.

2) The Catalyst 3.8's seem to have a bug in some systems that allows the driver to process the SECONDARY adapter settings when a game is started and tries to switch to the resolution and refresh rate specified in the program.

Normally, the card is limited by the INF file settings for the PRIMARY adapter, so that no resolution or refresh rate is attempted that is beyond the capability of the monitor hardware. But in the 3.8's, it seems to be processing the SECONDARY adapter settings first. In a system without a monitor plugged into the second adapter, there is no INF file limiting refresh rates and resolutions, so, the system is trying to force refresh rates and resolutions beyond what the monitor on the PRIMARY adapter is capable of.

So instead of having the monitor "flicker" once when it switches to the desired resolution/refresh, monitors are "flickering" between 4 and 8 times, with resolutions and refresh rates that are beyond the capability of the actual monitor. As a result, some monitors have been damaged, while others have blinked out and recovered. Some users monitors are under warranty and can be RMA'd, but for those who don't have a monitor under warranty, their monitor is damaged and they must buy a new one.


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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 09:06 PM
DriverHaven's Test turned out MUCH Differntly-their results are showing that the 3.8s RUN COOLER than the other series drivers: www.driverhaven.com (http://www.driverhaven.com)


Your quote has been proven to be FUD already Baldie.


I myself run a sapphire flashed 9800non pro at 440/401 with stock cooling and have been running it like this since the cat 3.8s came out:

AND my monitor hasn't exploded
And my 9800hasn't melted down-far from it /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


It's funny how when the fx cards started burning up because of 3d screensavers none of us ATI fellas posted 5 times daily that FX cards are burning up you see what crap they are."

I don't see why you nvidiots like to bash ATI any chance you can get-I guess just immaturity but it still is beyond me.

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Message Edited on 10/20/0301:07PM by Rogodin

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 09:26 PM
Oh well.

http://www.guru3d.com/news.php#641

Thanks for the kind words Rogodin.

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Hunter82
10-20-2003, 09:31 PM
ATI SPEAK: CATALYST 3.8 - The TRUTH not the Rumours
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2003
at 7:24 PM by Zardon - View Article Comments


Terry Makedon and Chris Hook from ATI have posted a reply to statements made recently regarding problems with Cat 3.8 overheating and all sorts of other claims, you can read and discuss in This thread

RESPONSE TO ALLEGED MONITOR FAILURE ISSUE
We have spent a great deal of time trying to reproduce this problem and analyzing our driver code. There is nothing in our driver code that has changed since CAT 3.7 to CAT 3.8 that could possibly cause this behaviour. We believe that our drivers are not causing these alleged problems.
We do not currently believe these stories are valid. We have already confirmed that of the nearly 100 OEM customer programs have asked for and received this driver, we have received no reports on any such problem from the OEMs. We have also run comprehensive QA tests on the driver before releasing it and have had no cases of failed monitors.
Since we announced CATALYST 3.8 on October 8th, we have recorded hundreds of thousands of downloads, and thus far there have been absolutely no reports whatsoever to ATI's Customer Support department to report monitors failing.

TECHNICAL REBUTTAL OF MONITOR FAILURE ALLEGATIONS
There have been many posts in the forums discussing this issue, it seems it is a common theory, picked up from one place and keep being circulated. One such theory suggests the following:
"Instead of reading the refresh rates from the PRIMARY display INF files, it is reading the SECONDARY display INF refresh rates."
In XP and 2K, we don't have access to monitor INF information in our driver component that manages display capability. We have never used this monitor information for any purpose. We rely on EDID data or user override information to determine monitor capability. Even though the OS may use the monitor information to expose high refresh rate based on monitor INF content, the driver always restricts the actual refresh rate going to the monitor based on EDID or the user override. In essence, the user may be able to select from OS controlled monitor page (in advanced property pages) a high refresh rate but internally driver will restrict the refresh rate going to the monitor based on EDID information or user override information. If user set the override information incorrectly then incompatible signals would be sent to the monitor.
In 9x, we can access monitor INF information but due to issues with how OS maps the INF to a monitor, we had disabled reading the monitor INF via registry. Unless someone deliberately changes the registry setting for this in 9x, they would not run into any monitor INF related issues.

