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Treetop64
07-20-2006, 05:19 PM
Some more news on FSX.

I'm personally p!ssing myself waiting for this (as well as BoB) to be released!

The active road and boat traffic (including trans-oceanic types) sound pretty cool.

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/feature/fsx1.htm

LStarosta
07-20-2006, 05:46 PM
I saw a video of moving road traffic on Gamespot. It's sweet.

Bearcat99
07-20-2006, 07:01 PM
$70.... huh.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

TheGozr
07-20-2006, 07:18 PM
http://216.25.73.93/demos/fz02/FZ02_teaser2.wmv

http://216.25.73.93/demos/fz02/fz02teaser01aHR.wmv

LStarosta
07-20-2006, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
$70.... huh.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You spend over a hundred dollars on Il-2 and its subsequent patches/addons, but you complain about an all-inclusive simulator costing $70 with basically everything a civil aviator could think of wanting?

:coughhypocritecough:

Considering all the features it has that we know about, I'm actually surprised it won't cost more. The thing practically looks photoreal, and from those videos Gozr posted, radio communication sounds spot on as opposed to what we have in FS9 now.

Treetop64
07-20-2006, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
$70.... huh.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

You spend over a hundred dollars on Il-2 and its subsequent patches/addons, but you complain about an all-inclusive simulator costing $70 with basically everything a civil aviator could think of wanting?

:coughhypocritecough:

Considering all the features it has that we know about, I'm actually surprised it won't cost more. The thing practically looks photoreal, and from those videos Gozr posted, radio communication sounds spot on as opposed to what we have in FS9 now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry, BC. I am a fan of yours, but:

+1

willyvic
07-20-2006, 08:37 PM
Now THIS will warrant an upgrade. Can't wait. Been flying the series since its inception.

WV.

Bandit.426Cdn
07-20-2006, 09:20 PM
All i can say is .. wow.

I've got 2004 on my HD, and honestly, it never caught my attention - the scenery in FS2004 has more in common with FS5, than FSX - IMHO. The blockyness of everything was an immersion buzz-kill. I want to know that the sim will closely approximate the regional environments that i am familiar with from 2-4,000 feet up.. FS2004 didn't really come too close for a region with 11 million people in it..

If this geographically accurate scenery is the norm rather than the exception for FSX, i'm in like Flynn.

adlabs6
07-20-2006, 10:06 PM
Yep, this could be good. I still am waiting for the first real DirectX 10 screenshots though. I've said it before, I'm not sold on early adopting MS Vista, which is a requirement for Dx10 stuff.

And the price, well MSFS has been higher than other PC titles before. In my current FS2004 install I've got nearly $150 in pay addons, triple the cost of FS2004 itself.

LStarosta
07-20-2006, 10:24 PM
Originally posted by Bandit.426Cdn:
All i can say is .. wow.

I've got 2004 on my HD, and honestly, it never caught my attention - the scenery in FS2004 has more in common with FS5, than FSX - IMHO. The blockyness of everything was an immersion buzz-kill. I want to know that the sim will closely approximate the regional environments that i am familiar with from 2-4,000 feet up.. FS2004 didn't really come too close for a region with 11 million people in it..

If this geographically accurate scenery is the norm rather than the exception for FSX, i'm in like Flynn.

lol in FS9, there's an extra river that doesn't exist north of my hometown and local airfield that doesn't exist IRL. Now that's a buzzkill . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Treetop64
07-20-2006, 10:38 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bandit.426Cdn:
All i can say is .. wow.

I've got 2004 on my HD, and honestly, it never caught my attention - the scenery in FS2004 has more in common with FS5, than FSX - IMHO. The blockyness of everything was an immersion buzz-kill. I want to know that the sim will closely approximate the regional environments that i am familiar with from 2-4,000 feet up.. FS2004 didn't really come too close for a region with 11 million people in it..

If this geographically accurate scenery is the norm rather than the exception for FSX, i'm in like Flynn.

lol in FS9, there's an extra river that doesn't exist north of my hometown and local airfield that doesn't exist IRL. Now that's a buzzkill . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All I can say is:

> Ultimate Traffic
> Ultimate Terrain USA
> Ultimate Terrain Europe
> Flight1 Ground Environment Pro Edition
> Flight1 Flight Environment
> FSGenesis USA Landclass
> FSGenesis 9m and 38m USA Terrain Mesh
> FSGenesis 38m and 72m Terrain Mesh for the rest of the world.

...and voilla! You have very good looking, and extremely accurate scenery.

Trust me. I've installed all of this and more. This is good stuff. This list COMPLETELY transforms FS9.

Still, I have room for FSX when it arrives!

LStarosta
07-20-2006, 10:42 PM
How much did that set you back?

Treetop64
07-20-2006, 10:49 PM
About $200 over two years, and 27 gigs on the hard drive.

