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25th_Orwell-84
12-21-2004, 09:09 PM
I've seen a few really cool experimental A/C pics in some Sigs and random postings here. Just wondering if there was a good resource for such rare aircraft.

I just think the technology of the era was amazing.

I saw one sig with a p-51 on top of a bomber type A/C that didn't seem to have a cockpit.. was it a drone to get the p-51 into long range locals?

Anyway, if anyone could point me in the right direction, i'd appreciate it

Oilburner_TAW
12-21-2004, 09:14 PM
Here's my favorite that actually flew (the prototype did anyway)..

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/aircraft/flapjack.htm

MO_JOJO
12-21-2004, 10:05 PM
(MapleTiger will love that Flapjack.) I found some just by searching Yahoo and Google. Here's a sketch of one I found at a Russian site, which was called the KT40. It was a biplane with a T50 tank for a cockpit...I doubt that it ever flew, but like you said, that was a remarkable era. The thing was one of the "outside the box" ideas from Ukranian designer Antonov, whose company is responsible the largest plane in the world, which you've no doubt seen at every air show.

http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/kt.html

Here is a link to some info on Mr. Antonov

www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/antonov.html (http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/antonov.html)

I also have a cartoon depicting one such "aircraft" from that site, (in Russian), but I don't know how to paste it into this reply.

JR_Greenhorn
12-21-2004, 10:58 PM
In my sig lately is the Campini-Caproni CC.2.

It uses a unique jet engine that uses a radial piston engine to power a compressor. Fuel for the jet is injected into a burner downstream of the compressor, and the products are expelled through a nozzle. There is no turbine. This type of jet engine is called a "motorjet" or "afterburning ducted fan." The plane is a project from the the late '30s, before turbojets had proven themselves, and other forms of jet propulsion were still valid ideas.



I once read online somewhere about an early war Russain design that used a convensional piston/prop setup in a twin boom airframe. In each boom, a ramjet engine was installed to provide boost when needed. This design should have been more efficient than the other ramjet augmented prop plane projects the Russians experimented with. However, the project was destroyed by the Germans before a prototype was constructed. I wish I could find more info on this project; hopefully someone in the know will comment here now.



Orwell, what kinds of projects do you find most interesting? I like the early rocket and jet projects, and the prop/jet composite powered planes, as well as the parasite fighter concept. Many of these projects were happening simultaneously in different countries, and I find the ones outside of Germany and the US/UK the most interesting; you just don't hear as much about them.

JR_Greenhorn
12-21-2004, 11:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 25th_Orwell-84:
I saw one sig with a p-51 on top of a bomber type A/C that didn't seem to have a cockpit.. was it a drone to get the p-51 into long range locales? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
It wasn't this picture, was it:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/wayno77/FB%20shots/Aircraft/Mistel109sig.jpg

That's a Mistel set. The top plane is either a Bf 109 (like in the photo) or a FW 190 (like the Mistel we have in game). The bottom plane is a used Ju 88 with the cockpit removed. In its place, a large warhead with a shape charge out front is installed. The set was flown to the target where the fighter would release the Ju 88. Then the pilot in the fighter would remotely fly the Ju 88 bomb into its target as he got away.
We have a Mistel in game since AEP. You should try it.



The best way to start learning about these kinds of projects and experiments is to learn a little bit of generalized information about them first. I find that a good place to do that is here or the History Channel. Most will argue that those aren't the most trustworth sources, but they do provide enough information for one to get interested in something enought to go look it up to learn more.

For example, instead of searching for "German Experimental Planes," you can search for "Mistel." Then, while you're learning about Mistels, you may stumble upon some information regarding other German guided bomb projects.

If there is something specific you are interested in, ask about it here, and someone will tell you enough to get you started looking.

Luftwaffe_109
12-21-2004, 11:24 PM
For all your Mistel needs: http://www.luftwaffepics.com/lmistel1.htm


And for German Aircraft Projects I am sure you are aware of Luft'46, if not then take a look:
http://www.luft46.com/

Good Luck

Syama
12-22-2004, 02:43 AM
****, some of those german plane designs are crazy! They wouldn't look out of place in a sci-fi game http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'd love to fly some of those.

One13
12-22-2004, 03:26 AM
In X-Planes (a flight sim used by some light aircraft designers to test their plans) there was a project to get some of the Luft46 planes flyable. Because of the way X-Planes is made if it flys there it could fly in real life.

WUAF_Badsight
12-22-2004, 03:36 AM
a big PFFFFT to you all

anyone whose anyone knows you need the propeller to be at the rear of the Aircraft

dont make me go there

MaxMhz
12-22-2004, 03:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by One13:
In X-Planes (a flight sim used by some light aircraft designers to test their plans) there was a project to get some of the Luft46 planes flyable. Because of the way X-Planes is made if it flys there it could fly in real life. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Loads of planes in x-plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://www.x-plane.org/