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Airmail109
07-15-2007, 04:13 PM
Was happily mending my bike, stood up from fiddling with my bike stand then noticed what looked like a huge black dog about 10 M away at the bottom a thickly foliated small ravine just outside my house.

Wasnt a dog though, they dont slink and nor do they have cat type ears and huge tails.

I can honestly say I've never been so s*** scared in my life.

Airmail109
07-15-2007, 04:13 PM
Was happily mending my bike, stood up from fiddling with my bike stand then noticed what looked like a huge black dog about 10 M away at the bottom a thickly foliated small ravine just outside my house.

Wasnt a dog though, they dont slink and nor do they have cat type ears and huge tails.

I can honestly say I've never been so s*** scared in my life.

ploughman
07-15-2007, 04:14 PM
Where you live?

Airmail109
07-15-2007, 04:15 PM
UK

ploughman
07-15-2007, 04:21 PM
I was walking the dogs last Boxing day but one and I came across a fresh deer carcass that didn't have an ounce of flesh left on it. Whatever killed it took it as it was drinking at the river and wasn't a bone cruncher as the skeleton was completely intact but it was big enough to take down a deer which means it wasn't one of the UK's extant wild predators.

Hairs on the back of my neck etc.,,,

berg417448
07-15-2007, 04:25 PM
Chupacabra!

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John_Pimlott
07-15-2007, 04:37 PM
There are quite a number of big cats wild in the UK. I would be more scared for any pets you may have than for yourself. They are quite timid and attacks on humans are unheard of....


so far..

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leitmotiv
07-15-2007, 04:37 PM
I've read about the UK panther. Hey, I had a close shave. I was coming back to Santa Barbara from L.A. with my girlfriend in '79. We were on the coastal highway. My bladder was bursting. I asked her to pull over. I had to walk down from the highway into a weedy area about 20 yards away and about six feet below the level of the road. It was early evening, early October, pleasant, salmon and dark blue sky to the west, and night to the east. I was just about to let fly when I looked down and saw a couple feet away a great big California Mountain Lion staring right at me. It looked as surprised as I, but it didn't have it's manhood presented. I was spooked beyond belief. Remembering thousands of Tarzan films, nature docs, and so on, I slowly retreated backward not taking my eyes off the cat (at the same time zipping up). When I breathlessly scrambled into her nibs's BMW and told her about my near-death-or-traumatic-loss-of-kit experience, she blithely said "Big deal, they are all over around here. The drought has driven them out of the mountains." I wondered if she would have been so cool if she had been nose to nose with one with her knickers around her ankles?

Airmail109
07-15-2007, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Pimlott:
There are quite a number of big cats wild in the UK. I would be more scared for any pets you may have than for yourself. They are quite timid and attacks on humans are unheard of....


so far..

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Not if it was a cougar http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I'm not sure that it was however, anyway it certainly doesnt live down there. The ravine is in a housing estate, and a few others reported it.

Its been checked out by the police thankfully. They had a helicopter with IR gear come in as well LMAO

ploughman
07-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Sounds a cool one that one Leit.

Nice kitty.

As far as I know a Panther is a sartorially elegant Cougar. Same cat, better threads.

Airmail109
07-15-2007, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Sounds a cool one that one Leit.

Nice kitty.

As far as I know a Panther is a sartorially elegant Cougar. Same cat, better threads. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can get black versions of Leopards, Jaguars and cougars. Most common are leopards.

Im certain it wasnt a cougar, got a good look at it.

Viper2005_
07-15-2007, 04:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Same cat, better threads. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So presumably they only terrorise people who hang out at CWOS then?

WhtBoy
07-15-2007, 05:05 PM
Mountain lions/Panthers/Cougars will stalk and kill adult humans for food.

--Outlaw.

danjama
07-15-2007, 05:07 PM
Been on the drink again Tom? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I once saw a very scruffy cat about 1.2ft high, it scared the **** out of me!! I wondered the last time he was groomed... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

SeaFireLIV
07-15-2007, 05:38 PM
Well it`s pretty obvious that there`s a big cat or two wondering about out there in the UK. there have been too many reports to debunk it and it has a logical reason.

The nice thing is the cats have been very sensible and kept away from humans as mch as possible. If just one attacks and/or kills a human being it`ll be all over for them.

LStarosta
07-15-2007, 05:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhtBoy:
Mountain lions/Panthers/Cougars will stalk and kill adult humans for food.

