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shotdownski
12-29-2006, 09:14 AM
This may be old news, I'm a bit behind the power curve sometimes, but maybe this will be of use to others.

I've long thought the colors in IL-2 were unrealistic, especially the bright, almost florescent, green landscapes. I just figured this was inherent to the sim, so never investigated the issue. So I get a wild hair and search the forums and find an old post by CyC_And describing his color adjustments for NVidea cards. I made the changes and was amazed at the difference...the scenery is much, much more realistic. Some cockpits seem a little too dark and there may be other anomolies I haven't noticed yet, but all in all this has greatly increased sim immersion.

If you're interested, check the post from 10 Feb 06 at:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/35010114/p/168<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along. The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, April 1946

heywooood
12-29-2006, 10:22 AM
hey - Thanks for finding this!


It works just as explained for my 6600GT Nvidia


Perfect!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/afewofTheFew-1.jpg

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shotdownski
12-29-2006, 10:27 AM
Glad to contribute; I'm running a 6600GT also.


Originally posted by heywooood:
hey - Thanks for finding this!


It works just as explained for my 6600GT Nvidia


Perfect! <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

"Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along. The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering, April 1946

italianofalco
12-29-2006, 10:32 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif something for ATI 850 series please... - Falco

CHDT
12-29-2006, 10:35 AM
It looks great.

Possible to do the same thing with ATI cards?

heywooood
12-29-2006, 11:07 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/Hucksters.jpg


here is an un-retouched screenie using the new graphic card settings/profile....sweet.


note the much less nuclear-green tundra and better haze quality at the horizon.

note for some ATI users - look at this thread...

http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....topic;f=144;t=000005 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=000005)<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/afewofTheFew-1.jpg

A few of The Few

SeaFireLIV
12-29-2006, 12:58 PM
I love the graphics of IL2, but right from the very beginning I felt that the colours were too bright, too `new` looking.

I`ll definitely will try this. Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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SeaFireLIV
12-29-2006, 01:25 PM
wow. This is so much better. Everything looks a lot more realistic. The colours kinda match the colours of life around me and reallys adds to the immersion. Skies have that cold European feel to it and aircraft have the `look` of something `made` and constructed. Realy nice difference. Nothing is overly bright. I should pop up a screen shot, but most of you here have already seen one.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/LIVeyes.jpg
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Hanglands
12-29-2006, 02:33 PM
I have to agree with previous posters about the too 'brilliant' or 'vibrant' landscapes.

Thanks for bringing this up http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m203/ChickenHawk_2006/logoHH.jpg (http://www.geocities.com/hanglands/)

WWSensei
12-29-2006, 02:45 PM
For ATI users you used to be able to do Smartshaders. However, smartshaders custom profiles are no longer available as of the Cat 6.4 drivers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
12-29-2006, 04:41 PM
Yes - well, its just that color levels, saturation and contrast / brightness are just a matter of individual taste.

Its only natural to want to adjust them to suit oneself.

This is a great way to get the picture just right and try to make it look more realistic for the Nvidia users anyway.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/afewofTheFew-1.jpg

A few of The Few

hamselv2
12-29-2006, 04:47 PM
Riva Tuner can be used to tweak setting for graphics cards - including gamma, brightness and contrast.

Get it here:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163

TankerLTC
12-29-2006, 09:36 PM
660GT here as well. This tweak does make the gound look much better...could take some getting used to the general blue shade to everything else.

Jaws2002
12-30-2006, 12:09 AM
Now can you tell me guys how easy you can spot a little La5 flying at 500m if you are at 3000m?

Those screenshots look a lot like some of the Eastern Front maps where you can't see cr@p under you.

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CyC_AnD
12-30-2006, 05:34 AM
Nice to see somebody dig it up and liked the outcome http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

First of all, I would like to have something like smartshader, but I searched a lot and didn't find anything like it on nvidia. Pity.
Second. Colors are a bit more darker, so planes have a bit more contrast with ground. But this works only with dark skins etc. and doesn't have anything to do with messed LOD's, or skins like i16 (invisible over forests) :/

To be honest I don't use this profile anymore, but I play PF not to often now.

I wanted to change with this profile 2 things that are messed imo in this engine. Color of ground and clouds. First is to clear green. In reality you have more dark green, brown, and toned yellow collors. Second is that clouds in il2 engine are white to grey in good weather, when in reality they usually from white to blue in shadows (like the snow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).
You can experiment with it. Best is to do a screenshot or two of varied ground and clouds (with a plane or cockpit) and try to mess with sliders as much as you like the outcome. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Pity that there is no saturation in that sliders...

p.s. heywood your pic is great, would love to have smartshader too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
During watching your screen I had vac-um cleaner (1600W) working next room that added to the immersion lol.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
12-30-2006, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by TankerLTC:
660GT here as well. This tweak does make the gound look much better...could take some getting used to the general blue shade to everything else.