Worth every penny.

I'll post screenshots if folks want to see. I just don't have an account with any photo hosting sites yet.

LStarosta
07-20-2006, 10:50 PM
www.imageshack.us (http://www.imageshack.us)

Free, and no account needed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Screens would be appreciated. I might invest in one or two of these add ons, as I'll probably keep FS9 on my school laptop even when FSX comes out because the laptop isn't exactly a high powered gaming rig. Then again, FSX is supposed to be pretty scalable so we'll see.

Treetop64
07-20-2006, 10:56 PM
Just bookmarked that site. Thanks.

I'll see about posting some shots later. I'll have to create some, too.

Honestly, I think my version of FS9 looks at least as good as FSX will look with it's default scenery. But hey, talk is cheap, and this is pointless without shots...

XPCorba
07-22-2006, 02:13 AM
Fun, i hope to be the same with bob demo, :-)

cool

http://www.projectmagenta.com/video/SharedSkies.wmv

slipBall
07-22-2006, 05:45 AM
I wonder if the moose on the runway, or the bird's in the air, are in the DM, if so, that would be interesting.
I'm happy that it's backward's friendly, really looking forward to the release

screenshots



http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?manufacture...fdd1b3990a55a261559 2 (http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=131&products_id=899&osCsid=85cf8101835cfdd1b3990a55a2615592)

Snow_Wolf_
07-22-2006, 09:10 AM
FS2004 ...hmm i tell you one thing i Flew to all the airports i flew out of before (IRL) and they all look different then the real ones............

Capt.England
07-22-2006, 10:31 AM
The one thing most people forget about this sim (FS9) is that there are thousands of FREE addons that you can down load and make the sim's airports look like the real thing. At the moment I need a new HD due to the amount of FREE stuff that I have downloaded from places like Avsim.

It's just a shame we can't at least make our own scenery for IL2 et al! Just think of the possible missions that we could then have? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

willyvic
07-22-2006, 10:40 AM
Absofrigginlutely Capt.England. The free stuff is simply amazing.

UberDemon
07-22-2006, 10:56 AM
It kills me that with a series that is so great as FS, they cannot add the ability to make IT as a combat flight simulator, instead of the CFS spawns (which I own 1, 2 and 3 of the series, plus some of the try-to-make-it-better-ware)... they are just magnitudes subpar to the FS series...

slipBall
07-22-2006, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by UberDemon:
It kills me that with a series that is so great as FS, they cannot add the ability to make IT as a combat flight simulator, instead of the CFS spawns (which I own 1, 2 and 3 of the series, plus some of the try-to-make-it-better-ware)... they are just magnitudes subpar to the FS series...



this may become possible in the future

http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?manufacture...fdd1b3990a55a261559 2 (http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=131&products_id=899&osCsid=85cf8101835cfdd1b3990a55a2615592)

Q: What are the types of aircraft featured in €œFlight Simulator X€?


A: We will offer a range of aircraft to support a wide variety of flying experiences and many of the aircraft will be tied to specific mission-based experiences. Our basic fleet is merely the starting point because we are going to make it easier to download additional aircraft created by the many accomplished add-on developers in the community

UberDemon
07-22-2006, 11:07 AM
If that is true... man... that would be a dream come true... I read about the gameplay progression aspect... but I saw nothing about damage model related to weapons... For years there have been add-ons for FS with military aircraft... but only NON-combat missions...

LStarosta
07-22-2006, 11:07 AM
It is also important to note that the DELUXE edition is $69.99. The standard edition is $49.99

Worf101
07-22-2006, 11:12 AM
You know that there are some nice mods on here and pretty open minded folks to allow for such drool over what will be a competing product. I salut Oleg and company. I'm not sure I'm openminded to be paying for a board for folks to chat up the competition. NO FLAME no insult just an observation. Hope it's everything you guys want and more.

Da Worfster

heywooood
07-22-2006, 11:25 AM
there were photos posted here from E3 showing Oleg enjoying FSX at their booth...and besides - a little healthy competition is good for the herd.

UberDemon
07-22-2006, 11:26 AM
True. The moderators can make a decision whether they feel this is an appropriate discussion or not. If it is not, they can lock it or erase it.

heywooood
07-22-2006, 11:29 AM
with FSX, BoB, Fighterops, and the GT project...I'm getting two hardrives on the next rig.

Deedsundone
07-22-2006, 12:05 PM
Wonder how the damage model is going to be?
I want to see some visual damage darn it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

xTHRUDx
07-22-2006, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Deedsundone:
Wonder how the damage model is going to be?
I want to see some visual damage darn it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

FSX will model damage, just not visually. don't expect to see bent wings and missing parts.

slappedsilly
07-22-2006, 03:08 PM
You know that there are some nice mods on here and pretty open minded folks to allow for such drool over what will be a competing product. I salut Oleg and company. I'm not sure I'm openminded to be paying for a board for folks to chat up the competition. NO FLAME no insult just an observation. Hope it's everything you guys want and more.

