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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 01:32 PM
so if someone can host for me a track i made where i destroye a FwA9 with one little burst on it it will be a good thing for all guy saying "oh my gun are bad bouhou"

guys you probably don t know shooting or shooting for far away hope roll rate will be imporved that's all lol

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 01:32 PM
so if someone can host for me a track i made where i destroye a FwA9 with one little burst on it it will be a good thing for all guy saying "oh my gun are bad bouhou"

guys you probably don t know shooting or shooting for far away hope roll rate will be imporved that's all lol

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 01:44 PM
iv had no probloms shooting things down like il2's with my captured lw p-47

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 01:49 PM
yeah but a lot of guy said P47 gun are too bad even with 1.1 just see the^post P47:whine and cheese party lol they just complain and complain

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 02:31 PM
its true you can shoot a wing off with a lucky direct convergence hit, but when on a 190s 6 you can shoot it for a good 8 seconds and the thing flys fine, many times.

the p47 should be a close match to the 190s but its more like the fb 1.0 b239 vs i16 n i153 nearly impossible to win a 1 vs 1 fight

its known the 190s are so unrealistic now its not funny, they win turn fights with just about anything

hopefully oleg will fix the fms that are insanely above the charts and fix the p40 and p47 which are way below.






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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 02:55 PM
Actually, in my whine and cheese forum, we thought that the guns were still undermodelled, especially when firing at Fw190s. Since my P-47 can take down a Yak in 2 seconds, a P-39 in one second or any other plane including another P-47 without much ado (given a favorable firing position), why is it that the FW190 is so much harder to kill, especially from behind? That led us to believe that the Fw is way overmodelled. Leadspitter is correct.

The real sad part to all of this is all those players flying A9's now, that would never have let it see the light of day during the old patch.

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:05 PM
Now we have a whole genre of people whining about the people who are whining about the P-47.



LeadSpitter_ wrote:

- but when on a 190s 6 you can
- shoot it for a good 8 seconds and the thing flys
- fine, many times.

Same is true for many fighters in the sim, including P-47 and P-40.

And when human controlled FW190 takes even light machine gun fire to the wings, it becomes nearly uncontrollable, and suffers a horrendous speed loss. All from a few MG round in the wing. Oleg needs to toughen up the FW to make it more realistic.



- its known the 190s are so unrealistic now its not
- funny,


Actually, what's known and has been known since the day the patch was made available is that the high-speed roll rate does not decrease at high speeds like it should(stuck at 120deg/sec) and there seems to be no performance drop in roll-rate with external ordinance carried.

I'm also of the opinion that the huge MK103s slung under the wings should probably incur a greater performance hit but I haven't had time to test it.

What's also known is that thru testing the speeds and climb are reasonably close to reality.



- they win turn fights with just about anything


Unless you are refering to some on-line induced phenomenon, I couldn't disagree with you more here.


Not to rag on you Lead, but the way some people are talking about the FW190, you would have thought H.G. Wells had just announced over the radio that aliens had just landed in upstate New York.









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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:09 PM
give me your email and i post you my track destroying a Fw190 A9 with 1 burst.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:18 PM
190fan ur cracked man if you think the 190 is even close to realistic,

next time you fly on hl look for me and we can do some 1vs1s and i will show you how unrealistic the 190 is, i been averaging 2000+ points with the 190a9 in about 30-45 min, Im able to out turn anyone with lowering trottle and flaps and outrun any plane besides a 190. the thing flies like a i153 with the old me262 engines pre fb 1.0.

Im not disputing the 190 should have the quickest roll but its so unrealistically fast and with the snap spin you can cause with the rudder you can get 2 complete 360 revolution rolls faster then naca tests show for 180 degrees, the p39, yaks and mig3u are the same way.


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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 03:24 PM
ISU-152 wrote:


- The real sad part to all of this is all those
- players flying A9's now, that would never have let
- it see the light of day during the old patch.


Yeah, I guess a FW190 performing closer to it's historic capabilities than we've ever had in FB is just too much.

And the overmodelled high-speed roll is more of a distraction than a help for those of us that have been flying the FW for over two years.