RESPONSE TO ALLEGED HARDWARE OVERHEATING ISSUE
We have spent a great deal of time analyzing the temperatures due to the CATALYST 3.8 drivers. We do not under any circumstance see anything near a 10 degree Celsius increase in temperature (but we don't overclock our test cards either). We do see a slight increase in temperature in certain cases (3Dmark2003 Nature Scene for example). However any temperature increase is well within our safety range. Investigation continues and we are trying to determine why this change in temperature exits. At this point we are reproducing individual driver packages with code being checked in and measuring the temperature. However nothing shows the alleged increase in temperature. One independent website (DriverHeaven.net) even tried to reproduce this issue, and found no measurable difference in temperature between CATALYST 3.7 and 3.8.

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Hunter82
10-20-2003, 09:37 PM
Guru 3d is a great website if you're an Nvidia fan /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



BaldieJr wrote:
- Oh well.
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- http://www.guru3d.com/news.php#641
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- Thanks for the kind words Rogodin.


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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 09:51 PM
Baldie, what was I supposed to see at guru3d?

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 09:59 PM
hunter iv been waiting for this to all clear up and still have my 3.7 ..........if you say the 3.8 is ok ill go get em , iv seen reports of 4-5 fps increase, is that substantiated? thanks.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:21 PM
Been using the 3.8s since release, without seeing anything like what has been reported here and elsewhere. IMHO beware of trolls and forum mass hysteria. Monitors do fail, but I'd look for other reasons than ATI's WHQL certified drivers.

The only problem I have with the 3.8s is that "Perfect" mode is slightly broken, with the whole flashing triangles thing. Known issue, and no big deal, for me at least.

XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:21 PM
Hunter do you suppose it could be the omega/dell version of the 3.8 drivers thats cuaseing all this talk about heat and so on?

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Hunter82
10-20-2003, 10:37 PM
it could be since the monitors are usually Dell that are supposedly blowing up

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:42 PM
Trouble as usual?

Thanks to Catalyst 3.8, I cancelled my plan to purchase 9700pro and go for 5900ultra. Their driver never get better and don't support Linux properly. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

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Message Edited on 10/21/0306:45AM by TooCooL34

Hunter82
10-20-2003, 10:47 PM
the just started a Linux team I believe....
TooCooL34 wrote:
- Trouble as usual?
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- Thanks to Catalyst 3.8, I cancelled my plan to
- purchase 9700pro and go for 5900ultra. Their driver
- never get better and don't support Linux properly.
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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:56 PM
Seems like most of this is hearsay and bullcrap spread from a single unqualified source. Remember not to believe everything you hear at face value.

Seems like there is some kind of issue but it may be related or not related specifically to Catalyst 3.8. I haven't switched yet because I've heard of some issues with FB and pefect mode. Plus 3.7's work like a charm.

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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 10:57 PM
Hunter82 wrote:
- the just started a Linux team I believe....


Yeah, I'm a sarcastic noob. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-sad.gif


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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 11:05 PM
ATI's official response:

"RESPONSE TO ALLEGED MONITOR FAILURE ISSUE

We have spent a great deal of time trying to reproduce this problem and analyzing our driver code. There is nothing in our driver code that has changed since CAT 3.7 to CAT 3.8 that could possibly cause this behaviour. We believe that our drivers are not causing these alleged problems.

We do not currently believe these stories are valid. We have already confirmed that of the nearly 100 OEM customer programs have asked for and received this driver, we have received no reports on any such problem from the OEMs. We have also run comprehensive QA tests on the driver before releasing it and have had no cases of failed monitors.

Since we announced CATALYST 3.8 on October 8th, we have recorded hundreds of thousands of downloads, and thus far there have been absolutely no reports whatsoever to ATI's Customer Support department to report monitors failing."


I knew it was BS when I first read the post-no sources quoted and as INVALID as possible.

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Hunter82
10-20-2003, 11:06 PM
If you have an ATI card try getting on the beta team....I`m serious if you like linux for things...it may help out /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 11:15 PM
Roger, Hunter. Now I'm considering 9700pro again. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-20-2003, 11:17 PM
What?

No RBJ in this thread?

That's odd.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 03:42 AM
-- What?
-- No RBJ in this thread?
-- That's odd.

