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BradC.
01-09-2007, 09:35 PM
Guys... I'd greatly appreciate some help here. I've played IL2 with a Wingman Digital Force stick and it's not precise anymore... Apparently I've read it goes bad after not too long a while. So now I'm returning to the game after a long absence and getting IL2 1946 for me and my dad and we want to go all out.

I have Teamspeak and a headset. So my dad and I will be able to communicate while flying together. But what force joysticks/throttles and other connection toys (peddles, I've heard of hat devices, etc...) are good? I have a few hundred dollars and I want to get the best IL2 1946 experience possible. What do you all use and or recommend?

Thanks.

Waldo.Pepper
01-09-2007, 11:06 PM
TrackIR is a must!

Factor in trackir and whatever joystick you can afford after that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BradC.
01-09-2007, 11:45 PM
Ok wow... I clicked on this and chose Flight: http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/

And was wowed. I'm getting it. THANK YOU! I wonder what the best headset would be? I have a crappy one ear device solely for Voice IP comms.... sound goes thru the desktop speakers which is why I got a one ear device. But all I ever see in the stores are crappy one ear USB ones. Are there better?

Now... to find the best Force stick/throttle/pedals... And what else is there?

Esel1964
01-09-2007, 11:47 PM
Originally posted by BradC.:
Guys... I'd greatly appreciate some help here. I've played IL2 with a Wingman Digital Force stick and it's not precise anymore... Apparently I've read it goes bad after not too long a while. So now I'm returning to the game after a long absence and getting IL2 1946 for me and my dad and we want to go all out.

I have Teamspeak and a headset. So my dad and I will be able to communicate while flying together. But what force joysticks/throttles and other connection toys (peddles, I've heard of hat devices, etc...) are good? I have a few hundred dollars and I want to get the best IL2 1946 experience possible. What do you all use and or recommend?

Thanks.

That's one of those questions that if you ask 20 people,you'll get 18 different answers.
Go with CH Controls,concerning CPU 'brains'-talk to somebody else. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Lyrics from Naked Raygun's "Rat Patrol".
"What we need to take control,we could use the Rat Patrol.What's that coming over the dune?...
Chasing the halftracks across the sandflats,got a nice pine box,for that desert fox,machine guns blaring,and Arabs staring wondering why,the Westerners are there.It's the same old story,and it'll happen again."

Esel1964
01-09-2007, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by BradC.:
Ok wow... I clicked on this and chose Flight: http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/

And was wowed. I'm getting it. THANK YOU! I wonder what the best headset would be? I have a crappy one ear device solely for Voice IP comms.... sound goes thru the desktop speakers which is why I got a one ear device. But all I ever see in the stores are crappy one ear USB ones. Are there better?

Now... to find the best Force stick/throttle/pedals... And what else is there?
Earphones:Altec-Lansing,Sennheiser,AKG,Bose,JBL,Shure.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/DMFesel/200px-Bomber.jpg

Lyrics from Naked Raygun's "Rat Patrol".
"What we need to take control,we could use the Rat Patrol.What's that coming over the dune?...
Chasing the halftracks across the sandflats,got a nice pine box,for that desert fox,machine guns blaring,and Arabs staring wondering why,the Westerners are there.It's the same old story,and it'll happen again."

knightflyte
01-10-2007, 12:06 AM
I've had Saitek, and for the price they are pretty decent. BUT... if you really really want the best at a reasonable price and will last forever get CH Products.

My Saitek 45 wore out after two years, where the Throttle quadrant was spiking, the nubby wore off, and the stick was too stiff for my liking, which made it difficult to line up a shot with any degree of accuracy. So I bought a Saitek Force Feedback EVO Force. Nice....VERY nice for the first six months. It was smooth, but the stick lost it's precision, and again made it frustrating to line up shots no matter what stick properties I managed to import.

Go to a Best Buy and feel the Saitek Sticks themselves. Many like them, and if you visit their website they offer reconditioned for about $69.00 U.S.

I looked for a year before deciding. Flight simming is pretty important to me, so I felt spending a bit extra was worth it.

I looked at the Thrustmaster Cougar HOTAS set up. It seems like a nice stick, but man you need some muscle to move the stick around. (More than I'd like to exert anyway.) The pots reportedly wear quickly, but can be replaced. Some sim enthusiasts even have them modded with higher end pots and other adjustments. For the $500 or more they are nice from what I understand, but I still don't think I'd like the extra force,and then the added expence to mod them.

ENTER CH Products. I've never heard of anyone say they were bad sticks. I HAVE heard of someone not likeing them because of comfort....(like my aversion to the Cougar. It's personal taste.)

So I bought a CH Fighterstick USB, and Throttle Pro USB. (I already had their rudder peddles.)
I REALLY REALLY like this set up. I'm amazed at how much I do like it.

