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x__CRASH__x
09-15-2005, 02:44 PM
It is oobvious the 190 is slighty under weight. I'd say 120 pounds or so.
How do I figure?
Well, when Oleg designed the sitting stature of the pilot, he used a photo of a special group of 190 pilots. They came from a small bavarian town when their chocolate factory was shut down.

http://www.prestigioushomesflatfeeservices.net/images/ompa%20lumpa%20men.jpg

This small group of not-well-known Jagdflieger only wieghed around 80 pounds, and flew a special HW-190A1/2 (HalbWulfe.. which means half)

The largest drawback to all of this is that these micro Jagdfliegers is that they couldn't see over the dash of the regularly sized FW. Hence the creation of their own Half sized 190.

Oleg confused things a bit, and put the Micro-Fliegers into the regularly sized FW. That is why for three years we have dealt with this:

http://www.avsim.com/pages/0102/il-2/fw190a4cockpit1.jpg

Please Oleg, fire the Oompa Loompas!

x__CRASH__x
09-15-2005, 02:44 PM
It is oobvious the 190 is slighty under weight. I'd say 120 pounds or so.
How do I figure?
Well, when Oleg designed the sitting stature of the pilot, he used a photo of a special group of 190 pilots. They came from a small bavarian town when their chocolate factory was shut down.

http://www.prestigioushomesflatfeeservices.net/images/ompa%20lumpa%20men.jpg

This small group of not-well-known Jagdflieger only wieghed around 80 pounds, and flew a special HW-190A1/2 (HalbWulfe.. which means half)

The largest drawback to all of this is that these micro Jagdfliegers is that they couldn't see over the dash of the regularly sized FW. Hence the creation of their own Half sized 190.

Oleg confused things a bit, and put the Micro-Fliegers into the regularly sized FW. That is why for three years we have dealt with this:

http://www.avsim.com/pages/0102/il-2/fw190a4cockpit1.jpg

Please Oleg, fire the Oompa Loompas!

HayateAce
09-15-2005, 02:48 PM
?

I going to take a guess that this was funny 3 years ago.

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Friendly_flyer
09-15-2005, 02:51 PM
I'm probaly childish enough, I found it funny.

Kuna15
09-15-2005, 02:56 PM
I thought the same thing but then I dismissed it because I've remembered that I've gain some ~15kg in short period, so I figured that's about right.

Now I'm on diet (and effectively losing weight), and I expect that FW-190 in 4.02 is lightened (accordingly).

Airmail109
09-15-2005, 03:13 PM
Awwww didums....poor little Crash deprived of 1 or 2 degrees of viewpoint/potenetial lead.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Chuck_Older
09-15-2005, 03:20 PM
Oompah Loompahs are always funny

On a serious note, i have seen good photos of FW190 cockpits, and the Revi is that size. I have also seen good photos of FW190 pits from too high a perspective, and sure you can see over the nose...and the Revi is filled with engine cowling.

In the book "At the Controls" is a great view of a FW 190 pit. The text reads that the Revi cannot be seen. Untrue, I can clearly see it, and it appears to be the size of Oleg's Revi, and in the same place

I have been convinced beyond all doubt that it isn't the gunsight that it the problem, it is the refraction through the sight that is the issue

LeadSpitter_
09-15-2005, 05:05 PM
Problem is they didnt think things thru when modeling the gunsites, each aircraft should not have to be dead center screen, Each ac should be able to be adjusted by maddox to have guns line up on the ac in both views, and each view should have a alpha cut as the gunsite.

Another thing wrong is many of the revi sizes which are much to big and in the wrong positions on revi.


Maybe for bob they will look into limitations like this.

Abbuzze
09-15-2005, 05:19 PM
Oleg said that the cockpits are 100% correct modelled, and I think he is right.
Is the view through the revi correct? No, cause the armoured frontscreen is not "modelled".

A high density glass has a high refraction, this is the simple problem, the lower bar would disapear (optical).

Thats all.

Messaschnitzel
09-15-2005, 05:55 PM
I had this problem with seeing over the dashboard as well. I was at a loss as to what I could do to rectify this frustrating and ultimately fatal problem when flying...I can't frickin' see over the dadgummed gunsight! Then came the moment of clarity. I was eating at a local Denny's restaurant when I happened to hear a little kid throwing a screaming and crying fit. This immediately caught my attention since I felt exactly as he did when I am flying any of the FW190 models. As soon as the kid's parents put a booster seat on the chair for him to sit upon, the brat quit crying. Eureka! I hurried home and am now flying said FW190 models with three phone books stacked on my chair. I feel much better now and can see well above the gunsight. The only problem is that is is very similar to flying the F4U or Zero with the seat jacked up. Now there are no more sniffles and silently crying myself to sleep. Now all that I have to worry about is how to get the stoopid gunsight fixed on the 109's and 190's!

p1ngu666
09-15-2005, 06:04 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif @ messas

atleast its the best crash fishin thread for along time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

x__CRASH__x
09-15-2005, 07:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
I going to take a guess that this was funny 3 years ago. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What is that, caveman speak?

Hayate, you didn't have a sense of humor back then, either! So I don't think you are qualified to judge.

LeadSpitter_
09-15-2005, 10:37 PM
they maybe modeled correct but when the fisheye lens warps that it does not look correct.

TX-Gunslinger
09-15-2005, 11:57 PM
Thanks Crash http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I laughed my axe off. What Jadgeschwader were the little fellas in? JG 0.25 ?

S~

I needed that...

Stoyanov
09-16-2005, 12:26 AM
The problem is that the Fw view when the plane is on the groung is VERY different from the view while the plane is in the air! Have u ever saw a pic from the cockpit when the wings of the Fw are level with the ground? The position of the pilots head in flight should be different.. that the only problem here,not the cockpit-its correct i belive, just the posiotion of the pilots POV.... AND for 3 YEARS there is no fix for that..

F19_Ob
09-16-2005, 01:51 AM
The fix is ofcourse already present but for the fw190 in this sim I think it is too late.
Look at the shift+F1 view with maximum outzoom in the me262 and U see how the view is supposed to be in the fw190. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I posted the tip with pics in the "ideas for improvement" thread in olegs ready room.
Many planes suffers from not enough outzoom.
It should be the same for all planes but isn't.

x__CRASH__x
09-16-2005, 04:56 PM
I've read that the FW flies in a nose down attitude. That isn't present in this sim. Especially in the view.