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keffooo
10-15-2007, 10:48 PM
Hi all,

Check out these threads from the Axis History Forums.

Japanese aircraft after the defeat
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=126248

And photos from the Japanese perspective in the war in China - 1938
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=105642&pos...ostorder=asc&start=0 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=105642&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

Daiichidoku
10-15-2007, 11:09 PM
excellent find!

my HD hates you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Heliopause
10-16-2007, 02:24 AM
+1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

joeap
10-16-2007, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Heliopause:
+1 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
+2 Thank you very much for the post keffooo.

keffooo
10-16-2007, 05:36 AM
No problem, It's the sort of thing I find very interesting.



Were they planning on using this as an ad hoc kamikaze unit or is it just for fuel transport?
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb284/armyjunk1/JAPANESE/Untitled-44.jpg

Breeze147
10-16-2007, 05:53 AM
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

Feathered_IV
10-16-2007, 06:00 AM
Originally posted by keffooo:
No problem, It's the sort of thing I find very interesting.



Were they planning on using this as an ad hoc kamikaze unit or is it just for fuel transport?
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb284/armyjunk1/JAPANESE/Untitled-44.jpg

Kamikazes.

WN_Barbarossa
10-16-2007, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

I agree. What about the ethics and moral, hmm? Who cares about historical value when you can post pics of the baddies just like this? From now on, I want to see only pics of the Good side, because the Evils are bad (or the Bads are evil? I just can't remember), and they don't deserve even the space at this forum, for that space also rightfully belongs to the Good side.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW - http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=105642&pos...storder=asc&start=45 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=105642&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45)

the pic called Town gate:
"...beyond the pearly gates, we shall rape, destroy and slay!" /Marduk - Of Hell's Fire/

han freak solo
10-16-2007, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

Good thing there was no photography during the Roman Empire then.

keffooo
10-16-2007, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes

Actually that whole site has various forums on almost every aspect of pre -1900 to 1945 history.

My particular favourite is that "what if?" forum

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=11

Breeze147
10-16-2007, 07:43 AM
Whatever...My generation spawned My Lai...But the Axis atrocities were state policy, condoned and planned at the highest levels of the CIVIL government.

keffooo
10-16-2007, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Whatever...My generation spawned My Lai...But the Axis atrocities were state policy, condoned and planned at the highest levels of the CIVIL government.

I just wrote a long response to your post, and lost it with an accidently click http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

In short what I said was that thier are no good or bad sides in war, contrary to what people would have us think, But this is interesting from a purely historical point of view

Freelancer-1
10-16-2007, 09:25 AM
To the people your side were fighting, Breeze, it was you who were the bad guys.

History is history and I thank Keffooo for sharing some of it with us http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

There are those that accept the past and learn from it and there are those who pretend the twin towers never existed. I'd rather be one of the former.

triggerhappyfin
10-16-2007, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by keffooo:
No problem, It's the sort of thing I find very interesting.



Were they planning on using this as an ad hoc kamikaze unit or is it just for fuel transport?
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb284/armyjunk1/JAPANESE/Untitled-44.jpg

Kamikazes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think in times of mod/hacking.... it's a party mod http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

It says sake in japanese on the drum.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Deadmeat313
10-16-2007, 09:54 AM
Nevertheless, most of these photos show Japanese troops as real human beings - even if some of the nicer ones are captioned as 'staged'.

I dunno. They cant all have been monsters.


T.

HotelBushranger
10-16-2007, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

Oh piss off and get over yourself.

HotelBushranger
10-16-2007, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by keffooo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes

Actually that whole site has various forums on almost every aspect of pre -1900 to 1945 history.

My particular favourite is that "what if?" forum

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=11 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1480178,00.html

Good read.

joeap
10-16-2007, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by keffooo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Breeze147:
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_war_crimes

Actually that whole site has various forums on almost every aspect of pre -1900 to 1945 history.

My particular favourite is that "what if?" forum

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=11 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1480178,00.html

Good read. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Breeze's comment was idiotic, but please not more of this moral equivalence ****. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I wish someone could erase Breeze's posts and the subsequent ones.


These pics are interesting anyway. The first fits our forum, and the second does illustrate a forgotten war.

Breeze147
10-16-2007, 11:23 AM
Great! You can honor Axis history by burning my comments.

Anything about Nanking in there?

Waldo.Pepper
10-16-2007, 12:33 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1480178,00.html

Good read.

From that article - "Democratic Imperialism." - is a thought provoking and rather nicely turned term.

MB_Avro_UK
10-16-2007, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Great! I've been looking for a spot to praise murderers, rapists and torturers!

My sympathies are with Breeze. The Japanese committed unspeakable atrocities wholesale.

They regarded all others as worthless. We will never know how many civilians they tortured and murdered. Their treatment of US, British and Commonwealth prisoners is well documented.

Their beastial behaviour in Nanking and the rest of China must NEVER be forgotten.

I have no problems or issues with today's Japanese other than that they refuse to admit their murderous past.

Germany on the other hand has admitted and come to terms with their past.

When I saw the photos in the thread I wondered why the atrocities were not included.For instance, there is a picture of a young Chinese woman in front of gloating Japanese soldiers. What happened to her?

And I refuse to apologise for my comments. The facts are there and this is not a debate on engine performance.

I'm a Brit and I'm not saying for one minute that the British and their Empire was perfect. But what the Japanese Military did in WW2 is completely and utterly off the scale.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Breeze147
10-16-2007, 01:57 PM
Well put.

DxyFlyr
10-16-2007, 02:20 PM
Well said, Avro. I agree. There definitely was a good and bad side during WW2 on a policy making level. You're correct-- this should not be forgotten.