Da Worfster

Maybe if Oleg would give us some REAL updates,(and more than every two months) there would be more talk of his own new sim. I can't help but think that all this top secret stuff is helping his competition.

LStarosta
07-22-2006, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by xTHRUDx:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Deedsundone:
Wonder how the damage model is going to be?
I want to see some visual damage darn it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

FSX will model damage, just not visually. don't expect to see bent wings and missing parts. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just wondering what your source is?

Are you a beta tester?

Badsight-
07-22-2006, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
Trust me. I've installed all of this and more. This is good stuff. This list COMPLETELY transforms FS9! i for one would love to see what your installed game looks like

willyvic
07-22-2006, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Worf101:
You know that there are some nice mods on here and pretty open minded folks to allow for such drool over what will be a competing product. I salut Oleg and company. I'm not sure I'm openminded to be paying for a board for folks to chat up the competition. NO FLAME no insult just an observation. Hope it's everything you guys want and more.

Da Worfster

What competition bro? These are two completely different flight platforms. One is combat, the other general aviation. Now quit trying to stir the pot...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Capt.England
07-23-2006, 06:36 AM
The one thing that I liked about CFS1 was the fact that you could set it up to use FS98 scenery and planes! I can remember once flying over an FS98 london scenery and shooting down B737's for fun.

Oh S**T, the anti-terrorist squad has just turned up outside my house! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Treetop64
07-23-2006, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by Badsight-:
i for one would love to see what your installed game looks like

I'm working on that now. I registered just yesterday to an image hosting site that doesn't charge a fee (ImageShack..us) and I'll have to arrange a series of shots. It might be a few days before I can post them.

wayno7777
07-23-2006, 12:53 PM
Just remember that DX10 will require Vista and new video cards because nothing we have now will run DX10. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gifSo, new rigs for everybody....

willyvic
07-23-2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by wayno7777:
Just remember that DX10 will require Vista and new video cards because nothing we have now will run DX10. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gifSo, new rigs for everybody....

However, FSX will run just fine on DX9. As a matter of fact it is being built on the DX9 with the idea to convert to DX10 at a later date. And if what I have seen is a true representation, I can live with the graphics of FSX on DX9. So no worries.

WV.

JG7_Rall
07-23-2006, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Worf101:
You know that there are some nice mods on here and pretty open minded folks to allow for such drool over what will be a competing product. I salut Oleg and company. I'm not sure I'm openminded to be paying for a board for folks to chat up the competition. NO FLAME no insult just an observation. Hope it's everything you guys want and more.

Da Worfster

If oleg Told You To Jump Off A Bridge, Would You?

AWL_Spinner
07-23-2006, 02:45 PM
Those video links posted on page one are awesome, thanks.

I'll be first in the queue for this.

MS have always produced atrocious flight models but to be fair it's never been about the flight model fidelity, it's always been about the immersion. I don't really care that their aircraft don't spin right when all you're really after is IFR flight using real world locations, frequencies and navaids with real world weather and populated airspace.

With a fully modded FS9 you have a quite incredible virtual aviation world and FSX looks to make that a whole lot better.

This and IL2 are completely different products. I can't see myself ever trusting anyone but Oleg for the historic combat experience but when I want to do a refresher on my VFR navigation or ILS approaches you can't beat the FS line. They really do a great job.

And yeah, bang for buck, us flight simmers have it pretty sweet. Honestly, we spend years and years playing this stuff and for what? The cost of a couple of nights out? Look how much you spend on your next rig and compare that to the software cost!

Worf101
07-23-2006, 02:47 PM
Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Worf101:
You know that there are some nice mods on here and pretty open minded folks to allow for such drool over what will be a competing product. I salut Oleg and company. I'm not sure I'm openminded to be paying for a board for folks to chat up the competition. NO FLAME no insult just an observation. Hope it's everything you guys want and more.

Da Worfster

If oleg Told You To Jump Off A Bridge, Would You? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nope, can't swim.. it was just an OBSERVATION. As I said I hope it's all you folks want it to be and more. Oleg's never communicated with me and I'm not a mod just an observer. Still I knew someone would get pissy about what I said, no matter how innocently I said it.