--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not if I stalk and kill them for food first.

T_O_A_D
07-15-2007, 05:52 PM
Well if it was a big cat and only 15 foot away.
He was probably eyeing you as a meal, since you were crouched down.

I'm assuming he ran away once you stood up?

They are no real threat to adults, unless in a scaled down posture.

If he was not afrad of you once youstood up. Call the authorities so he can be trapped, relocated or euphanized.

M_Gunz
07-15-2007, 06:20 PM
Meat eaters don't smell like or taste like food to other meat eaters.
If the one is starving though it's just tough luck for you but humans taste BAD to carnivores.

I had a cousin that kept an ocelot up in cold country. It got away one fall and until winter
hit, a month or two, everyone was a bit cautious.

Waldo.Pepper
07-15-2007, 07:16 PM
I must admit I was expecting something like this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Panther/Pantheroutsidemywindow.jpg

WhtBoy
07-15-2007, 07:28 PM
There are multiple accounts of healthy lions attacking and eating adult humans, especially where humans are encroaching on their territory. Some attacks were on lone hikers/bikers but in others there were other people around. The lions are very reluctant to let go of their catch, even when attacked. In one case a lion was stabbed multiple times with a pocket knife and still did not let go. Not even car horns and flashing lights will work. In another attack, a lion only let go when the victims bike was used like a pry bar against the attacker's neck.

--Outlaw.

leitmotiv
07-15-2007, 07:33 PM
There was a nasty incident recently in California involving a couple cyclists and a mountain lion. I would not want to try my luck with a big cat unless I had a M249 SAW. I'm no sportsman.

slo_1_2_3
07-15-2007, 07:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I must admit I was expecting something like this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Panther/Pantheroutsidemywindow.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As was I.
I hope I never run into a mountain lion or a panther or a bobcat, I have bad luck with cats, you should see my scars from the fifteen pound house cat that stalks me in my own home

wolfman2100
07-15-2007, 08:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aimail101:
UK </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Whereabouts?

Copperhead310th
07-15-2007, 08:11 PM
Cougars? Panthers? Inthe UK?
And they ain't in the zoo?
i'm actually shocked that they have any larg cats in in England at all.
i wouldn't have expcted it.
when you said PANTHER my fist thought was you were from florida.

him time to google Wiki for large cat habaitats. lol cuase i really had no idea.

Dagnabit
07-15-2007, 08:30 PM
Mountain lions are making a comeback in Michigan, USA too. There were 21 sightings last year, with sightings in the upper and lower peninsulas. Black bears which are considered by many to be more dangerous than the Grizzly/Brown Bear are also making a major come back in the lower peninsula. If you see a Black bear that dosent run immediately, you are in big trouble. Coyotes are also on the rise here big time.

Dag

Copperhead310th
07-15-2007, 08:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dagnabit:
Mountain lions are making a comeback in Michigan, USA too. There were 21 sightings last year, with sightings in the upper and lower peninsulas. Black bears which are considered by many to be more dangerous than the Grizzly/Brown Bear are also making a major come back in the lower peninsula. If you see a Black bear that dosent run immediately, you are in big trouble. Coyotes are also on the rise here big time.

Dag </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see Coyotes all the time. Alabama actually has a pretty healthy population. Got some bobcats & black bears too. but i've never seen a bear. i've seen Cougars, a black panther, bobcat, but never a bear. yet Alabama fish & game officers have reported seeing them with in 4 mles of my place.

slo_1_2_3
07-15-2007, 09:19 PM
Mountain lions and such are supposed to be around where I live , in the bottom right side of missouri aka the "bootheel" but they almost always are spotted when the get nailed by a truck or something. Otherwise no one realy sees them around here

dugong
07-15-2007, 10:04 PM
Cougars are supposedly pound for pound, the most powerful of the cats. Scary.

As for the beasties running around The Good King's Country, there are many reputable accounts and unexplainable images both still and video. I remember reading one account about a team of Royal Marine snipers being dispatched to bag one of the mystery beasts. On sniper had one in his sights but there was a farmhouse directly behind the creature so he did not take the shot. I think they showed footage from the incident.

I personally think these cats are in cahoots with the Loch Ness monster. And global warming is intensifying their power for global domination!

Grand_Armee
07-15-2007, 11:07 PM
Dugong,
Did you leave your Hurricane under the heat lamp too long?

dugong
07-15-2007, 11:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Grand_Armee:
Dugong,
Did you leave your Hurricane under the heat lamp too long? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes! But leave my heat lamp out of this.