That being said, I also appreciate the original poster's links. Some great pics there. I think we can view pics like this and not condone the atrocious behavior of the subjects. Were it my site, I'd surely have some kind of "I'm no proponent of bestial behavior" disclaimer, I suppose. But I do enjoy seeing the fairly rare pics of Japanese equipment.

Heck, I fly with a virtual Japanese squadron online. None of us would deny the abysmal human rights record of the pre '45 Japanese govt. or the horrible acts of its military. I find flying the Japanese planes a challenge. When you can face an F4U or two and walk away... You've accomplished something. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

joeap
10-16-2007, 02:27 PM
Originally posted by Freelancer-1:
To the people your side were fighting, Breeze, it was you who were the bad guys.



Except the pics were of soldiers in a country they invaded. Come on guys I'm getting fed up with this you know what.

@ Breeze, sorry I came down on you but look those pics are still of interest, just like the plane pics. At least as a military historian you gotta see the interest of ground troop operations to look at uniforms, weapons, etc.

Daiichidoku
10-16-2007, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
Anything about Nanking in there?

isnt it great, that war comes in by different degrees?

i mean, killing is great n all, but its nice to be able to label some things about it as 'super-great'....kinda like having mere violence, and bumpin' it up a notch to ultra-violence

the diff is so tanglible, is almost makes regular set-piece battle with no civilians around seem a pleasant experience



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Breeze147
10-16-2007, 03:32 PM
From a purely historical perspective, I concede they are interesting.

MB_Avro_UK
10-16-2007, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Breeze147:
From a purely historical perspective, I concede they are interesting.

Yes they are interesting from a historical analysis of clothing and equipment etc.

For collectors and historians I can see the worth.

But for me it is a rogues gallery of evil murderers.

I was in Singapore last year on holiday and I got talking to a guide who was a child when the Japanese invaded. I'll not go into everything he told me but the fact is that the Japanese were worse than evil at that time.

There are many links etc. that relate the horrible barbarities in Singapore and elsewhere by the Japanese in WW2.

Do NOT forget this please.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Daiichidoku
10-16-2007, 04:37 PM
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look, being *******s with power is like being a doorknob, everyone gets a turn

the brits were not-so-kind to indians...in fact, one might even say evil

as for the italians in eithiopia

or the ottomans

mongols

vikings

franks

dravidians

the list goes on....doont throw stones in glass houses, man will continue to be "evil" to others for the foreseeable future, as they ever have been

dont single them out for being JP, or german, or french royalty or whatever

we are all of the same, and must grow as one, not divided....

the idea that one will isolate a group and hold them accountable for things beyond that one's lifetime only sows the seeds for future ignorance..which leads to....................

Rammjaeger
10-16-2007, 04:45 PM
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/c169_207.jpg

"Infantry de luxe"

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/type95soki.jpg

Clever design...

http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x148/Rammjaeger1983/Untitled-28.jpg

Cool unit insignia!

There are similar photos here:

pics from the battle of Shanghai:
http://www.japan-guide.com/a/shanghai/

early IJAAF aircraft:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=23229&post...ostorder=asc&start=0 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=23229&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

later IJAAF types:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=28823&post...ostorder=asc&start=0 (http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=28823&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

MB_Avro_UK
10-16-2007, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
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look, being *******s with power is like being a doorknob, everyone gets a turn

the brits were not-so-kind to indians...in fact, one might even say evil

as for the italians in eithiopia

or the ottomans

mongols

vikings

franks

dravidians

the list goes on....doont throw stones in glass houses, man will continue to be "evil" to others for the foreseeable future, as they ever have been

dont single them out for being JP, or german, or french royalty or whatever

we are all of the same, and must grow as one, not divided....

the idea that one will isolate a group and hold them accountable for things beyond that one's lifetime only sows the seeds for future ignorance..which leads to....................


Sorry, don't agree. You are apologising for a barbaric regime that even today in Japan has no regret.

No ignorance..only historical fact.

Brits were not so kind to Indians? Yes, I agree to a point. But NOTHING compares...I repeat NOTHING compares to the Japanese barbarity and cruelty to the Asian people in WW2.

Please don't try to defend them by comparing with other empires of which there were many.

The Japanese in WW2 were the most evil organisation that the world has seen. If you and anyone else denies this I will post factual links.

And I don't want to hear again about that Japanese pilot who did not shoot down an unarmed plane.

He was outweighed by the 1,000s of Japanese military who enjoyed murdering all who they 'defeated'.

Face the facts please.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Waldo.Pepper
10-16-2007, 05:03 PM
But NOTHING compares...I repeat NOTHING

With utmost respect, that is not for us to say, until and unless we become the victims of atrocity. Elsewise this diminishes the suffering of those who suffered. (Under Pol Pot for example and to specify just one.)

Phas3e
10-16-2007, 07:19 PM
Im pretty sure this thread was started with historical aviation interests in mind, so why start a flame war because it features the japanese? did you complain when pacific fighters was annouced because they would be in it?.

on topic...That Ki-61 photo is fantastic

BaldieJr
10-16-2007, 08:20 PM
i was a bigot. i got over it.

we are all capable of doing bad things. let it go.

Pirschjaeger
10-16-2007, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by keffooo:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb284/armyjunk1/JAPANESE/Untitled-44.jpg

Pilot's manual: To activate droptank mechanism (ref #82649) fly inverted for 45 seconds.
Note* Do not activate droptank mechanism (ref #82649) while flying over populated areas.
Fritz

joeap
10-18-2007, 06:14 AM
My last word on the matter, Fritz how do you know that was a drop tank and not a sake barrel?? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Pirschjaeger
10-18-2007, 06:38 AM
Fuel tank, sake barrel, or a Molson.

Little point in carrying them when they're empty.

Drop'em. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif