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SeaFireLIV
01-29-2005, 06:18 PM
"Oleg, I`m sick of this ****** - IT`S PORKED"
"Oleg, what`s this ****?"
"This is b******t. Change it!"
"THIS IS TOTAL ****, THE AI BLAH! BlaH!"
" **** **** new planes! I hate it!"

Do we need to always read these childish attention-seeking HEADLINES? All of this could be expressed in far better and polite manners, but certain people seem incapable of posting their Titles decently.

Perhaps there should be a policy for Mods that ALL posts that start like this should be ERASED no matter what the content. This is NOT to stop complaints/constructive criticism/ideas, it`s just to prevent reading forum page Titles that have loud screaming impolite/discourteous words coming at you. You can AVOID clicking a thread, but you can`t avoid seeing the offensive rude HEADING.

To me it`s going to be the only way to have decent, polite posts that Oleg might actually be able to face in the future (even if they may be rude/impolite once you look in the thread, but that`s a different situation).

And it wouldn`t scare off new and normal readers.

Badsight.
01-29-2005, 06:27 PM
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY ? YOU GETTING SMART OR SOMETHING ??

pdog1
01-30-2005, 12:06 AM
http://www.iupload.net/102004/hahainternets1.jpg

Von_Zero
01-30-2005, 01:58 AM
SeaFire, while i strongly agree with you, i think this would me more suited in the General Discutions forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
01-30-2005, 03:52 AM
It probably is better for GD, and I did think of that, but for some reason it just seemed a good plan to stick it here, since it pertains to rude Rants that would mostly put Oleg off if he ever bothers to look again. Then again I also reference my thread to other forums (like the PF forum), so if the Mods want to they can move it to GD/whatever. Maybe we just need a separate Rants forums for people who just must let off steam at something....

Dutchfalcon46
01-30-2005, 05:29 PM
I try polite and get after 2 times posting 1 rweaction and didn't help much. But it's still a big problem for me, I brought it up before and got answer about everything but not about what i had posted. So maybe you should be rude once in while. Bye the way if some one from 1cMaddox should read this alittle help is greatly appriciated after buying everything you guys put on the market.

FRAGAL
01-31-2005, 06:17 AM
Bump agree with seafire on this i'm sick of all the whiny posts and posts like "oh my fantastic favourite plane is undermodelled cos i can't shoot down a I153" which always turns into a flame war

Chuck_Older
01-31-2005, 03:00 PM
Agree 100% with Fragal. The real way to get that stuff addressed is with fact, not emotion. Heck, my fantastic favorite plane is undermodelled and I don't say word one about it here. I keep my trap shut because I'm just happy to fly the d@mned thing. If/when I get solid proof of the things I see as wrong, I'll send it in as a bug report, not a kiddie rant

I think this thread is fine right here. I don't run the place of course, but it's a nice reminder for the more hot-headed, uh, enthusiasts

Lucius_Esox
01-31-2005, 06:16 PM
Risking sounding like an old f***, well said, I agree entirely. I think its always important to MAKE people see that rudeness is not a good way to get what you want!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

FRAGAL
02-01-2005, 04:52 AM
Bumpage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

pdog1
02-01-2005, 07:16 AM
http://www.x-plane.org/home/pdog109/hahainternets1.jpg

FRAGAL
02-01-2005, 08:26 AM
HAHA spot the troll http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif exactly wat i mean

SeaFireLIV
02-01-2005, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucius_Esox:
Risking sounding like an old f***, well said, I agree entirely. I think its always important to MAKE people see that rudeness is not a good way to get what you want!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do I sound like an old f***?

I`ll ask my daughter...

Wha? She said YES!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

raisen
02-02-2005, 05:59 PM
So where exactly would you like new forum users to be able to make bug reports ? The forums are used for two way feedback to 1C, that is likely to be reduced to corporate adspeak without the odd question being posted. Hey, maybe you'd like to ban newbies entirely..... If you don't want to read such posts, then don't read them...

Viva the bloody thought police.

Raisen

FRAGAL
02-03-2005, 03:30 AM
read this Post it's stickied as the very first thread in the ORR forum explains it all, which so many people seem to miss when they come into this thread with a bad attitude, about there fantastic wonderful fantasy version of there favourite plane which is porked becos they think it is.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=3351042562

SeaFireLIV
02-03-2005, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by raisen:
So where exactly would you like new forum users to be able to make bug reports ? The forums are used for two way feedback to 1C, that is likely to be reduced to corporate adspeak without the odd question being posted. Hey, maybe you'd like to ban newbies entirely..... If you don't want to read such posts, then don't read them...

Viva the bloody thought police.

Raisen <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ho,ho. I was waiting for when this would turn up. I knew my thread would start to ruffle a few feathers, but if people like raisen would just drop the giant chip off the shoulder and READ my first post properly they`ll see they have nothing to fear... as long as you post your gripe in a manner in which you would like people to respond to you. There are still HUMAN BEINGS at the end of those lines, m8, even if you can`t see them!

123-Wulf-JG123
02-03-2005, 10:45 AM
SeaFire gets my vote. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Stiglr
02-03-2005, 12:11 PM
SeaFire asks:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Do we need to always read these childish attention-seeking HEADLINES? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

The key question you should ask yourself is, "Do I need to always read the posts behind these childish attention-seeking HEADLINES?

If your answer is "no", and you simply ignore obvious trolls or childish rants, then you've solved the problem.