Da Worfster

Bearcat99
07-23-2006, 03:41 PM
AFAIC after my experience with CFS3 MS would really have to show me something beore I spend any more money on a sim from them. Plus that fact that comercial sims never really appealed to me anyway. If I want to fly around and look at scenery I can do in a P-47. IF and thats a big IF MS was smart though they would indeed forgo CFS4 completely and just do FSX and make is so that is has a damage model. The one thing that will always turn me off somewhat from MS combat sims is the open architecture.... it is a plus in may ways dont get me wrong, like scenery and maps and such... but the FM hqcks just turn me off. Ignore the peanut gallery Worf....

leitmotiv
07-23-2006, 03:46 PM
Plane Design Lancaster with ACTIVE SKY and ULTIMATE TERRAIN: EUROPE, with icing, turbulance, systems malfunctions is a far greater flying or intellectual challenge that bashing things online, Bearcat99. Roll on Maddox BOB which will be for adults.

ploughman
07-23-2006, 03:54 PM
The open source thing is such a bummer isn't it? You end up with tonnes of stuff, some good, some not so, but how do you police its entry onto your hard-drive? I quite like the Oleg idea of third party stuff having to pass his OK but there's only so many hours in the day and he's got other fish to fry. On the other hand maybe community sort of agrees on what's hot and what's not. Get a crappy modelled plane with an over-optimistic FM and it's not going to be on a popular or serious server, or played or downloaded by the comitted home player.

I've very little experience of MS flight sims since I micro-waved goodbye to my CFS3 disks but does the idea of some kind of community led minimum standard exist when it comes to open source stuff?

leitmotiv
07-23-2006, 04:01 PM
I am a free marketer---the FS9, Third Wire, and CFS3 groups all bring the best to the top by natural selection. There is more than one way to skin a cat. With Oleg I know I'll never get a Whitley, so I go elsewhere. I like Oleg's fastidiousness. The market supports both Oleg and the others. Three cheers for Capitalism.

LStarosta
07-23-2006, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
AFAIC after my experience with CFS3 MS would really have to show me something beore I spend any more money on a sim from them. Plus that fact that comercial sims never really appealed to me anyway. If I want to fly around and look at scenery I can do in a P-47. IF and thats a big IF MS was smart though they would indeed forgo CFS4 completely and just do FSX and make is so that is has a damage model. The one thing that will always turn me off somewhat from MS combat sims is the open architecture.... it is a plus in may ways dont get me wrong, like scenery and maps and such... but the FM hqcks just turn me off. Ignore the peanut gallery Worf....

You're not a real pilot, are you?


I'm guessing you aren't because then you'd be able to appreciate the features of MSFS without using CFS3 as a cheap shot. Il-2 comes NOWHERE CLOSE to being a simulation of the real flying experience. And IMO, JustFlight's and Wings of Power's FMs are MUCH more challenging than Maddox Games's FMs while also offering the added realism of clickable cockpits and the ability to use real-life checklists to an almost real life extent, unlike in Il-2.

Il-2 is a nice shoot-em-up arcade game for people who are interested more in ACM rather than actually flying an airplane. It has its place and it is entertaining, and can be quite immersive as well.

When I was a kid, I had a broomstick pony. Was it immersive? Yes. Was it fully-featured and realistic, not quite.

I guess everyone has his/her own game. Some people prefer a simplified game, others prefer the option of doing things by the books. I find it amusing, however, when people complain about 3 mph deviation off some plane's top speed as unrealistic without ever complaining about hitting I to start an engine, or oversimplified engine management and general operating procedures.

willyvic
07-23-2006, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
AFAIC after my experience with CFS3 MS would really have to show me something beore I spend any more money on a sim from them. Plus that fact that comercial sims never really appealed to me anyway. If I want to fly around and look at scenery I can do in a P-47. IF and thats a big IF MS was smart though they would indeed forgo CFS4 completely and just do FSX and make is so that is has a damage model. The one thing that will always turn me off somewhat from MS combat sims is the open architecture.... it is a plus in may ways dont get me wrong, like scenery and maps and such... but the FM hqcks just turn me off. Ignore the peanut gallery Worf....

Do you own FS9 or such bear? I remember you tossing around the idea a while back. Again, it is a completely different animal from IL2 as well as any other "combat flight sim" out there. I understand and agree with your view of the recent CFS series. But the FS series are, imho, the cream of he crop for a commercial airplane game.

And Worf is a big lad now. He knew he would get a response, albeit tongue and cheek from here. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

WV.

slipBall
07-23-2006, 05:00 PM
I like the idea of choping a few bird's


http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/FSX_3.jpg

Treetop64
07-23-2006, 05:02 PM
Screenshots from FS9 as promised:


Aeroworrx Beech B200. Very high fidelity and quality model for FS9.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8919/fs9b200ontherampatlivermorecaklvkgm5.png

Inside the B200 after just taking off from KLVK, viewing the San Ramon valley. San Francisco penninsula and bay in the distance.
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3940/fs9lookingwestatsanramonvalleysanfranciscopenninsu lairb6.png

