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SeaFireLIV
09-16-2005, 02:34 AM
Why in all my time on the forums did nobody say that it`s like learning to walk all over again?

I practised offline a bit then had to fly with my squad yesterday....

Taxxing. I feel like a new born duckling! waddling left when I want to right, right when I want to go left. Too hard brakes-oops- nose over!

Finally, waddle my way to the line up. Brakes. Power up, roll, plane starts swinging go to counter with footpedals, go wrong way, PANIC - everything goes wrong - crash, bail run away!

The crew graciuosly restart. No mistakes this time... But oh no, fouled up hit nearest object- BOOM!! Sit out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif2 entire missions like a naughty boy...

When I had the twist stick, no probs. But now I just keep mixing my left and right up. Agggghhhh! I `m a noob all over again! It`s like Track IR but for your FEET getting used to this!!

Oh well, just lots of practise offline, methinks... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SeaFireLIV
09-16-2005, 02:34 AM
Why in all my time on the forums did nobody say that it`s like learning to walk all over again?

I practised offline a bit then had to fly with my squad yesterday....

Taxxing. I feel like a new born duckling! waddling left when I want to right, right when I want to go left. Too hard brakes-oops- nose over!

Finally, waddle my way to the line up. Brakes. Power up, roll, plane starts swinging go to counter with footpedals, go wrong way, PANIC - everything goes wrong - crash, bail run away!

The crew graciuosly restart. No mistakes this time... But oh no, fouled up hit nearest object- BOOM!! Sit out http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif2 entire missions like a naughty boy...

When I had the twist stick, no probs. But now I just keep mixing my left and right up. Agggghhhh! I `m a noob all over again! It`s like Track IR but for your FEET getting used to this!!

Oh well, just lots of practise offline, methinks... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

asgeirr73
09-16-2005, 03:22 AM
@SeaFireLIV ohh yes... it`s like learning to walking all over again http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

just think that you are to step/kick in the direction you whant to go

small adjustments and increase if needed when it stedys and don`t parry the swing but hold it stedy til it stops
then add on some presure if needed

at take off i have found that breaking and kicking in full rudder helps getting the tail around realfast (at relativly lowspeed (no the tail is never of the ground)) but only in some ac`s hmm...

(have my set of elite pedles since janes ww2 fighters thinking of getting some simped ones now)

arcadeace
09-16-2005, 03:37 AM
I wonder if the day will come us twisters will be judged Wonder Woman grippers?

SeaFireLIV
09-16-2005, 03:47 AM
Arcadeace, you have my permission to give me a verbal SLAP! If I call anyone Wonder woman for using a twist stick over pedals! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

TooCooL34
09-16-2005, 04:15 AM
You'll run faster than ever once you learn to walk in foot pedals, be sure.

Vacillator
09-16-2005, 04:44 AM
Sounds very familiar. I even set mine up the wrong way round (i.e. press left to go right) to start with and had to re-set when I looked down in the cockpit! Now though it's all natural and I've also got used to not slamming the rudder to the stops! I'm liking my new setup a lot - X52 / CH Pro pedals / TIR2. Great stuff.
Good luck with the learning curve!

rnzoli
09-16-2005, 05:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Why in all my time on the forums did nobody say that it`s like learning to walk all over again? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We were telling everyone that.

I recall posting that the change from twist to pedal hurts a lot as long as you have to do it conciously. It starts to pay off when you already do it unconciously.

Try loosing your ailerons in a high-speed dive, and then bring your bird back for a clean landing on the runway, turning it with rudder only. It was the practice I needed for avoiding any left/right mix-ups later on.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

SeaFireLIV
09-16-2005, 05:31 AM
Thnx for the advice, fellow virtual pilots. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PFS_BlackBird
09-16-2005, 06:26 AM
My question..

Does a desk seat (with wheels) still suit or do you pedal-guys all have seats with 4 legs now? So you don't roll backwards. I have no pedals yet but thinking about it. First a new seat though, but dunno if wheels are a good idea..


BB

Vacillator
09-16-2005, 06:54 AM
BB
I'm using a 5-wheel seat on wooden floorboards not carpet, and I don't roll backwards. I guess the force you put in to the pedals isn't that great (unless you really go for it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif).

rnzoli
09-16-2005, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PFS_BlackBird:
My question..

Does a desk seat (with wheels) still suit or do you pedal-guys all have seats with 4 legs now? So you don't roll backwards. I have no pedals yet but thinking about it. First a new seat though, but dunno if wheels are a good idea..


BB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Valid question. In my case I had to give up my cushioned office seat (with wheels) for an uncomfortable seat with legs (no wheels).

The problem of rolling back manifested only in combat, when trying to dodge those tracers from my 6 with fast rolls and side-slips, kicking full rudders against the movement delimiters.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

arcadeace
09-16-2005, 07:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
Arcadeace, you have my permission to give me a verbal SLAP! If I call anyone Wonder woman for using a twist stick over pedals! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am wondering seriously now was it necessary to include the word HUMOR?

han freak solo
09-16-2005, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PFS_BlackBird:
My question..

Does a desk seat (with wheels) still suit or do you pedal-guys all have seats with 4 legs now? So you don't roll backwards. I have no pedals yet but thinking about it. First a new seat though, but dunno if wheels are a good idea..


BB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The carpet under my chair is just thick enough to stop the roll away. I had to increase the spring pressure for the back support to keep me from reclining with the pedals in use.

My chair doesn't have a recline lock, it's about 80 years old. That technology wasn't in need yet, I guess.

SeaFireLIV
09-16-2005, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Arcadeace:


I am wondering seriously now was it necessary to include the word HUMOR? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only if spelt humour. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Talking about chairs. I changed my comfy office chair, for a very basic, functional wooden one with legs and no wheels. It`s not as comfortable for lounging, but even before rudder pedals I found that the office chair, made me lazy and was actually uncomfortable when trying to sit up for a dogfight. It keeps your back straight.

Maybe that`s why you don`t see comfy fighter pilot seats in r/l.

JuHa-
09-16-2005, 08:37 AM
Sounds so familiar ... have had my pedals for
a month now, first week or two were quite
hard. But now it's coming together quite nicely,
just fly, fly and fly.

Curiosly, I've set my pedals to work the opposite
way (left foot, turn right) as it is more natural
setup for me. Anyone else also doing it the wrong
way?

T_O_A_D
09-16-2005, 09:29 AM
There is a bit of a learning curve, but not bad. If its too touchy adjust your settings for them in your conf.ini file.

Odds are that the pedals are now ID1, and you can adjust only pitch, and roll, now in the game.Thus the need to for manual edit of the conf.ini. Or the simpler way and using the prog mentioned a bit later in this post.

You will also find that if you set them up with a toe brake they will drag. You will need the first 3 #'s to be set to zero.

You might also find this info very helpful aswell.

Conf.ini Tool (http://www.airwarfare.com/Sims/FB/fb_essential_files.htm#087)

And if you need any help with it post http://www.airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=641

We can share our profiles so easily now.

http://home.mchsi.com/~t_o_a_d/T_O_A_D.ini


Here is what mine looks like right now, inside ini file.

[Remarks]
ProfileRemark=Standard Profile For X-45 CH Rudder Micr FFB

[rts_joystick]
aileron=0 59 64 70 73 76 83 87 90 94 100 0
brakes=0 0 0 20 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
elevator=0 78 81 84 86 89 91 93 94 97 100 0
power=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
pitch=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
rudder=0 0 8 19 29 39 51 62 75 86 100 0
trimaileron=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
trimelevator=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
trimrudder=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0


You can save your profile and it saves it in a notepad ini file. Then you can start the Utility and copy it into your config. Just tell the program to save yours first as something.

It comes with some other fellers profiles aswell.


EDIT*********************************The old way below

This is what you have in config file when you have the X-45 and CH Pro USB pedal combination.
At least this is true for T_O_A_D's machine with Win XP Pro.

If yours is different then set one line at a time to all zeros. Save file then start game and find out which axis is now dead. Once you know which line affect what axis your on your way.





[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=0
U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
V=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
1X=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0 -------------------Left Toe Brake ID1 CH Pro USB
1Y=0 0 0 0 13 30 46 59 70 84 100 0 -------------------Right Toe Brake ID1 CH Pro USB
1Z=0 4 8 26 46 86 100 100 100 100 100 0 ----------------Yaw ID1 CH Pro USB
1X1=0 1 3 6 12 21 32 44 61 81 100 0 ---------------Roll ID2 X-45
1Y1=0 1 4 8 15 24 33 44 60 77 100 0 ---------------Pitch ID2 X-45
1RX1=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 --------------Front rotary ID2 X-45
1RZ1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 -----Rudder Rocker ID2 X-45
1U1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 ------Throttle ID2 X-45
1V1=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 ------Thumb Rotary ID2 X-45q
1RX=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RZ=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1U=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0





[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0
FF=2
U=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
V=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1X=0 59 64 70 73 76 83 87 90 94 100 0 -----Micro FFB Alerion
1Y=0 78 81 84 86 89 91 93 94 97 100 0 --------Micro FFB Elevator
1Z=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1X1=0 1 4 9 16 25 25 25 25 25 25 0 --------------CH pedals left Toe brake
1Y1=0 0 0 20 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 --------------CH Pedals Right Toe Brake
1RX1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1RZ1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1U1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1V1=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1RX=0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
1RZ=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 ------------Micro FFB twist rudder
1U=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 ------Micro FFB Throttle
1V=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1RY=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0
1Z1=0 0 8 19 29 39 51 62 75 86 100 0 --------------------CH Pedals Yaw Rudder
1X2=0 0 0 20 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 ------------------X-45 Alerion Roll
1Y2=0 0 0 20 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0 ------------------X-45 Elevator Pitch
1RX2=0 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 0-----------------X-45 Front Rotary
1RZ2=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 -------X-45 Rudder Rocker
1U2=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 -------X-45 Throttle
1V2=0 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 0 --------X-45 Thumb Rotary

SeaFireLIV
09-16-2005, 09:49 AM
Cheers, Toad. i`ll take a look at it.