His 3.8 driver blew his monitor. OMGsmileyface.rbj

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 05:32 AM
OMG!
LIKE LET ME TELL YOU GUYS THAT EATING POP ROCKS WILL MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE!!!!!!!111
i SWEAR!!!!
i SAW THIS GUY EAT THREE PACKS IN A ROW AND HIS HEAD BLEW OFF RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!!111!!!!
hONEST INJUN!!!!
tHIS aTi STUFF MUST BE REAL!!!11!!!!
Or not....

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 05:57 AM
Carnage.Asada wrote:
- OMG!
- LIKE LET ME TELL YOU GUYS THAT EATING POP ROCKS WILL
- MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE!!!!!!!111
- i SWEAR!!!!
- i SAW THIS GUY EAT THREE PACKS IN A ROW AND HIS HEAD
- BLEW OFF RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!!111!!!!
- hONEST INJUN!!!!
- tHIS aTi STUFF MUST BE REAL!!!11!!!!
- Or not....
-
- http://www.alaskagentleman.com/images/Carnage.gif

whis is this guy??
i think his keyboard is broken and the worst thing is i would not be able to eat for atleast 3 days after seeing his sig



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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:01 AM
Mod. Show your power. Ban that a$$hole now. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-indifferent.gif

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Hawgdog
10-21-2003, 06:04 AM
Carnage.Asada wrote:
- OMG!
- LIKE LET ME TELL YOU GUYS THAT EATING POP ROCKS WILL
- MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE!!!!!!!111


Ah, some of CWOS's finest

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:29 AM
I think Carnage is really someone from Alaska whose name starts with a "T"...

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 07:27 AM
I have a Dell Trinitron monitor, Radeon 9500, and Omega 3.8's. No problems, best frame rates to date.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 07:37 AM
wonder if billgates has ever have a girl

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 02:00 PM
Are you guys going to keep posting that text or are you going to provide a link to ATI's site providing an official "all clear" message?

Scary stuff, this whole overheating thing. I suspect that the issue is not as dangerous as some would want to believe, but at the same time, I have my doubts about ATI's abilites.

The message is clear... ATI can't provide quality equipment due to shoddy drivers.

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 02:24 PM
DELL monitors LOL DELL PCS LOLLLLLLLLLL


http://www.rage3d.com/

Heres a great websight for Facts not fiction.



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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 03:14 PM
TooCooL34 wrote:
- Trouble as usual?
-
- Thanks to Catalyst 3.8, I cancelled my plan to
- purchase 9700pro and go for 5900ultra. Their driver
- never get better and don't support Linux properly.

Hey TooCooL34, what exactly do you mean by "Their [ATI] driver
- never get better and don't support Linux properly." ?

I run Red Hat Linux 9.0 in a second hard disk in my box since I like to develop on it (I only keep Window$ around for gaming). ATI's latest Linux drivers installed and run flawlessly in my machine with an All-In-Wonder 9700pro.

I used to own an NVidia Geforce4Ti4200 128Mb a couple months ago and then switched to a GeforceFX5600. Used to run Linux with both NVidia cards and their linux drivers worked flawlessly too, the only thing missing was support for Antialiasing and Anisotropic Filtering in Mesa3D, but since I don't do gaming in Linux I had no problem with it, although I did get 2D and 3D acceleration enabled (tested with the UT2003 demo for Linux). Ah, almost forgot, there was no support for a second monitor or a TV out display even though both cards featured that (and I used secondary display in Windows and TV out for watching DvDs.)

Well, about a month and a half ago, I returned the GeforceFX5600 due to crappy 3D performance (even the older 4200 beat it sometimes) and switched to the already mentioned ATI AIW9700pro, but was a little reluctant to go the ATI way since I too heard the rumors about ATI's lack of support for Linux, so I first checked ATI's website and did find a complete set of Linux drivers there, so I switched.

ATI's Linux drivers actually beat NVidia's in both, 3D performance and feature set, and now I even have TV out enabled in Linux so I can watch DvDs on my TV!!!.

Bottom line, don't believe everything you hear or read on the Internet, do some research and draw your own conclusions.

And as far as I know, my 17" Samsung LCD hasn't exploded yet and my AIW9700pro hasn't melted either (using Cat3.8s of course)

tata.





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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 04:12 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- Are you guys going to keep posting that text or are
- you going to provide a link to ATI's site providing
- an official "all clear" message?
-
- Scary stuff, this whole overheating thing. I suspect
- that the issue is not as dangerous as some would
- want to believe, but at the same time, I have my
- doubts about ATI's abilites.
-
- The message is clear... ATI can't provide quality
- equipment due to shoddy drivers.