Censorship on part of the mods is almost NEVER the answer. I've had a number of correspondences with mods on several boards, and far too many of them use their own opinions as barometers of "when enough is enough", of "who" is tired of "what" subject, etc., etc. Bascially, they make their moderation decisions based on their own viewpoints, and effectively shut off opposing viewpoints, thicker skins, etc. This is WRONG.

IMHO, the ONLY cause for locking/deleting/editing posts is the use of threats, and over-the-top profanity and language that has no point to it. Now, I realize that this is also subject to "opinion", too, but any level-headed person can see the difference between, say, that post about blue language in the game and a expletive-ridden rant about some doofus' favorite plane.

The community will decide when "enough is enough" on any subject, because they will stop posting about it, lose interest in it, or come to some kind of consensus. Just because people are passionate, upset, indignant, etc., is NO reason to snuff out a debate. Particularly when the subject is something related to product dissatisfaction. When a slew of angry posts about a subject appear, and continue to appear, it's a SIGN that all is not well in the land, and it should not be ignored or brushed under the rug. Rough and ugly though the communications may be, they're just as valid as the eloquently written ones. The ones without merit will likely be dismissed with calm, rational fact.

raisen
02-03-2005, 11:01 PM
Seafire, it's only the condescending attitude of the self appointed thought police I have a problem with. If you don't like such posts, how about a dignified silence.

Quoted from your post Seafire...

"if people like raisen would just drop the giant chip off the shoulder"

Where do get off dude ? That is just plain rude. Grow up a bit, loosen up.

Stiglr, I'll second that.... Since when is censorship a good thing ?

Raisen

FRAGAL
02-04-2005, 04:09 AM
sry mate, seafires not being rude he's stating a fact we've both been in these forums along time so we've seen it all, at the minute there are so many peeps just coming into the forums SHOUTING AND SCREAMING!!! for things to be fixed or planes to be added to the game and the way they post is codescending and just seemingly rude to a lot of people here, my only wish is to just see posts with what seems like a bit of respect to the game that we all play and enjoy instead of posts like "I WANT THIS NOW!! " or "FIX THIS FM IT'S C***!!!" and believe it or not posts used to be polite and friendly and thats how i want to see them again not like the forums on CS source or COD, where it's just one flamewar after another which is wat we seem to have now.
S!

Stiglr
02-04-2005, 10:49 AM
We're not saying such posts aren't juvenile and annoying... but at least they are easy to spot... and ignore.

Better to have that than to have what goes on at SimHQ: half a page of fascist rules and regs; and a culture that will quickly have you banned for daring not to LOVE the product under discussion, unconditionally. Now that's pathetic. Do you know they will sometimes "pre-emptively" lock posts there because the moderator "thinks" it will get out of control? It's locked before anyone ever posts anything even remotely questionable? Ridiculous.

SeaFireLIV
02-04-2005, 11:56 AM
Must`ve made life hard for you then, Stiglr. No wonder you come here instead... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Anyway, fragal`s got the general idea of what I`m saying. There`s many ways to say what you wish to say without being offensive. For instance compare:

"Oleg, the AI`s ****, I`m sick of this **** Russian-bias porked plane as well!"

&

"Oleg why is the AI useless? Why are WWII planes flying ability unrealistically tough?"

Now which would you rather look at?


Besides, Stiglr, you always complain, but very rarely descend into outright insulting outbursts to make your point and you manage to get noticed pretty well. In fact the tone of your posts almost illustrate how one can whine and say what they want without screaming childishly in someone`s face with capital letters.

DarthBane_
02-04-2005, 12:10 PM
People should say what they think, exactly the way they wont. I would remove posts with kiss a$$ atitude.

raisen
02-04-2005, 01:16 PM
Stiglr cuts to the meat of the issue again. My thoughts exactly.

For myself, I regret the tone of my first post to the forum, but not the content. I'll stand by what I've posted since too.

I have no time for the eternal "this FM is porked, fix it" posts myself, I just don't see the point of flaming such posts. I do however reserve the right to offer criticism to changes to friendly AI in the current patch. Briefly getting into the specifics, the friendly and hostile AI have been much improved of late, prior to the release of 3.04 at least. The latest patch is a clear, and very substancial step back for offline players, in my opinion.

Give new users a while to learn the ways of the forum, hey some of these guys could turn out to be a credit to the community...

Personally I resisted the urge to post for most of the last 4 years, I didn't want to find myself mired in exactly this kind of argument. I just hate to see people indulging in what amounts to, schoolyard bullying... "oh look, a newbie...."

Seafire, I accept you've been on these fora for years, I accept that you and I are passionate about our flight simming. Don't prejudge from folks first handful of posts. Certinly don't try and stereotype me. The main reason people will post for the first time is most likely going to be that they are having problems, or seeing quite something unexpected after an update.

Just cut the newcomers some slack.... please.


Raisen

Stiglr
02-04-2005, 03:08 PM
I suppose that's true, SeaFire.

I prefer to think that, despite the sarcasm and satire that spices up many of my posts, what separates them from "mere whining" or other objectionable forms of postings is... I always have a salient point, whether one wants to agree with it or not, or whether it has a hard statistic attached to it.

I may not always be right, but I usually am somewhere in the ballpark, and know what I'm talking about.

Extreme_One
02-04-2005, 04:42 PM
While I may not always agree with Stiglr I have yet to be offended by his posts.

That speaks volumes to me.