Just kidding about the global warming comment of course, but something is afoot in the hedgerows of England. Whether it be exotic captive cats let loose or whatever, there are big, black cats sneaking around over there.

Friendly_flyer
07-16-2007, 12:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhtBoy:
Mountain lions/Panthers/Cougars will stalk and kill adult humans for food.
--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are some documentaries that always seem to be on re-run in National Geographic Channel about that.

A zoological note: In European countries, the word panther is exclusively used for black leopards (Panthera pardus). Black versions of other big cats are called "black jaguars" and "black pumas" and so on. The American puma is usually referred to as "puma", the term "cougar" is sometimes heard. When Americans talk about lion or mountain lion, some Europeans get very confused.

huggy87
07-16-2007, 12:32 AM
Some more trivia for you. There used to be lions in Europe. As recently as 2000 years ago there were native lions in Greece.

StellarRat
07-16-2007, 01:02 AM
Panthers in Britain??? I'd have to see one to believe it. You sure it wasn't a big house cat? Maybe there was some weird lighting that made it look big.

StellarRat
07-16-2007, 01:06 AM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/ODD_SERBIA_ADOPT...OME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/O/ODD_SERBIA_ADOPTED_PANTHER?SITE=ORSAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

John_Pimlott
07-16-2007, 01:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by huggy87:
Some more trivia for you. There used to be lions in Europe. As recently as 2000 years ago there were native lions in Greece. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I remember it well. Their preferred diet was Christians in those days.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

The UK big cats are thought to have originated from private collectors, who released them in the '70s when the dangerous animals act was introduced. They are quite capable of existing the climate of our green and pleasant. Now the winters are that much milder and food is more available throughout the year, they could really thrive. You did right to report it though!
Best wishes.
John.

x6BL_Brando
07-16-2007, 01:42 AM
My black Panther used to purr....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/brando6BL/Big_cat.jpg

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B

Friendly_flyer
07-16-2007, 03:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Meat eaters don't smell like or taste like food to other meat eaters.
If the one is starving though it's just tough luck for you but humans taste BAD to carnivores. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, that isn't quite true. Big cats (tigers, lions, leopards and relatives) are quite fond of primates in general (including us). Carnivore meat doesn't necessarily taste bad either. I have eaten bout brown bear, lynx and badger, all of which had a nice, rich flavour, not unlike pork. After all, pigs aren't strictly herbivorous either. Old carnivores taste bad, but so too does old herbivores.

The reason carnivores generally don't eat humans is that carnivores are usually a bit brighter than herbivores (they need to be in order to eat them). This means they are bright enough to know that humans are very crafty animals and not worth the trouble of hunting. Despite their strength, carnivores are very careful not to get hurt. A limp carnivore will starve, unlike a limp herbivore that is eating food that doesn't run away. Thus even big cats who potentially would eat us will stick to less dangerous pray under most circumstances.

Another bit of trivia: There used to be lions on America as well. They are sometimes refer to as a separate species (Leo americanus), but most probably it was just an American population of the northern lion. The American lion conspicuously died out about the same time the first people came to America. Today Indian lion is the only population of northern lion still around.

Airmail109
07-16-2007, 03:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Well if it was a big cat and only 15 foot away.
He was probably eyeing you as a meal, since you were crouched down.

I'm assuming he ran away once you stood up?

They are no real threat to adults, unless in a scaled down posture.

If he was not afrad of you once youstood up. Call the authorities so he can be trapped, relocated or euphanized. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nahhh dont think he could have spotted me from the bottom of the ravine thing, he was sort of travelling away from me....but yeah authorities had been contacted by others

SeaFireLIV
07-16-2007, 03:59 AM
Well I hope no one kills the creature/s as they appear to want to avoid Humans. I hate the mentality of just killing something out of fear when the threat assessment is obviously very low.

whiskyman1987
07-16-2007, 04:31 AM
I was reading an article in a paper a few years back about this. The cats were probably released into the wild from old circuses in the 70's. The article was written about Sheffield and an old circus animal keeper who admitted that he had released the animals into the countryside as he couldn't afford the upkeep. Another story i've read was that a cat owner (a normal cat this time) was looking for his moggie and saw a tail protruding from a hedge, thinking it was his own he grabbed it and got a facefull of panther claws before the it took off! I live in Cumbria and have seen what looked like a panther in the fields behind my house.