Are you really that dense?

These quotes come from people who work for ATI.

The loudest crying about the so called problems come from Guru3D and NV News, both Nvidia sites.

I also run the 3.8 drivers on a Radeon 9700 Pro and both my card and monitor are still functioning normally.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 04:37 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- BaldieJr wrote:
-- Are you guys going to keep posting that text or are
-- you going to provide a link to ATI's site providing
-- an official "all clear" message?
--
-- Scary stuff, this whole overheating thing. I suspect
-- that the issue is not as dangerous as some would
-- want to believe, but at the same time, I have my
-- doubts about ATI's abilites.
--
-- The message is clear... ATI can't provide quality
-- equipment due to shoddy drivers.
-
- Are you really that dense?

I guess I am. Are you always this rude?


- These quotes come from people who work for ATI.


President Bush said today:
"All flight-sim junkies shall be hit on the head with a wiffle-ball bat untill they purchase an ATI card".

Since you read it on this forum, it must be true.

-
- The loudest crying about the so called problems come
- from Guru3D and NV News, both Nvidia sites.

Perhaps noone should post potential issues in the future? I'm sure ATI would like that.

Myself, I rather have 100 false alarms than a burned out card/monitor.

- I also run the 3.8 drivers on a Radeon 9700 Pro and
- both my card and monitor are still functioning
- normally.
-
-

Well thats great. My NVidia is running fine too, but we all knew that... it always does.

I don't understand why ATI owners are always so defensive. Its rather odd consumer behavior, if you ask me. I wonder if the package art contains some sort of subliminal message that programs the consumer to become gollum-like whenever there is a potential tarnishing of ATI's name.

Class action lawsuit anyone?

I love these threads, really.

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 04:38 PM
LLv34_Jani wrote:
-
- I'll attest to this problem, as my Dell UltraScan
- P1110 21" Trinitron has been damaged due to this
- problem. Running the Catalyst 3.8's on my Corona
- system @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz and playing Unreal
- Tournament 2003, I exited the game and the monitor
- started flickering like mad, attempting to change
- refresh rates. After 8 unsuccessful retries, the
- monitor displayed the "NO VIDEO SIGNAL FROM INPUT 1"
- message and the power light turned orange. A burning
- smell was coming from the back of the monitor.
- Hooking the monitor up to another system proved
- useless, as it did not start up.


Sh*t, I wont let that thing anywhere NEAR my config, I have the same monitor.. don`t want it die, it`s such a good one.



Vezérünk a Bátorság, K*sérµnk a Szerencse!
(Courage leads, Luck escorts us! - Historical motto of the 101st Puma Fighter Regiment)

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 04:51 PM
I'll attest to this sounding like BS. I've also got a Dell UltraScan P1110 21" and I've been running 3.8s since they came out. I've experienced no extra heating or problems with my monitor whatsoever.


Vo101_Isegrim wrote:
-
- LLv34_Jani wrote:
--
-- I'll attest to this problem, as my Dell UltraScan
-- P1110 21" Trinitron has been damaged due to this
-- problem. Running the Catalyst 3.8's on my Corona
-- system @ 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz and playing Unreal
-- Tournament 2003, I exited the game and the monitor
-- started flickering like mad, attempting to change
-- refresh rates. After 8 unsuccessful retries, the
-- monitor displayed the "NO VIDEO SIGNAL FROM INPUT 1"
-- message and the power light turned orange. A burning
-- smell was coming from the back of the monitor.
-- Hooking the monitor up to another system proved
-- useless, as it did not start up.
-
-
- Sh*t, I wont let that thing anywhere NEAR my config,
- I have the same monitor.. don`t want it die, it`s
- such a good one.
-
-
-
- Vezérünk a Bátorság, K*sérµnk a Szerencse!
- (Courage leads, Luck escorts us! - Historical motto
- of the 101st Puma Fighter Regiment)
-
- Flight tests and other aviation performance data:
- http://www.pbase.com/isegrim

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 05:10 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
-Nonsense

So basicly what we have here is a classic troll.

You don't own a ATI card, you have no experience with the catalyst driver but somehow your statements are completely true because it was found on some Nvidia fanboy forum.

