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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:45 AM
Hi

I heard from a friend that during WW2 when the jet-streams at hi alt first were discovered the japanese military launched ballons with bombs.
As one jet-stream goes from asia to north america the ballons drifted to NA.

According to my bud only one ballon with it's bomb reached the NA continent.
It landed in the desert where some kids played with it and got killed when it exploded.

Anyone can confirm this and mebby add some details??

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:45 AM
Hi

I heard from a friend that during WW2 when the jet-streams at hi alt first were discovered the japanese military launched ballons with bombs.
As one jet-stream goes from asia to north america the ballons drifted to NA.

According to my bud only one ballon with it's bomb reached the NA continent.
It landed in the desert where some kids played with it and got killed when it exploded.

Anyone can confirm this and mebby add some details??

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Vengeanze

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:45 AM
/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif My name ain't red anymore. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:48 AM
Hi,

I saw some Discovery piece about that. I actually wanted to mention it in that other thread about the NY bomber, but my system is running low and caffeine, and I just forgot.

Weren't those bombs packed with biological weapons? And didn't one or two arrive, but with no effect?

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:51 AM
they were anmed Fugos --> like the Japanes fish

here a link:
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/fugo.htm

http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/fugo1c.jpg



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Message Edited on 10/24/0311:52AM by KIMURA

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 11:54 AM
I am fairly ceartian that they did attempt to put baloons onto bombs. The only known attack that I am aware of on the US outside of alaska was done by a Japanese aircraft transported to the US west coast by submarine. It dropped a bomb in a Oregon forest for the only known attack on continental soil. The Japanese pilot felt sorry about his actions and after the war he planted a tree in Oregon as a symbol of peace.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:00 PM
Vengeanze wrote:
- My name ain't red anymore.

Typical UBI, huh?

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:16 PM
From what i remember they were unmanned ballons that carried bombs and were to explode after so long. Noone was hurt from these. Not 100% positve on it though



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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:36 PM
commie1 wrote:
- Vengeanze wrote:
-- My name ain't red anymore.
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- Typical UBI, huh?
-
- Fneb to them, I say.


If I sell my soul to the devil and join CWoS will I get my name in red?

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:54 PM
Are you sure you haven't already sold your soul? You're deliberately seducing Tully into the lock-out artist you became.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 12:58 PM
Yeah join CWOS troll!

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:01 PM
roboas wrote:
- I am fairly ceartian that they did attempt to put
- baloons onto bombs. The only known attack that I am
- aware of on the US outside of alaska was done by a
- Japanese aircraft transported to the US west coast
- by submarine. It dropped a bomb in a Oregon forest
- for the only known attack on continental soil. The
- Japanese pilot felt sorry about his actions and
- after the war he planted a tree in Oregon as a
- symbol of peace.

They deliberately targeted trees? Oh, the horrors of war /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif



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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 01:22 PM
i think those baloons started some forest fires and one of them killed a few people, but most of them either dropped their bombs harmlessly or were shot down by some fighters sent to look for them before they ever reached the u.s. i remember hearing that their bomb loads were something like 1 ~30 lb HE, and 2 incendiary. no wonder they didn't do much.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:09 PM
The U.S. government found a few of these bombs intact as the ballons had deflated, but the bombs hadfailed to detonate. After they figured out what they were and where they had come from they decided to surperess the reports of these bombs to avoid panicing the public.

I too thought the balloons only carried small HE and incendiary devices, no biological weapons.

The Japanese launched quite a few of these, but only a small percentage reached the U.S. intact. The bombs did very little damage for the effort involved. A case of wasted resources by the Japanese IMO.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:19 PM
It is indeed true that the Japanese sent bombs by balloons, utilising the (then) new pre-war discovery of the jet-streams. The balloons where filled with gas (hydrogen) and an automated system dropped ballast to keep the right altitude. The bomb-loads appear to have been rather small, conventional bombs. Most of them fell harmlessly into the sea, but a few made it to American soil.

Luckily, only one appears to have killed anyone. It was found by a group of children, in a woodland area. It is a small memorial built there.