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<center>"We are now in a position of inferiority...There is no doubt in my mind, nor in the minds of my fighter pilots, that the FW190 is the best all-round fighter in the world today."

Sholto Douglas, 17 July 1942

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 04:28 PM
You miss the point completely FW190 fan - that remark was not a dig on wonderous capabilities of the FW aircraft, which in my opinion, should be one of if not the best all-around plane in this game; it was for the former patch Yak-3 and K4 flyers who have converted over, you know, the chaps that need and therefore are always looking for any edge.



Message Edited on 09/04/0303:31PM by ISU-152

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 04:35 PM
Leadspitter, prove it. Don't give me this crap about your online exploits. Dig up the docs, and present them. Prove your assinine claim that the 190s are so incredibly overmodeled.

Roll rate doesn't win fights, especially not turn fights. The A9 loses E so fast that you better hope there is someone around to distract your opponent, or be content to just run away for hours on end. It's speed is decent, it's climb is decent, it's E bleed is astronomical. *IF* you are being so successful in it, either you are just that damn good, or (more probably) you are in ideal conditions against easy opposition.

And to the anti-US plane knob who started this crap thread, get it through your head - lucky shots happen with any plane, against any plane. The fact that you did it once, or even that you found the "sweet spot" against AI doesn't mean jack. Why are you people so afraid of things being done right?

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 04:51 PM
Online anecdotes mean jack crap. Last night I shot down a P47 with a Brewster, and failed to shoot down a P39 with two solid bursts from a 190A9 w/ mk. 108 wing cannons. I think I'll refrain from drawing conclusions about the DM from these experiences and simply recognize that (as in war) chance rules all.

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Message Edited on 09/04/0303:53PM by A.K.Davis

XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 05:16 PM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- its true you can shoot a wing off with a lucky
- direct convergence hit, but when on a 190s 6 you can
- shoot it for a good 8 seconds and the thing flys
- fine, many times.


not talking about shoot a wing off guy speack of cutting the plane in two part with single burst lol if you can host the track pleased to post here

LeadSpitter_ wrote:

- the p47 should be a close match to the 190s but its
- more like the fb 1.0 b239 vs i16 n i153 nearly
- impossible to win a 1 vs 1 fight

- its known the 190s are so unrealistic now its not
- funny, they win turn fights with just about anything
-
- hopefully oleg will fix the fms that are insanely
- above the charts and fix the p40 and p47 which are
- way below.

from proper american test pilot of WW2 the P40 suck a lot lol saw corky meyer story about flying P40N(was test pilot at grumman) and book said he has a very poor climb rate and was only a low altitude fighters(was very low it seems and was for employed at under 30000pieds) with quite good roll rate.

the P47 for me isn't a FW lol he didn't have the firepower first of all and he is bigger so less manouevrable lol P47 is for high altitude and Fw was employed in mid one.

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XyZspineZyX
09-04-2003, 05:17 PM
ISU-152:


Thanks for your reply, sorry if I misunderstood.


LeadSpitter:

Respectfully, I don't fly online at all right now. I have very little faith that I could learn anything at all from a Hyperlobby furball.

P-40s are shooting down 262s there are they not? Does this mean the P-40 is overmodelled? Nope.

I've been flying the FW190 since the original IL2 and it's still the BnZ machine it's always been. The only thing obviously overmodelled is the high-speed roll, both with and without external stores.

As for the damage model, that must be for AI controlled FW190s because I suffer a rediculous performance hit with only a few MG rounds in my wing. IMO Oleg needs to tone that down a bit.

Many aircraft in the sim take a seemingly huge amount of punishment from 6 o'clock. The P-47, P-40, Yak, Lagg, all of them do. Hell, I was in an I-153 last night unloading into a P-11 and that thing just kept right on going.

Personally, I would rather have the damage model too tough than too weak. That way I know for sure I earned the kill.




<center><img src= "http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/FW190-A0-52.jpg" height=215 width=365>

<center>"We are now in a position of inferiority...There is no doubt in my mind, nor in the minds of my fighter pilots, that the FW190 is the best all-round fighter in the world today."

Sholto Douglas, 17 July 1942