ATI Officials have made several statements on other forums but according to you they are not official because they are not made on the official ATI website.

Well, try to digest this then, the ATI website doesn't have a forum so they make these statements on forums that are hosted by ATI related sites since most ATI users hang around there.
On top of that, if this was a serious bug in the drivers then why are they still there for all people to download?

Your just like RBJ when it comes to tech stuff.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 05:22 PM
Baldie

Just keep quite if you can't post anything constructive-for your info though the quote above IS an OFFICIAL ATI RESPONSE/RELEASE regarding the issue.

Rogo

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 05:53 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- BaldieJr wrote:
--Nonsense
-
- So basicly what we have here is a classic troll.
-
- You don't own a ATI card, you have no experience
- with the catalyst driver but somehow your statements
- are completely true because it was found on some
- Nvidia fanboy forum.

Yes I do own an ATI card: It happens to be in a static bag on the top shelf over-looking my NVidia equiped gaming rig.

By the way, when exactly did rage3d.com become an NVidia fanboi site? They've got a blurb posted on thier frontpage thats supposedly from an ATI spokesman. They've also got a VERY LONG thread in thier forums that just happens to be comments from angered ATI purchasers. Rage3d happens to be an ATI product, but you newcomers-to-gaming hardware probably don't remember those old cards.

- ATI Officials have made several statements on other
- forums but according to you they are not official
- because they are not made on the official ATI
- website.

Right. If ATI weren't so bust hyping/selling thier products on thier site, they'd post SOMETHING there for the consumer. I have a feeling they are hiding something. Why not post news on thier main site? You KNOW they must be getting increased traffic due to all of this. Too busy trying to make a sale to inform the public with an official statement? I guess ATI engineers have to eat too.

- Well, try to digest this then, the ATI website
- doesn't have a forum so they make these statements
- on forums that are hosted by ATI related sites since
- most ATI users hang around there.
- On top of that, if this was a serious bug in the
- drivers then why are they still there for all people
- to download?

Because ATI has always been slow to recognize issues with thier products. There is nothing new about this fact.

And why doesn't ATI have a user forum? I guess they just don't want user comments on thier site. I can't say that I blame them.

- Your just like RBJ when it comes to tech stuff.

Yep. RBJ and I share the same (wisely held) distrust of ATI.

The message is clear: ATI can't produce a quality product.

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 05:55 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- Are you guys going to keep posting that text or are
- you going to provide a link to ATI's site providing
- an official "all clear" message?
-
- Scary stuff, this whole overheating thing. I suspect
- that the issue is not as dangerous as some would
- want to believe, but at the same time, I have my
- doubts about ATI's abilites.
-
- The message is clear... ATI can't provide quality
- equipment due to shoddy drivers.

stop living in your own world Sir!!
there is a reality world OUTTHERE, don't lock-up your self in your own cell

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:16 PM
-
--
-- BaldieJr wrote:
---Nonsense
--
-- So basicly what we have here is a classic troll.
--
-- You don't own a ATI card, you have no experience
-- with the catalyst driver but somehow your statements
-- are completely true because it was found on some
-- Nvidia fanboy forum.
-
- Yes I do own an ATI card: It happens to be in a
- static bag on the top shelf over-looking my NVidia
- equiped gaming rig.
-
- By the way, when exactly did rage3d.com become an
- NVidia fanboi site? They've got a blurb posted on
- thier frontpage thats supposedly from an ATI
- spokesman. They've also got a VERY LONG thread in
- thier forums that just happens to be comments from
- angered ATI purchasers. Rage3d happens to be an ATI
- product, but you newcomers-to-gaming hardware
- probably don't remember those old cards.
-
-- ATI Officials have made several statements on other
-- forums but according to you they are not official
-- because they are not made on the official ATI
-- website.


-
- Right. If ATI weren't so bust hyping/selling thier
- products on thier site, they'd post SOMETHING there
- for the consumer. I have a feeling they are hiding
- something. Why not post news on thier main site? You
- KNOW they must be getting increased traffic due to
- all of this. Too busy trying to make a sale to
- inform the public with an official statement? I
- guess ATI engineers have to eat too.