Viewing a Beech C90 from a Beech A36 Bonanza at KBFI.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3601/fs9beechc90vewiedfromrightseatofbeechbonanzavy2.pn g

Veiwing Lake Tahoe, looking north.
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9785/fs9laketahoelookingnothiiri3.png

Just south of Lake Tahoe, looking east. The Tahoe airport runway is just at the right.
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3408/fs9tahoeairportofftotherightik5.png

Grand Canyon.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/618/fs9grandcanyoniiwo0.png

Grand Canyon again.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5643/fs9grandcanyoniiivg2.png

Grand Canyon thrice.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1998/fs9grandcanyonmm6.png

The gaping maw of Mt. St. Helens.
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/930/fs9gapingmawofsthelenspy6.png

Looking down the maw of Mt. St. Helens, facing north. Mt. Rainier is in the distance.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/5153/fs9downthemawofsthelensrainierinthedistanceab5.png

From atop Mt. Rainier, facing northeast.
http://img437.imageshack.us/img437/4416/fs9atoprainierji0.png

Cerenado Cessna 206. One of my favorite payware aircraft.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7199/fs9cessnastationairontheramptn8.png


I've got tons of screenshots. I'll post more if anyone wants to see them.

LStarosta
07-23-2006, 06:01 PM
Beautiful screens!

Please do post more!

The-Pizza-Man
07-23-2006, 06:21 PM
This is one I took while climbing out of Parafield when I was doing the GAAR.

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1456/climbingoutofparafieldnl8.png

leitmotiv
07-23-2006, 06:27 PM
Well said, Luke. Pounding on the competition is really trite---especially if the competition is world class. I think IL-2 is for the proverbial birds---in the light of what is swiftly approaching both from Maddox and from Gatesville. The people who dislike the challenges of real aircraft are going to really dislike BOB, and they will have IL-2 for online blasting---all power to 'em. I like virtual flying and virtual blasting, and those with discriminating palates like more than one dish.

JG7_Rall
07-23-2006, 06:43 PM
Treetop -- thank you very much for taking the time to post those; I really enjoyed them. More would be greatly appreciated.

Luke -- what to say? Your skill with words, especially when applied to putting n00bs in their place, is a gift few possess. Continue to own the ignorant and naive (insert dots) at will.

leitmotiv -- fastidiousness. excellent word. the rest were nice too.

UberDemon
07-23-2006, 06:52 PM
like i said before,

i want what Treetop showed... plus the ability to use weapons... I think it would be outstanding, plus the radio and ATC aspects for more modern aircraft would be awesome.

yes it is open, but I would imagine the payware addons would be definitely worth it.

Treetop64
07-23-2006, 09:07 PM
Glad you like them.
Here's more:

The Beech B200 again. This plane has the most realistic startup procedure I've tried with any GA machine in FS9, especially for a turboprop. Even hot starts are possible (and damaging!) in this sim. N1 12% minimum before you touch that condition lever...
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/3995/fs9b200ontherampatlivermorecaklvkiiqx1.png

Over Red Bluff, descending to Redding KRDD.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/6602/fs9b200n109gesy8.png

Howard 500 somewhere over New Mexico. Milton Shupe and his cohorts make some of the finest freeware aircraft in FS9.
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4585/fs9howard500inflightdj3.png

One of the terminals at Las Vegas Intl.
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4777/fs9klaslookingeastfromthetowerli5.png

The south terminals at KLAX, veiwed from the east short tower.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5231/fs9klaxsouthterminalsveiwedfromeastshorttowermu5.p ng

The north west leg of Folsom Lake, CA, facing west.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8900/fs9nwlegoflakefolsomlookingwestpa9.png

On the west slope of Mt. St. Helens, facing west.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9659/fs9lookingwestfromthewslopeofmtsthelenspc9.png


Still got tons more...

Bearcat99
07-23-2006, 09:27 PM
First off no I am not a pilot. Secondly if I were interested in a commercial sim I am fully aware that FS is the way to go... that or X Plane... but I am not interested in commercial sims at this point (Not to say it will always be that way..) so it is moot. I am also aware of the differneces in combat sims and commercial sims so dont go there.
CFS3 deserves every shot it gets.... Not one of them... not one .... can be called a cheap shot. Out of the box it was total garbage and if Oleg ever released anything even close to it in cruddiness some people would probably burst a blood vessel in thier brains or have seziures or something.... The 3rd party guys who made it tolerable should have all gotten checks from MS. The killer is that POS is still selling for what..... $29 in Best Buy. BLEECCHHHH.........
The last commercial sim I had was FS8... it was OK... but like I said comercial sims dont really float my boat... also the thing with MS sims that gets me is that up high the scenery is great... but down low I hate that mottled look that MS sims ar known for. I passed on FS9 becuase I was having too much fun with this one... and I figured why spend the money if I wont fly it... heck I have LOMAC and I dont think I even mapped my sticks for it yet... what can I say.. I like Warbird sims....
Clickable cockpits mean squat to me... mousing around a screen to turn things on and off never excited me... Although with TIR and mapping the Lclick to my stick it could get interesting in a commercial sim. Give me a cockpit where I can use every input possible.. mapped to a stick.... now thats what I would like.. and FB lacks in that department as well IMO.