JG52-6High
09-16-2005, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

Curiosly, I've set my pedals to work the opposite
way (left foot, turn right) as it is more natural
setup for me. Anyone else also doing it the wrong
way? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif, dunno why, it just feels better, but i dread the day i fly a REAL plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

6

TacticalYak3
09-16-2005, 12:17 PM
Well boys we lost yet another one to those there evil rudder pedal thingies. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Tact - "proud user of MS Sidewinder 2" - S!

P.S. I bet in a week he will be back trying to brainwash us into getting them too.

Kuna15
09-16-2005, 12:26 PM
Good thing that you switched to pedals. I have a twisty EVO and it is certainly more unprecise than it is with pedals. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Seafire do you aim better now? I mean, for example, when you line up for a bomber kill (he's flying straight on ROOKIE level, no yanking) can you correct aim better for a 400m shot from dead 6? Does aircraft hold more steady pointed at spot that you want?

JG52Uther
09-16-2005, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52-6High:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

Curiosly, I've set my pedals to work the opposite
way (left foot, turn right) as it is more natural
setup for me. Anyone else also doing it the wrong
way? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif, dunno why, it just feels better, but i dread the day i fly a REAL plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

6 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Now i see how you cut your thumb off http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

rnzoli
09-16-2005, 12:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JuHa-:
Curiosly, I've set my pedals to work the opposite way (left foot, turn right) as it is more natural setup for me. Anyone else also doing it the wrong way? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL, this is because you must be skiing a lot! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I suggest to learn the straight way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif you may never know when your chance to fly an airplane comes to you... and you would hate yourself to blow it!

horseback
09-16-2005, 12:32 PM
First, congratulations.

Second, hang in there; it will get better, and sooner than you think you will be wondering how you managed without them.

Third, about that sliding issue: it often seemed as though my Pro Pedals were all over the floor when my chair wasn't. Like a previous poster, my primary 'flying' location was on a carpeted surface, so removing the plastic mat fixed the chair part. Fixing the pedals in place was a bit of a problem. One thing you should watch for is the possibility of mashing your pedals' USB cable against the wall or whatever you use to anchor them in one spot in front of you. I found a couple of rather long and poorly written hardback sci-fi novels of approximately the same thickness that I placed between the pedals and the wall on either side of the cable.

cheers and good luck

horseback

asgeirr73
09-16-2005, 12:55 PM
have a office wheelchair I push it up to the home made hotas slidingboard have 2 hook on it for the chair but haven`t needed it yet(wooden floor)

about sliding peddels
had some problem whit that and took a woodenboard and saw it to fit between the legs of the computertable and screwd on sidelists and made an adjustable backstop (list whit drilled holes and bolts)

JuHa-
09-16-2005, 02:21 PM
quote:
rnzoli
"LOL, this is because you must be skiing a lot!"

Nope, haven't been skiing for the last .. eh..
12-14 years. And if I'd put the pedals under
my chair so that the feet are a bit behind me,
I'd steer the right way "right foot, right turn".

I don't think I'm gonna fly a real plane, just
for the sake of the instructor!

JarheadEd
09-16-2005, 04:13 PM
CH pro pedals just went under $100 on Amazon. The wife ordered them for my Birthday, but I can't have them till October. Oh the agony!

SeaFireLIV
09-16-2005, 05:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kuna15:

Seafire do you aim better now? I mean, for example, when you line up for a bomber kill (he's flying straight on ROOKIE level, no yanking) can you correct aim better for a 400m shot from dead 6? Does aircraft hold more steady pointed at spot that you want? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting point and yes. Once I`m up in the air things seem to fall into place. Aiming is definitely easier. I just lightly touch the rudder and the nose eases into position for the shot. On the one mission I did get up in a followed a 109 chasing a squadm8 high and sent a bullet in his engine, quitting it. It was so easy I didn`t even bothere to follow the powerless 109 down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jimDG
09-16-2005, 05:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rnzoli:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JuHa-:
Curiosly, I've set my pedals to work the opposite way (left foot, turn right) as it is more natural setup for me. Anyone else also doing it the wrong way? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL, this is because you must be skiing a lot! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I suggest to learn the straight way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif you may never know when your chance to fly an airplane comes to you... and you would hate yourself to blow it! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha - I had the same problem - I didnt realise it was the skiing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
To solve it, and feel natural the "right way", so that I would be able to fly a real plane one day - I decided to imagine that force in one leg "rolls" the aircraft in this direction (and the tail comes up). It works really well this way..