Well - I reduced the blue levels slightly from what CyC_AnD had shown...for the same reason - it was a little too blue.

CyC_AnD - thanks for the tip and as far as the screen shot goes - that is an un-retouched capture using the method you described with my slight adjustment to the blue level.
That has to be the one and only time that the sound of a vacuum cleaner was a good thing.lol

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/heywooood/afewofTheFew-1.jpg

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DuxCorvan
12-30-2006, 09:53 AM
My FB has always looked like that. In fact it looks rather photorealistic to me. My only gripe is that colors should desaturate more with increasing distance. IRL, neither ground nor objects have the same color when you get far from them: they get more and more greyish. I hope SoW improves that effect.

CyC_AnD
12-31-2006, 04:01 AM
Rgr heywoood. I thought that you have ati and using smartshader http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Hmm what technic are you using to capture screens with color scheme recorded. As far as I know its overlay so normal print screen in il2 won't save those colors into screenshot...
I messed with this yesterday a bit, and with some monitor colors adjustment I made new profile.
I added more light and contrast (unable to fly on winter maps tho http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ). With monitor settings over 9300K (user preset red/blue/green) there is more light in scene, and clouds has more deep in them. Different monitors it will be different outcome. Probably on lcd's it will be as default, as they are usually more bright and contrast then default crt setting.

If you want try new one save last one, and put those inputs:

red:
bright - 100
contrast- 122
gamma - 1.47


green:
b - 92
c - 122
g - 1.47

blue:
b - 103
c - 122
g - 1.47

It's still not perfect, but I use it now on summer maps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Friendly_flyer
12-31-2006, 05:06 AM
Hmm, the difference in vegetation colour is really like the difference between spring and summer. Trust me, spring colours this far North are really vibrant (I live in Norway)! Flying a campaign that takes place in May, the default colour settings are actually realistic. For a late summer scenario, the muted colures look better.

I wonder if Oleg has given this a mind for BoB, which takes place from spring to winter.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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CyC_AnD
12-31-2006, 01:47 PM
Don't get me wrong Friendly flyer but even if this green is 100% accurate then after 5 years of looking on the same color of green I'm a bit... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Btw. if you were wondered how graphics changed from il2 to pf I have 2 pics for you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I better like the sky from il2 then pf 4.05.
Same map, same time, same weather, same plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Not edited: only resized from 1280 > 1024
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/6879/il2rt4.jpg
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CyC_AnD
04-19-2007, 10:57 AM
Somehow I managed to find that thread http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If enybody is still intrested in changing color profiles in pf I have some new settings. It fits perfect for afrika maps. and looks like this:

original:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//IL2MG50.jpg

edited curves: (and shadow added and haze)
http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/537/il2mg50kopiann8.th.jpg (http://img483.imageshack.us/my.php?image=il2mg50kopiann8.jpg)

original:
http://premium1.uploadit.org/bsamania//IL2M_P39.jpg

edited curves:
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/6948/il2mp39kex7.th.jpg (http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=il2mp39kex7.jpg)

curves are not made from sliders, but hand changed in advance mode. If anyone is intrested, i can capture it on screens.

flox
04-19-2007, 11:51 AM
Wow CyC, those are some pretty impressive screens-- the differences are huge! I'll have to give this a whirl!

CyC_AnD
04-20-2007, 10:33 AM
thx, ill put later those curves here. Now im tired to much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

shotdownski
04-20-2007, 12:23 PM
I'd love to try your new settings. Have you done any testing on the new Italy map? The landscape textures make a/c spotting difficuly.

Thanks,

shot

Divine-Wind
04-20-2007, 02:31 PM
CyC, post those settings! Now!

stalkervision
04-20-2007, 02:57 PM
playing with the color settings does help quite a lot.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Huxley_S
04-20-2007, 06:22 PM
Oh no... not another setting to fiddle about with. Actually I tweaked it to enhance the blue and cut back on the green as suggested and it really does look much better in most situations.

Cheers!

CyC_AnD
04-21-2007, 05:14 AM
Ok guys as you wish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
First of all It looks only good at sand maps, couse green is a bit weird. I don't have much time to test right now. What I noticed, is that in pf there is not enough light in scene. All colors are durk and dulk.
I was editing curves for battlefield 2 and testted it on screens from pf and it shows that it suits perfect on afrika maps.
Second thing, I dont have 46 addon, so I cant test it on new maps.

Ok to the curves.
Feel free to edit and mess with them, couse I just made general liking matching to my monitor etc. So go to advance mode (don't touch sliders)
and put curve like that with all chanells.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6875/allcurveskc9.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=allcurveskc9.jpg)

Then go to separate channels to make little changes to them.
red
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3829/redchannelqw9.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redchannelqw9.jpg)

green
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9899/greenchannelek1.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=greenchannelek1.jpg)

blue
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5936/bluechannelle8.th.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bluechannelle8.jpg)

I hope pics arent to small, I brightened blue channel to be more visible.
I was astonished as you are how water, sky and sand looks like with this setting, so much more light in pictures! So I thought ill edit some shot in photoshop only with curves to show you effects http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif So enjoy, have a nice fun to play with settings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

btw. It is big plus that you can make few color settings to different maps (winter, sand, pacific, europe), give them names and change when your map will load in notime, by just having color window opened on your pulpit...
A bit sharpenning adds sometimes a difference too.