Airmail109
07-16-2007, 04:53 AM
Ignore the 15 feet, it was closer to 10 meters, so 30 feetish

Felt closer at the time lol

luftluuver
07-16-2007, 05:36 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1787144.stm

More than 430 big cats were reported in 2001.

I remember hearing some stories about 'strange' animals on the Devonshire Moor.

Nice article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_big_cats

drose01
07-16-2007, 06:48 AM
Where I live on the East slopes of the Oregon cascades, packs of coyotes roam by at night, especially in winter.

Cougars are known to hunt the deer that pass through, although they rarely allow themselves to be seen. Their numbers and sightings are increasing so much since hunting was banned 40 years ago that limited hunting will probably be started again.

And a group of people are out here this summer looking for the notorious Sasquatch...

http://dbr1.smugmug.com/photos/60572548-M.jpg

Airmail109
07-16-2007, 07:01 AM
On a side note

Proofs that cats are stupid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN8yGQlLcb8

Poker_4H
07-16-2007, 07:17 AM
When I lived in England in the 80's there were always rumours about black panthers living in Bucks.. Christmas Common area, all the way down to High Wycombe.

MEGILE
07-16-2007, 10:38 AM
I believe you aimail, now take this pill.

joeap
07-16-2007, 12:40 PM
Well I love big cats, would not want to see one close up unless I was in a jeep. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif Still it's pretty clear who the number one predator on the planet is...

StellarRat
07-16-2007, 01:25 PM
OK, nearly 30 years since the "big release" supposedly happened, yet no one has brought a carcass in? Not a single one has shot? Not one has been hit by a car and killed? I don't believe it. Sounds like another Loc Ness monster story to me.

Warrington_Wolf
07-16-2007, 02:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by slo_1_2_3:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I must admit I was expecting something like this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Panther/Pantheroutsidemywindow.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
As was I.
I hope I never run into a mountain lion or a panther or a bobcat, I have bad luck with cats, you should see my scars from the fifteen pound house cat that stalks me in my own home </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Single .50 bullet - 1
Panther - 0
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R_Target
07-16-2007, 02:07 PM
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Airmail109
07-16-2007, 02:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by StellarRat:
OK, nearly 30 years since the "big release" supposedly happened, yet no one has brought a carcass in? Not a single one has shot? Not one has been hit by a car and killed? I don't believe it. Sounds like another Loc Ness monster story to me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check wiki, carcases have been found. Marine snipers have been deployed to shoot them. Kids have been attacked by them. Police have tracked them with IR cameras. Cattle and sheep have been killed in ways that suggest they were big cats. Tree scratching has been found that match those of big cats. Theres been CCTV footage of one. Tracks have been found. A skull has been found. Ones been caught before but theres doubt over whether it was a wild one or a recently escaped cat. Police marksman have been called out in incidents, and have managed to get glimpses of them.

StellarRat
07-16-2007, 04:45 PM
Well we have cougar attacks in the US and they usually don't have much trouble tracking them down and killing them even in our National Forests and bringing the carcasses back.

I don't put much stock in the Wiki when it comes to this kind of stuff.

"The neutrality of this article is disputed."

Straight from the page.

Anyway, it's an interesting mystery.

mortoma
07-16-2007, 05:35 PM
If there are so many big cats sneaking around in Great Britain, why is there no proof?? Only anecdotal stories? I'd think if a leopard or similar animals escaped a zoo or someone's personal menagerie, they'd likely not last long in Britains barbaric climate. Leopards are tropical animals for the most part, except for Snow Leopards. Is drinking of alcoholic beverages a passtime there??

I don't know, it just seems like the equivalent to our Bigfoot. That and Nessie, of course. Every place has its mysterious monster or whatever because people delight in believing in such things. It fulfills deep rooted fantasies and lends some excitement to an otherwise boring world.

faustnik
07-16-2007, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by luftluuver:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1787144.stm

More than 430 big cats were reported in 2001.

I remember hearing some stories about 'strange' animals on the Devonshire Moor.

Nice article, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_big_cats </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmm...what big can't wouldn't want to live here?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Dunkery_Beacon.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

LStarosta
07-16-2007, 06:46 PM
My dad always told me to carry protection.


Preferably in .45 cal or larger.

AVG_WarHawk
07-16-2007, 08:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LStarosta:
My dad always told me to carry protection.

Preferably in .45 cal or larger. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No no no, one size fits all.