FSX looks promissing.. and it might wind up on my hard drive... all I am saying is that I have to see more.... being able to turn FSX into CFSV just by adding planes would be a big plus in my book, especially considering what I have seen in termsa of FSX scenery... however.. if I have to pay $29 per plane.... fugheddaboudit.... and that Wings of Powert thing looks good.... but even at 5 planes a pop at $27.... to get the varients I have now I would have to spend more than I am willing to.


Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Well said, Luke. Pounding on the competition is really trite---especially if the competition is world class. I think IL-2 is for the proverbial birds---in the light of what is swiftly approaching both from Maddox and from Gatesville. The people who dislike the challenges of real aircraft are going to really dislike BOB, and they will have IL-2 for online blasting---all power to 'em. I like virtual flying and virtual blasting, and those with discriminating palates like more than one dish.

Whose pounding.. well I did kind of slap it around above... but that was after your post... and as far as CFS3 goes was deserved.. all I said was that after the last sim I bought from MS... I would have to see something before I dropped a penny for it... I dont see anything wrong with that and certainly nothing trite about it. I prefer the challenges of real flight in a sim.. since I cant afford real lessons now.. so AFAIC the more realistic the better... so if FSX offers me that and can feed my warbird jones then so be it.. but I am a die hard Maddox sim fan until they prove to me that I shouldnt be... that doesnt mean that I am so shallow or narrowminded that I cant appreciate a good product from another source.... it just meas that as long as my needs are being met.. Ill be content.... and I dont have any extra change to contribute to MS.

Chivas
07-23-2006, 11:31 PM
FSX looks like they have the ground terrain right. The building look like they are on solid ground, not the quagmire of FS9 and CFS. Hopefully the FM in FS9 is better than CFS3, but I guess you don't need a complex FM if your just clicking some switches, climbing to 20 thousand feet for a few hours, then decend, land, and click a few more switches.

The-Pizza-Man
07-24-2006, 12:56 AM
yeah, they upped the resolution for all the terrain textures. The photoreal sceneries should look pretty bloody amazing.

WOLFMondo
07-24-2006, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by Treetop64:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bandit.426Cdn:
All i can say is .. wow.

I've got 2004 on my HD, and honestly, it never caught my attention - the scenery in FS2004 has more in common with FS5, than FSX - IMHO. The blockyness of everything was an immersion buzz-kill. I want to know that the sim will closely approximate the regional environments that i am familiar with from 2-4,000 feet up.. FS2004 didn't really come too close for a region with 11 million people in it..

If this geographically accurate scenery is the norm rather than the exception for FSX, i'm in like Flynn.

lol in FS9, there's an extra river that doesn't exist north of my hometown and local airfield that doesn't exist IRL. Now that's a buzzkill . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All I can say is:

> Ultimate Traffic
> Ultimate Terrain USA
> Ultimate Terrain Europe
> Flight1 Ground Environment Pro Edition
> Flight1 Flight Environment
> FSGenesis USA Landclass
> FSGenesis 9m and 38m USA Terrain Mesh
> FSGenesis 38m and 72m Terrain Mesh for the rest of the world.

...and voilla! You have very good looking, and extremely accurate scenery.

Trust me. I've installed all of this and more. This is good stuff. This list COMPLETELY transforms FS9.

Still, I have room for FSX when it arrives! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All that and you still can't shoot anything? :P

I'm not sold yet.

msalama
07-24-2006, 02:39 AM
Hopefully the FM in FS9 is better than CFS3, but I guess you don't need a complex FM if your just clicking some switches, climbing to 20 thousand feet for a few hours, then decend, land, and click a few more switches.

Some FS2004 FMs are _more_ complex than anything in IL-2. There're some warbirds available f.ex. where the torque is just VICIOUS compared to what we have here!

It seems to be a very common misconception around here that all FS2004 FMs are arcade / p0rk3d, and that's nothing but BS I'm telling you... Why, just ask LStarosta if you don't believe me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

slipBall
07-24-2006, 02:46 AM
Treetop64, great looking screenshots, just wondering what screen capture program, you use

Badsight-
07-24-2006, 03:58 AM
Treetop64 - awesome screenshots , thx for sharing

AWL_Spinner
07-24-2006, 04:09 AM
Whilst I agree with spirit of the post in which this was contained, and with the point about checklists, I still can't let this go:


while also offering the added realism of clickable cockpits

Maybe it's just me, but clickable cockpits do not equate to "realism" in any way I can appreciate. A programable HOTAS that actually gives you a tactile way to interact directly, maybe. Waving a mouse pointer around a 3D cockpit? Never saw the fascination, and I'm glad Oleg never bothered with it.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Incidentally, I fired up FS9 after reading this thread and went for a cruise in the (freely downloadable) Hurricane II-D that was referenced in another thread. If you just enjoy flying, you can't beat it as the city lights come on at sunset (until FS-X).