HuninMunin
04-21-2007, 05:38 AM
Shure gives a great, different look to this old lady!
Thanks for posting this to remind me of this options...

But I have a problem and would like to ask the ATI
pros to help me out on it...

With the Catalyst Controll Panel it is only possible to adjust the overall Gamma, Brightness and Contrast of Color - not the individual RGB values...

Is there any (good) freeware that allows for changes similar to those shown above?
As allready stated smartshaders are no option with up-to-date drivers anymore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thanks for your advice!

CyC_AnD
04-21-2007, 06:25 AM
Damn where is my post? I just posted settings etc. :/

btw. if any of you know where nvidia saves those color profiles pls write, couse it would be easier to just put this color profile on net then putting screens... I havn't found it.

And now I see my post, weird heh.
Try the RivaTuner, it has option for individual manual changes to colors (even directly on ramdac) on nvidia, so maybe on ati as well.

Oh and I edited curves little: lowered red bottom point a little (darker), and lightened green and blue a little (high points up a notch) and it looks good almost on all maps http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

stalkervision
04-21-2007, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Shure gives a great, different look to this old lady!
Thanks for posting this to remind me of this options...

But I have a problem and would like to ask the ATI
pros to help me out on it...

With the Catalyst Controll Panel it is only possible to adjust the overall Gamma, Brightness and Contrast of Color - not the individual RGB values...

Is there any (good) freeware that allows for changes similar to those shown above?
As allready stated smartshaders are no option with up-to-date drivers anymore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Thanks for your advice!


No, you can actually adjust them too with ati Catalyst Controll center. I just did it after I saw this posting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HuninMunin
04-21-2007, 07:32 AM
Strange....

Mine has the option to select the RGB channels underlayed grey - only for the desktop-settings they are selectable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
What version of the Controll Panel do you use?

stalkervision
04-21-2007, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by HuninMunin:
Strange....

Mine has the option to select the RGB channels underlayed grey - only for the desktop-settings they are selectable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
What version of the Control Panel do you use?

7.4 Look for the 3D settings.


Btw it makes a HUGE improvment IMO to how the game looks.

I can't complain anymore about it's cartoonish colors.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

stalkervision
04-21-2007, 09:09 AM
I've tuned up both BOBWOV and Il-2 using the settings and they never looked better! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

ytareh
04-21-2007, 11:07 AM
Im running an X1900XT on Cat 7.4s and can not adjust 3d colours either,only desktop.There are at least 2 boxes which look relevant 'greyed out' as reported earlier.Ive a Sony SD75 17" flat panel .Id love to get a good colour profile for ATI X series users.
In some strange instances when I Ctrl Alt Delete the desktop colour settings apply themself to the 3d/game and they are VERY pale/bright/'washed out'
Another strange thing is that I can adjust my red and blue colour settings in my monitors hardware press button settings but the green setting is also 'greyed out' !!!
Can anyone help with any of this?Thanks.

Superluminal_8
04-21-2007, 12:05 PM
So,on ATI,do you just select full screen 3D in the "set color correction for" and then play around with gamma,brightness and contrast sliders?
If so,any good values to share.

Divine-Wind
04-21-2007, 12:50 PM
How do you adjust the curves themselves? I can only play with the sliders...

edit: lol, nevermind, I realized I had to set it on advanced mode...

stalkervision
04-21-2007, 03:16 PM
click on catalyst control center. Go into (color) settings and look for the color correction curve. There you will find graph and individual setting adjustment for these 1) all channels and r/b/g individually

adjust the r/b/and g

lower the green a tad while increasing the blue a tad...

apply... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CyC_AnD
04-21-2007, 06:08 PM
Im glad that you like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
04-21-2007, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by CyC_AnD:
Im glad that you like it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

glad that you mentioned it.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Divine-Wind
04-21-2007, 07:22 PM
HOLY MONKEY BALLS.

The game color palette looks incredibly awesome now. Thanks a bunch, CyC, and all the folks who thought to play with color profile settings to make IL-2 a bit more immersive.

ytareh
04-22-2007, 06:47 AM
Yes this is awesome BUT as an ATI user I can only get the settings to work in game by setting them for desktop and Ctrl Alt Del-ing out of the game to desktop and back....It seems that some of the options are greyed out in my CCC....any cure for this .A previous poster has same problem.

Motion-Mx
11-11-2008, 04:08 AM
could somebody share some more specific help on applying these changes to ATI cards,Ok adjust less green and more blue but,Contrast,gamma or brightness?

Thanks,Ben