KUDOS TO ATI FOR TRYING TO HYPE AND SELL THEIR PRODUCT
-
-- Well, try to digest this then, the ATI website
-- doesn't have a forum so they make these statements
-- on forums that are hosted by ATI related sites since
-- most ATI users hang around there.
-- On top of that, if this was a serious bug in the
-- drivers then why are they still there for all people
-- to download?

I CHECKED THE NVIDIA SITE AND DIDN'T SEE A FORUM THERE EITER. CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO THE NVIDIA SITE FORUM?


- Because ATI has always been slow to recognize issues
- with thier products. There is nothing new about this
- fact.
SEEMS TO ME ATI'S RESPONSE TO THESE ACCUSATIONS HAS BEEN VERY TIMELY.
- And why doesn't ATI have a user forum? I guess they
- just don't want user comments on thier site. I can't
- say that I blame them.


AGAIN MAYBE I AM NOT LOOKING CORRECTLY BUT CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO THE NVIDA FORUM ON THE NVIDA SITE NOT AN NVIDIA LINK TO AN EXTERNAL WEBSITE THAT IS NOT RUN BY NVIDA


-- Your just like RBJ when it comes to tech stuff.
-
- Yep. RBJ and I share the same (wisely held) distrust
- of ATI.
-
- The message is clear: ATI can't produce a quality
- product.



THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS A VERY GENERALIZED COMMENT. YOU ARE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO YOUR OPINION HOWEVER THE FACTS AND REALITY MAKE YOUR COMMENT COMPELTELY UNTRUE.
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Message Edited on 10/21/0301:17PM by dragonhart38

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:21 PM
I had nothing but trouble with the 3.8 drivers also. I have an older 64meg 7200, and I had to go back to 3.7. Atrocious frame rates in FB, never got over 9fps, and this was with lowered settings across the board. This was a real disappointment as I was hoping for better performance with 3.8. Oh well, it is not the first time I've gotten a set of drivers that didn't work well. I'll just wait for 3.9 and keep my fingers crossed.

Z

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:31 PM
Zekeman, i think you might be out of luck, since you have pretty old card

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:33 PM
Dayak wrote:
- Zekeman, i think you might be out of luck, since you
- have pretty old card
-
- The Sun is Gone
- But I Have a Light
- <CENTER>http://images.flagspot.net/i/id%5eaforo.gif

LOL, I kinda reached that point a while ago. Thanks for the sympathy.

Z

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:39 PM
hi,
When i had installed 3.8 my monitor was frying
for a second and it smelled like a iron.
But untill now my monitor still works fine.

Rotterdam/The Netherlands

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:45 PM
WWSensei wrote:
- I'll attest to this sounding like BS. I've also got
- a Dell UltraScan P1110 21" and I've been running
- 3.8s since they came out. I've experienced no extra
- heating or problems with my monitor whatsoever.

Maybe true, maybe not.

Worth risking an 1000 USD monitor to test it for absolutely no real gain ? No. I won`t miss 3.8 at all.



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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 06:49 PM
hornetsting wrote:
- hi,
- When i had installed 3.8 my monitor was frying
- for a second and it smelled like a iron.
- But untill now my monitor still works fine.
-
- Rotterdam/The Netherlands

i take it as its only your illusion.
if you really smelled the burn and you knew your monitor was fried its dead alright.


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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 07:28 PM
Check this guys


http://www.mudmovers.com/Sims/FB/ati_speak.htm

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 07:43 PM
BaldieJr wrote:
- By the way, when exactly did rage3d.com become an
- NVidia fanboi site? They've got a blurb posted on
- thier frontpage thats supposedly from an ATI
- spokesman. They've also got a VERY LONG thread in
- thier forums that just happens to be comments from
- angered ATI purchasers. Rage3d happens to be an ATI
- product, but you newcomers-to-gaming hardware
- probably don't remember those old cards.

Hello?
Anybody home?

I said Guru3D, not Rage3D.

And my first graphics card was a Diamond Stealth I 2MB card, top of the line back then.
Before that I played games on a 486 and before that on my trusty Atari 800XL with a data recorder.



Message Edited on 10/21/0307:47PM by Cappadocian_317

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 07:53 PM
hornetsting wrote:
- hi,
- When i had installed 3.8 my monitor was frying
- for a second and it smelled like a iron.
- But untill now my monitor still works fine.
-
- Rotterdam/The Netherlands

That's most likely dust in your monitor since an iron is usually used to iron fabric and not plastic.
If your monitor was really frying it would smell like burned plastic and you would be in line of the support desk in the store where you bought it.