Grue_
07-24-2006, 07:01 AM
I defy anyone not to enjoy flying the RealAir Spit XIV in FS9! Even without guns http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/flyingscampi/SpitXIV-1.jpg

Bo_Nidle
07-24-2006, 11:03 AM
The screenshots and videos shown are very impressive but.....its a civilian sim and they have never grabbed me. While I acknowledge that some people enjoy them for the flyings sake I get a little bored...sorry but airliners to me are flying buses.

However that said I'd be lying if I didn't say that the pics and video on this thread haven't got me a little curious....but I'd still want to start shootin' 'n bombin' after a few days.

leitmotiv
07-24-2006, 11:38 AM
So right, Grue_. Wings of Power Fw 190 "Long Noses" are also impressive. My current favorite is the Plane Design Lancasters, esp for the Hercules MkII which has never been done (and, maybe, never again!). The Spit XIV is a very stimulating flight---a highly sensitive creature. If BOB is what is promised, it will have more in common with these FS2004 models than with the IL-2 ones because the significantly more demanding FMs will require skills you get in FS2004. I will bet there will be, for the first time, a call to reduce the realism of the sim---or, more roundabout-ly, attacks on the flight model.

The clickable cockpit is a principle, not a absolute, AWL_Spinner. The idea is that everything works---all that detail is not just interesting like a model airplane cockpit---it has a purpose, and, if you want, you can turn the dials, pull the handles, and flick the switches. You always have the option to use buttons or keys. What was the blindfold drill about given to real WWII pilots? You had to know where everything was so you could find it by touch if need be. A clickable cockpit is the closest thing to such a demonstration of knowledge. X-PLANE, for example, is used by real pilots to stay fresh on various systems.

Grue_
07-24-2006, 12:55 PM
If BOB is what is promised, it will have more in common with these FS2004 models than with the IL-2 ones because the significantly more demanding FMs will require skills you get in FS2004. I will bet there will be, for the first time, a call to reduce the realism of the sim---or, more roundabout-ly, attacks on the flight model.

Funnily enough, I actually find the RealAir Spit easier to fly than the IL-2 one as long as you don't firewall the throttle on take off http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The plane just feels more solid and less wobbly than the IL-2 FM.

Here is my carefully researched and purchased add-ons for FS (I did this for an interested friend recently).

Aeroworx King Air B200

This is a great model of a turboprop passenger aircraft.

Purchase:
http://www.aeroworx.com/b200.html

Review:
http://www.simhq.com/_air3/air_112a.html

ATR 72-500:

This is a regional turboprop airliner and is great if you want a really complex aircraft that still has propellers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Purchase:
http://atr.flight1.net/

Reviews:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0105/ATR/ATR_72.htm
http://www.fsnordic.net/article/article_view.php?ID=93

ATR 72-500 FS2 Crew:

Provides you with a crew for the ATR and a set of a real airline€s procedures to follow.

Purchase:
http://www.fs2crew.com/product5.htm

Review:
http://simhq.com/_air6/air_202a.html

Dreamfleet Baron Beechcraft 58:

A popular GA aircraft.

Purchase:
http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/Previews/B58/preview_home.html

Reviews:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/1205/Baron/baron.htm
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/review/dfbaron/dfbaron.htm

Level-D 767

Purchase:
http://www.leveldsim.com/sevensix_home.asp

Review:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0505/lvld_767/lds767.html

FS2 Crew:
http://www.fs2crew.com/product6.htm

RealAir Spitfire XIV:

No guns but great fun and a great virtual cockpit. TrackIR recommended for this aircraft.

Purchase:
http://www.realairsimulations.com

Review:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/1204/raspitfire/raspitfire-new.htm

RealAir Marchetti SF 260:

A single engine general aviation aircraft that is good for aerobatics and also has an excellent virtual cockpit.

Purchase:
http://www.realairsimulations.com/products/sf260/index.php

Review:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/1102/sf260/sf260.html

Reality XP Instruments:

Customise your cockpit with some high quality gauges and instruments.

Purchase:
http://www.reality-xp.com/

Reviews:
http://www.reality-xp.com/company/press/reviews/index.htm

FSUIPC:

Add lots of really useful options to FS9 that allow you to remove undesirable features of the sim and also to configure controllers better.