If you are really going to jump in full bore I'd recommend the CH Products.



Anf I CAN'T agree more about the Track IR. It's THE best addition to flight simming since the joystick. I can fly with a single Logitec joystick, but I CAN'T and WON'T fly without Track IR. It adds SO MUCH to the immersion factor that you'll never regret it. You'll be a convert.

Track IR demo videos (http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/02-products/product-videos-all.html)

Good luck, and welcome back BradC.

BradC.
01-10-2007, 12:09 AM
Thanks, guys. Ok, well... I think I just gotta have a FF stick. So if I get a FF stick, I want a new one, which is the best, and then what to do about pedals and a throttle?

Esel1964
01-10-2007, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by BradC.:
Thanks, guys. Ok, well... I think I just gotta have a FF stick. So if I get a FF stick, I want a new one, which is the best, and then what to do about pedals and a throttle?

If you want FF,you may be in for a whole Saitek (http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/pcgc.asp) setup,I can't swear that,there are others who should know.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i314/DMFesel/200px-Bomber.jpg

Lyrics from Naked Raygun's "Rat Patrol".
"What we need to take control,we could use the Rat Patrol.What's that coming over the dune?...
Chasing the halftracks across the sandflats,got a nice pine box,for that desert fox,machine guns blaring,and Arabs staring wondering why,the Westerners are there.It's the same old story,and it'll happen again."

knightflyte
01-10-2007, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by BradC.:
Thanks, guys. Ok, well... I think I just gotta have a FF stick. So if I get a FF stick, I want a new one, which is the best, and then what to do about pedals and a throttle?


If you want the best Force Feedback look on EBAY for a used Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback. Microsoft doesn't make them anymore, but most agree it's the Cadilac of Force Feedback.

Like I said before. I LOVED my Saitek FF Evo Force, untill it started loosening around the center. You may have better luck than I did, but I figured I had enough Saitek...(and even my original Logitec)....that I felt it worth other options.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-10-2007, 11:46 AM
I displaced both of my MSFFB2 sticks a couple years ago and went the rest of the way on CH controllers. They're not FF and while I thought I might be giving up some immersion, I wasn't minutely disappointed.

Fighterstick + Pro Throttle + Pro Pedals + TrackIR = teh good...be sure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

For my headset, I went with an AKG studio headset/mic. It was a bit pricey, but is superior to anything else I'd tried. If you don't want to spend $150+, though, a high-end setup from Altec Lansing or Plantronics does just fine and can be picked up at most Best Buys, CompUSA's, or Circuit Citys for <$40USD


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BrotherVoodoo
01-10-2007, 12:58 PM
S! sir and welcome back to the fold. Here we go. Track-IR (must have right after a joystick) CH pro-throttle, Saitek Pro Pedals, Saitek FFB Stick, and a butt kicker for your chair. If you have some spare $$ when you are done...a 32" LCD TV with a good refresh rate for a monitor http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
I also have a CH fighter stick and even though it is very accurate and comfortable I do miss the extra immersion of the force feedback. I have since switched to a Saitek EVO force that I am happy with.
As well I have the CH pro pedals. They are sweet but I have ordered the new Saitek propedals because of their wider stance, the metal parts and the adjustable tensioning feature. After flying a Cessna 172 with my buddy I was able to feel real rudder pedals and let me tell you that they are stiff. The CH pedals feel way too loose to me after that experience. The extra tension should add some immersion for me. They will be here in about a week so I will post a review of them after some testing.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chivas
01-10-2007, 01:53 PM
Recommend

Track IR ....a must
Throttle....CH as it can be bought seperately...
Cougar throttle is awesome but can't be bought seperately
Rudder Pedals....Saitek Pro Pedals...second choice CH pedals
Joystick....MSFF2...best allround stick...available new and used on ebay
Saitek Aviator...cheap..and with simple mods can be very effective.
CH Fighterstick...very reliable...although gimbals alittle clunky.
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BillyTheKid_22
01-10-2007, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
S! sir and welcome back to the fold. Here we go. Track-IR (must have right after a joystick) CH pro-throttle, Saitek Pro Pedals, Saitek FFB Stick, and a butt kicker for your chair. If you have some spare $$ when you are done...a 32" LCD TV with a good refresh rate for a monitor http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
I also have a CH fighter stick and even though it is very accurate and comfortable I do miss the extra immersion of the force feedback. I have since switched to a Saitek EVO force that I am happy with.
As well I have the CH pro pedals. They are sweet but I have ordered the new Saitek propedals because of their wider stance, the metal parts and the adjustable tensioning feature. After flying a Cessna 172 with my buddy I was able to feel real rudder pedals and let me tell you that they are stiff. The CH pedals feel way too loose to me after that experience. The extra tension should add some immersion for me. They will be here in about a week so I will post a review of them after some testing.

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