Groeten uit Eindhoven.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 08:15 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
-
- hornetsting wrote:
-- hi,
-- When i had installed 3.8 my monitor was frying
-- for a second and it smelled like a iron.
-- But untill now my monitor still works fine.
--
-- Rotterdam/The Netherlands
-
- That's most likely dust in your monitor since an
- iron is usually used to iron fabric and not plastic.
- If your monitor was really frying it would smell
- like burned plastic and you would be in line of the
- support desk in the store where you bought it.
-

http://slot-tech-ftp.serveftp.com:8080/monitors/High%20Voltage%20Units/flyback%20derived%20power%20supplies/flyback%20derived%20power%20supplies.htm

Here is a quote:
Instead of the heavy, laminated iron core that is used in an isolation transformer, the flyback transformer uses a lightweight material called "ferrite." Ferrite is a type of iron impregnated, ceramic material.

http://slot-tech-ftp.serveftp.com:8080/monitors/High%20Voltage%20Units/flyback%20derived%20power%20supplies/flyback.jpg

Some nice iron-core inductors that might be used in various filter circuits within your monitor:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showprod.cfm?DID=7&CATID=48&ObjectGroup_ID=283

The following link describes building a power supply to power a peltier cooler (you ATI fans may need one of these since the 3.8 driver release). It consists of circuitry that is very much like the power supply in any monitor. You may notice that it includes an iron-core transformer.

http://www.overclockers.com/tips1054/index02.asp

The message is clear... iron is in your monitor and ATI intends to spark it up.

;-)

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XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 08:34 PM
- The message is clear... iron is in your monitor and
- ATI intends to spark it up.
-
- ;-)


Good lord, do you actually believe your own tripe? I've owned both nVidia and ATI. My main gaming rig is an ATI card. A 9700 Pro running 3.8 with the same aforementioned Dell monitor that so many have alleged is causing problems. Haven't had a single issue with it. Not one. No overheat, no blown monitor (which would be damn hard for a video card to do since the same Dell monitor is built to prevent such overdriving.)

It's pure BS. People are going to start blaming everything under the sun because of an outright lie.

The so called "facts" in the original post are so full of crap to anyone who knows even the slightest bit about computer electronics.

This has as much crediability as the world being flat. But then again there are idiots who believe that too...and now we see the "me too" crowd eager to look like they know something claiming "I tried and it looked like it started to fry my monitor so I stopped it"... Oh yeah, right. Call it like I see. Bull. Feces. Big pile...



Message Edited on 10/21/0304:38PM by WWSensei

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 08:40 PM
The message is clear, BaldieJr has nothing constructive to add in this topic due to lack of knowledge on the current subject but likes to keep on trolling around anyway because his pride got hurt somewhere along the line with a bad ATI product he once bought, because of this he got into a bad mood and his dog ran away, never to be seen again and his girlfriend left him for someone with an Nvidia card, he then ran to the store with tears in his eyes and bought a Nvidia card as well but she would not take him back because her new boyfriend had a faster Nvidia card, this left BaldieJr a bitter man and swore on his life to get back at ATI for messing up his perfect happy life.

XyZspineZyX
10-21-2003, 08:48 PM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
- The message is clear, BaldieJr has nothing
- constructive to add in this topic due to lack of
- knowledge on the current subject but likes to keep
- on trolling around anyway because his pride got hurt
- somewhere along the line with a bad ATI product he
- once bought, because of this he got into a bad mood
- and his dog ran away, never to be seen again and his
- girlfriend left him for someone with an Nvidia card,
- he then ran to the store with tears in his eyes and
- bought a Nvidia card as well but she would not take
- him back because her new boyfriend had a faster
- Nvidia card, this left BaldieJr a bitter man and
- swore on his life to get back at ATI for messing up
- his perfect happy life.
-



.......Ahmen.....







Message Edited on 10/21/0303:56PM by dragonhart38

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 12:44 AM
WWSensei wrote:
-- -
- It's pure BS. People are going to start blaming
- everything under the sun because of an outright lie.
-
-

Personally, I blame Dub...

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:57 AM
You can buy and run whatever you want baldie but the men with wisdom know that nidia only want's to screw the concsumer (lowering IQ while inflating benchmark scores-plus their algo for AF is too adaptive in MO and their supersampling has yet to come close to ati).