Purchase:
http://secure.simmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=538

Active Sky v6:

This is an essential add-on that provided real time realistic weather for the simulator which it models with replacement cloud textures and other effects. It also integrates with FSBuild as well.

Purchase:
http://www.hifisim.com

Review:
http://www.fszone.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1740&p...594&st=0&#entry13594 (http://www.fszone.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=1740&pid=13594&st=0&#entry13594)

Ground Environment:

This provides a set of replacement ground textures for the whole globe. They really make a huge difference to the appearance of sim.

Purchase:
http://environments.flight1.net

Review:
http://www.ifcglobalnetwork.com/review/ge/ge1.htm

FS Global 2005 Special Edition:

Replacement terrain mesh for the whole globe. Mountains and hills are more realistic with this add-on.

Purchase:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00092ZKTK/qid.../026-1089465-9857241 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00092ZKTK/qid=1141984183/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-1089465-9857241)

Review:
http://www.fsimcafe.com/Reviews/ShowReview.aspx?ReviewID=23

Traffic 2005

Greatly improves AI traffic in the simulation. Includes real aircraft liveries and introduces new AI aircraft to the sim. Also includes AI Smooth which improves the handling of traffic around busy airports to avoid go arounds etc.

Puchase:
http://www.traffic-2005.net/default.aspx

Review:
http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/review/traf2005/traf2005.htm

Radar Contact:

A much more realistic ATC (air traffic control) for the sim that replaces the built in ATC. Also provides hours of recorded ATC chatter.

Purchase:
http://www.jdtllc.com/products.htm

Review:
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0206/RC4/RC4.htm

FS Build:

Flight planning software. This allows you to fly around the globe using real STARS/SIDS and airways. Replaces the mediocre flight plan creator in the sim. This product also integrates with the ATR 72 and reads en-route weather from ActiveSky.

Purchase:
http://www.fsbuild.com/

Review:
http://www.fsbuild.com/reviews.html

Navigraph:

Provides real charts for airports around the world, includes ILS, VOR, SID, STARS, Parking etc.

Purchase:
http://www.navigraph.com/navigraph/osc/main.asp?display=node&id=20

Review:
http://www.fsnordic.net/article/article_view.php?ID=74

TrackIR

Allows you to look naturally out of virtual cockpits and once you get used to it, you won€t be able to use a flight sim without it.

Purchase:
http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/

CH Products:

The best flight controllers for flight simulators.

Purchase:
http://www.chproducts.com/retail_flash/index.html


And some screenshots:

Some more Spit XIV shots

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/flyingscampi/SpitXIV-Dawn.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/flyingscampi/SpitXIV-Dawn-2.jpg

Glimpe of the Italian Alps near Bergamo from a Baron 58

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/flyingscampi/alps.jpg

On the glideslope for Runway 12 at Bologna in an ATR-72

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/flyingscampi/LIPE.jpg

leitmotiv
07-24-2006, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the recs, Grue_. Agree on Spit XIV---RealAir's Spitfire is sensitive, not twitchy like the Maddox IXs. I like being able to open my hood and look down the side of the nose on takeoff. The flaps' deployment sounds like an old metal screen in front of a tobacconist's shop being pulled down! With all the FS9 fighters, it is great to be able to realistically "check six." Wings of Power's He 219 is an extremely interesting airplane. Even has a completely realistic Revi gunsight which requires your positioning your head properly to use. ACTIVE SKY is fantastic. I recently ordered ULTIMATE TERRAIN EUROPE for the terrain upgrade and to switch off urban lights for wartime night bomber flights! Terrific screenshots!

Treetop64
07-24-2006, 05:37 PM
Originally posted by slipBall:
Treetop64, great looking screenshots, just wondering what screen capture program, you use

Used YAFSScreen. Very simple app.

LStarosta
07-24-2006, 06:22 PM
I love DreamFleet's Piper Archer II.

http://flight1.com/products.asp?product=archer01

Grue_
07-25-2006, 09:11 AM
Anyone seen these screenshots from the new Ground Environment Pro for FS9?

http://environments.flight1.net/gepro/Gallery.htm

http://environments.flight1.net/gepro/images/fs9_ge_pro_10.jpg

Grue_
07-25-2006, 09:27 AM
Leitmotiv, 6DOF is going to be one best features of BoB in my opinion. Whenever I play IL-2 I now try and look around cockpit frames to line up a interception or runway and it doesn't work http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I've already bought the He-219 but haven't tried it out much at the moment. Something to try out tonight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

leitmotiv
07-25-2006, 11:40 AM
Say no more, Grue_---I'm so annoyed by the restricted vis in IL-2 I am sticking to FS9 until BOB. Watch out for that 219, when you throttle back on landing approach, she does, indeed, sink like a stone. I ended up picturesquely scattered all over the woods the other day.