The Americans found the jet-streams by accident a few years later, trying to bomb Japan from high altitude with B-29's.

Hawgdog
10-24-2003, 02:25 PM
They still are!

Five years ago, the "winner" at the St. Patty's day parade was a disney characture made by a specialty company in Japan! Non lethal, non incindary and actually cute as a button

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:33 PM
LOL @ Hawg-Dawg...

@ Kimura- sorry to correct you but the puffer fish in Japanese is FUGU not fugo... (pretty darn close sounding tho) Cheers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 02:59 PM
The story I heard tallies exactly with that told by Friendly flyer with the addition that this death was the only WW2 death due to enemy action on the US mainland.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:05 PM
Zeus-cat wrote:
- The U.S. government found a few of these bombs
- intact as the ballons had deflated, but the bombs
- hadfailed to detonate. After they figured out what
- they were and where they had come from they decided
- to surperess the reports of these bombs to avoid
- panicing the public.
-
- I too thought the balloons only carried small HE and
- incendiary devices, no biological weapons.
-
- The Japanese launched quite a few of these, but only
- a small percentage reached the U.S. intact. The
- bombs did very little damage for the effort
- involved. A case of wasted resources by the
- Japanese IMO.
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-
-
-

One of these balloons got as far as Minnisota! It is still believed that many still exist out in the Canadian and U.S. NorthWest forests as duds. They were not very well made but they are even more dangerous now as they contain Picric acid and that compound becomes unstable over time. Could be very dangerous for a hiker or another person who happens across one and has no clue to what it really is.

The Japanese planned to eventually load plague-bearing fleas on these balloons in hopes to create epidemics of the plague like they did with their "research" in China.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 03:26 PM
The best one I like is the US Idea to load FROZEN bats into bombers. Said frozen bats would have small incendinary devises attached to them. They would fall, thaw, and then go roost in the tops of Japanese building (mostly made of exposed wood) and after time would ignight BBQing the Bat and the building. I remember reading about this in the booklet that came with Aces over the Pacific. I think LeMay found a better solution.....mid level, nighttime B29 raids filled with incendinary sticks, IIRC, these raids damn near burnt Japan's industrial complex to the ground.

XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 05:00 PM
"On 6 May, (1945)... a woman named Elsie Mitchell and five children were on a Fishing trip near Bly, Oregon. One of them found a strange object on the ground and the others went to investigate. Suddenly the object exploded, killing all six. First news reports said it was a blast of "unannounced cause". Actually, the object had been a Japanese bomb that had traveled across the Pacific on a hydrogen-filled balloon."





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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 05:39 PM
Not common knowledge just how far the Japenese were trying to go to kill humans. Interesting, but shocking, reading.

EXAMPLE: Germ invested fleas.

Do a Google. You will be surprised what you find just on there.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 05:39 PM
'Japan at War: an Oral History' by Haruko Taya Cook and Theodore F. Cook, ISBN 1-56584-014-3, is a collection of personal accounts by Japanese of their experiences in the war.

One of them is by Tanaka Tetsuko. She was a student during the war and was involved in making the balloons. Her account is too long to post here, but at 16 years of age she worked 12 hour shifts without a break in a factory making the paper for the balloons. Forty years later she was horrified to find out they had killed five children and their teacher.

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 05:44 PM
Hey Ven, you are not a MOD?
i thought you were one of them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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The_Blue_Devil
10-24-2003, 05:53 PM
The first African American Paratroopers often battled/searched for these ballons and blazes..not many folks know that either. They were paratroopers trained as smoke jumpers the 555th Parachute Infantry Battalion "Triple Nickles" never had the chance to win medals or promotions due to the color of their skin.

Link:
http://www.triplenickle.com/

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XyZspineZyX
10-24-2003, 06:08 PM
Maybe so. There is a lengthy account on a bronze plaque on a drugstore at Underwood Ave and 50th in Omaha, NE that attests to an incendiary balloon that made it to the Dundee neighborhood of Omaha, NE during WWII. Said plaque states that it was kept secret to avoid hysteria-go figure