But I still give them a chance, I've built 2 rigs with the 5900nonU.

But to start a "witch hunt" because of invalid claims is simply IGNORANT-especially if your conclusion is: "ati builds shoddy hardware."

That is both inane and immature /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

rogo

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 03:13 AM
Cappadocian_317 wrote:
- The message is clear, BaldieJr has nothing
- constructive to add in this topic due to lack of
- knowledge on the current subject but likes to keep
- on trolling around anyway because his pride got hurt
- somewhere along the line with a bad ATI product he
- once bought, because of this he got into a bad mood
- and his dog ran away, never to be seen again and his
- girlfriend left him for someone with an Nvidia card,
- he then ran to the store with tears in his eyes and
- bought a Nvidia card as well but she would not take
- him back because her new boyfriend had a faster
- Nvidia card, this left BaldieJr a bitter man and
- swore on his life to get back at ATI for messing up
- his perfect happy life.
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-


LOL, you crack me up


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But I Have a Light
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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 04:55 AM
WWRenevant wrote:
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- WWSensei wrote:
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-- It's pure BS. People are going to start blaming
-- everything under the sun because of an outright lie.
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- Personally, I blame Dub...
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I suspect this Dub fella as well..
Moderators, please ban this Dub fella ASAP as he is responsible for many monitors being destroyed. I hear he hangs with this other "guy" named goober.

PS. Please dont eat pop rocks,
Thanks you.

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XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 11:48 AM
to late for me I did and now have one dead iiyama 21inch
and a 9700 pro with the heatsink hanging of waiting for ati to fix.
I dont know if it was the drivers or not but with all the emails it could be!!!!!

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 01:13 PM
I naver had an ATI card before last saturday when I fitted a9600PRO.

It was fine on the 3.7 driver it cme with, but I installed 3.8 and after a while I got two straight diagonal lines at a shallow angle just above the task bar, the curser reflected in them.

I never saw any screen corruption in five years with PCs and now I have 3.7 again it's gone.

So there's something wrong and I will wait for the next drivers now.

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 02:11 PM
Carnage.Asada wrote:
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- WWRenevant wrote:
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-- WWSensei wrote:
---- -
--- It's pure BS. People are going to start blaming
--- everything under the sun because of an outright lie.
---
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-- Personally, I blame Dub...
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- I suspect this Dub fella as well..
- Moderators, please ban this Dub fella ASAP as he is
- responsible for many monitors being destroyed. I
- hear he hangs with this other "guy" named goober.
-


Yeah i think i saw that Dub guy running with Goober as well. They had solder guns, alligator clips and magic fairy dust. They were singing..

Bye bye all you Dell Monitiors gonna blow you up and blame on the CAT 3.8 Drivers. Them crazy nuts are calling ATI When all along it was Gobber and this Dub guy. All along it was Goober and this Dub guy!!!

This community would be doing it's self a favor by being proactive and banning Dub before he does some real damage!!!

muuhhhaaa

S!

Taco

Tis far better to burn out than to Fade AWAY!!!

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:05 PM
Magic Fairy Dust?

I better check..... damn! I shoulda known that lock wasn't gonna hold!

We'll see them after they run out, when they come down hard. Maybe have to pick them up from the hospital or jail, I just dunno.

Yup, it's all Dub's fault as usual. Good spot, Dee.


WWMG

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:19 PM
WWMaxGunz wrote:
- Magic Fairy Dust?
-
- I better check..... damn! I shoulda known that lock
- wasn't gonna hold!
-
- We'll see them after they run out, when they come
- down hard. Maybe have to pick them up from the
- hospital or jail, I just dunno.
-
- Yup, it's all Dub's fault as usual. Good spot, Dee.
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- WWMG
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Thanks. Just doing my part as anybody would...

XyZspineZyX
10-22-2003, 09:19 PM
WWMaxGunz wrote:
- Magic Fairy Dust?
-
- I better check..... damn! I shoulda known that lock
- wasn't gonna hold!
-
- We'll see them after they run out, when they come
- down hard. Maybe have to pick them up from the
- hospital or jail, I just dunno.
-
- Yup, it's all Dub's fault as usual. Good spot, Dee.
-
-
- WWMG
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-

Thanks. Just doing my part as anybody would...