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JG52Uther
11-30-2005, 12:17 PM
Just watched a programme on the History channel about secret Russian aircraft of WW2 and it mentions the Free Russian Army.Apparently they were Russian pilots who flew ME 262's in the last days of the war for the Germans.Their 262's wore the colours of Imperial Russia !I have never heard of this before,does anyone have anymore info on this?

Waldo.Pepper
11-30-2005, 02:10 PM
I think it is "History Channel" syndrome again.
They used an animation instead of real graphics, or an interview or anything to bolster this claim.

Of course I could be wrong.

I do have a small avi file of a POSTWAR Me-262 in Soviet colors being tested.

1.JaVA_Hornet
11-30-2005, 02:23 PM
Why is it phantasy?

There were many russian soldiers who fought
with the germans.

berg417448
11-30-2005, 02:26 PM
There were Russian volunteers assisting the Germans but I've never found anything specifically about Russians fighting in the Me-262:


http://www.feldgrau.com/rvol.html

FI-Aflak
11-30-2005, 02:42 PM
Its sad, but the russian volunteers probably died grisly deaths when the soviets occupied.

Waldo.Pepper
11-30-2005, 03:45 PM
Originally posted by 1.JaVA_Hornet:
Why is it phantasy?

There were many russian soldiers who fought
with the germans.

I thought that the pilots of the Me-262 were chosen from Pilots who had high time to ease transition, and get the most from the plane.

If I remember right there were nearly 600 000 such troops. On the 12 O'clock High forum there is mention of a few Russian traitors. One is mentioned in Black Cross Red Star volume 2 as well.

I don't know any of them who were pilots with high time.

Furthermore: there were several pilots from other allied countries (US/UK/Czech/France who defected) and none of them were allowed to fly for the Fatherland in so much as a Jungmeister - let alone the premier weapon of the Luftwaffe.

Fox_3
11-30-2005, 03:48 PM
There is a thread over at the Luftwaffe Experten forums regarding this.

http://www.luftwaffe-experten.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=395

darkhorizon11
11-30-2005, 07:28 PM
This is the best I can do its a 109 not a 262. Scroll down to the bottom, unfortunately its just a picture again.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/jgaxis.htm (Allies of Germany)

Perhaps there is so little info and no pictures (if they did fly it at all) simply because the Russians covered it up. The Communists were just as propaganda-driven as the Nazis and they definetely wouldn't want this to leak out. AFAIK all Russian POWs (nevermind defectors) were either shot on sight or sent to the gulags.

berg417448
11-30-2005, 07:41 PM
Some info here:

http://math.fce.vutbr.cz/safarik/ACES/aces1/russia-roa.html

Waldo.Pepper
12-01-2005, 12:58 AM
For those of us that did not have the benefit of seeing the whole program here is the pertinant bit. Judge for yourself. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://rapidshare.de/files/8420608/Judgefor_yourself.avi.html

Daiichidoku
12-01-2005, 01:19 AM
yes, the Russians would prefer red army et al believe they were dead, so as to eliminate any possible threat to his family back home, including destroying photos, or hiding from cameras, going by an alias, etc

even the fact that a loved one was missing at all could sometimes mean persecution for the family, and it happened, too

polak5
12-01-2005, 01:21 AM
Yup russian volunters fighting against russia.
Also the pilots felt honored to fly these new age jets. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Heliopause
12-01-2005, 09:22 AM
I don't think Russian pilots got to fly the Me 262 for the Luftwaffe...
The Free Russian Army, known also as "Vlasov Army" fought with the germans on the eastern front after their surrender earlier in the war.(Purely army)
They started to fight germans again in the beginning of may '45 after the promised free way to the captivity with Western Allies. They fought around the city of Praque and it's airfield Ruzyne were Me 262 where stationed (JG 7 & KG 51). The airfield was pounded by their artillery wich gradually rendered the facilities unusable.

After the war it was Russian test pilots who got to fly the jet fighter. First of these was Andrei G. Kochetkov.

Bremspropeller
12-01-2005, 11:39 AM
Well, that's the proof of the dubious "Commie-Nazi" coalition...axis of evil... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif